Legal Wrap: State Detains Pregnant Woman, Catholic Bishops Meddle With Health-Care Benefits


Legal Wrap is a weekly round-up of key legal reproductive rights and justice news.

The policing of pregnant women continues, this time in Wisconsin, where state officials have involuntarily detained a pregnant woman who confided to health-care officials during a prenatal care visit that she had a history of drug use and was trying to stay sober for the pregnancy. Without any evidence the woman had or was using drugs during her pregnancy, she was held and ordered into drug treatment two hours away from her family. In response, attorneys from the National Advocates for Pregnant Women, with the help of the Reproductive Justice Clinic at the New York University School of Law, have filed the first-of-its-kind federal lawsuit demanding the woman’s immediate release from custody and declaring the involuntary commitment law used to hold her unconstitutional.

A federal judge will hear arguments on October 21 in the lawsuit challenging two provisions of a new Texas anti-abortion law.

In Iowa, Planned Parenthood has filed a lawsuit challenging state efforts to cut off access to medical abortion for rural Iowans.

Meanwhile, in Nevada the state’s supreme court ruled a child born there can have two legal mothers, further reinforcing same-sex parenting rights.

The Utah Supreme Court heard arguments on the issue of whether a 13-year-old girl and her 12-year-old boyfriend who had “consensual sex” should be considered sex offenders.

The Nebraska Supreme Court issued a controversial ruling last week that threw into doubt whether minors in the state have any right to access abortion. The case, discussed in detail here, shows how little protection, if any, wards of the state have from ideologues in the judiciary. The implications of the case are devastating.

The U.S. Supreme Court’s annual term begins Monday, October 7. A majority of justices continued the Washington, D.C., tradition of attending Red Mass Sunday. The new term might not be a big deal except for the fact the Court has on its docket a major separation of church and state case, among other cases.

In other Supreme Court news, Justice Antonin Scalia said in this fascinating interview that he has several friends he “suspects” are gay, and that he believes in the devil.

Among the high-profile cases before the Supreme Court this term will be a major gun-control case looking at the constitutionality of the Lautenberg Amendment, a federal law that prohibits some domestic violence offenders from owning firearms. So we have that to look forward to.

Elsewhere, the Oklahoma attorney general is arguing that the state can constitutionally ban all medical abortions.

The federal government is still shut down, and as RH Reality Check’s Adele Stan explains here, we largely have the Catholic bishops to thank for that.

They’re not just meddling with the federal government either. Catholic conservatives with no ties to Loyola Marymount are meddling with abortion coverage for university faculty.

And Wendy Davis officially announced her run for governor of Texas, as progressives in the state march on and work to turn Texas blue.

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  • neil allen

    Fewer and fewer people are listening to Catholic bishops, who are the mafia leaders in the world’s largest organized child rape mafia.

    • magnumreload

      Neil you will find more child rapists in the secular public school system. I’m sure you have greater outrage for that fact or are you just a Catholic bigot?

      • neil allen

        That is the standard Catholic lie.

        Catholic child rape was organized crime, and the Catholic church ADMITTED 4,392 admitted, substantiated, accused child sex offending priests in the Catholic church’s own John Jay report of 2004. No institution in US history is even close.

        • cjvg

          Is this world wide or US only?
          The report I read stated a much higher global number of rapist priest.

          • neil allen

            That’s just in the US, and of course they lied. The number for that time period is well over 6,100 now, and there is still a lot of information they refuse to release.

          • HeilMary1

            I know of several cases not reported. My abusive mom even tried to set disfigured me up with a young handsome lonely priest from Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. He made some weird “I get lonely too” grooming comments to me as he drove me around Doylestown, PA to discuss my heretic rebellion against my Catholic extremist mom. When I told my college roommate, she complained of similar creepy grooming by her high school priest adviser. I’ve since learned that at least THREE pedophiles were stationed at OLMC in Doylstown!

          • neil allen

            That’s awful. Sorry to hear it. The true evil is that these pedophile priests talked to each other and shared their secrets about how to get away with it, and all the other priests helped them get away with it.

