At Any Cost: How Catholic Bishops Pushed for a Shutdown—and Even a Default—Over Birth Control


On the matter of the government shutdown that took effect October 1, it seems the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) would have it both ways: for and against.

The bishops want to be on the record as champions of health care for the masses, food for the hungry, and shelter for the homeless—things the government, when operational, helps to provide. But they’re happy to block access to such services for those in need of them unless Congress agrees to block women of all faiths or none, on the whim of an employer, from receiving prescription birth control as part of the preventive care benefit in the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

If that doesn’t work, they wouldn’t mind seeing the global economy brought to its knees for the sake of making the most effective forms of contraception more difficult for women to obtain.

Here might be a fitting place to note that women are barred from leadership in the Roman Catholic Church, an act of discrimination that other Christian denominations long ago abandoned. No cardinal was ever made to interrupt his education for an unplanned pregnancy; no bishop ever endured the pain, blood, and terror of a life-threatening labor. But I digress.

The Bishops and the Tea Party

Late last month, as a legislative impasse incited by Tea Party-allied Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), between the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives brought the government within just days of a shutdown, the bishops weighed in. The House, effectively controlled by the GOP’s Tea Party faction, had already gone one round with the Senate, demanding that a routine continuing resolution (CR)—a means of funding the government in the absence of a budget—include a measure that would revoke funding for implementation of the ACA, a measure the Democratic-controlled Senate predictably rejected.

Although both the House and Senate have passed budgets for the operation of the federal government, the House leadership has refused to name members to a conference committee, which is necessary to reconcile the two budget bills. Hence the need for a CR.

In a letter dated September 26, Archbishop Seán Cardinal O’Malley of Boston and Archbishop William E. Lori of Baltimore prevailed upon members of Congress to attach to the next version of the CR measures that would allow private employers, as well as large church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and universities, to be exempted from a part of the Affordable Care Act that requires that all insurance plans cover prescription contraception without a co-pay. (Houses of worship are exempt from this regulation, but church-affiliated institutions that serve a secular purpose are not.)

The letter was sent under the aegis of the USCCB (also known as the bishops’ lobby), and signed by O’Malley and Lori in their capacities as respective chairmen of the lobby’s Committee on Pro-Life Activities and Ad Hoc Committee on Religious Liberty.

Legislation titled the Health Care Conscience Rights Act (H.R. 940/S. 1204), crafted to the bishops’ specifications, was introduced in both chambers of Congress in March, only to languish in committee. (A similar bill, H.R. 1179, introduced in March 2011, died in committee.) And even earlier efforts to include such a ban on contraceptive coverage in the Affordable Care Act also failed.

“As Congress considers a Continuing Resolution and a debt ceiling bill in the days to come, we reaffirm the vital importance of incorporating the policy of this bill into such “must-pass” legislation,” wrote Lori and O’Malley in their September letter. (Emphasis theirs.)

When it comes to Congress, the lobbyists of the USCCB know their stuff—meaning they knew that such a maneuver would likely bring about a government shutdown. If poor babies went hungry because the Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) closed down, so be it. If poor children were locked out of their Head Start classrooms, that was apparently deemed a small price to pay to make a stand against allowing people to plan their families.

Around the same time as the bishops wrote their missive, a group of 72 House members, led by Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), signed a letter demanding the same of House Speaker John Boehner. If Pitts’s name sounds familiar, you may recall it was he who, with former Rep. Bart Stupak (D-OH), tried to derail the Affordable Care Act’s passage through Congress as they danced to the bishops’ tune in opposition to provisions for reproductive health care, most notably, insurance coverage for abortion.

As the Affordable Care Act took shape in March 2010, the administration reached agreement with Stupak and his allies with the president’s promise to issue an executive order particular to the ACA that reiterates the terms of an already existing law, known as the Hyde Amendment, that forbids the use of federal funds for abortion. (Because the government planned to grant subsidies to lower-income people who sought insurance through government exchanges, the anti-choice forces contended that any policies that covered abortion—even if women chose to pay extra for such coverage out of their own pockets—amounted to a violation of Hyde.) But states were granted the right to opt out of offering abortion coverage on their ACA exchanges, and so far, 23 have placed severe restrictions on abortion coverage, while two have banned any kind of abortion coverage. So insurance coverage for abortion—once a fairly standard insurance provision—is becoming more rare.

The agreement irked both pro-choice and anti-choice activists, though for different reasons. Still, anti-choice forces contend, falsely, to this day that federal dollars are being spent on abortion coverage, as does the legislation referenced in the bishops’ letter. The bishops and their agents in Congress are also aware that few Americans agree with their opposition to birth control, so they also seek to paint the forms of prescription contraception available through the Affordable Care Act’s preventive care provisions as abortifacients, even though science shows otherwise.

A Long-Planned Offensive

As the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) began hammering out the regulations for implementing the Affordable Care Act in 2011, the USCCB undertook a counter-initiative in their newly-formed Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty, under the leadership of Archbishop Lori. Feeding off the language and flavor of the Tea Party movement that was organized in opposition to health-care reform as the legislation made its way through Congress, Lori’s committee went on to launch a campaign titled Fortnight for Freedom, beginning on the Feast of St. Thomas More (a Catholic martyr) and ending on Independence day—in the heat of the presidential campaign.

No longer was the emphasis on the alleged moral evil of contraception; it was now on an ostensible threat the bishops claimed was being made to the religious liberty of Catholics by the Obama administration. No matter the campaign was a dud among rank-and-file Catholics; it injected the bishops’ anti-Obama message into the 2012 election. Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney even made an ad featuring images of the late Pope John Paul II that accused Obama of “waging war on religion.”

In their rhetoric, the bishops turned the meaning of the First Amendment’s religious liberty protection on its head, essentially claiming a right for Catholic employers—even private individuals who own wholly secular businesses—to impose their religious beliefs on their employees by depriving them of any health-care coverage that runs counter to the Catholic church’s misogynistic teachings.

More than 70 lawsuits, launched by religious institutions and private businesses, have been filed challenging the contraception mandate under much the same logic as that employed by the bishops. Among those that have gotten the most attention is the suit launched by Hobby Lobby, a chain of crafts supply shops whose evangelical Protestant owners are challenging the mandate not because they oppose contraception per se, but because they claim the methods covered under the Affordable Care Act, such as the intrauterine device (IUD) and emergency contraception, are abortifacients. (They are not.)

In 2012 and early this year, the Obama administration made an accommodation in the regulations for Catholic-affiliated institutions, and similar institutions affiliated with other religions, that mandates insurance companies to pay for the benefit, which is not subject to a deductible or a patient co-payment, rather than the employer offering the plan. When the regulations were finalized earlier this year, the bishops were livid.

At a forum at the Archdiocese of Philadelphia in June, Sarah Posner reported for The American Prospect that Rep. Joe Pitts touted the Health Care Conscience Right Act, saying, according to Posner, “that [House] Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) was receptive to a plan to attach the bill to a ‘must-pass’ piece of legislation like a continuing resolution for appropriations or raising the debt ceiling limit.” Joining Pitts in addressing the forum, titled “Fight to Preserve Religious Liberty,” were, according to Posner, Rep. Diane Black (R-TN), the bill’s sponsor in the House, and Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), whose entire congressional career revolves around his opposition to reproductive rights.

On Saturday, September 28, the Republican-controlled House attached to a revised continuing resolution an amendment that would have delayed by a year the implementation of the contraception mandate—as well as a number of other preventative care benefits for women, such as screenings for human papillomavirus (HPV), counseling for domestic violence victims, and breastfeeding supplies. Perhaps it wasn’t everything the bishops were looking for, but apparently enough to make their point.

Two days later, members of Congress received another letter from the bishops’ lobby, this one signed by Bishop Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton, California; Archbishop José H. Gomez of Los Angeles, and Bishop Richard E. Pates of Des Moines. The prelates stated their concern for the record high rates of poverty in the U.S., the one in five children who are poor, and the 49 million Americans who experienced food insecurity over the last year.

They called on Congress to pass a just budget and an immigration bill. They expressed concern for the future of health care. Then they added: “As Cardinal O’Malley and Archbishop Lori explain in their September 26 letter, access to health care may also be compromised by recent threats to conscience rights in health care.”

It was a threat repeated, its essence this: Drop the contraception benefit mandate, and nobody gets hurt. But if you don’t, don’t blame us for what happens next.

As expected, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, seeing as how the anti-contraception measure had nothing to do with funding current government operations, stripped out the amendment, sent the bill back to the House, and, with the deadline having passed for the enactment of a continuing resolution by both chambers, the government shut down.

As it looks now, the government will reopen if and when the House passes a continuing resolution that does no more than what a continuing resolution is meant to do: keep government operations running. For their part, the bishops will likely be back with more demands when, in less than two weeks, it’s time to raise the debt ceiling, with the fate of the global economy hanging in the balance.

Correction: A version of this article misstated the Affordable Care Act’s limitation on abortion coverage as having been enacted through an amendment; it was actually Executive Order 13535 from President Barack Obama that reiterated the longstanding proscription on use of federal funds for abortion. We regret the error.

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  • Steve Kellmeyer

    Thank God the USCCB is finally doing its job!

    Thank you for this wonderful summary of their work. It makes me proud to be Catholic. Keep up the marvelous coverage!

    • Jennifer Starr

      Apart from a bunch of celibate elderly men pushing the myth that their ‘conscience’ and ‘religious freedom’ has somehow been impinged due to women have contraception coverage in their insurance, what exactly has the USCCB done? Not a whole hell of a lot.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        The UCSSB has played politics bigtime. From their Voter Guide for 2012:

        In an introductory note to the 2012 edition, the bishops highlighted six concerns: abortion, religious freedom, traditional marriage, immigration reform, fighting poverty and ending war. The document was released days after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops announced they had created a new watchdog committee to challenge what they considered an “assault” on religious liberty from Obama administration policies. Among the threats the bishops cited were a plan that could require Catholic organizations to cover birth control free of charge for their employees and distribute condoms as part of HIV prevention campaigns.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          I notice a complete lack of “freedom of religion” other than their own there. Note I don’t mean freedom from the creator who I think probably doesn’t agree with what all that goes on in churches. From what I remember of the bible Jesus himself was no fan of religious legalism. What I’m saying is this: churches no longer speak for god if they ever did.

          • HeilMary1

            Most man-made religions simply indulge men’s pet bigotries and phobias. Patriarchal religions indulge men’s fear of being stuck with wives they hate. The “celibate” RCC priesthood helped deadbeat daddies escape from aging wives and squalling brats.

          • HeilMary1

            And the “celibate” RCC priesthood hates men who are lucky to be in love with their wives, and therefore invented NFP “birth control” to force abstinence on them. Misery needs lots of company.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The USCCB speaks for themselves and the Vatican, I suppose. And for a subset of sexually dysfunctional folks who happen also to be Catholic. I think they take speaking for God as their right and duty. They do not possess what they profess.

        • HeilMary1

          For cj99: Disqus wouldn’t let me post under your comment!

          Most man-made religions simply indulge men’s pet bigotries and phobias. Patriarchal religions indulge men’s fear of being stuck with wives they hate. The “celibate” RCC priesthood helped deadbeat daddies escape from aging wives and squalling brats.

      • bluedixie

        It’s standing up for the most vulnerable members of society – the unborn. Once upon a time you were just that or had’nt it occurred to you ?

        • Jennifer Starr

          And? Is there an actual point here?

        • HeilMary1

          Fetuses grossly maim and murder their captive hosts, so all abortions are SELF-DEFENSE.

        • Baby_Raptor

          A pile of developing tissue is not a member of society. Birth control is not abortion, nor (thanks to asshole law breakers like you) is abortion covered anywhere in the ACA. And these people aren’t “standing up” for anything. They’re trying to exert control over people who don’t hold their own views so as to spread their power more.

          Did I cover everything, or do you have more lies you want to spread?

          • bluedixie

            I’ll leave the lies and misinformation to you. You really are top of the class in that category.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re the one exploiting fetuses as fists to injure and murder unwanted women on behalf of whiny spoiled pedophile priests and wife killers like Erik Prince of Blackwater.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, everything Baby_Raptor said was the truth.

          • bluedixie

            I think you will find – always assuming you know where to look – that a foetus is rather more than a pile of tissue, as you so elegantly put it. I did not say that birth control was abortion. I don’t think I have broken any of your laws because I don’t even live in the USA (thank God for small mercies!). Control has nothing to do with this argument; being a voice for the most vulnerable is. If you disagree too bad. Your nom de plume really says it all.

          • HeilMary1

            Exploiting fetuses to shred lady parts, cause cancer, shut down vital organs and rot off the limbs of mothers most definitely is about keeping all sex deadly and disfiguring for women. How is such impoverishing mayhem not about control, Mr. anti-American “Blue Dixie”? I’ll bet you live in a third world Catholic poverty pit where you and your pedophile priest buddies have your pick of homeless child prostitutes!

          • bluedixie

            Boy are you one sick nutter.

          • HeilMary1

            Meaning that I nailed you, bigot!

          • expect_resistance

            You’re just pissed because she found you out. Ha!

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          If standing up means you will deprive my daughters of abortion/contraception by law or stalk them when they try to enter a women’s clinic for whatever IN REAL LIFE, I will knock you down. Trust me, you will not want to get up again.

          • bluedixie

            God help you and your daughters.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God loves me absolutely.

          • expect_resistance

            Oh please, you are laughable.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He does. you don’t!

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          The most vulnerable are those subjected to religious abuse, and they’re not all women either, some are guys, I know as I’m 1 of them.

          • bluedixie

            I am truly sorry that you were a victim but actually the “debate” IS ABOUT ABORTION in which context the unborn are in fact the most vulnerable.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And the day you’re actually born and no longer a ‘cute little fetus’, the ‘pro-lifers’ no longer give a shit and you’re on your own. Thank you for illustrating that point so perfectly.

          • bluedixie

            On what basis do you make that statement ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            There are many things, but at the moment I’m basing it on your extremely dismissive statement to cj99. Does the religious abuse of a born person not matter as much to you as a non-sentient fetus?

          • bluedixie

            You misconstrue my remarks. I was merely pointing out that the subject under debate (supposedly) was abortion. Child abuse is awful but another topic altogether. If you can’t tell the difference don’t blame me.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Only you haven’t actually debated any issues, have you? Your basic argument seems to be ‘Everything Catholic is good and perfect and birth control is bad, and you’re all a bunch of daft Americans who don’t get it’–repeat ad nauseam. You’ve been quite insulting towards any number of people here, but you’ve yet to provide any cogent evidence or facts about anything, Even when people ask you to provide these things you don’t follow through. Your assertions about Ghandi and your unwillingness to back them up is just one example of this behavior.

          • bluedixie

            You can hardly claim to have debated anything. I am firmly opposed to abortion on the grounds that it kills the unborn. That’s a fairly simple statement to understand n’est ce pas ? Some of the the comments on this topic have been downright nonsensical rants probably from feminists – the worst thing that ever happened to women in my humble opinion. Nobody has asked me to provide anything sensible up to now. Regarding Gandhi I read a piece a few weeks ago concerning his attitude to women in his earlier life in South Africa. I cannot repeat it verbatim because I am unable to find the original statement but I’m not in the habit of lying to you or anyone else. He did of course change his attitudes to many things in later life. I particularly like his response when asked what he thought about western civilisation -” I think it would be a very good idea”. Says it all really when you think deeply about the state in which we find ourselves. In the last 40 years over 50 million unborn have been aborted in the USA alone. Russia has finally woken up to the fact that in around 40 years time there will be fewer Russians in Russia than any other ethnic group. Italy has the lowest birth rate in Europe. Who do you think is going to be paying taxes to fund your pension in the not too distant future ? With any luck I’ll be long gone by then but I pity all our grandchildren.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Sweetie, this is a feminist website, and your wholly unsubstantiated. ‘humble opinion’ about feminism doesn’t mean a whole lot. You might think that things were better when women were sweet little submissive housewives and babymakers, and if that’s the life you want, you’re welcome to it. But most of us want much more than that–on our terms.

          • fiona64

            He’s probably mad because young women with half a brain won’t even sit next to him during school dinner break (let alone do anything else) and is thus blaming “feminists” for the fact that he can’t get a date.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He does give guys a bad name (a group which includes me). though not all of us are fiends, though I can be a grumpy old bear from time to time.

          • Jennifer Starr

            As for what people have asked you to provide, you might want to consider the first impression you made. You didn’t come in here wanting to make sensible arguments. You came in here throwing insults around and calling everyone stupid Americans and insisting that you were right and everyone else was wrong without providing any proof at all. What kind of reception did you expect?

          • HeilMary1

            Mr. French Canadian Nazi pedophile priest, Italy is underpopulated because of looksist pedophile playboy priests shunning marriage and forcing their third world sex-trafficked mistresses to get abortions. With such an example set by priests, why should their non-clergy brothers bother marrying Italian lookers who will soon be over the hill anyway? The ugly truth about your RCC is that no women, especially wrinkled urine- and feces-leaking brood mares, can compete with your “ever-virgin” airbrushed Madonna Mary! Italian women don’t see the point of further ruining their bodies for spoiled playboys who will soon leave them for the same hookers your priests already shack up with!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Actually I’ve had male friends who had kids while unmarried, 1 did get married as soon as his girlfriend became pregnant while the others didn’t. What they do have in common is they all stuck around to support & raise their kids. Nor did they force the women they were with into anything they didn’t agree too. Twixie could take a lesson from that if he’d ever open his mind.

          • BJ Survivor

            This article is about contraception, not abortion. Contraception prevents pregnancies. Only pregnancies can be aborted.

            Is that simple enough for you? Or do I need to break it down into even smaller words?

          • bluedixie

            Feel free. It wasn’t me who introduced abortion into the conversation.

          • expect_resistance

            Oooooo how scary “feminists.” (Yes loads of sarcasm)

            Pro-choice women here have debated you ass off. You have no debating skills. You haven’t make one single valid point.

          • fiona64

            “Feminists,” by which he clearly means “the boatloads of women who won’t have anything to do with me because I’m a twit …”

          • fiona64

            I am firmly opposed to abortion on the grounds that it kills the unborn.

            Tell you what, sweetie. You gestate any pregnancy that happens to your body, and let women make their own medical decisions without interference from a 12-year-old faux Brit boy.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            It’s your own idea of debating that’s highly dubious. In fact everything you’ve said has been sunk than the yamato.

          • HeilMary1

            Denial of abortion GUARANTEES later abuse of unwanted fetuses by YOU ABUSERS of the already born.

          • colleen2

            you do not determine the subject under debate.

          • bluedixie

            Well perhaps you should take the matter up with the author of the original article; or does that stretch your faculties too far ? The article deals with abortion availability. If you can’t see that hard luck.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, that is not what the article deals with. It deals with the Affordable Care Act and birth control coverage offered in health insurance plans.

          • colleen2

            can you read the fucking headline? THAT is the topic under debate. Again, this is not your blog. Were it your blog we would ALL find another blog. Do not pretend that you have any authority here

          • bluedixie

            Can’t you employ proper english instead of using foul language. In case you did’nt know Obamacare includes funding for abortion and contraception. People have posted comments to that effect and I am doing the same. That may be hard for you to understand..but you have my sympathy ! I do not pretend to have any authority and cannot imagine how you think that I am claiming any.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, it does not provide funding for abortion. Per Politifact: The Senate bill states very clearly that public funding through tax credits and government subsidies for elective abortion services offered in the exchange is prohibited. But more than that, the bill sets up a mechanism to ensure that abortion services offered in the exchange are paid entirely from patient premiums, premiums paid by people who have chosen a private plan that covers abortion. The executive order puts the weight of the president’s word behind providing a way to ensure two checks go to insurers every month, so that abortion dollars and federal dollars are not commingled.

          • bluedixie

            I read only yesterday that PP receives approx $300 million dollars annually. Where does that come from ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            The federal dollars go towards other healthcare services that Planned Parenthood provides, which is 97% of what they do. Per the Hyde Amendment, none of that money may be spent on abortion. And no, it’s not fungible.

          • bluedixie

            If you really believe that 97% of PP activities are not abortion-related then you live in cloud cuckoo land. Sorry I have never heard of the word “fungible”. Has it anything to do with mushrooms ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            I’m sorry that actual facts and big words bother you. Maybe you actually need to get out of the sixth form before trying to argue with adults.

          • colleen2

            perhaps you should look the big words up for yourself rather than pout.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            but he’s so cute when he pouts…..scratch that, nobody gonna believe it.

          • fiona64

            Um, sweetie? Non-profits have to put out a report every year. And yes, only three percent of PP’s activities have anything to with abortion *at all.*

            Does your mum know you’re playing on the computer?

          • expect_resistance

            I am soooo sick of this nitwit. How is this person so stupid? If PP is not funded there goes cancer screenings. Does this person want women to die. WTF?

          • fiona64

            Well, see, that’s about born, sapient, sentient women … and we’re not really people. Zygotes? Those are people. Women are just incubators. /anti-choice attitude

          • Jennifer Starr

            Incidentally, if you’re trying to convince us you’re intelligent, which is a lost cause at this point, it might help you if Mummy looks up the big words for you in this thing called a dictionary.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            When facts are proven belief matters not. When belief is not proven its known as a Lie.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Additionally, let me add to the above statement by saying that I would like the see the Hyde Amendment overturned. But as it has not been overturned, this is where we stand.

          • fiona64

            Donations. Fees for other services (well-woman exams, PAP smears, etc.) … you can look at their annual report yourself. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/annual-report-4661.htm

          • HeilMary1

            Your English is terrible, and since you don’t live here, why are you livid that American women, like women around the globe, are refusing to commit suicide through deadly forced breeding? Abortion is government-paid in Canada, yet you lie and pretend ACA also covers abortion! Obama has smartly noted that insurance providing for contraception and sterilizations is far cheaper for the insurance companies than forcing them to pay later for $5 million dollar disaster pregnancies that require multiple organ transplants for infected c-sections. Penny-wise contraception avoids million dollar-foolish DEAD mothers and SEX-TRAFFICKED disabled kids!

          • bluedixie

            It’s my mother tongue and it is certainly equal to your efforts – actually superior looking back on your earlier efforts. As to the rest of your comments if the not-so-almighty dollar is more precious to you than life, that says it all.

          • HeilMary1

            Idiot, forcing all women to have 10-30 deadly, disabling and bankrupting childbirths each would not only rob health care and food from already born kids and adults, it would destroy our planet. Turning women into human puppy mills is sadistic and disgusting.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Pot
            Kettle
            Black
            Nuff said.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Oooh look, it’s a Mary Whitehouse, getting all shocked and offended over naughty words. Only I spent two months in the UK as a student and I’ve heard how often the average British person, particularly males, enjoy dropping a nice ‘fuck’ or variation thereof into just about every other fucking sentence. I got to the point where I’m no longer shocked by the word. Are you sure you’re British?

          • bluedixie

            Just got back from the pub with a group of friends. The F word was never used and the average Brit doesn’t use it that often either – only in extremis, e.g., when responding to feminist loons of which we have our fair share in UK – unfortunately. Never mind, truth wins out in the end. Yes I am English and proud of it.

          • colleen2

            you are so full of shit.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re also a tosser.

          • HeilMary1

            Then why do you call yourself dixie? Are you a slave-owning Confederate wannabe? No wonder you view women as uppity breeding slaves!

          • fiona64

            Up your bike, gobshite.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Got 3 words for you: THE YOUNG ONES

            Yes its british, look it up. While your at it lookup SLAG and its origins. Oh yeah almost forgot the aforementioned series RED DWARF the humour of which relied heavily on colourful metaphors.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            got 2 words for you dixie: FOOTBALL HOOLIGANS or since your in north america with us its hockey hooligans.

          • fiona64

            Thank you; I’ve spent plenty of time around the UK, and I’ve never heard the f-bomb tossed around so often or so casually *anywhere else.*

            I think the little gobshite is making things up, myself …

          • Jennifer Starr

            I’m beginning to think that he’s about as British as Mr_Cris was Dutch. Either that or he really is just a complete and utter tosser.

          • fiona64

            If he were really British, he wouldn’t have his knickers in a twist over US healthcare reform … because it wouldn’t affect him in the slightest. Plus, women in the UK can get abortions thanks to the NHS, so if he were really concerned about the matter, he’d be having throwing a wobbly over *that.*

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes, it is strange how he hasn’t mentioned that at all.

          • HeilMary1

            I thought he might be French Canadian. The Vatican Nazi rat lines sent plenty of Nazi war criminals to Quebec to fight godless feminists.

          • fiona64

            He insists he’s English … and if he’s English, I’m the Queen of Sheba.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Puts me in mind of a story I heard about the production of that movie Bladerunner when the mostly american crew reacted to the director (think it was) who was british. They began wearing T shirts emblazoned with the phrase “YES GOV!! MY ASS!!”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If he had any clue how gamers talk online I’ve no doubt that would give him fits. Or for that matter any schoolyard I was forced to grow up in. yes I’ve heard worse than whats bandied about here, most of it in school.

          • colleen2

            Obamacare is insurance reform you fucking ninny.

          • BJ Survivor

            In case you did’nt know Obamacare includes funding for abortion and contraception.

            I wish it DID include funding for abortion, but that is a lie. There have been no federal funds used for abortion since passage of the odious Hyde Amendment in 1977. Yes, there is funding for contraception, pre-natal, and well-baby care for those who cannot afford it, because all of those are basic preventative health care as established by The World Health Organization, The UN, and the U.S. Department of Health Services. So sorry that your Bronze Age sexual superstitions have been found lacking in beneficence for the public health

          • fiona64

            In case you did’nt know Obamacare includes funding for abortion

            No it doesn’t, dumbass. The Hyde Amendment precludes it doing so.

            Can’t you employ proper english instead of using foul language.

            Sod off. Just one more fucking choice you don’t get to make for other people.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            it’s a word like any other that reflects her disgust at your own foul behaviour.

          • BJ Survivor

            No, this article is about CONTRACEPTION. Your fantasy that effective contraception = abortion is just that, a fantasy.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            The only person misconstruing your “remarks” is you when your caught in yet another indefensible position.

          • fiona64

            Observable reality, frankly …

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Hellooooo, she based it on you.

          • colleen2

            go fuck yourself. The conversation is about how the USCCB is trying to prevent the poor from accessing HEALTH CARE by denying all women, Catholic or not, access to effective, affordable contraception.

            You and your sock puppets do not control the topic. This isn’t your blog.Don’t you DARE tell others what they can talk about here.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            yet after children are born you won’t give 2 snots about their health or education or anything else as long as they serve your weird demented purposes. If you were truly sorry you’d do something about it instead of defending and participating in it.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      I am a Catholic. 98% of Catholic women use contraception. Catholic women get 26% of the abortions in the US. I do not support the Bishops. i do not support the RCC sexual dysfunction. It is evil. It creates sin. Food is to bulimics as sex is to the RCC.

      • HeilMary1

        Exactly! The anorexia war on safe, delicious food is a great analogy.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          It is not mine. It is Stephen Fry. He said it in the Intelligence2 debate “Is the Catholic Church a force for good in the world.” The Catholic Church lost.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Actually, the pro-abortion wing has always struck me as bulimic.

            You engage in the activity (eating, sex), but don’t want the consequences (fat, pregnancy), so you vomit it out, sometimes repeatedly binging and purging.

            Stephen Fry is a sad specimen of what passes for logic in atheism now. Atheists used to be so much more cogent. It’s a shame, really.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The sexually dysfunctional cause a lot of pain in this world. I see you find the dysfunction comfortable. I am sorry for you. I bet people run when they see you coming. Poor thing.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Perfect, Plum! Go straight to ad hominem when you don’t have a cogent reply. I expect nothing less from a liberal woman. It’s not like you can think of anything else to say. :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Fetus = Vomitus? Nice.

          • colleen2

            this is the same republican troll.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I think so. Putrid little ptarmigan fart that it is.

          • colleen2

            He appears to be decompensating. His posts are increasingly incoherent and rabid.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Shifting identities too. Hmmmm.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Sock puppeting is common among lunatics especially online.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh yeah. And after awhile, because writing is unique to people, you can figure out they are a sock. So tacky.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He’s overdue for laundry day methinks.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Stinky left us too soon. I had so much more to say.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He went to that never never land where odd sockpuppets go: the twilight zone.

          • Arekushieru

            As opposed to Republican women who are told not to think…? Yeah, thought so.

          • HeilMary1

            You support a Nazi-electing and -criminally smuggling, child-raping, mother-killing HERETIC genocide and gynocide cult.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            That’s a lie. I never voted for Obama or any other Democrat even once in my life.

          • HeilMary1

            Dummy, I was referring to YOUR Vatican that ordered German Catholics to vote for never-excommunicated anti-abortion Hitler and ran the Vatican Nazi rat lines that smuggled 100,000 Nazis to the Americas to join YOUR GOP and fascist death squads in Latin America.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Oh, I get it… You live in a fantasy world where all of the things you hallucinate about Catholics happened. A fantasy world in which Barack was not raised as a Muslim, he is NOT arming Al Quaeda, or actively supporting the very Muslim rule in which men have the right to murder their wife and children without repercussions. In your hallucinations, you see a world where Democrats don’t stay silent as millions of little girls are killed through sex selection abortion.

            Yeah…sorry, I’ve gotten kind of attached to reality, so I really can’t share in your drug-induced maunderings. I’m sure it’s pleasant there for you, though. Obamcare will take care of you soon enough.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually Obama was not raised as a Muslim, nor is he arming Al Quaeda. Both of those things are wrong. I’m betting you’re probably a birther as well, probably spending a lot of time at Joseph ‘pornstar moustache’ Farah’s World Nut Daily tabloid site. .

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            BZZZZT. Thanks for playing. Google it.

            Obama went to Catholic school in Indonesia, but his religion was listed as Muslim, and his childhood friends all agree he went to madrassas during religion period, like all the other Muslim students. They even remember him making faces during Koran lessons. He went to mosque with his father.

            That’s why he said the call of the muzzein to prayer is the most beautiful sound on earth.

            The problem with liberals is they know so many things that aren’t true.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Nope.

            From Politifact:

            Some conservatives have argued that simply having Muslim ancestors means Obama himself was Muslim before embracing Christianity. The evangelical minister Franklin Graham made that argument in an Aug. 19, 2010 interview on CNN when he said the “seed of Islam” passes from the father to Obama.

            An Aug. 26, 2010 a PolitiFact national article critiqued Graham’s comments, saying while it’s true Islam scholars say that in Muslim cultures children of Muslims are generally assumed to be Muslim themselves, what really makes one an adherent to Islam is their own beliefs and practices.

            PolitiFact national also found that family accounts suggest Obama’s biological father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was an atheist who had little influence on his son because he and Obama’s mother split shortly after the president was born in 1961.

            So was Obama ever a practicing Muslim in his early years?

            His presidential campaign said he never was and that he was not raised in any religion. Various news articles and biographies — including the president’s own writings — indicate he had a secular upbringing.

            Articles interviewing Obama’s neighbors while he was in Indonesia indicate he sometimes attended a mosque with his stepfather.

            Some of the web commentary has focused on the fact that Obama was listed in his Catholic school records as a Muslim as evidence that was his faith while in Indonesia.

            But a number of stories suggested he may have been listed as Muslim simply because Obama’s stepfather was Muslim, though press accounts suggest Lolo Soetoro was not particularly devout.

            Officials at the predominantly Muslim school that Obama attended has said the public academy is open to people of all faiths. A March, 2007 story in the Chicago Tribune said that when Obama was attending 4th grade, Muslim children would spend two hours a week studying Islam while Christian children would spend that time studying Christianity.

            Obama’s own writings, independent biographies and news articles show he had a secular childhood. Sure, he went to an Indonesian school where most of the children were Muslim and there are accounts that he sometimes attended a mosque with his Islamic stepfather. But there is no evidence that the president was a practicing Muslim raised in the faith.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Your own article says it: he went to Muslim religion classes, he attended mosque with his stepfather. His registration card for school shows him registered as a Muslim.

            His own pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said he wasn’t sure that Obama had fully converted from Islam to Christianity. When asked, Wright said “I don’t know about that. but I can tell you that I made it easy for him to come to an understanding of who Jesus Christ is and not feel that he was turning his back on his Islamic friends and his Islamic traditions and his understanding of Islam”

            Given that Jeremiah Wright was himself a Muslim who converted to Christianity, that’s a pretty interesting set of remarks.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Sorry, that’s still not proof that he was raised as a Muslim or that he or anyone in his immediate family ever had a strong Islamic faith. As the article said, his upbringing was largely secular.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Sure, why would documentation from the school, the eyewitness testimony of his childhood friends or the testimony of his own Christian pastor be something that would shake your faith in Barack’s word?

            After all, it’s not like Barry has ever lied about anything to anyone.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Your aversion to facts is nothing that I can help you with. Sorry.

          • expect_resistance

            Not like the Catholic church leadership has never lied. Ha, that’s a joke. As we speak the archdiocese of St Paul and Minneapolis is under investigation for priest misconduct. Wow like this is shocking news.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Steve, I’ll fill you in on a little secret. The sky is NOT pink.

          • lady_black

            Who cares? Are you saying children are responsible for where they are sent to school? Just what exactly IS your point? Even if the President were a Muslim, I would have still voted for him. But he isn’t. Personally, I think he’s too intelligent to actually be religious at all. And that’s fine with me.

          • colleen2

            “Who cares?”

            The inadequate ‘men’ of the religious right care deeply.

          • expect_resistance

            Why does it matter anyway? What do you have against Muslims?

          • HeilMary1

            Bigot, Obama is not Muslim now, and even if he was, so what? Your Vatican has directly and indirectly genocided a billion people over the centuries, and you scream about other religions’ scandals??

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Read the Great Big Book of Horrible Things and you’ll find that everything you said about Catholics killing a billion people is wrong. The book is written by an atheist, and very well-researched.

            If you don’t see the problem with Obama being Muslim, I can’t help you.

          • HeilMary1

            You use fetuses to maim and murder women and you think you’re so superior?!

          • lady_black

            So freedom of religion means nothing to you. So then go tell the bishops to f&ck themselves.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            So thats whats hidden under your burkha! Wonders never cease.

          • Ella Warnock

            I doubt there’s any actual help you could ever give me. Well, except to serve as a warning, and to spread the word about beginning your posts with “bzzzt.”

          • expect_resistance

            Do you realize that madrasses are sometimes the only schooling available to children in countries were the majority religion is Islam? Just like there are Catholic schools. I know lots of kids that weren’t Catholic that attended the Catholic high school I went to. You could be Jewish and attend my high school. Obama was probably like me being dragged to church by my dad. I would agree that the Islam call to prayer is beautiful, even though I’m not a Muslim. Seriously, you have to get over the Obama is a Muslim thing.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            BZZZT google is not a verb DUH.

          • Ella Warnock

            Yep, if you begin your post with “bzzzt,” I pretty much know the rest of it is bullshit.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Hey at least he hasn’t resorted to “neener neener neener ” yet.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            As for arming al-Quaeda, where do you think the weapons Obama wanted to send to Syria were going to go? The Syrian rebels are almost all linked to various branches of al-Quaeda.

            The reason Benghazi has been stonewalled is that it was also running arms to al-Quaeda elements in Libya. Heck, prior to the assault, the embassy was paying a contingent of al-Quaeda militants to guard the outpost. Again, this is common knowledge.

          • HeilMary1

            History denier, your Bush and Cheney crime families armed most of the world’s despots, including Saddam Hussein, for personal corporate profits.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Nope. There are no reputable sources to collaborate your story. Per UPI, September 16, 2013:

            President Obama Monday signed an order allowing non-lethal, anti-chemical warfare equipment to be sent to the Syrian opposition, the White House said.

            The equipment would also go to experts monitoring the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons stores.

            The United States and other Western and gulf powers say the Assad regime used sarin gas to kill more than 1,400 people in August, more than 400 of them children, in that country’s ongoing civil war.

            A White House statement said the president signed a “presidential determination” to waive “certain restrictions under the Arms Export Control Act.”

            The non-lethal assistance includes “chemical weapons-related personal protective equipment [being sent] to international organizations, including the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, for the conduct of their operations.” That would include experts monitoring the removal and destruction of chemical weapons under an agreement reached by the United States and Russia.

            http://www dot upi dot com/Top_News/US/2013/09/16/Obama-to-send-anti-chemical-equipment-to-Syria-opposition/UPI-69501379367197/

          • lady_black

            If you think there’s some problem with supplying Syrians with things to protect themselves from chemical attacks (not offensive weapons), there is something wrong with you.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Apparantly steve is worried sum syrian rebels might suddenly bludgeon him with their home made gas masks.

          • expect_resistance

            Maybe you could post who “actually” killed Kennedy too. And where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. Keep going with the crazy false flag crap and you will keep looking more and more delusional.

          • colleen2

            pretty soon he will be hallucinating that the federal government wants his little guns….

          • expect_resistance

            This is why I love the band name “Gay Witch Abortion.” The right-wing just keeps getting wacky.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He might think that episode of Red Dwarf is real & blame it on Lister & Rimmer.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Sadly your mistaking whats probably your own rampant alcoholism as “knowledge” but then you think making lunatic fringe claims somehow makes them “right”

          • HeilMary1

            You exploit fetuses of all sexes (male, female and intersexed) to maim and murder millions of women, and you’re forcing a billion unwanted forced-birth people of all sexes to die prematurely from starvation, plagues and wars, then boo-hoo when self-defending women have abortions, regardless of the fetuses’ genders, to avoid childbirth DEATHS? You’re a murdering Inquisition fantasy re-enactor looking for a new witch burning craze.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            BZZZZT. thanks for playing, but you’re wrong again. Even as the population of the planet has gone from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 200 years, the number of famines has dropped.

            The economists are agreed on this: NO ONE is living as bad off now as EVERYONE did in 1800. We’ve managed to feed, house and clothe 7 planets worth of people at levels much higher than the entire planet was at just a couple centuries ago.

            So this crying poor starving humanity meme is just pure bunk. Go to Youtube and search on Hans Rosling’s Joy of Statistics if you want a five minute education on the topic.

          • HeilMary1

            Our non-stop 20th and 21st century wars have all been overpopulation resource wars. So you think being nuked or macheted is a big improvement over starvation?! You’re a sadist!

          • lady_black

            So you think that improvement over 19th century misery is actually improvement? What the world could do with in these times is a lot less babies. There will be no jobs for them.

          • HeilMary1

            Steve wants the forced-birth children of laid-off, foreclosed-on, uninsured Americans to sell their bodies to pedophile priests for food, just like their peers do in the Philippines!

          • expect_resistance

            Wow, you are seriously delusional. Ever hear of exponential growth and overpopulation? You probably don’t believe in climate change either. Which will increase famines world-wide. Many wars and conflicts can be attributed to famine and a lack of food.

            Are you lumping all economists into your sweeping generalization? Have you read Robert Reich or Richard Wolff. They discuss the widening gap between the rich and the poor, mostly focused on the U.S. but Prof. Wolff also focuses world wide.

            I strongly disagree with your statement. Humans are polluting the planet to death. And to add that many indigenous populations were better off (ie. not starving) before the dominant culture raped and pillaged their land.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Nope, you blew it again steve. Take a look around sub saharan africa and look at how too many people are forced to live. You and your ilk on the other hand still support exploiters like Pat Robertson who’s “operation blessing” instead of providing medical relief to the Rwandan genocide victims like he claimed, actually were missionaries running alongside stretchers shouting bible verses to the victims.

          • Ella Warnock

            An adult actually saying “bzzzzt.” I think you’ve got a fake avatar. There’s no way you’re not a snot-nosed, pimply-faced teenaged little weenie.

          • expect_resistance

            Many of us, myself included are opposed to the oppression from patriarchal religions, including the RCC. There are feminists within religions institutions that are trying to reform. I applaud their efforts but don’t have the strength to do what they do. I know Christian feminist theologians that have received death threats for trying to make reforms within the church. Tell me that’s not misogyny.

            Let’s talk fantasy. You really think Obama is arming Al Qaeda? Seriously? If so than you are the one that is living in a fantasy world. I bet you believe that witches still eat children by cooking them up in their caldrons. What a rich fantasy life you lead.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            yes I’ve run across lunatics like him who actually go out of their way to tell everyone “Obama stared NASA to fund a secret muslim invasion of america”. Yet troll accuses others of living in a fantasy world.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Mary actually lives on that little blue planet called Earth.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Plum didn’t, you did.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            They also have a nasty habit of forcing their dysfunction on others as readers here already know. but not just on women either, even on men up to a point. And they have the gall to call it “giving the gift of celibacy”. But I call it what it really is, prison without bars.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “Prison without bar.” Well said.

          • Arekushieru

            Who does this anti-choice, pro-abortion wing consist of, that you speak about, pray tell?

            Bulimia is a result of body-shaming assholes like yourself.

            And, oh, I assume next time you get in an accident that you won’t seek treatment for it, and accept responsibility for it? Yeah, right. You’re just a fucking hypocrite. ‘Responsibility’ is only to be proscribed for WOMEN, in your little fantasy world.

            And who cares about the world religions? Certainly not YOUR ilk. You only care when they can be used to support your OWN positions. Otherwise, you flatly condemn them for MERELY being different, not for what they rightly SHOULD be, like WE do. DERP.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He is no doubt one of those who spends a lot of time decrying how “muslims out to get him” when he’s likely to never having met any in person.

          • colleen2

            I’m fairly certain he thinks the guys in the turbans (Sikhs) are Muslim. It would be funny if it weren’t for the hate crimes.

          • HeilMary1

            You mother killers oppose safe sex for women, non-clergy gays and rape victims, but support tax-paid Viagra rape and adultery sprees for priests and GOP thugs.

          • expect_resistance

            Actually, you can burn a lot of calories by having sex. When I was having a lot of sex in my late 20’s I had a nice toned stomach.

            You make a lot of uneducated assumptions. I bet you don’t teach world religions from a feminist point of view. Since all major religions are patriarchal your statement doesn’t surprise me. Hence, I don’t belong to a major religion. Don’t assume I am Goddessless. I may be “Godless” but not Goddessless. Big difference.

          • HeilMary1

            Steve belongs to the “leave no pedophile priest without a child’s behind” patriarchy.

          • BJ Survivor

            Steve belongs to the “leave no pedophile priest without a child’s behind” patriarchy.

            ROFLMAO! Good one, Mary! Glad I wasn’t eating or drinking or I would’ve splorfled all over my keyboard.

          • HeilMary1

            Thanks! I’m just trying to keep up with all the splorfling here.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I’ve heard its good cardio too. Maybe flexibility training?

            On another note: I’m not godless but I am churchless & unfanaticized.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            I have had sexual activity that doesn’t result in pregnancy and I will continue to do so, along with a few billion other people on the planet. Deal with that.

          • Baby_Raptor

            You know, if you stopped lying, you might have half a chance of converting people to your side.

            1) Nobody is pro-abortion. We’re pro-choice, IE letting women make their own decisions.
            2) Pregnancy is not a consequence of sex. It never has been. There have been birth control and abortion methods as long as people have been having sex. God ordered abortion in the bible. Further, consent to sex is NOT consent to get pregnant.
            3) There are several religions that don’t condemn sex outside of marriage. Hell, there’s even one mentioned in your bible that doesn’t. Maybe you should read that book sometime.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            You’re absurd claims at providing education is the only pity in education that can be seen here.

          • bluedixie

            Unfortunately so is Stephen Fry.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            This from the BK fry guy.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Stephen Fry is an actor, comedian, presenter, writer, poet and activist. And you are what, exactly?

            Yeah, I thought so.

          • fiona64

            A little nutter who’s angry that women won’t give him the time of day, that’s what he is.

      • bluedixie

        If you recognise evil and sin then you know that abortion is murder and artificial contraception is ani-life. That is catholic teaching.

        • HeilMary1

          Google obstetric fistulas and plant-based abortifacients like coffee and wild carrot seeds to get a clue why Jesus never condemned the mother-saving midwife abortionists of his day and why he served abortifacient miracle wine to the Cana bride. You’re the heretic here, troll.

        • colleen2

          Right, so the only people who recognize evil are bat-shit crazy, irresponsible objectively pro-rape theocrats who want to force women to have as many children as possible while simultaneously assuring themselves that those women and their children will not be able to find adequate nutrition and shelter.

          That’s some religion y’all have got going there.

          • bluedixie

            Are all Americans as prone as you to making stupid statements ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Don’t try being witty. You aren’t very good at it.

          • bluedixie

            Well Americans never did have a very good sense of humour.

          • colleen2

            What’s really funny is that this guy’s particular handle is as American as lynching and rape.

          • HeilMary1

            Yeah! What’s up with the Confederate Dixie pretense?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Perhaps he misspelled Pixie. As for the blue part, on second thought I won’t go there.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            They tolerate you enough to not admit you into the psych care you so desparately need so don’t be so sure.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          Apparantly you learned everything you “know” from “Hukt on Fonix”

          • bluedixie

            Never heard of it.

    • HeilMary1

      Anti-christ pedophile clergy do not have the right to commit criminal Munchausen by Proxy womb trafficking on behalf of spoiled pedophile priests. Fascist mother killers like you disgust me.

    • HeilMary1

      I’ll bet there are plenty of sex scandal skeletons in your closet, mother killer.

    • jovan1984

      Thank God the USCCB is finally doing its job!

      Committing treason against the United States, that is the job the Catholic Church are doing!

      • HeilMary1

        Yes, the treasonous genocidal RCC supported the Confederacy and the Axis dictators during WWII.

      • Steve Kellmeyer

        NO, just undermining Obama, which is a patriotic thing to do.

        • HeilMary1

          Traitor, you’re helping pedophile priests kick women and their poor kids into early graves. You murdered my 30-something diabetic neighbor by denying him affordable health care just to spite sexually active fertile women.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Obama murdered your neighbor by refusing to donate his millions to help him. He was supposed to spread his wealth around.