          • HeilMary1

            That advice-sharing was proven in a diary kept by a pedo priest in Latin America. He targeted the lonely kids of dumped mothers — whose fed-up husbands left them because of the stupid NFP abstinence-only “birth control”!

          • HeilMary1

            Consider all the ignored “saintly” MISSIONARY pedophiles who traded food for sex with illiterate, glue-sniffing street urchins in Latin America and the Philippines!

        • bluedixie

          Not sure about your figures but the fact remains that the catholic church has done more than any other organisation on earth to stamp out child abuse and will continue to do so. On the other hand Obama and his supporters are doing their damndest to turn the USA into the world’s cesspit. Has it ever occurred to you why moslems (I am christian by the way) are so hostile to your country ? It’s because they abhor the sexualised lifestyle you represent – not all of you of course but a significant number.

          • neil allen

            You aren’t sure about the figures because you didn’t seek the truth. No Catholics do.

            The Catholic church did more to stamp it out because they had a much, much, much bigger problem than anyone else. Its like saying Al Queda did more to stamp out flying into buildings since they got caught.

            The difference is that Catholic priests attacked young children, and are much more gutless terrorists.

          • magnumreload

            Neil you are a bigot and with your ” mafia” slur maybe even a racist? From 1950 to 1984 John Jay College of Criminal Justice found only 4,392 priests accused of molestation…you fail to mention 1,881 were found usubstantiated. In 2009 a CBS News investigation armed with Dept. of Education report found 9.6% public school students 422,000 would be victims of sexual abuse by a school official before gaduation. Where’s the real problem Neil? Judging from your posts you know absolutely nothing…nothing about the Catholic Church other than what ignorant haters have taught you.

          • neil allen

            Magnum,

            Those are standard Catholic lies.

            I AM bigoted against an organized child rape crime syndicate, and even more if its a religion.

            The 4,392 was the substantiated, accused number, and you say ONLY even though it was 4% individually counted over 50 years. The Dept Of Educ report you use was the Shakeshaft EXTRAPOLATION where she took 225 cases (181 in New York) and said, we’ll just multiply this number and apply it to the whole US. Worse than that, she considered child on child verbal ABUSE to be identical to priest on boy anal rape.

            Of course, the Catholic church lied, and the number is now over 6,100, and they are still blatantly hiding data.

            I grew up in the Catholic cult, so I know more than you do, and you only know what the pedophiles and pedophile protectors have told you, in the name of their god.

          • magnumreload

            Neil you keep saying the Church lied but offer no proof. You keep acting as an authority on it but indicate you gave up on it…I did not…that leaves me as the authority. Its had problems that were dwarfed when compared to the public school system but unlike the public school system it cleaned house and made restitutions. SNAP running out of lawsuits is proof of that. Your selective outrage is proof there is one last acceptable form of intolerant prejudice in America…Catholic bashing.

          • neil allen

            I’m saying YOU lied, and so did your church. Worse yet, your church is still hiding the truth about child rape, as it has forever, because every single pedophile priest that raped a child told another priest about it in confession, and that priest let him go so that he could go rape a gain.

            When did I give up?

            YOU lie when you say it was dwarfed by the public school system. PROVE that the public school system had more than the 4,392 substantiated, accused child sex offenders that the Catholic church hid. The Catholic church uses estimates and guesses by Catholic lovers, but has no evidence of anywhere NEAR that number, and there are 8 times as many teachers as priests.
            Catholic bashing is organized child rape bashing, and everyone, especially real Christians, should be doing it.

          • BJ Survivor

            Amen!

            Catholic bashing is organized child rape bashing, and everyone, especially real Christians, should be doing it.

            QFT

          • colleen2

            Your selective outrage is proof there is one last acceptable form of intolerant prejudice in America…Catholic bashing.

            oh poor poor you. why are the American Taliban such whiny bitches?

          • BJ Survivor

            It’s always hilarious that when the catholic pedophile-enablers don’t have an argument, they whine that they’re being persecuted and we’re all just anti-Catholic bigots. If pointing out the hypocrisy and crimes of the Catholic Church, that continues to this day, is “bashing,” then those sorry cupcakes will just have to get used to it.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m sick of being BASHED BY Catholic fascists.

          • BJ Survivor

            There has NEVER been a concerted effort by the administrators of any public school system (at least in the U.S.) to cover-up the crimes of and then enable pedophiles by shuffling them to other schools so that they can rape fresh victims. So unlike your vile church.

          • goatini

            I’m Cathoilic, and Neil is correct.

          • HeilMary1

            SNAP is helping victims organize in OTHER nations, like Ireland, Australia, the Netherlands, the Philippines and Latin America. And non-pedophile sex crime victims are surfacing here, like adult mistresses forced to get abortions by lover priests.

          • Arekushieru

            Wrong. I grew up Catholic, as well. But the fact that YOU remained only proves how much you lack in compassion for its VICTIMS.

            Neil has offered TONS of proof, the only thing missing is a bow on it, like your whiny ass wants. Besides that, where is the proof for YOUR claims, specifically that SNAP ran out of lawsuits? Neil gives us the how and why, you do not. So, self-projection much?

            Finally, being tolerant of those who are intolerant is intolerant prejudice. Since the Catholic Church is INTOLERANT, you are… once again… AS usual… W.R.O.N.G! Nor is the Catholic Church an oppressed minority or underprivileged in ANY way, since its views are supported by the MAINSTREAM. So, no, the Catholic Church can’t be ‘bashed’, ignorant ASS.

          • HeilMary1

            The vastly under estimating John Jay report ignored MASSIVE GLOBAL pedophile and playboy priests’ sex sprees in third world nations where victims don’t have the infrastructure to complain. Historians now know that priests have been raping, aborting and infanticiding millions of victims for their ENTIRE history. Illiteracy and lack of modern communication kept this sexual crime syndicate’s secrets for centuries, but the dams of silence have been breaking around the globe. May you drown in the tsunami of our rage.

          • bluedixie

            Spot on pal.

          • HeilMary1

            Says the sock puppet to himself!

          • fiona64

            Figures you’re in agreement with one of the nuttiest conspiracy theorists I’ve ever run across …

          • expect_resistance

            The Catholic church had to do something about it because it’s so rampant.

            Your statement is very naive. You’re implying that ALL Muslims hate the U.S.? What a silly and misleading statement. Muslims don’t hate the U.S. I have Muslim friends and family, living in the U.S. and abroad, that don’t hate the U.S.

          • bluedixie

            So if it had’nt been rampant it would not have been obliged to do anything about it ? Damned if they do, damned if they don’t !

            I am well aware that not all moslems hate the lifestyle of the western world. Indeed some of them actually embrace it wholeheartedly but in general they and their leaders actively preach against it.

          • HeilMary1

            Muslims mostly only hate SOME Western politicians and billionaires who made more billions by BOMBING AND LOOTING their families and neighbors. If the Bushes and Cheneys planted weapons on your family farm as an excuse to bomb YOU in order to avoid PAYING YOU for YOUR OIL under YOUR farm, wouldn’t YOU be pissed too?!

          • HeilMary1

            Misogynist playboy Muslims practice polygamy because they are icked out by childbirth disfigurements. But at least they allow contraception and abortion to save women’s lives. Your Nazi cult imposes death by childbirth on all women because motherless kids are easy targets for pedophile priests. No religion or government beats the RCC in genocidal sexual hypocrisy and pedophilia. Historians are discovering that this has ALWAYS been a corporate scam of the RCC and its ban on maternal life-saving family planning is crucial to feeding the overpopulation poverty-pedophile priest complex.

          • Arekushieru

            Although, disagree that Muslims allow contraception and abortion.

          • HeilMary1

            Actually, many DO allow family planning. Thom Hartmann’s “Big Picture” show just reported that fundamentalist Iran just beat China in rapid population reduction with its voluntary family planning services. The UN reported in 2009 that Iran topped all other nations in dropping fertility rates. Sadly, newer leaders in Iran are now foolishly reversing that progress for political reasons.

          • Arekushieru

            This is similar to Afghanistan and Egypt, however. Not with the same issues, but the way they managed them is the same, nonetheless. A more moderate yet unstable form of government is implemented, then a hard turn to the right returns the countries to their status quos.

          • HeilMary1

            Sort of like the toxic regression forced on Americans by the GOP!