            Instead, he acts against his own people’s interests by supporting homosexual marriage and abortion – both positions that the black community very much opposes.

            Barack Obama is just a white tool pretending to be a black man.

          • jovan1984

            Actually, the Black female community overwhelmingly supports abortion. You can thank our wonderful sisters at Sistersong for educating the black women about what abortion is. You lost the black women, and soon, you’ll lose the black men too!

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            No, actually, YOU will lose them. They’ll all be dead. That’s the thing about abortion: if your parents didn’t have any children, the chances are that you won’t either.

            Blacks are at below replacement level fertility thanks to abortion. So the black vote will become increasingly irrelevant, since the community has little money and a shrinking population.

          • jovan1984

            Let’s face it: being anti-choice is no longer a winning debate. It is a loser now. Your agenda has been laid bare and every woman sees your side’s true colors.

            Oh and while there have been more blacks born recently, the black populations is being thinned out due to lax gun laws and the death penalty, which is state sanctioned murder. Funny how you have done nothing to combat those epidemics!

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Yeah, Chicago’s tough gun laws have certainly stopped all the black-on-black murders in THAT city. In fact, it’s stopped all the black-on-white murder in that city too.

            With Abortion Barbie running for governor in Texas, we’ll see how popular abortion is.

          • HeilMary1

            Priests’ mistresses get abortions, punk!

          • jovan1984

            Fact: Chicago and Illinois’s murder rates are lower than South Carolina’s and SC has lax gun laws. Another fact: blacks are far more likely to be murdered by white people with guns than vice versa. It happened recently in Charleston County, which is the second-largest county by population. Same thing happened in Richland County and Greenville County, the third-largest and largest by population, respectively.

            Unlike you, I fight for actual human beings and their right to life.

          • expect_resistance

            OK your first paragraph is bullshit and your second paragraph is sexist. Piss off!

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            expect_resistance, you need to more inclusive and multicultural. Clearly, this is the wrong time of the month for you.

            Anyone who has complained of PMS even the mildest of PMS symptoms has been told to eliminate caffeine, soda, chocolate, fat, processed sugars, and alcohol from their diets. Try that and see if it helps.

          • colleen2

            Guys like Steve here….they expect the women folk to be friendly and smiling and submissive while he insults and demeans them. Steve’s a bully and women scare him.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Yeah, colleen, I’d say you should definitely cut out the fat and the processed sugar.

            Chicago has one of the highest murder rates in the nation and some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Murder rates increase as gun restrictions increase. All the mass murders in the nation over the last 50 years have occurred in gun-free zones.

            As for Abortion Barbie, I think you’ll discover that she is only popular with the MSM. Sadly, the MSM do not control very much in Texas. Of course, if you watched a decent news outlet, like Fox, you would know that.

          • HeilMary1

            Without gerrymandering, most blue and lavender birth control-using Texans would support reproductive choices in a LANDSLIDE. You adulterous deadbeat daddy mother-killers spend your kids’ food money stuffing tips into the garter belts of strippers to punish your wives for suffering childbirth bladder and bowel incontinence. You looksist adulterers and playboy priests would be bankrupt and in jail for skipping child support if not for abortion clinics taking care of your Viagra “accidents” with mistresses!

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, Stevie, since you’re handing out the diet tips to us women, you might want to load up on the protein and do a little bit of weight-lifting–bulk up a little bit, you know? Because I can’t help noticing that you’re a little bit on the scrawny side.

          • HeilMary1

            LOL! — Planned scrawniness is a form of “baby-avoiding” SPERM-STARVING — like Vatican-ignored fetal flushing by coffee, etc.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I wish I could be a bit more scrawny myself. If steve needs extra bulk I’d give him mine if I could (in a totally non perverse way).

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            unlike some men commenting here I’m not scared of women even though most could kick my butt.

          • HeilMary1

            So now you are the misogynist food police punishing and restricting “self-indulgent fat sluts” for eating the same erectile dysfunction unhealthy foods you take Viagra for?? Viagra causes lethal heart attacks, adultery, pedophilia, fornication, incest and ABORTIONS, but you male pigs refuse to practice the same marriage-ruining abstinence only you force on us women.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Typically misogynistic behavior–a woman rightfully calls your ‘argument’ out for what it is and you accuse her of having PMS.

          • HeilMary1

            Steve has erectile BRAIN dysfunction.

          • expect_resistance

            Jealous you can’t bleed and make a life? Poor baby. I feel sorry for men because they can’t experience the different energy and power levels that women experience during their monthly cycle. I am much more creative during my moon time (aka for you “on the rag”) and much more insightful. Menstrual blood is great for gardening as a fertilizer and good for spells too. One of the best ways I deal with menstrual cramps is chopping wood and then sitting by the fire. And no I don’t have PMS right now I’m actually ovulating. So once again you can go piss off. Please try hard to get a life you are such a looser.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Treyvon springs to mind.

          • HeilMary1

            Guess you never heard of the African continent which is teeming with blacks in spite of the Vatican war on AIDS-preventing condoms and European-backed genocides.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Did you actually read the third sentence of what you wrote? Just wondering.

          • colleen2

            if I was a right wing guy I wouldn’t worry as much about ‘replacement population'; as actually feedi9ng, caring for and sheltering the existing population. But, then, y’all are SUCH assholes.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Hmmm racism too, surprised? NOT.

          • HeilMary1

            Prenatal chimerism of opposite sex twins, microchimerism from older siblings, and polyspermy cause fetuses to be born intersexed gay, so blame God instead of Dems for gays. Childbirth bladder and bowel fistula incontinence plagues black women far more than other races, so emergency abortions and contraception are Goddess-given life-savers of black women.

            YOU murdered my neighbor by opposing affordable health care for disabled young adults. If AHA had been in place a few years earlier, my neighbor would be alive today.

        • jovan1984

          Berkeley, Calif. attempted to do a patriotic thing eight years ago and undermine Bush and all of your cronies in Washington branded them as “traitors” and threatened to revoke funding that they are entitled to.

          What you are doing here, waging a War on Women, is not patriotic. It’s treasonous.

          • Steve Kellmeyer

            Well, that’s because Berkeley CA invented both LSD and Unix. These events were not unrelated. You ARE all traitors out there, and your funding absolutely should be revoked. As Californians, you are only entitled to scorn for having gone Democrat.

            I just hope the government stays shut down for as many years as we ran without a federal budget.

          • jovan1984

            It has been 38 years since Congress passed an acceptable budget. So, you want the government to remain shutdown for 38 YEARS?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If only we could shutdown the thoughtless right wing fanatics in government for 38 years. if they had their way achieving a theocratic dictatorship / police state a 38 year shutdown wouldnt be nearly long enough.

          • jovan1984

            Furthermore, you should lose ALL tax-exemptions. Pay your taxes like the rest of us.

          • HeilMary1

            The CIA invented LSD in a European lab based on Nazi experiments.

          • Jennifer Starr

            LSD was invented in 1938 in Switzerland. The LSD/Unix/Berkeley thing is actually a joke–though you wouldn’t be the first conservative to fail to understand humor. And you probably won’t be the last.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re probably correct and I’ve forgotten the details of LSD’s strange history. It may have started as an ergot-derived treatment for headaches that the CIA found other uses for.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well, the CIA did do quite a lot of experiments involving LSD.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Psst, steve knows this, he was a test subject.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, that explains a lot…

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Ergot being that grain mold responsibile for the Salem witch trials.

          • colleen2

            are you actually dissing Unix? damn. I didn’t know Republicans could spell Unix.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            He wouldnt know Unix if you clubbed him with an RK05

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Very likely he mistook it for EUNUCHS

        • colleen2

          How you flatter your nasty selves. Sedition is never patriotic, it’s the response of a coward and a bully and a loser. We do not live in a theocracy and we will not be dictated to by those who are unable to understand that women are entitled to freedom of conscience and religion and children are hurt when you rape them.
          You and your churches might want to reconsider. The backlash is going to hurt y’all and it will hurt in ways that matter to you.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          then you’d make a great Soviet Patriot. Note: I said Soviet NOT russian. The russians I’ve met are not this guy.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        Against United States or against Humanity? my bets on the latter.

        • HeilMary1

          Treason against both.

    • Amanda Kazarian

      OMG keep your beliefs out of my life. I don’t want your lifestyle. Your church doesn’t mean anything to me. Your God doesn’t mean anything to me. I will keep using birth control and your institution has no right to decide if I am worthy or not to get it with no co-pay. I pay my insurance premiums like everyone else. My meds come out of MY paycheck. I am so tired of having to tell catholics all this, I am getting outrage exhaustion.

      • expect_resistance

        Second that!

        I hear your about the outrage exhaustion. I think I’ve become desensitized to the right-wing bullshit and nothing is shocking anymore. Anyway keep up the good fight I have to get back to work and go to an event.

        • Amanda Kazarian

          I just don’t understand why these types theyon here just to be contradictory and obstinate. I don’t go onto lifesitenews and comment on their articles about all the different condoms I’ve tried and kinky sex, what do they get out of causing a shit storm here? I will never get it.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Their much like those demented gamer trolls defending their beloved PS3 from “TEH XBOTS”. though the topic is very different the rampant immaturity, stupidity, utter lack of reasoning and bitter hatred are completely identical.

    • Oswald Carnes

      Wow. You’ll admit to pride in being a member of the world’s largest pedophile ring? What a disgusting person you are! Hope you’re with Jesus soon!

      • HeilMary1

        He’ll soon be with the fetal idolater-in-chief / womb-pimp guy with the pitchfork. Jesus will be standing with Saints Margaret Sanger and Mary Coffin Ware Dennett.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        I really doubt Jesus wants to be around him.

  • colleen2

    Thank you for summarizing the ‘work’ of the USCCB in the government shutdown and the extent of their hypocrisy. I could smell their stench and their hatred of women all over this thing.

    • AugustineThomas

      Aren’t secularists like you the ones who murder little girls in the womb so they can keep partying or else get the lil boy they always wanted?

      THAT is a war on women..

      • HeilMary1

        No, mother-killing pedophile, it’s you LOOKSIST playboy priests who shun marriage to the icky bladder and bowel-incontinent MOTHERS of your abandoned kids. You’re so grossed out by the childbirth disfigurements, disabilities and bankruptcies of your mothers, sisters and classmates that you fled into the town-skipping Deadbeat Daddy mafia of the priesthood so Catholic donors and government subsidies would always pick up the tab of your fast getaways from pregnant conquests!

        • bluedixie

          Could you translate that garbage into English and maybe we would all understand what you are trying to say ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Sorry that big words are so hard for you to comprehend, sweetie.

          • bluedixie

            I’m pretty good at understanding English, which is my mother tongue, but HeilMary’s efforts would be marked at 0/10. Absolutely appalling but I guess that’s the best you settlers can do having left the old country so many years ago.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, she handles English a damn sight better than you do.

          • colleen2

            I’m pretty good at understanding English

            on the contrary.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m a legal proof reader, village idiot.

          • bluedixie

            Heaven help the plaintiffs !

          • HeilMary1

            They and their lawyers love me because I catch their careless errors. I even got a company award for that.

          • bluedixie

            Well bully for you !

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If you really wanna keep being legalistic you’ll be done up for impersonating intelect under false pretenses.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If you had such a great command of english (or even basic reasoning skills) then why are you not using it?

          • HeilMary1

            Stay stupid, mother killer.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            How could any of us translate your garbage? its utterly incomprihensible.

          • bluedixie

            Sorry but I simply do not have the time to reduce everything to words of one syllable, which evidently is all you understand.

          • colleen2

            Your problem isn’t a superior vocabulary, it’s poor reasoning skills and a complete lack of integrity or honesty.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Tell that to my college diploma, or try arguing that the law of gravity has been repealed for lack of evidence and you’ll still be just as stupid as you are now. So instead of insulting everyone here with your astounding idiocy try getting educated before you throw that accustion at others.

    • neil allen

      Catholic bishops are the organized crime leaders of the organized child rape mafia that thrives in the catholic church. The FBI should use RICO statutes to infiltrate them and send these mafia don’s to jail where they belong.

  • jovan1984

    Harry Reid needs to add a provision into a must-pass bill requiring Churches that oppose contraception to pay taxes, just like most of us around this nation.

    No Church that preaches political misogyny shall be exempt from paying taxes!

    • AugustineThomas

      The church that preaches political misogyny is the Obama worshiping, infanticide committing Church of Godless Leftism right?

      • Jennifer Starr

        Wow. Do you think maybe you can up the histrionics just a notch or two? That wasn’t nearly enough hysteria to be entertaining.

        • HeilMary1

          Be careful about snarking the demented trolls — they really will crank up their already over-the-top histrionics.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah, if this one gets any more hysterical he’ll start foaming.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          I was tempted to call their delusions either Science Fiction or Fantasy but that would be an insult to both kinds of fiction. At least SF n Fantasy makes no pretense of being real.

      • HeilMary1

        No, your Nazi Catholicism that enslaves women in deadly, impoverishing incubation for spoiled pedophile priests is the real treason and satanism here, punk.

        • bluedixie

          Are you aware that “Nazi Catholicism” is an oxymoron ?

          • HeilMary1

            Google Croatian Nazi Catholic Ustashi death camps and Vatican Nazi rat lines, dumbass.

          • bluedixie

            For your edification there’s a world of difference between a catholic and a practising catholic, e.g. Nancy Pelosi. You may also be aware that the catholic church saved thousands of Jews during WW2 but I suppose that does’nt really matter to you.

          • Jennifer Starr

            The word doesn’t means does not. The apostrophe goes right between the ‘n’ and the ‘t’, where the ‘o’ would normally be. This is why we call this a contraction.

          • bluedixie

            You really are a mine of information. Shame it ain’t (note apostrophe) useful.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well, I used to be a fanatical anti-choicer like you, but then I grew up. Perhaps you will too. There’s always hope.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What changed you, Jennifer, if you do not mind my asking? I am tired of playing tag with these forced birthers. They are nuts. I think we should get to know each other’s stories and thoughts maybe.

          • HeilMary1

            I used to be extremely anti-abortion and anti-premarital sex myself and cringe over the pompous shame and blame I dished out. Haven’t sorted it all out yet, but the 1950s Hollywood/Harlequin paperback romance virgin-beauty-queen-wins-it-all trope really distorted my perceptions of how romances really played out over time. While I battled my sex-hating mom for my right to look human and to date and to even use contraception, I kept meeting women already disfigured by pregnancy or still virgins because they married closet gays. On the top floor of my Kutztown dorm, there was only one virgin, who was so gorgeous that any Hollywood playboy would wait for her just because she was so damn gorgeous. All the other women on that floor were on the pill, and they all got married, probably even before engaged Donna the drop-dead gorgeous virgin. Everyone on that floor became romance winners by taking different routes. Donna’s beauty gave her the option of abstinence before marriage, but everyone else hedged their bets by not waiting. The only loser was ugly virgin me, and the RCC’s virginity scam fell on me like a collapsing cathedral ceiling.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Life converted you. Me too.

            I was pregnant by my high school BF. I was a good little Catholic drone filled with the same romantic ideals you mention. So I “chose life” when my Mom offered me an abortion in 1961 when it was still illegal. Life converted me quick. Biggest mistake I ever made.

            When the pill became legal in 1973, I was already 30 years old. My fertility has been a burden most of my life. You know I jumped on it.

          • colleen2

            life and the fact that both of you are intelligent and able to think for yourselves.

          • HeilMary1

            Insults and rejections from everyone forced me to always question “conventional wisdom”.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I got lots of that too. My Mother nearly beat me to death.

          • HeilMary1

            My mom tried to get my arms amputated so she’d get more pity from priests. She also tried to shave my head because that’s what happened to “slutty Irish women who dated British soldiers”. Hmmm…there weren’t any British soldiers in Baltimore for 6-year-old me to date! She also overdosed me on barbiturates and attempted heat stroke (radiation can shut down people’s ability to sweat and I couldn’t sweat for years).

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh Mary. How have you survived? I came close to killing myself several times. My Mom was bad. She was not that bad.

          • HeilMary1

            I started considering suicide in 4th grade, but meeting government radiation victims in the 1990s made me realize how much worse other people’s lives were. Many people suffered and died from gruesome government-induced cancers.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I tried to slash my wrists when I was about 10. For me it was mostly a dramatic gesture. The real trying to kill myself started in my teens. I am glad we are both here. Well met.

          • HeilMary1

            I took sleeping pills in college because one professor kept shaming me in front of the class over my facial scars. I think we are meant to take on RCC corruption. I’m glad you’re here, but I’m not sure I’ve accomplished anything. Advertising production is not the proper background for officially investigating and exposing RCC crimes.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Call me romantic but I think being here and talking and writing makes a big difference. The struggle continues. We do what we can where we are.

          • expect_resistance

            Big hugs Plum Dumpling and Mary. Thank you for being here.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thank you very much. I like being here.

          • BJ Survivor

            Another hug to Plum Dumpling and HeilMary1. I’m so glad you’re both here; I’ve learned so much from you! Especially you, Mary. I don’t know how you have the stomach for the atrocities you dig up; I have nothing but respect for your dedication. Will you be writing a book? I would buy it!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I think she should write a book too.

          • HeilMary1

            Years ago, I finished a draft of sorts entitled “Immaculate Deception,” but like Alice chasing the Mad Hatter, I’m too distracted running down new internet rabbit holes of RCC and GOP scandals to re-edit and update it. It’s easier and more fun to post tidbits here. I’m not a journalist so I don’t have the training to pull it together in a presentable professional form.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m too distracted and not tech savvy enough to even set up my own web site. Also, I often work killer hours to avoid being laid off. My place is a nightmare of books, newspapers, articles, radiation hearing transcripts, audio and video tapes, cds, dvds, and medical records. If I ever win the lottery, I’ll try to finance a movie about the Vatican Nazi rat lines and related atrocities.

          • expect_resistance

            Big hugs to Mary and Plum Dumpling. Thank you for being here.

          • HeilMary1

            Hugs for you too!

          • expect_resistance

            Mary, I’m sorry for what has happened to you. I’m glad you are posting here. I’ve learned a lot from your posts. To me you are an amazing strong beautiful woman. Thank you!

          • HeilMary1

            Thank you! We are all dragon slayers here!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            It was hard won. Thank you.

          • HeilMary1

            Although I always supported sterilization and contraception and decided to be child-free in college (despite zero dates!), I also believed the old myths that the pill messed up women’s weight and complexions. Then I overheard dating coworkers discuss a clinic visit, and noticed the woman’s complexion dramatically improve. That made me: “I’ll have what she’s having!”

          • Jennifer Starr

            Okay, this is going to be kind of long and rambling so I apologize, but it was a lot of things that turned me pro-choice. I actually grew up in a fairly liberal home, stable family, great parents, siblings, etc.I was allowed to pretty much watch and read what I wanted, well, within reason, My mom did not believe in censoring. We went to church on Sundays–Baptist and later Methodist, but we were not extremely religious. Politics was discussed but not really pushed on us. But I was extremely naive/idealistic, thought everything was black and white and I remember reading one of those pamphlet things “Diary of an unborn child”. At the time I was absolutely horrified that someone could ‘kill their own baby’. My parents kept trying to tell me it wasn’t that simple, but I didn’t listen, saying there was ‘never a good reason to kill a baby’ and getting quite strident about it–well, as strident as a twelve-year-old could get. This was the mid-eighties and we had moved to Virginia and lived near the Hillcrest clinic and we kept hearing about blockades and things like that on the news. I didn’t think it was right of them to do that,and I didn’t agree with violence, hated people like Randall Terry but I kept believing that most ‘pro-lifers’ were basically good and wanted to save babies–that it was all about ‘the babies’.

            Around 1988, there was the case of Marty Klein, a man whose pregnant wife Nancy, already the mother of a four-year-old girl was in a coma following a car accident and barely out of her first trimester. Doctors told him that getting his wife an abortion would make it easier to treat her with medication and facilitate her recovery. Before he barely had time to consider the advice the news got out somehow and two men, complete strangers to this family, took him to court, one seeking guardianship of his wife and the other one wanting guardianship of his wife’s fetus. They lost, thankfully, and Nancy Klein was able to have the abortion and woke up not long after. Hearing about the actions of the ‘pro-lifers in this case completely revolted me, but I still considered myself ‘pro-life’. Though that was one of the first chinks in my armor.

            Then my aunt had an ectopic pregnancy and she went to a clinic to have an abortion and found herself ‘steered’ to a CPC where a volunteer wearing a white lab coat, who was just a little older than me told her that the technology existed to move the ‘little one’ from her Fallopian tube to her uterus. She nearly died looking for a doctor who could do just that. I was furious. The CPC didn’t care about her, they were going to say anything just to ‘save a baybee’, even if the cost was her life and fertility. And it was that event which completely soured the ‘pro-life’ movement for me. I read and researched, and found the truth. It took me a number of years to get to the completely pro-choice person I am today, but here we are.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thank you for your story. I read it with interest so no apology for length wanted. You write well. At 12, we can afford black/white thinking. And then we grow up and meet the real world where there are at least 19 hues of gray.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Very true, yes. And thank you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Maintaining it is all black and white is easy. Dealing with the entire color spectrum of the universe is hard but worth it. Bob Altemeyer said a penetrating thing in The Authoritarians that I like:

            “Dogmatism is by far the best fall-back defense, the most impregnable castle, that ignorance can find. It’s also a dead give-away that the person doesn’t know why he believes what he believes.”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            To quote an often overquoted string of movies: “only a sith deals in absolutes” and if you’ve seen those movies you’d know they were power hungry, manipulative and intolerant sadly too often like this world we live in.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            what happened to Marty Klein & his wife is apalling. really revolting. All I can say is GRRRR

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah , just thinking about that one still burns me up. That total strangers would have the nerve to come in and try to take guardianship of a man’s comatose wife and the fetus? Just utterly appalling. Words can’t even describe it, quite frankly.. And even today would you believe they still try to spin that story, implying that maybe Marty was secretly upset about his wife’s pregnancy and didn’t want the baby, a whole bunch of nasty stuff. Really, really disgusting.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            all I can say to describe it is Insane in the membrane.

          • Arekushieru

            I have never been anti-choice. But mine is a story of contrasts. That’s why, even though it may seem I’m adding irrelevant bits here and there, it all eventually fits into the bigger picture. Really!

            I grew up in small town southern Alberta, which is much like rural Texas, to give you an idea.

            My maternal grandfather was a German Catholic. And although he was Pro-Life, he NEVER imposed those values on ANY of us. (Mary can fill you in on any other information you would like to know about him, as I’ve already passed some of it onto her.)

            His wife, my grandmother, was a German Lutheran, daughter of a First World War veteran who also fought on the side of the Allies, who converted to Catholicism to marry him, but for all that, much the same as her husband, except probably more liberal. My father was English/Swedish United. (My family has a history of Protestants marrying into the family but eventually converting – whether it be themselves or their children – to Catholicism, it seems.)