          • Arekushieru

            YUP. The GOP implements policies that hurt other people, then point fingers at them, for any number of varied reasons, for the way THEY forced THEM to handle it. It’s sickening.

          • colleen2

            It depends on the country. Iran, for instance, has a far more enlightened distribution system for effective contraception than we have in the US, I believe one would be hard pressed to find even a fundamentalist Muslim babbling on like an idiot about about the ‘person-hood’ of zygotes.

          • Arekushieru

            But I think my point has been made with the last statement Mary, herself, made. A more moderate yet unstable form of government. Although, I do believe the reasons they ARE unstable is because of Western policies, that then help to overturn their governments, so the West can point their fingers at Eastern countries and claim that this is the reason we should all fear them because Muslims…. Ugh. But, in essence, I think this is a more modern practice that comes as a result of the Western squeeze that is put on the more RADICAL elements of Muslims as a result.

        • expect_resistance

          That’s frighting. Thanks for the heads up on the report. I have it bookmarked now. I had no idea about the extent of the abuse. What creeps me out about it is the calculated aspect of “grooming” the victims. A true sign of an abuser.

          • neil allen

            Read the Philadelphia Grand Jury report. These pedophiles all confessed to other priests, then shared secrets about how to rape children, how to keep them quiet, how to get away with it, et cetera.

          • HeilMary1

            And it was crucial to their abstinence by proxy scam to kick safe sex out of all marriages in order to estrange couples and force parental neglect on their kids who were then groomed by the very pedophile priests who busted their parents’ marriages!

          • neil allen

            And if you read the report, children whose parents DIED were also a common target for their organized child rape.

          • HeilMary1

            Also from other sources, RCC “sealed” adoption “charities” hide a large number of priest-fathered “orphans”. One such “orphan” tracked down her deadbeat daddy priest in Florida who was livid that she caught up with him. My youngest brother looks like a tall version of Gov. Bobby Jindal, and it recently occurred to me where he got his Indian looks in our Irish German family: One of Mom’s favorite priests was a Jindal look-alike from India! I’ll bet a zillion oddball-looking children were fathered by priests. My Mom’s other favorite priest banged all the Orioles’ wives when their husbands played in other cities!

          • HeilMary1

            And the John Jay report vastly UNDER reports the true global scope.

      • expect_resistance

        Any proof to back that up? What about the pedophile priests in Catholic schools?

      • colleen2

        that is not true. It’s a lie that conservative Catholics started telling over a decade ago. Naturally they never offer proof. The fact of the matter is that the public schools do not protect and enable adults who rape children. The Catholic church has done so as a matter of institutional policy for hundreds of years….some scholars say that the Church has coddled pedophiles in it’s Priesthood since it’s inception.
        Since conservative Catholics started smearing the good and decent men and women who work in and administer our public schools there have been almost DAILY reports of new cases and new rapes. We have massive amounts of evidence of the Church’s strategy of blaming the victims and protecting child rapists. You have NO evidence of widespread institutionally approved and enabled abuse in ANY public school system.

      • HeilMary1

        Where is your outrage over pedophilia- and abortion-causing VIAGRA?! Most Catholic businesses and charities cover Viagra for priests and adulterous men whose mistresses then need ABORTIONS!

  • bluedixie

    Abortion is murder. I thought Britain was becoming a cesspit but it seems the USA is already in that state. God help you all.

    • neil allen

      Actually, its not. Get a dictionary.

    • Jennifer Starr

      No, sorry, it’s not Murder.

      • bluedixie

        OK infanticide, killing an unborn child…………..it does’nt matter how you describe it, someone dies prematurely.

        • Jennifer Starr

          No, infanticide is the killing of a born child.

        • neil allen

          OK, you lied, but that’s ok, you’re Catholic. Your best leaders lied about their organized child rape. Its ok for you to lie about the meanings of words.

          • bluedixie

            Stick to the facts . Abortion involves the wilful termination of an unborn life. I realise pro abortion fans hate to admit this but it happens to be true. Get over it………….if your conscience allows you to do so.

          • neil allen

            Stop being a hypocrite and a liar. YOU didn’t stick to the facts.