            My mother was and is a farm girl born and raised. My father was more city bred, or as much as he could be, since this was in Saskatchewan, the province just to the East of us, and there are none more rural than that one.

            However, I was raised Catholic in a small town of 350 people. Yet my parents were pretty liberal in raising my brother and I and the town we lived in wasn’t nearly as small town in its mindset as many others, and that may be partly due to the influence of the next ‘town’ (that didn’t want to become a city) over.

            For a few reasons that didn’t become more clear to me until the age of 34 (and for others, including bullying), I was quite the loner and preferred to keep to myself. As in Mary’s case, Harlequins and romances were the staples of my life. But that actually lead to a stronger determination to never rely on others as society and literature deemed women should do.

            As I’ve already said, I have never been anti-choice, but a lot of these contrasts may have prevented my position from crystallizing as early as it should have.

            That one defining moment in my life occurred while I was still living in this small town and attending school there (as it was so small there was only one school which you attended from K-12). And it was my mother that made that happen. It was when we were discussing a topic that had come up in school (I believe) and it eventually segued into abortion. This is where my mom told both my brother and I that she had had a miscarriage (which I wouldn’t learn until later yet had actually been an induced abortion and not nearly as life-threatening as I had first surmised) between myself and my brother (yes, this is the one I always bring up on these discussion boards. To clarify why continuing that pregnancy would literally have meant that my brother would not be here: my brother was born in August. He would have been conceived around Christmas the previous year. However, my mother’s previous pregnancy was conceived in May, only SIX months before that. And, of course, if my mom had continued the pregnancy she would have attempted to bring it to full term, which would have been three months AFTER that date. In that case, even if my mom did decide to have a third child, the third child would have been someone completely different than the brother I currently have). But, in that discussion, my mom mentioned that if the fetus had been diagnosed with genetic abnormalities she would have have made a decision to abort. And that’s when I realized that this was something that affects everyone, even some closer to home, like my mom, not just some nebulous person ‘out there’. And that’s also when I realized policies that try to limit a woman’s ability to choose are hurtful and harmful to women, as a class.

            And that’s how I became a passionate advocate for a woman’s right to choose (or at least the beginning of it).

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What a good story. You have family that talks with and to each other. I think that is wonderful. My family does not know how to do that. You have a rich cultural background. My Mother had an abortion when abortion was illegal in the late 50s. And she offered my one, still illegal, in 1962. But we never talked about it. Never.

          • HeilMary1

            My mom had an abortion of sorts at CATHOLIC Mercy Hospital in Baltimore way before it was legalized. She had an incomplete miscarriage (probably induced by her tea drinking) and Mercy Hospital removed the non-viable fetus. Today, Mercy Hospital would have forced her to die of fetal sepsis.

          • colleen2

            I agree. It is not information that a fool would find useful.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Y’know I don’t wish for alien abductions but in your case I’ll make an exception. Perhaps they’re studying village idiots? if so the jokes on them. I could feel sympathy for them!

          • HeilMary1

            The Vatican saved far more Nazis than Jews, and your favorite pope, Paul VI, funded Nazi death camps in Croatia to exterminate all non-Catholic Christians. Google “Unholy Trinity” by Mark Aarons and John Loftus for real WWII history.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You do not get to decide who is a good Catholic and who is not. Only God gets to do that. Breaking … wait for it … you are not God.

          • bluedixie

            I am well aware that judgement is God’s prerogative but my stating a fact does not constitute judgement. You may well believe someone is behaving badly as illustrated by his/her actions but you don’t get to judge them. Understand ?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No. It is another one of your whackjob musings. Yawn.

          • HeilMary1

            Practice what you preach, bully troll!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            You’d be wise to remember this yourself after this lifetime is over and your own life is reviewed. It scares me what people who’ve mistreated others would face.

          • colleen2

            Of course those “thousands” were children stolen from their parents to be raised Catholic. The Church is always looking for accolades for stealing children. I’m sure that a large number of them were used as sex objects by your clergy. That’s what the Catholic church has ALWAYS done to the children stolen or foolishly left in it’s care.
            Likewise, the church has been responsible for the murder and torture of MILLIONS of women and Jews over the centuries. It’s how ya” gained that non-existent moral authority,.

          • HeilMary1

            And the not-so-pretty kids also got trafficked for medical experiments. Kevin Annett and Clinton’s Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments have exposed horrific government experiments on institutionalized kids, especially at RCC facilities.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            They castrated boy children who could sing because it created “pure tones.” You can hear the last castrati sing. It is like listening to a rape. Gives me cold chills. We are not talking about ancient history. This recording is 1902.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-S3uoeTXg

          • colleen2

            They did this because women weren’t ALLOWED to sing in Church. They hate women that much. We couldn’t SING in their churches. they took little boys and slowly crushed their testicles (some Priests must have been SO PLEASED with that duty) so they could have the soprano and alto parts. truly savage men.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yep. And these are the folks who tell me I am “objectively disordered.” You have to laugh. Otherwise you would kill a couple of them for shitz and giggles.

          • HeilMary1

            They are objectively perverted and sadistic.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh yeah. And still trying to exert their “authority.” I called a priest and he did not like what I had to say and tried to use “the voice” on me. He is used to Catholic women who are cowed. I told him straight out “Do not use that tone with me. It does not work anymore.” Shut him right up.

          • colleen2

            being called “objectively disordered” by the hierarchy has always made me laugh. Their understanding of both women and human sexuality is so limited and warped and their own kinks so apparent. It’s like being called angry and irresponsible by George Zimmerman or Wayne LaPierre.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            LOL. Well said.

          • BJ Survivor

            Best analogy ever! ;)

          • HeilMary1

            And a few decades ago in the Netherlands, some teens who ratted out pedophile priests were punished with castration.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Now that I think about it, the RCC created transgender people deliberately. Sort of makes their homophobia inconsistent, does it not?

          • HeilMary1

            Fraudulent NFP or UNnatural Family Cramming dramatically increases the rate of “accidental” intersex gay infants because of fertilization timing anomalies. And large Catholic families have higher rates of gay sons, probably because of microchimerism from older sisters.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Interesting. I did also read that NFP causes miscarriages and birth defects also. And for the same reason: fertilization timing anomalies.

          • HeilMary1

            I’ve posted multiple reasons why NFP is an insulting fraud, but most researchers don’t bother wasting their limited funds documenting what most women experience daily: unpredictable cycles and extra monthly ovulations that result in fraternal twins from separately released days and weeks apart eggs.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Sexual dysfunction creates victims at all levels.

          • Arekushieru

            Okay, you may not believe me, but I have another friend who has a brother (and fifteen other siblings, some adopted, some half-related, on BOTH sides of the family) with ten kids. But his wife was only pregnant four times. She had two sets of twins and two sets of triplets. The second set of triplets came about as a result of multiple eggs fertilized at different times of her life.

          • HeilMary1

            I DO believe you! And I’ll bet the mother of the twins and triplets never took fertility drugs! She could have had more than 2 sets of ovaries from absorbing a twin sister before birth. That or simply different timing from her sister’s absorbed ovary might explain the different ages of the “triplets”.

          • Arekushieru

            Yes, it could have resulted from chimerism (which would have been interesting in and of itself) or she could have simply been hyperfertile and released a second egg 1-2 weeks after she got pregnant that time. :)

          • HeilMary1

            Yes, it is a myth that pregnant women stop releasing new eggs. One Rockville, MD women didn’t know she was pregnant until the full term fetus popped out on her husband’s birthday. She never gained much weight and she had continuing sporadic periods.

          • Arekushieru

            Yup. I remember reading about that. I believe she wanted the pregnancy, fortunately…?

          • Arekushieru

            Although, I should point out that intersex and transgender are not the same thing. I have a friend who was born with female and male genitals and assigned male at birth. However, genetically she is considered female by society. She wanted to be a woman and had corrective surgery so she could present as female. That’s why she is considered both intersex and transgender.

          • HeilMary1

            Thanks for the clarifications. Conservaturds abuse the word transgender to imply completely non-intersexed people capriciously decide to splurge thousands of dollars on invasive, painful surgeries because they’re “mentally ill”. The more I read about subtle undiagnosed intersex conditions and ubiquitous opposite sex microchimerism among siblings, the more I suspect transgender people have inborn biological justifications for their transformations.

          • Arekushieru

            Yup, and I think that that has entirely something to do with this seemingly little-known subject epigenetics! I have a Facebook group devoted entirely to the subject of epigenetics, btw. (Shameless self-promotion?)

            Conservaturds, I think that’s what I’ll be calling them from now on! It describes them to a T and doesn’t target any specific minorities or underprivileged individuals. Unless someone is going to come along and make the claim that turds are now oppressed? EWWW…..

          • HeilMary1

            I never heard of the term epigenetics. I will look into it!

          • HeilMary1

            One of the popes had a handsome ladies man castrati executed for mere suspicion of non-procreative sex!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            How long have you been studying RCC history? You know a lot.

          • HeilMary1

            When I seriously started piecing RCC and government scandals together in the 1990s, by divine coincidence, I kept coming across amazing free books discarded at my night shift temp jobs at two DC area publications. Also, I met amazing people at various daytime hearings.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I think you were meant to do this. Fate.

          • HeilMary1

            Talk about Fate! Here is another example: I read a great review of “Thy Will Be Done: The Conquest of the Amazon: Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil” by Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett, and prayed to my book angel to please put that book out with the unwanted books at my two jobs. Then some days later I passed USAToday’s unwanted book area and there was that book all by its lonesome self on the floor near the vending machines! I pounced on that book faster than Fran Drescher at a designer clothing sale! It was such a great book that I xeroxed sections and mailed them to a retired military translator who coaxed Amazon tribes to participate in American “biological studies”. He was heartsick to later learn they were used as guinea pigs at atomic blasting sites in Nevada. He thought they were selected by missionary priests as punishment for their leftist sins. “Thy Will Be Done” explained how Rockefeller used Bible translators to kick Amazon natives off their land.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            For centuries the Catholic church practiced racism against all jewish people foolishly blaming them for “killing Christ”

          • bluedixie

            You really ought to get out more often. You might learn a thing or two starting with truth.

          • Jennifer Starr

            If you think she’s lying, provide your own evidence and prove her wrong.

          • bluedixie

            Think she’s lying ! The burden of proof is on her and there is no way she can substantiate such drivel.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Like I said, prove her wrong.

          • colleen2

            funny. the castrati thing is well documented. you should look it up. You have the tools at your disposal.

            Are you not aware of how completely you and your sock puppets have been discredited here?

          • Arekushieru

            Really? You’re the one who made the first claim? Seriously, antis, Lurn 2 Dbat!

          • HeilMary1

            You would know the truth if you switched to C-Span, Russia Today’s “Big Picture” hosted by Thom Hartmann, or MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            BBC can have some good moments too. I still hear some shortwave news thats decent when not swamped by village idiot televangelists running bootleg transmitters.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            We do get out, myself included, why is it that I don’t reply to your inane drive more often than every 2 or 3 days. Done some learning too, things like Ohm’s law among them which is infinitely more useful than your inept propoganda.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Proof?

          • bluedixie

            Is everybody in America in denial because this and many other comments are just plain daft.

          • HeilMary1

            We follow the REAL news, not mother-killing propaganda from the pedophile priests and adulterers running the GOP and Outfoxed Noise.

          • Arekushieru

            Asking for proof is ‘daft’? No, that statement shows us quite clearly who the daft one is, here….

          • bluedixie

            It’s common knowledge. If you choose to ignore it tough luck. Remain blind to the truth if you must.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No it’s not common knowledge: you must provide proof.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            no thanks, I have no intention of becoming just like you. I was born with a mind and I’ll keep on using it.

          • Arekushieru

            Um, it’s common knowledge that Catholics saved plenty of Jews during the second World War but it’s NOT common knowledge that Catholics perpetrated many atrocities against Jews, without proof? Again, we know which person is ACTUALLY daft, here. Kthx.

          • HeilMary1

            Whether Catholics collaborated or not with Nazis depended on their degree of fascism.

          • Arekushieru

            All too true, but that’s my point. Bluedixie is demanding to know the reason why we ask for proof for something that’s ‘common knowledge’ but at the same time demands proof for something that WE claim is common knowledge, without any hint of a sense of ‘irony’.

          • fiona64

            I’m not sure which thing you were referring to here, but the Vatican, in the person of Pope Pius XII, was very much hands-off with Hitler and his actions. That’s well-documented by a variety of sources.

            What is *not* so well-documented is that one monastery was very active indeed in helping refugees — and they did so at some risk to themselves, not only from the Italian Government but also from the Holy See. So no, it is not “common knowledge.”

            In fact, it’s only been two years since I read a book called “The Assisi Underground.” It was written by Alexander Ramati, who was a war correspondent, and a Polish Jew, who was helped by the monks at Assisi. However, the book itself (published in 1978) is highly fictionalized and it’s therefore rather difficult to gauge its accuracy. In case anyone’s interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Assisi_Underground

          • fiona64

            In re: Pius XII specifically (did not want to wind up in moderation for having more than one link): http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

            Quote: The Pope’s indifference to the mistreatment of Jews was often clear. In 1941, for example, after being asked by French
            Marshal Henri Philippe Petain if the Vatican would object to anti-Jewish laws, Pius XII answered that the church condemned racism, but did not repudiate every rule against the Jews.(16) When Petain’s French puppet government introduced “Jewish statutes,” the Vichy ambassador to the Holy See informed Petain that the
            Vatican did not consider the legislation in conflict with Catholic teachings, as long as they were carried out with “charity” and “justice.”(17)

          • HeilMary1

            Nazis easily avoided RCC condemnation by arresting non-Aryans for using contraception, being gay, etc. The Vatican had no problem with Nazis arresting innocent people for “sexual sins”.

          • bluedixie

            Fiona you can raed the full account in a book called “The Defamation of Pius X11″ by Ralph McInerny which includes his sources of information.

          • HeilMary1

            I remember seeing a movie about the Assisi Underground. Italian civilians did a much better job of hiding Jews than Catholic clergy, who mostly hid and printed up fake IDs for Nazi war criminals.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Nope I’m in canada not denial, btw just so you know closest I ever got to daft was daft punk. Look them up, they’re actually quite good even though later than my generation.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            There were allegations the previous pope had ties to nazism back in his childhood.

          • colleen2

            The previous Pope was a member of the Hitler Youth. It’s what all the Catholic kids did during the war.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No it is not. Hitler was a Catholic.
            http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

          • bluedixie

            Vide my earlier comments about Nancy Pelosi. I suppose you think Stalin was a good communist !

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You do not care what I think, Troll. You need an excuse to obssess over something. How many computers do they have in the hospital dayroom?

          • HeilMary1

            He was awful! Russia deserved the moderate government briefly run by the Mensheviks. Pelosi is defending women’s right to medical self-defense and the right of families with kids to earn living wages and afford health care. You want us all to starve to death like Somalis.

          • bluedixie

            Starve to death ? Yep that’s something overweight Americans would never countenance would they ?

          • HeilMary1

            Obesity is a common problem for underfed and malnourished impoverished people, especially Native Americans, when they are forced to rely on fattening genetically modified cheap filler food instead of expensive fresh produce. And pregnancy destroys many women’s metabolisms. Oprah Winfrey is a good example. Her teen pregnancy wrecked her thyroid.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Look at history, most of histories most infamous Nazi’s of the 30’s & 40’s were in fact Catholics.

          • bluedixie

            As I stated earlier Nancy Pelosi and Jo Biden are on the record as catholics but………..????

          • Arekushieru

            They are Catholics. So, got any more ignorant questions?

          • colleen2

            Rather like ‘Christian love’

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            No offense meant to you Colleen but EEEWWWW!!!

      • expect_resistance

        Excuse me? Who the hell are you? And where do you get off with a statements like that. Some of us support Obama but I don’t worship him. I’m an eco-feminist anarchist-socialist and Obama isn’t nearly left enough for me. If I had my way, we would have universal health-care for all. Abortion wouldn’t even be an issue because it would be covered as every woman’s civil right to have access to birth control, abortion, and all reproductive health-care.

        The Catholic church is rife with misogyny. Why do you think so many people have and will leave the church. I grew up Catholic and left the church as soon as I could. I don’t need the Catholic church to preach to me about how evil women are who want to exercise their bodily autonomy. There are other religions than Catholicism, true religions that teach compassion and love, unlike the Catholic church. I have never seen anything from the Catholic church (leadership) other than abuse, hypocrisy, misogyny, rankism, and hubris.

        • bluedixie

          Well you do not describe the catholic church I know, love and belong to with pride.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Was it the Catholic Church who taught you grammar and spelling? Because I’d ask for a refund if I were you.

          • bluedixie

            Kindly qualify your statement.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You mean quantify, not qualify. And you just made my point for me. Also, the fact that you don’t seem to be able to handle contractions like wouldn’t and shouldn’t–it’s not apostrophe nt, it’s n apostrophe t.

          • bluedixie

            No. I mean qualify. I really must look out for contractions…….hasn’t that got something with pregnancy ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Again, wit is not your strong suit.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            It’s not exactly difficult y’know (oh no!! a heathen blasphemer contraction!!)

          • HeilMary1

            Pedophile enabler!

          • bluedixie

            Learn to spell correctly if you must comment.

          • bluedixie

            Perhaps you could point out my grammatical errors ?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Y’know you just replied to yourself right? I think we all know what talking to yourself implies.

          • colleen2

            Your comments are shallow and unwelcome. You lie, manipulate and demean others. fuck off.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Not having used it recently I still aprove the extremely rude word starthing with the 6th letter of the alphabet.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, HeilMary1 didn’t misspell anything.

          • HeilMary1

            Troll, you’re the missing Village idiot here.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And I know you’re going to say that paedophile is the correct spelling, but in American English, pedophile is correct.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Off topic I know but can I still say doughnut? I don’t wanna be blackballed from tim hortons.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah, doughnut is just fine :)

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I should add to this that I’d hang out at timmies with you lot, with the exception of pixies sockpuppets. Just don’t let me overdo it on the timbits.

          • Arekushieru

            CJ, as Canadians we tend to spell words with an ou instead of the single letter o. So, I wonder when bluedixie is going to get all over our asses for spelling errors that aren’t?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            to which I’d reply English was invented in England ;P

          • expect_resistance

            Oh my, aren’t we filled with hubris and self-righteousness. Are you the “church lady?”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Perhaps Edith Prickly? or “Agnes” from Saints Row the third?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh the Spelling Police have arrived. Boooo! I have very intelligent kids who also have dyslexia. Cannot spell to save their lives. Smarter than you are. And nicer too.

          • HeilMary1

            Maybe the sex-hating RCC gives everyone sexual dyslexia??

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I think their sexual dysfunction causes a lot of pain and creates more sexual dysfunction. Catholic pedagogy is child abuse IMO.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Lookout, they’ll turn you into the phone cops next!!

          • bluedixie

            Sorry I did not know about your dyslexia and I apologise. Glad to know your kids are smart but I just hope you do not corrupt their minds with some of the stuff you’ve come out with on this subject.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not have dyslexia. My kids do. You do not actually read my responses.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            you first!

          • expect_resistance

            Well, that’s my experience with the Catholic Church.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Your experience does not negate their experience. I am baptized and confirmed. I hate the RCC with a purple passion.

          • bluedixie

            So which other religions are superior in their teachings to the catholic church – which incidentally gets its teaching directly from Jesus Christ with whom you will be familiar I am sure.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Jesus would never have founded a church as he was a devout Jew. Catholics made that up. “What canst thou say? Art thou a child of the Light, and hast thou walked in the Light, and what thou speakest, is it inwardly from God?”

          • bluedixie

            Read Marks Gospel,chapter 16;14-18. He commanded the disciples to “go and teach all nations”; don’t you read the New Testament ?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yeah, I read the NT. I like Matthew better. There is a lot of merda in the Bible. It really should have a warning on the cover.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            “warning: the following contains violence, sexual innuendo, scenes of violence, torture, sexual assault, all manner of perversitude, racism, sexism & every other ism known or unknown. viewer discretion is advised” Is this the latest Tarantino flick? Nope, its the bible as we know it today.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh yes. Bible has it all. Ought to have a warning label on it.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m sure Apostle Mark didn’t want you adulterous wife killers exploiting fetuses to legally murder aging brood mares. I’m sure he didn’t urge priests to rape forced-birth abandoned kids.

          • bluedixie

            I don’t recall saying anything like that you moron.

          • HeilMary1

            You are demanding we breed ourselves to death to keep your sick heretic pedophile priest-overpopulation ponzi scheme going. You want kids? You go bust YOUR private parts pumping them out!

          • Arekushieru

            There’s a LOT of difference between *teaching* and *founding*. Mmkay…?

          • bluedixie

            Here goes. Jesus also said to Peter, whom he addressed as Cephas – aramaic for rock – thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church. The gates of hell will not prevail against it and I will be with you all days even until the end of time.
            How much more do you want ?

          • HeilMary1

            And Jesus and Peter said ZERO about intersex gays, midwife ABORTIONISTS, plant-based and barrier contraceptives, and sex-hating celibacy. Moreover, I don’t accept HEARSAY misogyny claims as divine commandments.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            having been forceably treated to church related tirades most of my life I somehow missed the part about “thou shalt be slaves” or “thou wilt do whatever Pat Robertson commands no matter how insane”. If that makes me a bad human being feel free to call me an Andorian, Romula or a resident of Rigel Kentaris & I won’t be the least bit insulted.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            a healthy dose of reality would be nice. Oh my but its you, silly me, that won’t be forthcoming from your lips.

          • Arekushieru

            Um, yeah, PETER was the rock. HE was supposed to be the Church. Hmm, do you even read the your bible passages? FFS.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Operative word being TEACH, related to education, something your unfamiliar with. Also not meaning church which has become the antithesis of the real meaning of teaching.

          • HeilMary1

            The Vatican-genocided Cathars who were the direct descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

          • bluedixie

            Most of your comments are so ridiculous that they are funny…………in a weird kind of way.

          • HeilMary1

            That’s because you’re willfully ignorant of history.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            you remind me a friend of a friend used to say CHOCOLATE ONION CAKE when subjected to non sequiters (pardon my spelling) such as yours.. He was kinda sarcastic like me, and had a habit of deflating loonies on a regular basis.

          • colleen2

            this person is entirely ignorant of Church history and chooses to remain that way.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Too bad your so unfamiliar with him.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            No there describing the churches here on Earth not the imaginary world you live in.

          • bluedixie

            My feet are firmly on the ground……….unlike yours.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re standing on a toxic landfill, jackass.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            so thats what you call the pile of poop you fling around? how do you explain that smell?

            On second thought, don’t tell us, somethings are better left unsaid.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          I live in Canada and we have health care thats more universal than our American neighbours. If I did live in the states theres a couple of surgeries I needed that I’d never have had, without which I doubt I’d be walking today. Something the right wing fanatics won’t tell you is theres no “pinko commies” to be found here in Canada either.