            - you lied when you said “abortion is murder”
            - you lied when you said it was “infanticide”, which is the murder of an infant
            - you lied when you said abortion kills “someone”, but the fetus isn’t “someone” until it is born

            You’re a Catholic, so you look for a way to lie or exaggerate the truth to support your church. I’m not pro-abortion, but you should cut down on lying for your religion. And you should also cut down on your organized child rape.
            Stop lying …………. if your religion allows you to do so.

          • bluedixie

            If truth hit you over the head with a frying pan you would be totally unaware of it. Abortion kills. It’s murder of the unborn and if you are pro life – as you seemingly claim – it’s high time you did something about it. Or is that too difficult to handle ?

          • neil allen

            Your Catholic church is the world’s largest organized child rape crime syndicate, and it’s high time you did something about it. Or is that too difficult to handle ?

          • jejune

            Can’t murder a clump of cells you stupid fuck.

          • goatini

            Safe, LEGAL pregnancy termination is, may I remind you again, LEGAL. It is neither “murder” nor “infanticide”, and it only makes you look even more stupid and vicious to spew such vile misogynist bile.

          • cjvg

            Abortion might kill, but all it kills is a potential!
            No crime there, when I chose not to go to Hollywood I killed my potential movie career, oh well.

            The only human live involved in an abortion is the woman!
            So lets respect the live already there before we insist potential live must have more respect then existing lives.
            I know logic and reason is anathema to those like you, fortunately you have no say over the rest of us

          • bluedixie

            Not a potential but a human being who, given the chance, could grow up to be a brain surgeon who saves your life; the latter bit is the “potential” as you call it but blindingly obvious to any doctor and most sentient adults is the fact that abortion destroys a tiny life.

          • HeilMary1

            You forget most forced-birth kids are petty street criminals who rob and kill tourists for street drugs to dull their hunger pains, and trade STD sex with pedophiles like Neil Bush who then infected his first wife, Sharon Bush, and admitted this on a divorce video tape that Brian Ross aired on 20/20! Most forced-birth kids make our lives hell.

          • neil allen

            or could grow up to be yet another Catholic pedophile priest, anally raping young boys under the name of “Christ on earth”, and destroying their lives.

          • cjvg

            Again not a live only a potential live, if you are so will fully blind you ignore reality, science and fact to continue to assert that a blastocyst is a living human same as a woman then there is absolutely no reason to talk to you at all.
            I do not hold conversations with rocks for the exact same reason.

            Doctors know damn well that fertilized eggs are NOT human beings on the same level as a baby! That is exactly the reason they use specialized terms to describe these fertilized eggs.
            Why do you think medical personnel calls it a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus and eventually after birth it is called a baby!

          • fiona64

            Potential does not equate to reality.

            For example, the embryonic you might likewise have grown up to be a brain surgeon. Instead, it grew up to be a misognystic, voyeuristic prat.

          • Jen

            “Not a potential but a human being who, given the chance, could grow up to be a brain surgeon who saves your life”

            Or, as in my case, a stillborn anencephalic daughter who put her mother in an ICU for two weeks after her birth while my doctors tried to stop the internal bleeding. THIS is what happens when you deny women the right to make their OWN medical decisions based on their OWN circumstances. The only “potential” in my case was the potential for TWO lives to be lost and four other lives (those of my husband and our three small children) to be changed irrevocably.

            And there’s three more vulnerable kids for the priests to play with. :D

          • HeilMary1

            Pedophile priests sure love targeting motherless kids!

          • Arekushieru

            Or the next Hitler. See how asinine your comments are, NOW?

            Destroys? I do not think that word means what you think it means….

          • HeilMary1

            You pretend childbirth never grossly maims and murders women and that priests never molest their unwanted forced-birth ORPHANS!

          • fiona64

            If truth hit you over the head with a frying pan you would be totally unaware of it.

            One can only presume you were looking in the mirror when you wrote that post. Pregnancy is NOT a state of wellness. My miserable, godawful pregnancy (my son is 27 years old now) made me even more staunchly pro-choice. I had complications that I am fortunate did not KILL me. Even relatively uncomplicated pregnancies cause permanent damage to a woman’s body.