          • expect_resistance

            Being a Minnesotan and your neighbor to the south, I heart Canada. Many Minnesotans would like to be annexed by Canada.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Never been to Minnesota heard its a cool place. Last time I was in the states was buffalo in 91 or 92, florida for a weekend a decade earlier. Aside from tiny things like “why’s your money blue?” theres more alike than different.

          • expect_resistance

            Agreed we are more alike than different. Please come to MN if you get a chance. We share Lake of the Woods Lake, Rainy Lake, and Lake Superior with Canada. If you like beautiful forests, lakes, and wilderness then northern MN is for you. But come down to Minneapolis for fun. We have an awesome local music scene and great culture too, theater, art, etc.

            When Bush was elected many of us dreamed about crossing over the boarder via boat to Canada to escape.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If I were to escape I’d do it like Billy bob Thornton in “The Astronaut Farmer”

          • Arekushieru

            What they DON’T get is that Canada is NOT a socialist country. Even if it were, socialism is as far from communism as it is from monarchy. JFC. Hello, fellow Canadian.

        • Arekushieru

          And THAT is how one makes an argument against Obama. I have had it up to here with people who equate Obama with the Right simply because they disagree with one or more of his policies. That is a case of false equivalency, just in the opposite direction that it is NORMALLY used.

          • expect_resistance

            I guess I’m not following your post. Are you saying I’m equating Obama with the Right? No Democrat is nearly left enough for me, not just Obama. Republicans have moved further Right and the Democrats have moved further to the Right too. The left and socialists have been further demonized by the Right and Left. Frankly I feel like I have no political party to belong to. The U.S. two party system sucks. I’m not equating Obama with the Right but as a whole Dems have moved further to the Right.

            I disagree with the Obama administration on foreign policies i.e drones, NDAA, and the NSA, but not on social policies. I think the ACA could be a first step to single payer.

            Could clarify your post?

          • Arekushieru

            Um, I think I was stating that the post was a GOOD argument against Obama? After all, I said that IS how one makes an argument against Obama, then went on to outline how others so often make the BAD argument against Obama, did I not…?

          • expect_resistance

            Thanks for clarifying. Sorry, I’m used to getting chewed out by my friends who are hardcore Democrats for my views.

          • Arekushieru

            Ugh, that is so seriously annoying. I have had the same problem, except in reverse. I get chewed out by people for being a hardcore Democrat, when that is absolutely not the case. They just make the wrong arguments. Like the ones I indicated above.

            And I must apologize for my rather intemperate (?) response. I have a learning disability that makes it difficult for me to organize and express my thoughts coherently. And so many times I’ve been asked to clarify what I mean, then been told that there was no need to be snotty, even though I was fed up with constant requests to ‘educate’ others, because, of course, this was only the first time ever that I had been asked to clarify something. Or basically have them imply that I have no right to feel anger because I’m too stupid or something.

            Of course, this was all long before I realized where this anger and frustration was building from. I think that’s, at least partly, why I can see how black women have every right to be offended when someone asks them to ‘educate’ them.

          • expect_resistance

            No worries. I know you’re cool. I used to post here are rebellious grrl and remember your epic posts in response to the MRA trolls. I’ve always considered your posts to be articulate.

          • Arekushieru

            Ah, so THAT’S who you are. I remember you, TOO. :) LOVE your posts, as well!

          • HeilMary1

            You express yourself very well, especially on these political minefield topics.

          • Arekushieru

            THANKS! :)

          • expect_resistance

            (Sorry if this is a double post. It’s showing up in my disqus file but not on the RH site.)

            I guess I’m not following your post. Are you saying I’m equating Obama with the Right? No Democrat is nearly left enough for me, not just Obama. Republicans have moved further Right and the Democrats have moved further to the Right too. The left and socialists have been further demonized by the Right and Left. Frankly, I feel like I have no political party to belong to. The U.S. two party system sucks. I’m not equating Obama with the Right but as a whole Dems have moved further to the Right.

            I disagree with the Obama administration on foreign policies i.e drones, NDAA, and the NSA, but not on social policies. I think the ACA could be a first step to single payer.

      • jovan1984

        The misogynistic leaders in the Catholic Church are the ones committing infantcide, as well as femicide. Obama, at the very least, are protecting women and babies. Something that protesting against a woman’s right to abortion has never done!

        • bluedixie

          What a ridiculous statement. Are you totally ignorant of the facts ?

          • HeilMary1

            Have you never heard of the Inquisition and witch trials?

          • bluedixie

            Yes of course. Perhaps you could explain the connection with the subject under discussion and why don’t we bring in the Crusades as well ?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The RCC has a history of murdering and oppressing other Catholics, women, gay folk and children that is chilling. And they do their best to keep it that way.

          • bluedixie

            For RCC substitute the USA. Now you’re right.

          • HeilMary1

            If you mean pedophile Cardinal Spelman pushing the Vietnam war in order to punish and exterminate “heretic” Buddhist “communists” for refusing to allow pedophile missionaries to rape their kids, then, yes, I agree the US military committed genocide on behalf of your WAR-PROFITEERING and human trafficking RCC.

          • bluedixie

            I never realised Cardinal Spellman was a four star general. Could have sworn it was your C in C who decided Ngo than Diem (sorry if spelling is incorrect) needed assistance to combat communist guerillas from the north. Actually if the US along with France (the occupying power) had listened to Uncle Ho in the early stages hostilities might well have been averted and lots of Americans would still have been alive today.

          • HeilMary1

            Spellman, who also welcomed Nazi war criminals into the US, lobbied the Pentagon for an invasion to “protect Catholics”. Catholic extremist Madam Nhu, denounced by her own dad as a psychopath, cheered the extermination of Buddhist “communists”.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            What the right wing fanatics fail to mention is the “communists” they claim to hate are more often athiests than those in our corner of the world.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            During both of which the facts were readily ignored.

          • HeilMary1

            Inquisitors hate it when “heretics” are right!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            In that light we should be proud of heretic status. I for 1 have been called worse by such lunatics.

          • jovan1984

            No. You are the one totally ignorant of everything.

          • bluedixie

            Obama protecting women and babies ! Now I’ve heard everything – oh except for femicide. Did you make that up as well ?

          • HeilMary1

            You’re the femicider here, using fetuses instead of your fists.

          • bluedixie

            Where do I find that word in the OED ?

          • Arekushieru

            WHO are the ones that cut WIC, TANF, food stamps, SNAP and other welfare programs that SUPPORT women and ACTUAL babies in the US? Hmm…? It sure wasn’t OBAMA. WHO are the ones who caused the current government shutdown by attempting to render the Affordable Care Act toothless thereby denying the poor and minorities the right to life? It wasn’t Obama. OOPS. (Btw, I’m fucking Canadian, and I know this better than YOU???)

          • HeilMary1

            Confederate dixie thinks starving the poor and disabled for GOP billionaire stock options is “pro-life personal responsibility”. That’s simply newfangled newspeak Nazi Darwinism.

          • Arekushieru

            When you can stop equating infanticide with abortion, THEN we’ll be ones to talk. DERP.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Which facts? Cite them.

          • bluedixie

            50 million unborn killed by abortion in the USA since it was legalised. That is a fact.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The “unborn?” Is that kind of like The Undead?

          • bluedixie

            Are you really ignorant or simply trying to wind me up ?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            There are other possibilities. Think about it.

          • bluedixie

            Forgive me if I choose not to waste my time.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            That is why you suck at argument. No creativity or thought goes into your merda.

          • bluedixie

            Takes one to know one.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The difference between us is obvious to everyone.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Yet you continue to waste our time. If your drivel was more intelligent it could almost be funny.

            Almost.

          • goatini

            Plum is correct. Do you call yourself an “undead corpse”?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I think we’re looking at 1 of the villains from John Carpenters “They Live”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Yet the most ignorant is always the 1 to cast the first stone. yes we’re looking at you sockpuppet.

          • HeilMary1

            At least 1 in 3 women have had the same number of abortions they’ve always had throughout human and American history, whether abortion was legal or not. You’re just livid that legalized abortion isn’t decimating the same number of women that illegal abortions did.

          • bluedixie

            I can’t think of a polite reply to that…..which failed completely to answer my point.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Women have abortions when they’re legal and when they’re illegal. The abortion rate after 1973 did not rise dramatically–it’s pretty much remained the same. American women who could afford it were able to get safe abortions, even if they had to travel somewhere else, such as England or Wales in the late ’60s. And women who couldn’t afford it went to back-alley butchers or resorted to even more desperate and often deadly means to end their pregnancies.

          • BJ Survivor

            Very true. The only thing that changed is that the septic abortion wards evaporated practically overnight. Same thing happened in South Africa when it legalized abortion in 1997. Septic abortion wards are a fact of life in Catholic countries.

          • expect_resistance

            No, she did answer your point. Abortion has been around for thousands of years. The earliest recorded record of an abortion technique is from 3000s BC and held at the Royal Archives of China.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            firstly you’ve never been polite so why would you start now? secondly the only point is under your hat.

          • HeilMary1

            LOL! He must ruin a lot of baseball caps!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            More like the infamous “dunce caps” in schools or his clown hat. Actually that quote is from a long forgotten usenet troll which in this instance is quite fitting.

          • goatini

            The actual FACT is that 50 million living, breathing women exercised their civil, human and Constitutional rights to personal bodily autonomy. We are NOT livestock and we have the RIGHT to self-determination.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Come up with some facts first then come back and talk. But you won’t as the facts prove you wrong….again.

          • bluedixie

            As you would’nt believe anything I say there is no point. But for the record not all priests are child abusers and presumably the leftists are probably not all loony and misguided.

          • HeilMary1

            Most priests lead double lives by hiding affairs with adults of both sexes. Dr. Richard Sipe knows 50 women forced by their lover priests to get abortions. Catholic adoptions hide the secret love children of priests who refused to use condoms. The Legion of Christ’s second leader, who took over after founder Marciel Maciel was exposed as an equal opportunity rapist and deadbeat daddy, was also forced to resign because of HIS love child with a GOP princess.

          • bluedixie

            You can of course prove these statements !

          • HeilMary1

            Google Dr. Richard Sipe and Abuse Tracker to see the mountains of evidence.

          • goatini

            You deny Maciel’s egregious offenses?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            pixie no doubt would deny the sky is blue which itself I find to be a humourous irony.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Why whould anyone believe you when you keep proving yourself the liar?
            Ooops you’ve done it again.

          • goatini

            Jovan is completely accurate. The RCC considers females to be nothing more than livestock. If your cow dies, get another cow (aka Catholic Divorce).

            PS, I’m Catholic and these ARE facts.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            You might think you hit the nail on the head but you can’t hit the floor if you fell on it.

      • Arekushieru

        The Christian Left are less godless than the Christian Right, who believe that God is a misogynistic, war-mongering, cruel, hateful, tyrannical individual. Iow, much like SATAN is SUPPOSED to be. Abortion isn’t infanticide. But… please DO keep proving your IGNORANCE.

        • HeilMary1

          If fetal idolaters believed their own nonsense, they’d hold non-stop funerals for “baby” tampons.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          I been thinking along a similar line. that what the current religious climate promotes as “God” is some one else entirely, and quite the opposite of who God really is.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        a goddless church, congratulations you’ve just proven that indeed you spew with no concept of what you’ve spilled through your keyboard. As we speak your isp is probably posting your picture on the notice board with the memo stating “don’t let this fool back online!”

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      go further and tax all televangelists who are among the richest in this society at the same rates as the middle class. That would put some dent in the deficit right there.

  • Bob W. Ryley

    The United States Council of Catholic Bishops should focus on keeping their child abusing rank and file clergy in check. I wonder if the health insurance the Church provides to its ALL MALE CLERGY provides a prescription benefit for Viagra and similar “medicatons”. And if so, why?

    • HeilMary1

      Of course, recreational Viagra is covered for pedophile and playboy priests and adulterous GOP politicians, while maternal life-saving contraception is banned for all women because priests and politicians can never have enough victims/conquests.

  • HeilMary1

    I judge the RCC by its history of abuse, not its benign spin.

  • bitchybitchybitchy

    One more reason why the tax exemption for religious institution be ended. These people are hiding behind their beliefs for political reasons, nothing more. I’m really, really tired of a group of celibate old men holding women around the world hostage to their antiquated and hateful fears.

    • HeilMary1

      And these “celibate” men are mostly sexual hypocrites and criminals.

      • AugustineThomas

        They have a far lower rate of crime than you and your secularist friends.

        • HeilMary1

          Google Abuse Tracker to see what a liar you are, mother killer.

        • colleen2

          The systematic, global, institutionalized emotional, physical and sexual abuse of children in their care by Catholic clergy is well established.

        • neil allen

          That is a standard Catholic lie.

          Catholic child rape was organized crime, with 4,392 admitted, substantiated, accused child sex offending priests, according to the Catholic church’s own John Jay report of 2004. No institution in US history is even close.

          Catholics are getting the dishonesty out there, though.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          You forgot to mention the followup story on fox news, that being the earths rotation has reversed and the sun now rises in the west.

        • HeilMary1

          Secularists don’t commit religious genocide.

        • HeilMary1

          How about German Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst who got caught lying about the $31 MILLION he spent on his lavish palace?

          Spiegel reports:
          “‘Senator’ status with Lufthansa requires at least 100,000 annual status miles.”
          The bishop flew “Senator” first class to visit Indian slums. This makes me wonder if he frequently flies to sex tourist havens for some “missionary r & r”!

          “All of the structures on the property are linked by corridors and underground passageways, which the bishop’s lawyers say are for ‘logistical reasons.'”

          Hmmm… to sneak in rent boys and girls without being caught??

        • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

          Really Augustine? Hmmmm.

          Maybe you ought to get your head out of your leaders moralistically bankrupt buttholes and do some real research n the sexual hypocrites and criminals of the Unholy Roman Catholic Church of Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Ephebophiles and the Leader Enablers.

          I came out of the priest rape and torture closet three years ago after suffering for over 38 years, thinking I was going to burn for an eternity in hell if I said anything about what the disgusting, Ephebophile priest did to me.

          I wonder Augustine, if you could deal with actually believing you are going to spend an eternity in hell, just like in your nightmares, being gang raped by priests, bishops, popes and the demons of hell? See these are tricky scumbags, they KNOW if you were brought up in the RCC like myself and tens of thousands, hell hundreds of thousands of children and teens whom were raped, beaten and mind, heart and soul tortured by your priests: hell, Satan, etc are VERY REAL and it is also drilled into your head that what ever a priest says…it is as if God himself is speaking to you. How would you FEEL if you are a scared as heck child and some priest tells you if you do not allow him to suck your dick off so he can suck the evil out of you, or forces you to suck him off and receive his sacred sacrement, or he rapes you anally, all the while forcing you to say for penance the Our Father and the Hail Mary all the while telling you that if you tell ANYONE about his special healing, you will spend an eternity roasting in hell…..

          ….well I guess if YOU went through all of this…why you would just forgive your perverted, degenerate rapist priest, turn the other cheek and hopefully it is not your now reamed out butt cheeks….and not seek one bit of justice for yourself against the crimes or the criminals whom perpetrated those crimes against you right?

          What if you found out your local Bishop or Cardinal had covered up dozens upon dozens of these crimes? Oh and you find out if the Bishop or Cardinal of your Diocese covered up for your rapist priest and if they had not of, if they had put the safety of the children before the scumbag child rapist priests, and had them arrested, tried and upon conviction given life in prison without parole…….then you might NOT have been raped and then made to suffer decades of a living hell…that is if you are one of the unlucky ones who could no longer face these morally bankrupt souless and evil religious freaks had done to them….so they killed themselves.

          Then we surivivors gotta hear your Cardinals and such scumbags like Bill Donohue, blame us victims, tell us we are the evil ones and are at fault. Say we came onto these scumbags, Say that if we did not punch them in the faces then we were faggots who loved what happened to us. That we are liars, gold diggers, looking for a payday from the church. That it is not a pedophile problem but a homosexual problem. Then we are doubly condemned because we are told well you did not punch your rapist priest in the cock suckers so that makes you a faggot…oh and btw…faggots are an abomination to god and therefor you are also going to hell…because you did NOT punch your faggot rapist priest in the mouth while he was raping you…talk about a twisted mind rape there eh?

          Yeah blame the victims…that always goes over well like a lead ballon with us.

          So FYI. In the United States alone there are now over 5,000 credibly accused pedophile, hebephile and ephebophile priests. Just last week one priest was busted after putting up ads on Craigslist for a kid…he was busted by the cops with a young boy in the front seat with the kids pants down…then it was found out he had been moved 15 times and went through the RCC sex therapy three times…all covered up by the local Bishop and Cardinal.

          Check out what is going on in NSW and Australia, Check out Ireland, England, Germany, Italy. Check out the Central American countries. Why just last week this Pope fired two Bishops for messing with children.

          This is a massive problem of child rapists in your church and it continues to this very day. So Augustine…maybe you ought to sit down and have a face to face with me and see all the data and information I have on this worldwide epidemic that still happens to this very day by the perverts of the Unholy Roman Catholic Church of Degenerates.

          • expect_resistance

            I’m very sorry for what happened to you. Thank you for sharing your story. It’s really sick how the RCC engages in victim blaming and covering up the horrible sick fucked up abuse. Thank you for being here and shedding light on this very real problem that RCC supporters like Augustine think don’t exist.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Pew Polishers and Apologists like Augustine need to be put in prison for society’s protection…especially for the protection of kids…because in all of my research, in all of my therapy, in all of my dealing with pedophiles….I have come to learn….only a fellow pedophile defends other pedophiles and makes excuses for them.

          • HeilMary1

            Yup!

          • HeilMary1

            Exactly!

          • HeilMary1

            Thanks for surviving and speaking up! And sexual abuse is only HALF of the story!

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Thank you Heil. This is one survivor whom is going to see to it all those leaders whom covered up these crimes…go to where they belong…in prison…finding out what it is like to be raped in the showers. Maybe if they experienced what it is like…then they may not be so willing to rape kids.

          • CSN

            Sexual Abuse? You’re advocating the destruction of innocent unborn babies and you scream sexual abuse? Nothing is further from the truth when you put all your cards together, all you have is a lot of ranting and nothing to back you up. I’m not with the Post Vatican II Church, and we don’t have Sex Scandals or believe in Abortion, Contraception, etc. Keep up the illusions. There’s a dark hot place in hell for people like you.

          • goatini

            No babies are ever harmed in any way whatsoever in a safe, legal pregnancy termination.

            Fetuses cannot be “innocent”, because the capacity for innocence requires the capacity for sentience.

            We know that Ratzinger abdicated to avoid child abuse prosecution, and that Wojtyła knew all about the criminals in the Priesthood.

            And like I said before, send us a postcard from the torrid climes.

          • CSN

            Safe, legal termination? Do you have any idea what the heck you’re talking about? Are are you invincibly ignorant because you don’t want to face facts. How would you like your limbs torn apart with a giant suction machine? Do you think that would be sterile and safe? Or burned alive with acid? You think that would feel just great? Ratzinger quit because he’s ill. Got anymore fables to list on this poor excuse for a blog? By the way, the stench in Hell is very bad also, so get used to it, as you stink to high Heavens already.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Goatini knows, you don’t. And we know how you found out what hell smells like. But unlike those who schooled you so thoroughly you nave no facts to face.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well I was going to ask if you could possibly get any more histrionics into that little fact-free rant of yours, but since you’re already practically foaming at the mouth I won’t bother.

          • CSN

            They don’t want me to give links here, so this is a list in a nutshell:
            1. Suction Abortion (First 3 months) – This powerful method of abortion tears the baby limb from limb and sucks it from the womb along with the placenta. The babies remains are put into a waste bottle (They must examine remains to see if they got all the parts)
            2. Dilation and Curettage (D & C) (Used after 12 weeks) Forceps are inserted into the womb, after cervix is dilated, and baby is extracted piece by piece. A Curette is a sharp knife with a loop, inserted and used to scrape away any of the remaining baby or placenta.
            3. Dilation and Extraction (D & E) (Used after 13 weeks) The cervix is dilated and the unborn child is dismembered with plier-like forceps. Force is needed to pull the baby apart. The babies spine is snapped and skull is crushed.
            4. Partial Birth Abortion, From 4th Month to the end of the 9th Month: Forceps are used to pull the babies feet to the birth canal, delivering the baby feet first…except for the head. Scissors are then used to puncture the base of the back of the head. A suction device is then used to suction out the babies brain and collapse the skull. The DEAD BABY is then removed.
            5. Saline Amniocentesis: Used after 16 weeks. A salt solution is injected into the amniotic fluid sac. The baby breathes and swallows it and dies over an hour later with acute salt poisoning. The mother then delivers a dead burned baby.
            6. Inter-Cardiac Injections: Poison is injected into the heart or chest of the fetus, through a long needle inserted through the Mother’s abdomen. The dead baby is absorbed. (Ever had a heart attack? Feels just great!)
            7. Late Term Abortion Method (Prostlaglandin) Prostlaglandin is injected into the amniotic sac causing pre-mature delivery and delivery of a DEAD BABY. This is the method most used by Dr. Gosnell, of the “Cut the Babies Spine if Born Alive” method.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Once again, heavy on histrionics and light on any actual facts.

          • fiona64

            You are so full of crap. And that’s to say nothing of the fact that you cribbed, copied, pasted and *plagiarized* this whole thing from an anti-choice site.

          • CSN

            I never pasted, nor copied anything. I got this information from a reliable source. You get your information from the Post-Abortion Cartel, which seeks to smooth over FACTS about torture of innocent unborn babies in the womb. Dr. Gosnell is just the tip of the iceburg.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You copied and pasted it from an anti-choice site.

          • fiona64

            You’re a goddamned liar. All I had to do was pick one sentence, paste it into Google, and I found your source: an anti-choice website called prolife dot com. Just for fun, I pulled the biggest, steamingest piece of pullshit out of your post, the part about saline amniocentesis. And here’s the very first hit: http://www.prolife.com/abormeth.html

            Everyone can see that you cut, pasted and *plagiarized.*

            You haven’t posted anything factual, just a bunch of histrionic nonsense. That you stole.

          • osiote

            This is what a standard abortion looks like you moronic shit eating fuckwit:

            http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls6w7phG8f1qi68z9.jpg

            61% of abortions are before 9 weeks
            91% before 13 weeks

            More would be before 8 weeks if you and your shitgobbling pro-life buddies didn’t oppose telemed abortions.

          • CSN

            What you are showing here is not an abortion at 8 weeks, 9 weeks or 13 weeks. Don’t know what you got here, but it ain’t what you think it is. Most women don’t even know they are pregnant until 13 weeks (Picture), as a woman can still flow, even though pregnant, well into her third month. You’re figures don’t add up. 91% at 13 Weeks, so the 61% of abortions at 9 weeks should be 9%. Do the math.

          • CSN

            I’ve posted pictures and links and they’ve been removed from this site. The author doesn’t want any truth pictures, just this bimbo of a non-picture here, to fool the masses into thinking abortion isn’t unsavory murder.
            Your adjectives cannot hurt me, but your abortion ideals will send you to hell.