            It’s awfully easy to be an anti-choice male, isn’t it? After all, you can sit there and wave your hand, demanding that women risk life and limb to gestate unwanted pregnancies without ever having to assume that same risk yourself.

            Arsehole.

          • Arekushieru

            He didn’t say he was Pro-Life…. Just that he wasn’t Pro-Abortion, for that matter NO one on here is Pro-Abortion, that would be just as anti-choice as YOU. You can’t be Pro-Life if you’re anti-choice. In fact, the only ones who CAN make that claim are PRO-choice.

          • HeilMary1

            Admit it: fetuses grossly maim and murder mothers and your Nazi pedophile cult opposes all contraception and sterilization to avoid such maternal life-threatening calamities because its heretic pedophile priests demand the pagan human sacrifice of all women to restock its molestable altar boy and girl supply! Get over it!

          • Arekushieru

            Nope, stick to the facts, like you claim (erroneously) that no one else is doing. Abortion involves the willful termination of a PREGNANCY. Which is (and repeat after me): the implantation of the fetal PLACENTA into the uterus. If that WEREN’T the case, then some bears that fall into an unconscious state during winter, would STILL be pregnant, even though the fetal placenta is DETACHED, just because the ursine fetus is still there. They’re not. DERP. And, simply because it may RESULT in death, is NOT a reason to label abortion as killing thereby blaming women for their biology. And you people wonder why we call you misogynists?

        • jejune

          Abortion by definition cannot be infanticide – if it was, you could remove the ‘unborn baby’ and put it up for adoption – just like you could with a real baby.

          Dumbfuck.

          • bluedixie

            For your edification just because abortion is legal doesn’t make it right. Slavery was once legal. I rest my case.

          • HeilMary1

            Forced organ donation is also slavery, and hijacking women’s wombs for deadly breeding for you pedophiles is medical slavery. Suppose Goddess could make fertilized eggs reverse and travel up YOUR penis? Could you relieve yourself, walk around, sleep and keep a job with a toxic watermelon-sized fetus blowing up your penis, triggering autoimmune diseases, cancer and sepsis? Imagine that 6-10 pound fetus violently jerking itself out of your penis for hours, even days without painkillers! Imagine surgeons vertically slitting your penis to remove it in one piece because it has “more of a right to life and health” than you do because you CHOSE to have sex! I rest my case, MOTHER KILLER!

          • bluedixie

            When are you planning to visit a psychiatrist – shrink in your parlance I believe – because you surely need to do so……..sooner the better.

          • HeilMary1

            You need the head-shrinking for DEFENDING pedophile mother killers, bigot troll.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, I think it’s you who needs the shrink. Like most anti-choice twits, you’re clearly not playing with a full deck.

          • fiona64

            I understand the NHS will help nutters like you free of charge …

          • Arekushieru

            Seriously, she gives you all the evidence you need as to why you’re one sick, sorry, bastard, and you STILL claim that it’s HER that needs to see a psychiatrist? ANYONE who wants to force a woman to face the deadly complications that Mary listed for you, all the WHILE you know YOU will never have to face such complications IS nothing less than THAT, after all.

          • jejune

            Abortion IS slavery, you misogynist twit.

          • HeilMary1

            I think you mean forced-birthing is slavery?

          • jejune

            I edited it.

            Will teach me to type responses when I am half asleep.

          • HeilMary1

            LOL! I do the same thing!

          • jejune

            And using big werdz doesn’t make you sound any more intelligent.

            You’re a still a dumb cow.

          • neil allen

            Getting away with organized child rape because it’s legal because the statute of limitations ran out doesn’t make it right, but the Catholic church of organized child rape teaches its followers that it is right.

          • cjvg

            So why do you want to go back to that for women and female children, or do you not consider women human beings?

          • Arekushieru

            And slavery should REMAIN illegal for the exact same reasons that abortion SHOULD be legal. I rest my case.

            It’s funny that you complain about others not responding to your ‘point’, when they actually DO, then ACTUALLY not respond to another person’s point. You antis are hypocrites aren’t you?

            Also, learn 2 history. Enslaved black women WERE FORCED TO GESTATE.

        • HeilMary1

          Where is your campaign to outlaw fetal-flushing caffeine and alcohol beverages for all sexually-active fertile women? You can start by knocking coffee and tea cups out of your co-workers’ “slutty” hands!

        • fiona64

          The legal definition of murder is: the unlawful taking of a person’s life with malice aforethought.

          A fetus is not a person. An abortion is not unlawful.

          You can play your dumbassed word games all you want; suffice it to say, you’re not impressing the intelligent folk.

        • Arekushieru

          Not killing, either. Seriously, if it was killing, the umbilical cord would be a permanent part of our bodies, even when we’re BORN, not just before birth. Oi.

    • HeilMary1

      If you believed your own crap, you’d be staging and attending “baby” tampon funerals every day. And where is your outrage over adultery, pedophilia, and abortion-causing VIAGRA?! How about YOU stopping YOUR BUDDY sex offenders from continually unzipping?!

  • expect_resistance

    Jessica – Thanks for the comprehensive legal wrap-up. Great to hear about the Nevada’s ruling that reinforces same-sex parenting rights.

  • bluedixie

    I really do not have the time to reply to all the individual comments or insults which have been posted on a blog laughably entitled “Reality Check”. If only ! So to explain myself I can tell you that I’m a happily married , catholic grandfather and if you have’nt already guessed, I am firmly opposed to the culture of death represented by abortion and artificial contraception. Since I am married you will also deduce that I am not a misogynist.

    With few exceptions your comments have had little to do with the nitty gritty of the subject matter. Rather they have mainly consisted of foul-mouthed, off topic rants which serve only to highlight your apparent hatred of life itself – not to mention me of whom you know nothing. Do you treat all strangers in the same way ? In short you do nothing to promote your cause, which is a good thing because it’s evil. To those who claim that a foetus is a mere bunch of cells I would say “so are we all”. But the important fact is that human features are recognisable in a foetus at around 8 weeks gestation, heartbeat earlier. I challenge you to consult the medical evidence.

    I can only assume that none of you has any idea of what an abortion involves. For reasons best known to themselves the American media moguls – with 1 or 2 notable exceptions – failed to report on the Kermit Gosnell case until the final stage of the trial. If you can stand up and say you support what this man did, I’ll be more than surprised.

    You may think you are in control of the situation but the tide is gradually turning in favour of the pro life advocates. In a recent survey by the Pew Research Foundation only 15% of those in favour of abortion actually considered it to be morally acceptable. You can check out the rest of the survey for yourselves if you don’t believe me. It’s also a fact that abortion centres are closing down all over the USA, because people are waking up to the fact that abortion is the present day holocaust of our generation. Thank God for that. I shall pray for you even though you have made it very difficult for me to contemplate doing so. I bear none of you any ill will. Please believe that.

    • jejune

      So to explain myself I can tell you that I’m a happily married ,
      catholic grandfather and if you have’nt already guessed, I am firmly
      opposed to the culture of death represented by abortion and artificial
      contraception. Since I am married you will also deduce that I am not a
      misogynist.

      No, dumbass. A misogynist can be married. I bet you think you own your wife, you sick fuck.

    • jejune

      I can only assume that none of you has any idea of what an abortion involves

      This is what a typical abortion looks like you ignorant scumsucker:

      http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls6w7phG8f1qi68z9.jpg

      I insult you, because it’s fun, and I do not take the shit that spews out of your woman hating mouth seriously.

      Try to make some better arguments instead of coming in here and moralizing, and trying to lecture us on what ‘abortion really involves’

      The posters here are well versed in fetal development, and in everything there is to know about abortion. Trying to lecture us on subjects that we are already experts in just makes you look like the dumbfuck that you are.

      • HeilMary1

        I challenge the fetal idolater trolls here to give last rites and burials to the above MEDICAL WASTE.

    • Jennifer Starr

      First thing, the fact that you’re married to a woman does not mean that you’re not a misogynist. The fact that you think that women should be the equivalent of breeding livestock, without the right to end a pregnancy via abortion and unable to avoid pregnancy via contraception, is what makes you a misogynist.