          • osiote

            I have shown you what a real abortion looks like you dumb inbred fuck

          • CSN

            I just have one question for you….who is your Father, or do you know that information?

          • fiona64

            I have just one question for you: how many times a week do you go home with your teeth in a paper sack, if that’s the way you speak to total strangers?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Adoption fool, heard of it? adopted people rarely know their birth parents.

          • fiona64

            Sorry you’re too stupid to recognize the truth when it’s put in front of you …

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Reading your vile diatribes is hell on its own.

          • Ella Warnock

            Awww, one widdle mean old website won’t allow you to post your propaganda. Aren’t you just so mistreated. Well, you can always peddle your crap on one of your echo chambers, Jill Stanek and the like.

            Oh, oooops, you weren’t REFERRING to me. Feel free to just ignore me, then. If you can.

          • osiote
          • CSN

            Are you the author of this article? You don’t seem to allow anyone to post convincing pictures of real abortions at 9 and up to 20 weeks. How is it that this site doesn’t want any ‘TRUE PICTURES” to be posted. No freedom of speech or of the press here.

          • osiote

            You must obey the dance commander

            Givin’ out the order for fun

            You must obey the dance commander

            You know that he’s the only one

            Who gives the orders here,

            Alright

            Who gives the orders here,

            Alright

            It would be awesome

            If we could dance-a

            It would be awesome, yeah

            Let’s take the chance-a

            It would be awesome, yeah

            Let’s start the show

            Because you never know

            You never know

            You never know until you go

            Alright

            Alright

            …who gives the orders here

            Alright

            …who gives the orders here

            Alright

            The lines are drawn, the orders are in

            The dance commander’s ready to sin

            Radio message from HQ

            Dance commander, we love you.

            Let’s get this party started right, y’all.

            Let’s get this party started right.

            I went to the store to get more

            Fire… to start the war

            Everybody in this club is whack

            I feel like I’m headed straight for a heart attack

            Girls are pretty

            Girls are nice

            Take your chances

            Roll the dice.

            Take your chances…

            It would be awesome

            If we could dance-a

            It would be awesome, yeah

            Let’s take the chance-a

            It would be awesome, yeah

            Let’s start the show

            Because you never know

            You never know

            You never know until you go

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            I wanna make it last forever

            Ooo, baby!

            Alright

            Alright

            You must obey the dance commander

            You must obey the dance commander

            You must obey the dance commander

            You must obey the dance commander

            Come on!

            Come on, come on, come on, come on

            Come on…

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            racism & sexism isn’t covered under freedom of speach.

          • expect_resistance

            If you think the Catholic church is the only Christian church that has a sexual abuse problem, think again. Anecdotally, two of my male friends were abused by their pastors. One killed himself because he couldn’t deal with the long-term depression from the abuse and the other has suffered severe depression from the abuse.

            BTW, no one is killing babies. If you think so call the police.

          • CSN

            Women were arrested for having abortions before 1973. Back then they said it was murder.

          • fiona64

            Citation needed. Thanks in advance.

          • expect_resistance

            You’re so full of shit. Abortion was legal before it was illegal, and now too bad for you it’s the law of the land. Boo hoo. Abortion has been around for 4,000 years. You and your misogynistic ilk can’t force women to be your broodmares. When you grow a uterus let me know. Otherwise piss off.

          • CSN

            Abortion was never legal before it was illegal. You’re speaking like a fool and a dunce. You are obviously very uneducated and lacking in understanding about pre-1973 Abortion crimes. No, Abortion was never legal before it was illegal. Murder was termed murder before Roe vs. Wade reversed it to unborn babies being born “non-persons”. Just as the Supreme Court ruled that “Black Negro Slaves” were non-persons, so they have termed an unborn baby, a non-person, which is why they are now killed without mercy every single day by the thousands in Aborticide MIlls. America will pay for that in the near future. It is a sin which cries to Heaven for vengeance.

          • fiona64

            Abortion was never legal before it was illegal.

            What kind of a dumbfuck believes this? Seriously. Abortion was only illegal for about 90 years in this country … and that was because, frankly, male physicians didn’t want female midwives cutting in on their income.

            You might want to read up on the matter. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/abortionuslegal/a/abortion.htm

            And I’m still awaiting your citation for women being arrested for having abortions pre-Roe.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Hmmm thousands a day. You must think wrestling is real too, or else your just a paul hayman kinda guy.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            no sex scandals eh? I guess you missed everything from the 80’s onwards. On that subject show me a televangelist without a sex scandal and I’ll show you the easter bunny.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So you’re an apologist for pedophilia. Somehow I’m not surprised.

          • osiote
          • CSN

            This is the first 24 hours of a babies formation. Most babies are aborted by 10 to 13 weeks, and are far more viable than this. All of the pictures and links I’ve posted to refute your idiot pictures have been taken off of this site, which only goes to prove that this site doesn’t want any truth to be seen by anyone posting here.

          • fiona64

            Dummy, no fetus at 13 weeks is even remotely viable. Go back to high school biology class — and this time, pay attention.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            sorry nobody sees your imaginary pictures that you have (not) posted. Sorry but you cannot redo.

            Some NERV you have, I glad its not in my tooth.

        • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

          Check out Bishops Accountability website just for the perverts in the United States. You can also see their huge graph listing of 5.000 priests and nuns, bishops and cardinals, and others of the RCC whom were credibly accused just in the United States. Many of them on this listing have in fact been convicted and/or plead guilty. Those on the list against whom there was credible evidence against and were not charged or convicted was due to the Statue of Limitations which the RCC uses to fight each and every survivor of their crimes.

          Then look into the Magdalene Laundries, the Good Shepherd Laundries, the problems and investigations in Ireland, New South Wales, Australia, England and many other countries. Look at the new child rape horrors now coming out of the Central American countries that the RCC have now sent their pedophile, hebephiles and ephebophiles to and their leaders whom covered it up. Look at the two Bishops fired by Pope Francis and that mess that is now being exposed.

          IF YOU THINK THE UNHOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OF DEGENERATE PEDOPHILES, HEBEPHILES AND EPHEBOPHILES AND THEIR LEADERS WHO COVER THIS UP IS OVER? IF YOU THINK THEY CLEANED UP THEIR ACTS? IF YOU THINK THEY ARE ACTUALLY KEEPING THEIR WORDS TO THOSE OF US WHOM WERE RAPED, TORTURED AND BRUTALIZED BY THEIR DISGUSTING PRIESTS AND PSYCHOTIC NUNS? I GOT A FREAKING PIECE OF TOAST WITH THE ETCHING OF JESUS I WILL SELL YOU FOR A BILLION DOLLARS..OH AND IT CRIES JUST LIKE THOSE HYPOCRITES DO.

          • CSN

            Frank….that is Post Vatican II Drivel. The Church which claims it is “Catholic” today is “Masonic” only, and not the “True “Church”. Go to Youtube and listen to Fr. O’Connell’s sermon on what happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II. He exposes the Homosexual connections, etc. I don’t belong to that Apostate catholic church.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Screw you. You truly are a psycho aren’t you?

            Stop stalking me and stop posting to me. I want nothing more of your insane excuses and your bs.

          • CSN

            Please do me a favor and go to WFTS Catholic Radio by googling that site. That is the Church I belong, and not this false catholic church which breeds homosexual pedophile priests.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            which other catholic church do you refer to? possibly the 1 attended by Barney & the teletubbies along with peewee herman & the tooth fairy. Or the church who banned Santa cause his names an anagram for satan?

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            I COULD CARE LESS WHICH CATHOLIC CHURCH YOU BELONG TO OR WHAT YOU CLAIM ABOUT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?

            Stop it NOW CSN.

            PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU RAPE A CHILD, YOU BEAT A CHILD, OR YOU COVER UP THESE CRIMES, YOU DESERVE TO BE ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED AND UPON CONVICTION IMPRISONED…AND THAT GOES FOR ALL THE PRIESTS, CARDINALS, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS AND OTHERS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.OR ANY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION CAUSE THIS SAME PROBLEM IS RAMPANT IN THE EVANGELICAL AND THE JEWISH CHURCHES.

        • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

          This is a typical piss ant bs crap we survivors of your degenerate priests have to listen to.

          “The Roman Catholic Church does not have a pedophile problem, it has a homosexual problem. If 81% of the victims are male and 100% of the vicimizers are male, and if 78% of the victims are post-pubescent, the word in the English language is not pedophilia, it’s called homosexuality.”

          Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League for the Defense of Degenerate Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Ephebophiles and their Leaders.

          NO MR DONOHUE IT IS NOT CALLED HOMOSEXUALITY WHAT YOUR DEGENERATES HAVE DONE TO US.

          For perverts like your rapist priests whom prefer children under the age of 11 they are in fact called PEDOPHILES.

          For perverts like your rapist priests whom prefer children between the age of 11 through 14 they are called HEBEPHILIES.

          For perverts like your rapist priests whom prefer children from the ages of 15 through 19 they are called EPHEBOPHILES.

          Cardinal Timothy Dolan also explained that he wanted to keep the statute of limitations for child sex abuse victims to one-year, because if the church gets sued, “The perpetrators don’t suffer. There’s no burden on them. What suffers are the services and the ministries of the apostolates that we’re doing now. Because where does the money come from? So the bishops of 30 years ago that allegedly may have reassigned abusers, they don’t suffer. They’re dead. So the people that suffer are those who are being served right now by the church. We feel that’s a terribly unjust burden.”

          YUPPERS THERE DOLAN…NOT ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE TERRIBLE UNJUST BURDEN, THE SUFFERING AND THE HARM DONE TO THE VICTIMS OF YOUR DISGUSTING PEDOPHILES, HEBEPHILES AND EPHEBOPHILES…NOPE ONLY THE FACT OF YOUR SUFFERING BECAUSE IF THEY DID IN FACT GET RID OF ALL STATUE OF LIMITATIONS FOR CRIMES LIKE THESE…DOLAN AND THE REST WOULD BE IN PRISON SHOWERS PICKING UP THE SOAP FOR THE BOYS AND FINDING OUT WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE A TOTALLY DEFENSELESS, FRIGHTENED OUT OF THEIR WITS VICTIMS OF RAPE.

          • expect_resistance

            The statement by Donohue, “The Roman Catholic Church does not have a pedophile problem, it has a homosexual problem” and the constant victim blaming by the RCC enrages me.

            I grew up Catholic but had no idea to the extent of the abuse. Maybe I was naive. It’s so messed up I don’t know what to say. I left the church when I was 19 because of misogyny and the lowly position of women in the church. I am pro-choice and was sick of the church telling me I would go to hell if I had sex outside of marriage or had an abortion.

            What these priests have done makes me sick to my stomach. It has to end. There should be no statue of limitations for child abuse and these priests should be fully prosecuted.

          • CSN

            So now you have sex outside of marriage and practice abortions galore….wow you’ve really come a long way….hope you can stand the heat in hell.

          • goatini

            Send us a postcard from the torrid climes.

          • expect_resistance

            This is one of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever read. If hell actually existed, which it doesn’t, the pedophile priests and bishops will be there not me. Women are independent beings that are not broodmares for Christ. If you don’t like that or accept that then boo hoo, to fucking bad.

          • CSN

            You’ll win the prize for nonsense and if you don’t like pedophiles, neither do I, nor do I like pedophile priests, who entered in droves after the Second Vatican Council, as it was a Robber Council. That is another story and another history. Women are not men, and men are not women. A woman is not meant to kill her own young before they are born, after they are born, are any time inbetween. Women have a role and place in the world, but your head is on backwards, and thus you think like a Femnist, but good luck with that one. How many marriages or unmarriages and how many broken relationships do have on your record?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Wow. You really are a hateful old git, aren’t you?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            yet here you are still supporting pedophiles, and blaming their victims for “broken marriages”.

          • expect_resistance

            It must really challenge your masculinity that women have the right to bodily autonomy. (And I can see you’re a ‘master of the english’ language too. – eye roll) I don’t “think I’m a feminist” — I KNOW I’m a feminist. To narrow it down, I’m an eco-feminist anarchist socialist. I’m also a pagan. Ooooh that must be scary to you.

            Your assumptions only illustrate your ignorance. The only blood on my hands is the blood from changing my tampon today. Your assumptions only show how very little you know about me, how little you know about feminists.

            I see you’ve bought into the conservative revisionist history of Margaret Sander. Again, how foolish of you. I pity your lack of intellect and knowledge of history.

            A little education for you about Margaret Sanger:

            Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

            Compiled by Anna Holley, SisterSong Intern – July 2010

            Opponents of abortion promote myths and half-truths about Margaret Sanger in the African American community and elsewhere. This brief research summation is meant to dispel such falsified information distributed by those opposed to abortion and who are determined to distort her impressive historical legacy of enabling reproductive freedom for all women as a pioneering advocate for birth control. Sanger’s opponents use quotes taken out of context, exaggerations and outright falsehoods to paint a grim and racist picture of Sanger. It is important that we, as African American women, examine the historical evidence for ourselves to avoid the pitfalls of historical revisionism. While some falsify the evidence, others attempt to whitewash uncomfortable facts. We consulted with experts on Sanger’s life, reviewed primary historical source documents, and received valuable assistance from the archivists at Smith College and New York University.

            Sanger’s Campaign for Birth Control

            Having grown up in a progressive household, Margaret Sanger began to question the medical industry as a result of her mother’s death of tuberculosis in 1896. Shortly after, she began challenging medical ignorance. Sanger trained as a nurse and began working in the slums of New York City. From working in desperate conditions, Sanger had the opportunity to observe the hardships of poor mothers who pleaded for information on controlling their fertility. Convinced that the lack of birth control and oversized families were a primary cause of poverty, Sanger became a social radical and joined the Socialist Party. After publishing a monthly newspaper advising women to limit the size of their families, she was arrested and fled to Europe to continue her research on birth control methods. Because of the 1875 Comstock Law prohibiting the spread of information about contraceptives in the U.S., information was more freely available in Europe.

            Upon her return to the United States in 1916, she moved back to New York City to open up a birth control clinic in the slums. Yet again, she was arrested and spent a month in prison with her sister who acted as her partner. Spending time in prison only encouraged Sanger to intensify her work. She began lecturing more, raising money, and writing for her new publication: Birth Control Review, where she encouraged liberalization of state and federal laws regarding fertility control. By 1930, she had established fifty-five birth control clinics across the country. Reaching worldwide fame, Sanger spoke at the first World Population Conference in Geneva, Switzerland and continued to push the United States government to allow for easier distribution of contraceptives and sex education.

            The American Birth Control Movement finally gained public approval by 1940. As her last act in the movement, she founded the International Planned Parenthood Federation in 1946.[1] Today, Margaret Sanger’s accomplishments are recognized in a different light used to fuel anti-abortion activism across the country. Without acknowledging the complexities of the time, her work is often deemed pro-genocide and racist. However, her words and actions are often taken out of context instead of revealing a complicated woman and her true dedication to women’s lives.

            Margaret Sanger’s Core Principles

            A woman’s right to control her body is the foundation of her human rights

            Every person should decide when to have a child

            Every child should be wanted and loved

            Women deserve sexual pleasure and fulfillment

            Eugenics and African Americans

            When the movement for birth control began, organizers like Margaret Sanger believed that fertility control was linked to upward social mobility for all women, regardless of race or immigrant status. [2]

            Because the medical establishment largely opposed birth control, Sanger initially emphasized woman-controlled methods that did not depend on medical assistance. Her arguments persuaded middle-class women, both Black and white, to use birth control when available.[2]

            Sanger’s immediate effect on African American women was to help transform their covert support for and use of family planning into the visible public support of activists in the Club Movement. But African-American women envisioned an even more pointed concept of reproductive justice: the freedom to have, or not to have, children.

            The early feminism of the birth control movement, which promoted equality and reproductive rights for all women regardless or race or economic status, collapsed under the weight of support offered by the growing number of nativist whites. Under the influence of eugenicists, Sanger changed her approach, as did other feminists. [3]

            In 1919, Sanger’s American Birth Control League began to rely heavily for legitimacy on medical doctors and the growing eugenics movement.[2] The eugenics movement provided scientific and authoritative language that legitimated women’s right to contraception.[4] This co-optation of the birth control movement produced racist depopulation policies and doctor-controlled birth control technology.[5]

            Birth control was demanded as a right and an option for privileged women, but through public policy at the hands of the government, it became an obligation for the poor.[6]

            Sanger launched the Negro Project, designed by Sanger’s Birth Control Federation in 1939. It hired several African-American ministers to travel through the South to recruit African-American doctors. The project proposal included a quote by W.E.B. Dubois, saying that “the mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among Whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.” [7] This quote, often mistakenly attributed to Sanger, reflected the shared race and class biases of the project’s founders. The Negro Project relied on Black ministers because of its white sponsors’ belief that “the most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.” [8]

            Among the quotations frequently and incorrectly credited to Sanger is, “More children from the fit, less from the unfit—that is the chief issue of birth control.” It is so widely misattributed to her that it appeared on the wall of an International Center for Photography exhibit on eugenics. Another common offender showed up in a recent fundraising letter from Priests for Life: “Colored people are like human weeds and have to be exterminated.” The historian Esther Katz, director of the Margaret Sanger Papers Project at New York University, explains that Sanger never said anything of the sort. [9]

            “According to the ‘Black genocide’ movement, Sanger worked in cahoots with the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis to advance a theory of White supremacy and forced sterilization. The truth is more complicated than this caricature. Sanger did embrace ideas about eugenics that were popular in the 1920s; the eugenics movement offered her legitimacy, says [Ellen] Chesler, adding that

            ‘Margaret Sanger had no choice but to engage eugenics. It was a mainstream movement, like public health or the environment today. It was to sanitize birth control and remove it from the taint of immorality and the taint of feminism, which was seen as an individualistic and antisocial group that addressed the needs of women only, and immoral women at that’” [Italics in original]. [9]

            “…Most eugenicists didn’t believe in birth control and were hostile to the idea of women’s bodily autonomy. Sanger, conversely, derided what she called ‘cradle competition’ by leaders angling for higher birthrates among the White upper class and said women’s first procreative duty was not to the state, nor their race, but to themselves. She believed women’s reproductive choices should be voluntary and individualistic.” [9]

            “She believed women were natural eugenicists,” explains Alex Sanger, “and that birth control, which could limit the number of children and improve their quality of life, was the panacea to accomplish this.” [9] (Alex Sanger is Margaret Sanger’s grandson).

            “When Sanger began her work, Black communities were ignored by the medical establishment. So from early on, Sanger’s clinics in Harlem were welcomed by esteemed black leaders of the day including W.E.B. Du Bois and Mary McLeod Bethune, the founder of the National Council of Negro Women. In 1939 Sanger founded the Negro Project, a birth control campaign for southern Blacks. As soon as it secured funding, the project was wrested from her control by the White men running the Birth Control Federation of America—a merger between Sanger’s Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau and the American Birth Control League—and by Robert Seibels, the chairman of the Committee on Maternal Welfare of the South Carolina Medical Association.” [9]

            “…Sanger had written, ‘We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.’ Sanger meant that she didn’t want rumors to spread of nefarious intentions behind family planning.” [9]

            Generations of anti-family planning activists have presented Sanger’s remarks that she didn’t want word to ‘go out’ as proof that she secretly intended genocide. Sanger had nothing to do with the project’s implementation, and indeed, as the Margaret Sanger Papers Project documents, the Negro Project was a failure, enacted without regard for Black needs and in terms that today sound blatantly racist. Nevertheless, her early involvement is still cited by the Black genocide movement as evidence that she supported coercive programs.[9]

            “In years past, says Esther Katz, these arguments spread slowly, as only zealots sought out materials like the lurid 1979 pamphlet, Margaret Sanger: Father of Modern Society, which paints Sanger as a promiscuous Nazi sympathizer. But starting in the mid-1990s, the internet enabled accusations fly farther and faster, and unsourced, unchecked material built a mountain of false allegations and attributions, with Wikipedia a key battleground. ‘It fits in with the tendency to use the Big Lie as a tool. You can take the smallest phrase and make a whole industry out of it. It’s a deliberate refusal to address the complexity of our past and its figures,’ says Katz. In fact, Katz says, Sanger was among the few family planning activists who sought to partner with those Black leaders who believed uncontrolled reproduction was harming their communities.” 9

            “…Serious abuses sprang from the eugenics movement with which Sanger was allied, including forced or coerced sterilizations of tens of thousands of women, mostly Black or Latina. Although Sanger opposed racially based eugenics and generally believed that sterilization should be voluntary, she made an exception in the cases of people she thought were unable to parent their children, such as the mentally ill—a position upheld by the Supreme Court in its 1927, eight-to-one Buck v. Bell decision concerning an allegedly ‘feebleminded’ White woman. But while this is downplayed in biographies of the judges involved, Sanger’s association with eugenics has been so overemphasized it often eclipses her role in promoting birth control.” [9]

            She brought about the reversal of federal and state “Comstock laws” that prohibited publication and distribution of information about sex, sexuality, contraception, and human reproduction.

            Sanger furthered the contemporary American model for the protection of civil rights through nonviolent civil disobedience.

            She created access to birth control for low-income, minority, and immigrant women.

            She also expanded the American concept of volunteerism and grassroots organizing by setting up a network of volunteer-driven family planning centers across the U.S.

            Sanger’s Outreach to the African American Community

            Harlem—1930

            In 1930, Sanger opened a family planning clinic in Harlem that sought to enlist support for contraceptive use and to bring the benefits of family planning to women who were denied access to their city’s health and social services. Staffed by a black physician and black social worker, the clinic was endorsed by The Amsterdam News (the powerful local newspaper), the Abyssinian Baptist Church, the Urban League, and the Black community’s elder statesman, W.E.B. DuBois (Chesler, 1992).

            from Trust Black Women

          • CSN

            Masculinity? LOL, LOL, LOL…this picture is my Father with his First Great Grandchild. Yes, your Father is Lucifer, and your Margaret Sanger is burning in hell with him now. …you’re explanation is so much fodder for the ignorant. Margaret Sanger addressed women of the KKK, and other such undesirables, who would lynch all blacks, but she had a better plan, just annihilate their race through sterilization processes.

          • expect_resistance

            Sure, my dad is Lucifer. Wouldn’t that be cool, I could rule the world.

            You are a sad weak little man who can only carry out a argument with ad hominem attacks. Poor baby. It must suck to have such a serious lack of intelligence.

          • CSN

            I’m not a man BTW. Again, you didn’t read the post, where I’m laughing at the word “Masculinity”. I was born a female, for your information.

          • expect_resistance

            Good for you. You’re still supporting the patriarchy. If you don’t like abortion don’t have one. Don’t tell other women what to do with their bodies. It’s still none of your fucking business church lady.

          • CSN

            I’m not the one **cking, but rather you are, so keep your pants zipped and you won’t need an aborticide.

          • expect_resistance

            There is nothing wrong with fucking. OMG you can’t even type the word FUCK.

          • CSN

            That is a crude and unsavory word…. if you mean intercourse, we’ll term it that.

          • expect_resistance

            No I mean fucking. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

            I’m going to lunch now.

          • CSN

            You’re lack of a better word shows your ignorance and stupidity.

          • expect_resistance

            I just say it because I know it pisses you off. You’re too easy.

          • fiona64

            Stop clutching your pearls, for Christ’s sake.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I was gonna say that could have a very different meaning but no I’m not going there. that mental image is over the limit. (talking bout CSN here if its unclear).

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            every word you say is unsavory, not to mention cowardly, wrong, and just plain moronic in extremis.

          • Ella Warnock

            Nah, a tubal ligation works equally as well. All the great sexy sex with my one true love and none of the pregnancy! Winning.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            yet your a coward posting anonymously. or I should say projectile vomiting anonymously.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            So what? your calling yourself butch then?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If she’s in hell now I shudder at the thought of where you must be going.

          • Ella Warnock

            Well well well, CSN, let’s belly up to the bar and address a few of your ASSumptions. I’ve had . . . exactly one marriage, 26 happy, faithful years. I’ve had . . . exactly no pregnancies, thus no abortions. I’ve donated . . . one kidney, to my niece. I’ve got family and friends and a job I love dearly.

            Survey says . . . you make a lot of incorrect ASSumptions. That’s unfortunate, and out of the two of us? You don’t exactly come across as the happy – or well adjusted – one.

          • CSN

            Ella Warlock: I wasn’t addressing you, or can’t you read? You’ve had no children, thank God for that, as the world doesn’t need a mother with a death wish for the unborn.

          • Ella Warnock

            You’re addressing everyone here. It’s a comment thread, so that’s, um, kind of how it works. Glad I could help you out with that.

            I encourage you to keep posting, CSN. The more you talk, the uglier you look. I encourage you to expose your maggot-ridden underbelly to the world.I encourage you to show exactly what you are. After all, no one else can do it better than you can do it to yourself, now can they? Such sound and fury, signifying nothing.

            So, CSN can *you* read?

          • CSN

            I thought the change in the letter “n” to “l” was appropriate to your sensibilities.

          • fiona64

            And I am beginning to thing changing CSN to “Total Imbecile” would be most appropriate to yours …

          • Ella Warnock

            Or maybe “Crazy Super Nimrod.”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            possibly Completely Slanderous Nonsense.

          • Ella Warnock

            The possibilities are endless. ;->

          • Ella Warnock

            Mmm-hmmm.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You don’t get to choose who addresses you when you post on this board. Deal with it.

          • CSN

            Deal with it yourself. I wasn’t addressing her, as can be seen by the arrow which points to the person you are referring to when posting. Get over it.

          • Jennifer Starr

            It doesn’t matter who you were addressing. Anyone has the right to respond to you, and you don’t have the right to tell them otherwise.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            that’s the problem with fanatics they try to claim they can tell us all what to say, who can talk, what to think, what to wear, what we’re allowed to do or even who’s allowed to keep breathing.

            Me, I just wanna live without anyone trying to fork me over.

          • expect_resistance

            Many of us here are part of a community at RH. Most of us have been posting here for years and know each other. You, are a nasty little troll that thinks she can harass, bully, shame, and insult us. Wrong. We are not intimidated by you. We are stronger than the bullshit you fling. We are stronger than the patriarchal misogynistic bigotry your spew.

          • CSN

            Trioll? I will pray you change your ways and see the light. No matter how you spew hatred against me, I want you in Heaven with Jennifer and the others. I have no hatred for you, and shouldn’t have posted you were going to hell, but only that if you remain in this blindness you will go there. God loves all of you and wants to save your souls, and include you in His Heavenly Kingdom. If any of you were injured or dying on the streets, I’d pick you up and bring you to the nearest hospital, and take all manner of care for your welfare. I desire to see a day, when women respect their bodies and want to save their souls, as well as their unborn babies. I wish to see women educated properly about reproductive health. No one cares about your health who would encourage an abortion. In abortion one woman is injured and the baby is dead. No one wins in an abortion. Go to Stand Up Girl Dot Com and see for yourself how those who went beyond abortion survived and are helping others to see their errors.

          • expect_resistance

            It’s Troll, not “Trioll.” I honestly don’t give a rats ass who you pray for. Go ahead, do whatever you like. I don’t hate you I pity your ignorance and stupidity. Heaven and Hell don’t exist. Yes, you shouldn’t have posted I’m going to hell, because it doesn’t exist. If you are a Christian, you are a terrible example of Christianity.

            Abortion is a fact of life. Abortion and birth control have existed for 4,000 years. (Google 4,000 years of choice). Outlawing abortion is not realistic. Women will still have abortions. Forced pregnancy doesn’t work. You can’t force women to give birth. Women have always and will always strive to control their fertility, to have control over their agency, their bodily autonomy. There is nothing wrong or immoral about birth control or abortion, at all.

            I’m wondering if you pray over discarded tampons and pads because their could be a miscarried fetus in it. Do you realize how many pregnancies end in miscarriage? Do you go into public restrooms and hold a funeral over the garbage?

            “Miscarriage is the most common type of pregnancy loss, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). Studies reveal that anywhere from 10-25% of all clinically recognized pregnancies will end in miscarriage. Chemical pregnancies may account for 50-75% of all miscarriages. This occurs when a pregnancy is lost shortly after implantation, resulting in bleeding that occurs around the time of her expected period. The woman may not realize that she conceived when she experiences a chemical pregnancy.”

          • fiona64

            Me? I’ll be praying that you go the fuck away. You are indeed trolling, and you aren’t even doing so in an interesting or entertaining fashion. You’re just another boring, bigoted conspiracy theorist who’s pissed off that there’s a black man in the White House. Now be gone, before someone drops a house on you, too.

          • Ella Warnock

            Most of the people I know who “think” they’re going to heaven are people I certainly wouldn’t want to spend an eternity with.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I don’t doubt they’ll be very surprised to be turned away when they get there. I try to avoid hurting others and I can’t say for certain that I’ll be let in or what it’ll be like either. All I can do is try to keep positive in life.

          • fiona64

            “If someone tells you they have no vices, you can rest assured that they probably have some really annoying virtues.” — Elizabeth Taylor

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            its quite clear you care for no human life at all outside your own. Nor do you have any understanding of heaven nor hell. In reality hell is right here on earth being forced to live among and be victimized by you and your ilk.

          • osiote

            You look like a pedophile in that pic.

            You creep me the fuck out.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If you worked really hard at remedial humanity for a few decades perhaps centuries you might work your way up to a “mere” sociopath
            . Your offensive toilet paper residue makes Johnny Gat look like a saint (pun intended).

          • Ella Warnock

            Oooh, okay, we get it. It’s just overwhelming for you to respond to multiple comments if you don’t intend to specifically address them. Well, why didn’t you just say so? We’ve been known to take a little pity on the less gifted, certainly.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Unlike you Ella is a good reader, she also knows of a little think called comprehension which I know is far too big a word for you.

          • osiote

            The world doesn’t need creepy old pedos like you around.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            You have a death wish for the unborn too. You do nothing against the priests or leaders whom have raped kids and covered it up. So basically you want these abortions to stop…so a fresh supply of children can always be available for your priests to rape and your leaders to cover up these crimes.

            This makes YOU one billion times more evil than any woman whom may have had an abortion. You cry out about abortion of innocent children…instead of putting your voice to stop the rape, and destruction of those children YOU saved from abortion by the priests eh?

            Well I guess this is my opportunity to tell you this CSN…enjoy your eternity in hell.

          • fiona64

            Margaret Sander believed eugenics and in getting rid of Blacks, and
            undesirables of any kind, so she was a mastermind of evil influence.

            You are full of crap. Margaret Sanger (note correct spelling) established one of the first medical clinics in an African-American part of New York … because they had no physicians willing to treat them. You might want to read up on the matter instead of spewing pure, unadulterated bullshit.

            http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/bc_or_race_control.html

            Quote: As she wrote in an initial fund-raising request to Albert Lasker, the wealthy advertising executive just beginning his post-business career in medicalphilanthropy, she simply hoped to help “a group notoriously underprivileged and handicapped to a large measure by a ‘caste’ system that operates as an added weight upon their efforts to get a fair share of the better things
            in life. To give them the means of helping themselves is perhaps
            the richest gift of all. We believe birth control knowledge brought
            to this group, is the most direct, constructive aid that can be given them to improve their immediate situation.” Sanger viewed the Negro Project as another effort to help African-Americans gain better access to safe contraception and maintain birth control services in their community as she had attempted to do in Harlem a decade earlier when Sanger’s Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau (BCCRB), in cooperation with the New York Urban League, opened a birth control clinic there. (MS to Lasker,
            July 10, 1939, Mary Lasker Papers, Columbia University (to be microfilmed in a later addendum to the MSM)

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Yup again YOU blame the Second Vatican Council for this.

            WTF is wrong with you?

            A woman is not meant to kill her young before they are born, after they are born or any time in between.

            Let me tell you what was the result of my priest rape. I died. Plain and simple I died. My soul died, my heart died, all of me died that night. I stopped believing in God and Jesus Christ because while this priest was raping me I begged them to make him stop raping me and they did NOT answer my prayers.

            I lost my soul. I thought I deserved what happened to me first because God and Jesus did NOT Answer my cries for help. I thought I deserved being raped by this priest for some unknown evil. I became evil, I died and in my place was reborn Damien, the AntiChrist. This can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt…through even police records, that I did this.

            I became the evil I was turned into for a long time. I used to beat the living crap out of gays because I thought they were responsible for what happened to me. I would do all kinds of evil, nasty things to your churches. I wonder how many of the parishioners of certain Roman Catholic Churches could taste my piss in their sacramental wine when they drank it during communion? Or if they enjoyed walking into their churches with piss and crap I left for them on their steps and pews?

            I used to love the church. I adored the services growing up. Now I hate your churches. I could not go to my fathers funeral….it was held in a RCC church…well I did go…but I was not there because in my mind I was fighting a massive panic attack while I was in there. That even caused a massive rift between my older brother and myself because he thought I was being an aloof butthole during the funeral without knowing what the real cause of my problem was cause I never told him about the priest rape.

            I know survivors of this horror whom did not survive. They killed themselves…only to be condemned more by the very church whom destroyed them…by saying hey they were a suicide so now they are burning in hell.

            I was almost one of those. My therapist and the director of the Mental Health agency I get my therapy from told me not even two months after the priest rape I was bought to Concord State Hospital because I tried to hang myself right in front of my parents. They told me Friday that I have made 16 serious, real attempts at ending my life because of what that priest did to me since 1974.

            I have survived them all for one reason. My mission is not done on this earth. My mission is to bring to justice all of these scum from the Pope Emetrius Benedict on down whom either covered up these evils or perpetrated them upon us.

            So please tell me…what RIGHT DOES A PRIEST OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS IN KILLING ME?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Frank every day you live is a small victory for you and a huge loss for those who victimized you in that way.

            Though my experiences are different I’ve had similar feelings. Don’t give in or let what was done to you destroy you. You probably know all that but now but I felt like saying it anyways.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Thank you Cj. I plan on pissing them all off for a long time…by staying alive.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            And you know this how exactly? I can see you now feverishly scouring your televangelist bible looking for the verse which reads “CJ thou art a heathen!”. I’ll save you the trouble, its not there. What is there are things like “he who is without blame may cast the 1st stone”

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            What kind of heat are you going to endure for not speaking out against the leaders whom covered up mass rapes of children? Oh I am sorry God and Jesus I decided to stand with the Pharisees and Saducees of my church and felt it was wrong to speak out against their hypocrisy about how they are the defenders and protectors of children while thousands of their priests rape children?

            Maybe this is why the RCC is so against abortion. Not that it is not evil…but because it would end the fresh supply of children when they grow up…these priests can rape?

        • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

          I have read stories where they used to kill people who raped children. They would find these scum and execute them on the spot. Then we got a system of laws. We did in fact used to put to death those whom caused great harm to children, raping them, murdering them. Children were once valued above all other humans on earth. They were the next generation, the future of mankind, and had to be protected and defended at all costs.

          The thing is with the Unholy Roman Catholic Church, they never really gave a damn about children. Sure they scream out against abortion, but to me there are other reasons for that. The True History of the Unholy Church bears this out.

          Starting with the Crusades, going into the Inquisitions and then the Genocides of the Native Americans, along with helping out the Nazi’s during WWII….the RCC has proven through their actions how much they truly do love children. Here are just a FEW examples from the History of the Unholy Church:

          The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry “Deus
          Vult” (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land.
          Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon “the infidel among us,” Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were children, were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, it did not matter children, women, mothers, old and young alike, they slaughtered on their way to “purifying” the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: “In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses’ bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God.”

          In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives — many of them women and children — taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: “The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified.”

          In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: “Kill them all. God will know his own.” Nearly 20,000, with over 3,500 of them children, were slaughtered — many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.

          In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were
          witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil-then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. Children were put to death with their parents as they were deemed spawns of satan or the devil. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 “witches” were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.

          NOW MY FAVORITE…HOW MANY INNOCENT CHILDREN DIED DURING THIS?

          The Thirty Years’ War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden’s Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther’s “Ein ‘Feste Burg” in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany’s population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct
          education.

          As a side note…the Apologists claim the Crusades were needed to protect the Jews and to destroy the Muslim infidels whom invaded their lands. Well let’s put an end to the notion that the Roman Catholics loved the Jews:

          Throughout Europe, beginning in the 1100s, tales spread that Jews were abducting Christian children, sacrificing them, and using their blood in rituals. Hundreds of massacres stemmed from this “blood libel.” Some of the supposed sacrifice victims — Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln, the holy child of LaGuardia, Simon of Trent — were beatified or commemorated with shrines that became sites of pilgrimages and miracles

          THIS IS JUST ONE OF HUNDREDS OF EXAMPLES OF ROMAN CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS LYING ABOUT JEWS AND SLAUGHTERING THEM.

          • CSN

            Starting with the Crusaders? The Crusaders were fighting the unholy Muslims who were coming at them in droves, just as they will be doing now in our own country, and in the Middle East. They like to lop off the heads of their opponents, or torture them, or throw their chlidren off buildings. Got anymore false information to feed the masses. You’re obviously a propagandist trained to spew hatred about something you really know nothing about.

          • goatini

            Frank, and I, are both Catholic. YOU do not get to decide who is Catholic, and who is not. The only “propagandist trained to spew hatred about something you really know nothing about” here is YOU.

          • CSN

            Frank and you are both Masons. It is quite clear from your remarks. Go home liars.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Really? I am a Mason?????

            Wow when the heck did that happen?

            Glad you are so psychic you can claim all that you have.

            So to put it bluntly…piss off.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            So you think they make those glass jars your grandmother puts her strawberry jam in? yeah thats the level of understanding you have about who masons really are.

          • CSN

            Hit the nail on the head…..I know about the Masons….not much to know….a group of narcissistic occultists who want to rule the world, and think they’re enlightened by their pagan gods.

          • fiona64

            ROFLMAO. Yep, you gotta watch out for those Freemasons … taking over the world one pinochle party and spaghetti dinner at a time.

            What a nutjob you are.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            don’t encourage him, he might lock us up in those little mason jars his grandmother uses for her runny strawberry jam.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Hey dumkoff, I’ve said it before but you clearly need reminding:
            you couldn’t hit the floor if you fell on it. Nobody here but you wants to rule the world. I don’t even want to share the same world with you. If I had the means I’d be on the next flight to Rigel Kentaris, Gelise anywhere free of violent psychopathic lunatics.

          • fiona64

            Hmm. I don’t think Goatini would be permitted membership in the Freemasons … but hey, rock on with your bad self.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            The UNHOLY Muslims whom were trying to take their lands back that was stolen from them by the Israelites right? The same ones that the Israelites still treat as less than human?

            Wow I guess it is perfectly alright for the RCC to have slaughtered so many….from the Muslims to the Pagans to the Native Americans as long as they do it for the glory of God right?

          • CSN

            The Jewish Nation were in the Middle East long before any Muslim Mohammedan became a Religion which was invented by Mohammad.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Apparently you do not know your true history. Sure the Muslim religion came after the Christian religion. BUT the original people of the area…are now the Muslims. They were the people the Israelites committed war against and took their lands.

            But hey whites are really, really, really good at invading countries and destroying the original inhabitants to purify it for their religions.

            Just look at what the Christians did to the Pagans and the Native Americans.

          • CSN

            Just look at what the Pagans did to the natives, and the “Native Americans”. If there were bad conquerors who did awful things to the natives which they conquered, then they’ll be accountable to God. But, the Catholic Church never went into any civilization to kill or maim individuals. I know my history. There were bad Kings and bad Soldiers. Why don’t we list some evil Pagans here: 1. Attila the Hun. 2. Castro. 3. Lenin. 4. Trotsky. 5. Hitler. 6. Mao Tse Tung. 7. Ho Chi Minh. More people were killed during the Communist takeover of China, than all of the wars combined since the history of man. How’s that Pagan thing working out for you’all.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Whoa idiot. I am part Cherokee on my mothers side and part Blackfeet on my fathers side. I know the history of my Cherokee ancestors and the Trail of Tears and guess what? Not one Pagan was present driving my ancestors 2,000 miles in the dead of winter, with barely any clothes on their back or shoes on their feet. Ten thousand children died on this trail, many old died too.

            Oh and guess what jackwagon…the people driving my ancestors to their death?

            THEY WERE ALL SELF DESCRIBED CHRISTIANS.

            Now let us look at how the Roman Catholic Church treated Pagans:

            In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests
            tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were
            witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 “witches” were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.

            SO MUCH FOR YOUR ASSERTION THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NEVER WENT INTO ANY CIVILIZATIONS TO KILL OR MAIM INDIVIDUALS EH? SO YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY? YEAH RIGHT.

            AND APPARENTLY YOU HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA WHAT A PAGAN IS.

            Attilla, Castro, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Ho Chi were all atheists.

            A PAGAN is NOT an atheist. They believe in the Gods and Goddesses of pre-Christianity. Their religious beliefs are older than Christianity and the Hebrew religion from which Christianity sprang from.

            Hitler was in fact a self described Christian and said it many damn times. This is just one of many mentions by Hitler he was a Christian:

            In a speech 26 June 1934, Hitler stated:The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today

            Former Prime Minister of Bavaria, Count Graf von Lerchenfeld-Köfering stated in a speech before the Landtag of Bavaria, that his beliefs “as a man and a Christian” prevented him from being an anti-Semite or from pursuing anti-Semitic public policies. Hitler while speaking the Bürgerbräukeller turned Lerchenfeld’s perspective of Jesus on its head:

            I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld.
            He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling ‘as a man and a Christian’ prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I say: My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Now I will give YOU the descriptions of some of the torture and maiming machines the Roman Catholic Church used on Witches, and those whom they called heretics:

            PART I

            The Pendulum
            A fundamental torture one that is often just a preparation of the victim for more effective infliction of still more tortures. No complex equipment is needed the victim’s wrists are tied behind his back then a rope is attached to the wrist restraints and the sufferer is slowly hoisted up ripping the humerus from the sockets and dislocating the scapula and clavicle. The agony can be heightened by means of weights progressively attached to the feet until at last the skeleton is pulled apart as it is by the bench and ladder racks.

            The Rack
            The rack is a torture device that consists of an rectangular, usually wooden frame, raised from the ground, with a roller at one end or both ends, having at one end a fixed bar to which the legs were fastened, and at the other a movable bar to which the hands were tied. The victim’s feet were fastened to one roller, and the wrists chained to the other.

            The torturer turned a handle causing the ropes to pull the victim’s arms. Eventually, the victim’s bones were dislocated with a loud crack, caused by snapping cartilage, ligaments or bones. If the torturer kept turning the handles the limbs would eventually be torn off.

            This method was mostly used to extract confessions, not confessing meant that the torturer could stretch more. Sometimes, torturers forced their victim to watch other people be tortured with this device to implant psychological fear.

            Sometime this method was limited to dislocating a few bones, but the torturer often went too far and rendered the legs or arms (sometimes both) useless. In the late Middle Ages, some new variants of this instrument appeared. They often had spikes that penetrated the victim’s back – as the limbs were pulled apart, so was his or her spinal cord increasing not only in physical pain, but the psychological one of being handicapped.

            As the interrogation progresses, a handle and ratchet attached to the top roller are used to very gradually stepwise increase the tension on the chains, inducing excruciating pain. By means of pulleys and levers this roller could be rotated on its own axis, thus straining the ropes until the sufferer’s joints were dislocated and eventually separated. If muscle fibers are stretched excessively, they lose their ability to contract, rendering them ineffective.

            One gruesome aspect of being stretched too far on the rack is the loud popping noises made by snapping cartilage, ligaments, or bones. One powerful method for putting pressure upon prisoners was to force them to watch someone else being subjected to the rack.

            The Popes Pear

            The pear has also been referred to as the “Pear of Confession”, the “Pope’s Pear” (these due to reports that such devices were used during the Inquisition); the “oral pear”, “vaginal pear”, or “anal pear”; and just “The Pear”.

            A pear shaped instrument, consisting of four leaves that slowly separated from each other as the torturer turned the screw at the top.

            This device was used during the Middle Ages as a way to torture women who conducted a miscarriage, liars, blasphemers, and homosexuals.

            A pear-shaped instrument was inserted into one of the victim’s orifices: the vagina for women, the anus for those considered to be male homosexuals, and the mouth for liars and blasphemers.

            The instrument consisted of four leaves that slowly separated from each other as the torturer turned the screw at the top. It was the torturers decision to simply tear the skin or expand the “pear” to its maximum and mutilate the victim.

            The Pear of Anguish was usually very adorned to differentiate between the anal, vaginal and oral pears. They also varied in size accordingly.

            This torture very rarely caused death, but was often followed by other torture methods.

            The Breast Ripper

            The name of this device speaks for itself. Cold or red-hot the four claws slowly ripped to formless masses the breasts of countless women.

            Used as a way to punish women, the breast ripper was a painful and cruel way to mutilate a woman’s breasts.

            The claws were used either hot or cold on the victim’s exposed breasts. If the victim wasn’t killed she would be scarred for life as her breasts were literally torn apart.

            The Spider was designed to mutilate a woman’s breasts. The spider is nothing but a variation of the famous breast ripper, though the spider is believed to be more painful.

            The spider was usually chained to the wall – the claws were usually heated before being fixed to the woman’s breasts. The torturer just had to pull the woman away from the wall to successfully remove her breasts.

            This was a brutal punishment that often resulted in the victim’s demise. Fortunately,

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Gruesome Torture Machines of the Roman Catholic Church Pt II

            The Head Crusher

            With the victim’s chin placed on the lower bar, a screw then forces the cap down on the victims cranium. The recipients teeth are crushed and forced into the sockets to smash the surrounding bone. The eyes are compressed from their sockets and brain from the fractured skull.

            The head crusher was widely used during most of the Middle Ages, especially the Inquisition. With the chin placed over the bottom bar and the head under the upper cap, the torturer slowly turned the screw pressing the bar against the cap.