      And really it’s laughable how you come in here, spouting invective at all and sundry and then have the nerve to try and play the victim and whine about how ‘mean everyone was to you.’ Pretty pathetic, really. If I hadn’t been dealing with your hateful posts for the last two days, I might feel sorry for you. Fortunately, I know better.

      And yes, many of these women here know exactly what abortion involves. Many of them have had abortions. But regardless of personal circumstance, all of us here stand for the right of a woman to choose what she wants to do with her pregnancy, whether that is having an abortion or giving birth and raising the child or giving it up for adoption. That is what pro-choice means.

    • HeilMary1

      Misogynist mother murderer, having your own personal brood mare doesn’t disprove your misogyny at all. You completely ignore the commonplace horrific and deadly complications of childbirth that whiny you would never tolerate for yourself. And since you don’t bother to retrieve trashed and flushed “baby” tampons for RCC last rites and proper burials, you clearly don’t believe miscarried and aborted zygotes and fetuses are real human beings either.

    • HeilMary1

      And Mr. “Dixie”, you’re probably a sock puppet of Mean Gene Church (of Satan) the wife killer in Alabama!

    • fiona64

      Of course you are. ::pats head::

      Being married (assuming that you are not lying) does not preclude you being a misogynist.

      Just so you know.

      BTW, the Gosnell story was broken first on *this very pro-choice website.*

      You might want to check some facts before you go flapping your gob.

    • Arekushieru

      I am opposed to the culture of death represented by the forced practice of the number 2 leading cause of death for women, worldwide: PREGNANCY. See, it is YOU who are Pro-’Death’, not us.

      Sorry, but being tolerant of YOUR intolerance (for WOMEN as HUMAN BEINGS), does nothing to promote our cause.

      Perhaps you should watch the video by Steph Guthrie if you don’t believe me.

      Btw, the only one who is evil is the one who wants to return WOMEN back to the time of slavery. And, uh, that would be YOU.

      Yes, we are all a bunch of cells…. How is that RELEVANT, again?

      Who cares what a fetus looks like? As WE have been trying to tell you OVER AND OVER AND OVER; it’s fucking irrelevant. A fetus does not deserve MORE rights than anyone else just because it looks human. If that WERE true, wouldn’t you be trying to grant WOMEN more rights? After all, they look more human than a fetus. DERP.

      Yes, but the reason they failed to report was because of people like YOU. The media moguls are, in the MAIN, conservative icons with the same views as YOU, after all. It’s the Pro-CHOICE side that tried to get this aired, but we were ignored by people like YOU. OOOOOOPPSS.

      Kermit Gosnell is just as anti-choice as you. Maybe you would support him, but why would WE?

      Polls do not determine rights. Basically, you’re saying that slavers should have been polled to see if they wanted to end slavery. Now that is one SICK idea.

      And these centers are being closed down then reopened. So much for people realizing that it is the ‘holocaust’ of our generation. It’s only because corporate lobbyists who benefit from government support, all the while denying impoverished families SIMILAR support, have enough money behind them to back GOP conservatives in order to temporarily overturn constitutionally backed legislation. They’re being RE-opened because the constitution DEMANDS it.

      And as for your ‘holocaust’ reference… Godwin much? Hate to break it to ya, asshole, but Hitler was JUST as anti-choice as you, as well. He forced German women to carry their pregnancies to term and forced Jewish women to abort. He also wanted to grant MORE rights to Germans (those he considered superior, just like YOU consider the fetus SUPERIOR) and deny rights to Jews (those he considered INFERIOR, just like YOU consider WOMEN inferior). OOPS, you did it, again. And this is not a Godwin, because I am NOT comparing this to the Holocaust and saying they are not the same. They are two totally different things that should NOT be compared, IN THE FIRST PLACE. And, if you WERE a compassionate person, you would KNOW this.

      And please keep your prayers to yourself. The very idea that such a Satanic (y’know, a misogynist bigot, unlike God) individual would pray for me (a Christian) SICKENS me to my core. Besides, regardless of who you are, someone who is ACTUALLY Christian-like, would not pray for someone unless they asked for it. Wow, just KEEEEP shooting yourselves in the foot, antis!

  • Jennifer Starr

    And?

  • Jennifer Starr

    So do you wish to be addressed as Maggie or Trey?