            This resulted in the head being slowly compressed. First the teeth are shattered into the jaw; then the victim slowly died with agonizing pain, but not before his eyes were squeezed from his sockets.

            This instrument was a formidable way to extract confessions from victims as the period of pain could be prolonged for many hours if the torturer chose to. This could be done by repeatedly turning the screw both ways.

            If the torture was stopped midway, the victim often had irreparable damage done to the brain, jaw or eyes.

            Many variants of this instrument existed, some that had small containers in front of the eyes to receive them as they fell out of their sockets.

            Burnt at the Stake

            In the Middle Ages burning was used both as a form of torture and as a capital punishment.

            As a form of torture the victims feet could be held to a fire, or trapped into metal boots that were heated up, or they could be strapped into an iron chair with a fire lit underneath, or red hot irons could be applied. Metal torture instruments were often heated – pincers, pliers and so on. Burning or molten liquids could also by used, the victims being forced to dip limbs in them or even having them poured down their throats.

            In 1184, the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona confirmed this form of punishment, legislating that burning was to be the official punishment for heresy, as Church policy was against the spilling of blood. It was also widely believed that the condemned would have no body to be resurrected in the afterlife.

            This decree was reaffirmed by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215, the Synod of Toulouse in 1229, and numerous spiritual leaders up to the nineteenth century.

            The Two-Man Saw

            The two-man saw involves the victim naked and strung upside-down by his heels with his arms strapped behind him.
            Two torturers then assumed each side of a large saw placed between the naked victim’s legs and then begin to saw through your torso. With the blood in your body gathering in your head and torso, consciousness could presumably be sustained until the
            saw reaches the victim’s heart.

            The Saw was widely used throughout the Middle Ages, mainly because the tools required were found in most houses and no complex devices were required. It was a cheap way to torture and kill a victim who was often accused of: witchery, adultery, murder, blasphemy or even theft.

            The victim was tied to an inverted position. This had several “benefits”: first, it assured sufficient blood diverted to the brain, second, it slowed down the loss of blood and third, it humiliated the victim.

            Depending on the victim and torturer, this torture could last
            several hours. When a confession was required, the victim was
            frequently forced to watch someone else be subject to this method. If he didn’t confess, he’d be slowly cut in half.

            During the Inquisition, this method became even more popular as the inquisitors traveled from village to village often without any torture devices at their disposal.

            While some victims were cut completely in half as a symbolical gesture, most had only up to their abdomen cut, this was done to prolong the time of death

            The Chair of Spikes or the Confession Chair
            Also known as the Judas Chair, the Chair of Torture was a terrible device of the Middle Ages. It was used until the late 1800’s in Europe.

            There are many variants of the chair. They all have one thing in common: spikes cover the back, arm-rests, seat, leg-rests and foot-rests. The number of spikes in one of these chairs ranges from 500 to 1,500.

            To avoid movement, the victim’s wrists were tied to the chair or, in one version, two bars pushed the arms against arm-rests for the spikes to penetrate the flesh even further. In some versions, there were holes under the chair’s bottom where the torturer placed coal to cause severe burns while the victim still remained conscious.

            This instrument’s strength lies primarily in the psychological fear caused on the victims. It was a common practice to extract a confession by forcing the victim to watch someone else be tortured with this instrument.

            The time of death greatly varied ranging from a few hours to a day or more. No spike penetrated any vital organ and the wound was closed by the spike itself which delayed blood loss greatly.

          • CSN

            The methods of torture and how they used them may be true, but not how the Catholic Church used those methods, because the Catholic Church itself did not use the methods. Stop reading Protestant historians. How many Catholics today do you see torturing people in foreign countries? How many Catholic Missionaries came to foreign countries to give them education, clothes, teach them to farm, care for their young, given free healthcare, and teach them to love Jesus. Look at the present, and quit believing the lies about the past, which are written by Catholic Haters who cannot account for the huge number of Catholics, who happen to stay in the faith, in spite of bad leaders of countries and Governments, and some bad clergy.

          • fiona64

            You are a complete and total dumbass. Cardinal Torquemada et al had the full approval of the Office of the Inquisition (which is now called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; it’s never gone away).

            How is it that I, who am not Catholic, seem to know so much more about your church and its history than you do?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Missionaries of any stripe rarely provide any benefit to those the force themselves on. They go to other countries for 1 reason only: prosylitizing, or forcibly converting others if they can get away with it.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I remember hearing about another device called the iron maiden, like a metal coffen with metal spikes facing inward which would impale the victim all over. truly horrific.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            I have a whole essay on all the tools they used. It would take me forever to post about them.

            The Iron Maiden was one of the most gruesome torture tools. Those spikes you were talking about? They were specially designed. They would pierce your skin, but prevent your bleeding to death because the spikes were designed to not penetrate any vital organs, nor even your eyes..though it may look that way…the spikes would close the skin around them after penetration. The victim of the Maiden would suffer endlessly. Then they would die when they opened the Maidens door as all those spikes then would rip out of the person and make them bleed to death.

            Just like the Judas Chair, this showed how especially evil and psycho the torturers of the RCC were. They were sadistic, twisted scum…whom should have gotten a dose of their own medicine.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            without a doubt all such inventions are not just cruel but must’ve been so incredibly painful by design. I’ve heard of some of them but can’t imagine what it must be like having the motivation to design, build and use any of them on another person. Things like that have kept me from having much faith in humanity.

          • CSN

            You are a self-described indian with a french name, so I assume you are French Canadian extraction. The Catholic Church in Canada never came there to expell Indians, but rather to convert Indians and were scalped and tortured and then killed after they attempted to do so, but that’s another history. Blessed Kateri of the Mohawks is a good example. Read her life history on how she had to escape from her own people, in order to lead a truly Catholic and chaste life. She is a Saint of the Catholic Church. The Ursuline nuns taught the Indian girls in Canada, but after they were taught to read and write, the parents of the Indian girls would come back demanding they give them back to them, after they were educated, civilized, and unfortunately, after they were returned, reprogrammed to hate white people. Sorry about that, but that is how it reads. These Indian girls became Catholics, were Baptized, were educated for free, given lessons on etiquette, etc., and then forced to return to pagan rituals and unsavory rites. Indians were pagan savages before they were converted, as were Irish, and every other country which was not converted to Christianity. If you think scalping, torturing and eating your enemies is OK, then that’s what you had before you were converted. No Pagan race can claim any less.

            The Roman Catholic Church didn’t treat Pagans, Jews, or Protestants, who were not claiming to be members of the Catholic Church, in any inquisitional methods. The people who were brought forward to the Inquisition were those claiming to be Catholic and there to destroy from within. They were, in American terms, Benedict Arnolds, and the Church had a right to protect herself. The Kings and leaders of the country where the inquisition was held, were responsible for methods of torture they used on the people who claimed they were Catholic, and who were there to destroy from within. Not the Catholic Church herself. You need to read “Characters of the Inquisition” by William Thomas Walsh, who was a Catholic historian, rather than the Protestantized version of lies and deceit, which paint the Inquisition as something horrible, or evil.
            I’m sorry if American Calvary were evil to the Indians in the United States. There was much unsavory doings from within the United States Government, in the early years of the founding of this country, and it still goes on today. Governments are not holy, but people can become holy in spite of Governments. There were many wicked Kings and Monarchs of various countries, but there were also very good Kings and Monarchs of Countries. Riches does not make people holy, but the Catholic Church, before the second Vatican Council, helped people to become Holy, inspired a love of the Crucified Jesus in their hearts and gave them the means for eternal salvation.

            You need to put your past ancestors hardships aside and move forward. Everyone who has ancestors can find some time in history where they were not treated right. The Apostate English killed many Irish Catholics. During the great potato famine many Irish people died…not because there was no food for them to eat, but because they were only permitted potatoes to eat, and thus died from lack of food which was permitted to them, since they were not Anglican apostates of the herd of King Henry the VIII. To this day the Irish want to form a Irish Republic but cannot, due to being kept down by the Anglican controlled Government.
            St. Joan of Arc was burned as a Witch, and she was a Catholic Saint, so your ideas of being burned as witches is a bit off center there, as the Catholic Church itself did not foment those burnings, but rather then “Government” in control, which happened to have an unsavory Catholic King ruling that country.

          • expect_resistance

            Wow you assume a lot of shit you know nothing about. I think it’s time for you to go away now and leave the adults alone.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            many natives were forcibly anglicized or francophone depending on what part of north america by those who called themselves christian many as children, this went on well into the 20th century as part of elimiating native culture as a whole. Lookup “residential schools” sometime, it’ll shock you for sure.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            You truly ARE a freak job aren’t you?

            First off my family name is ancient in France. Matter of fact, my family has a town named after it in France because we were blacksmiths to the Royal Families…that is what my last name means…the BLACKSMITH or Furrier.

            Indians NEVER scalped white men at first. Matter of fact that is a complete and totally bs story about Native Americans being scalp hungry and that is an insult and very discriminatory.

            The scalping actually came from the white invaders as a way to keep track of how many Indians they killed to get paid for killing them. You presented a quarter scalp, you got a quarter of what it was worth all the way up to a full scalp. Native Americans did NOT start scapling people til the Whites whom they were helping taught them to do so as a way for collecting money off of these scalps.

            Then once this started, the Native Americans gave back to those whom they got.

            See I am Blackfeet from my dad’s side. They were in Canada. It is not the Blackfoot tribe, the Blackfeet were a different nation. They were in fact called this because we went barefoot most of the time and guess what? That part of the gene is still in me because I walk in just Teva sandals most of the time even when it is cold outside.

            I am Cherokee on my mothers side. The Cherokee Nation was considered the Civilized Tribe by the Whites. We had our own system of government, we had our own schools and colleges, we were even the FIRST NATION to have an alphabet and written word. We were basically farmers and hunters living off the land. We shared everything. Sure we had our faults and wars…a huge one with the Creek Nation at Blood Mountain and Slaughter Gap in Georgia where the blood spilled there sank and stained the very rocks and moss on the ground and is still there today. That is our Sacred Mountain to us. We still have the Nunehi living there in Townhouses under our Sacred Mountain.

            Yet what caused the Trail of Tears to happen? The whites found a little gold in Dahlonega Georgia, the heart of Cherokee country. Not even enough to make one person rich. Well because they found that gold…they thought there was much more. Matter of fact they were also looking for the fabled treasures of the Cherokee.

            So they used Jackson to take their lands away through the betrayal of one of our own chiefs. We were rounded up in the middle of the night. Barely any clothes on our backs or shoes on our feet in the middle of winter. The soldiers smashed our cooking pots, destroyed our food then forced us to march in the dead of winter to Oklahoma. Many of us died on that forced March…too many children to even count.

            So if YOU think you are gonna BS me about the true History of the Native Americans or spew your complete and utter bs like you have…well bitch…YOUR MESSING WITH THE WRONG CHEROKEE.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            WOW YOU REALLY ARE A FREAK APOLOGIST AREN’T YOU?

            From your very own piehole: “The Roman Catholic Church didn’t treat Pagans, Jews, or Protestants, who were not claiming to be members of the Catholic Church, in any inquisitional methods.”

            HERE IS THE TRUTH YOU FREAK APOLOGIST:

            In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests
            tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were
            witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil — then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000
            “witches” were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.

            SO DO YOU CARE TO ADJUST YOUR STATEMENT THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH NEVER TREATED IN AN INQUISTIONAL MANNER A PAGAN OR WITCH?

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            The Roman Catholic Church never persecuted Pagans eh? Oh and this also proves how much the Roman Catholic Church loved, protected and defended children too:

            In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in
            1191, he ordered 3,000 captives — many of them women and CHILDREN –TAKEN OUTSIDE THE CITY AND SLAUGHTERED. SOME WERE DISEMBOWLED IN SEARCH FOR SWALLOWED GEMS. BISHOPS INTONED BLESSINGS. INFIDELS LIVES WERE OF NO CONSEQUENCES. AS SAINT BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX DECLARED IN LAUNCHING THE SECOND CRUSADE: “THE CHRISTIAN GLORIES IN THE DEATH OF A PAGAN, THEREBY CHRIST IS GLORIFIED.”

          • fiona64

            But, the Catholic Church never went into any civilization to kill or maim individuals.

            Wait, what?

            Excuse me for just a moment …

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            More people were killed during the Communist takeover of China, than all of the wars combined since the history of man.

            Citation needed.

            And you clearly have no idea what Pagan means, since you include the devoutly Catholic Adolf Hitler in your list.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            guess that nutbar never heard of what Cortez did to the Maya & Incas in South America. Today we’d call it genocide.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            nope pagans didn’t do that puritans and other christians did that. they also went so far as to accuse the native americans of being pagans as an excuse for several centuries of hate crimes and occupying their homelands.

          • expect_resistance

            You are a fucking idiotic bigot!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Suuure was it muslims invading canterbury? nope. Only propogandist here spewing hate here is you. And since you clearly don’t own a map the crusades used the excuse of “freeing holy lands” much of whitch is important to both Isreali’s and their mid-east neighbours and has been that way for centuries. Next time you drop a load like that remember to flush.

          • CSN

            Your whole history is false and a complete fable. You know nothing but what was taught to you by masonics and masonic influence. God have mercy on your poor soul. You’re resting in defiled history.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Really? You got proof that my whole history is false and completely fable? Again you calling me a Mason? WTH??? So please tell me when I became a Mason in all this time?

            No there is NO GOD and if your God is real..he is no one I want a part of…matter of fact…let me put this as bluntly as I can….

            If YOUR god is real? He is a psychotic, baby. He is a meglomainac. He is a protector and defender of psychos and child rapists. He would rather see millions of children slaughtered during the Crusades, the Genocide of the Pagans and Native Americans.

            Your God is as fazke as most of you whom proclaim to follow him.

            Yeah I am supposed to believe some old man is sitting on some throne in the sky, dressed in long, flowing white robes with a long white beard…who created everything in the known Universe basically in one day, then created the earth in the next five and everything on it…and then rested on the seventh.

            How freaking stupid you gotta be to believe in some sky daddy?

            Science alone proves 99% of the bullshit in the bible could NEVER have happened like:

            Noah’s Ark. First off seems people forget…it was 7 pairs of clean animals and 2 pairs of unclean animals that were supposedly bought onto the ark. Now according to ship builders and scientists along with zoologists and animal specialists…there is NO POSSIBLE WAY all of these animals could have fit on the ark as it is described in the bible. That would have left basically two cubic inches of space for each and every animal.

            Next what shows this story is bs among the many others…Noah and his family would have spent their days shoveling crap overboard otherswise the Ark would have capsized. Of course it would have already capsized with the weight of all the animals, all the food for these animals, all the humans and all their food.

            BTW,,,if it rained for 40 days and 40 nights then they had to wait for the water to receed…they would have had to carry over 100 tons of food alone for animals…that would have been impossible to do.

          • expect_resistance

            I understand you’re a complete loser who has no life. I feel sorry for you that you lack any sort of intellect. You can keep posting your stupid asinine rantings, keep sticking your foot in your mouth. Eventually your inane asinine posts will be deleted. It’s your choice.

          • CSN

            You’re the only one who is ranting…you can’t use or utter a sentence without an expletive, which only proves how ignorant and uneducated you are.

          • expect_resistance

            Adults swear, get over it. You should give a listen to Lee Camp. He would make your virgin ears explode.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            crap forgot his name but he did “7 words you must never say on tv”. Just remembered it’s George Carlin, no longer around but still remembered for his rough verbosity and having some funny moments among other things.

          • expect_resistance

            Yep, it was George Carlin. Before him it was Lenny Bruce.

            From wikipedia:
            “During one of Lenny Bruce’s performances in 1966, he said he was arrested for saying eight words. Six of the last seven words are the same as George Carlin’s.”

            I miss George Carlin. Can ya tell I was influenced by him?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            K CSN time for you to layoff the crystal meth. No really its not helping your precarious state of mind.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            And how exactly might you know if Franks a mason or not? unless you’re in the masonic lodge with him.

        • osiote

          citation needed asshole

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            We won’t be seeing that citation anymore than we’ll see proof that barny’s a real dinosaur.

      • RJJ

        And when your get an IQ above 0, let us know because you can’t prove one iota of what you said.

        • HeilMary1

          Liar, I provided proof that you ignored.
          I’d post the link but my links get filtered as spam here.
          Just google AbuseTracker.

          • RJJ

            Quote whatever website you chose. Abuse Tracker appears to give details on many abuse cases,e.g. those clergy involved including bishops. My issue is with your vicious accusation “mostly hypocrites and criminals”. Since you are the one who uses this, you have to prove your case with names of bishops or dioceses, not just all encompassing blather. There are 195 diocese and archdioceses under the USCCB. If it’s most of them as you say, that infers more that 50% of the bishops & archbishops are complicit in the scandal. That doesn’t make any sense unless you can come up definitive proof that it’s true. I shouldn’t have to do through Abuse Tracker, if you’re so sure. You should be able to quote the number. Practicing Catholics like me are embarrassed, ashamed, and angry over this entire scandal, especially with the actions of the hierarchy involved. What we don’t need is bomb throwers like you who distort and lie about the facts and fit them into the chamber pot of vile relativism that you chose to wallow in. And I feel sorry for you.

          • HeilMary1

            Pompous pedophile priest enabler, Abuse Tracker barely scratches the surface of RCC crimes against humanity, and the research of Dr. Richard Sipe and many others proves that most predator priests’ transgressions go unreported because their secret lovers are adults of both sexes. You go wallow in an obstetric fistula ward to get a clue of the mayhem you unholy mother killers and womb-traffickers inflict on the rest of us. Your abstinence-by-proxy thugs should all be in jail, and your favorite poop, Paul VI, should have been hung at Nuremburg for funding the Nazi Catholic Ustasha genocide of 1 million Serb Christian “heretics” in WWII. You disgust me.

          • RJJ

            Cite whatever you want. Your screed is typical of those who offer only disconnected diatribes and no concrete proof supporting your statements against the Bishops as you claim. Must be tough living in your world.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Let me shut you up once and for all. I will be doing a series of postings that offer proof about some of your scumbag leaders:

            POPE BENEDICT XVI: As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was
            the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and as such,
            he was responsible for exposing and turning over to authorities

            His biggest crime involved Marcel Marcial, the Jesuit priest and founder of the Legions of Christ.
            Marcial was a pederast, a womanizer, married two women and then raped
            his own children and sexually assaulted his seminarians.

            By the late
            fifties Marciel was already subjected to a canonical process for
            accusations of pederasty.Despite the evidence, the Roman Curia chose to
            take no action.

            In 1965 Rome officially recognized the congregation of
            Legionaries.Maciel had a knack for ingratiating himself with important
            people in the Vatican bureaucracy and the religious elites of the
            business classes in the countries to which his organization spread.

            From
            the end of the seventies right up to the early nineties he was an
            active promoter of John Paul II’s trips to Mexico.At the end of the
            nineties the Vatican received documentation on another suit against
            Maciel for pederasty, this time from several former
            Legionaries.

            Ratzinger, who was the head of the Congregation for the
            Doctrine of the Faith at the time, chose to shelve it so John Paul II
            wouldn’t have to quarrel with Maciel.

            Not until 2006, once he was Pope
            Benedict XVI, did Ratzinger decide to punish the Legion’s founder, but
            tried to do it with a low profile.

            He ordered Maciel to leave Rome,
            renounce all priestly public ministries and lead the life of a
            recluse.In early 2008, Maciel died without ever facing justice for his
            serious crimes.

            So from the late 50′s until 2006, the RCC knew about what
            Marciel was doing. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he also knew what
            Marciel was doing, but it took 50 years to actually do something about
            him and then it was basically a slap on the wrist. When Ratzinger was a
            cardinal, he too protected Maciel.

            In 1998 he blocked the case and in
            2001 modified the Canonical Code of Law to give Maciel a way out: the
            crime of absolving an accomplice would have a 10-year statute of
            limitations. This gave the abuser an escape route and left the victims
            with no possibility of proving their accusations in court.

            Now
            his second biggest crime involves that for decades, a group of men who
            were sexually abused as children by Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy at a school
            for the deaf in Wisconsin reported to every type of official
            they could think of that he was a danger, according to the victims and
            church documents.

            They told other priests. They told three archbishops
            of Milwaukee. They told two police departments and the district
            attorney. They used sign language, written affidavits and graphic
            gestures to show what exactly Father Murphy had done to them. But their
            reports fell on the deaf ears of hearing people.

            Cardinal Joseph
            Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, received letters about Father Murphy
            in 1996 from Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland of Milwaukee, who said that
            the deaf community needed “a healing response from the Church.”

            The
            Vatican sat on the case, then equivocated, and when Father Murphy died
            in 1998, he died a priest. Father Murphy may have molested as many as
            200 boys while he worked at the school from 1950 to 1974, according to
            the accounts of victims and a social worker hired by the Archdiocese of
            Milwaukee to interview him.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN:From failing to report
            direct admissions from abusive priests, to actively lobbying against
            reforming statutes of limitations on child sexual abuse cases in
            Wisconsin. The archbishop’s track record is consistent with the Catholic
            Church’s record of covering up child sex abuse allegations.

            First we have the case of Priest Franklyn W. Becker.
            Among the documents submitted in support a complaint presented to the
            ICC by the Center for Constitutional Rights and Survivors Network for
            those Abused by Priests, are letters between Dolan and then-Cardinal
            Ratzinger concerning Father Franklyn Becker.Becker was diagnosed as a
            pedophile as early as 1983 when serving in Milwaukee and, though the
            archdiocese of Milwaukee knew he continued to re-offend, Becker was
            nonetheless allowed to continue to work in several parishes. It was only
            when Becker was arrested in California in 2003 for the sexual assault
            of a child that Dolan wrote to Ratzinger requesting that Becker be
            defrocked.Ratzinger’s office replied that Dolan should inquire whether
            Becker would voluntarily request his own defrocking rather than be
            laicized involuntarily by the Vatican.A 2003 letter from then-Milwaukee
            Archbishop Timothy Dolan shows he was more concerned about the church’s
            reputation than the actions of an abusive priest. Dolan wrote the letter
            to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in May 2003, asking that Becker be
            defrocked after allegations of repeated sexual abuse of children that
            dated back to at least 1970. Dolan wrote the letter about two weeks
            after Becker was arrested in California for an alleged sexual assault
            there in the 1970s.Dolan, who became Milwaukee’s archbishop in June
            2002, wrote that a trial and possible civil lawsuits “make the potential
            for true scandal very real.” n the letter, Dolan said Becker was
            diagnosed as an “impulsive pedophile” in 1983.After another allegation, a
            psychological assessment was again done in 1996 that indicated “the
            potential for future recurrence of past behavior existed,” according to
            Dolan’s letter.Dolan became archbishop 11 months before he asked that
            Becker be defrocked and it took the Vatican another 1 1/2 years to
            defrock Becker. Claims have been made that Dolan only took action
            because of Becker’s arrest. Clergy Cases I & III, JCCP 4286 and
            4359, June 18, 2007 (Facts concerning former priest Franklyn Becker of
            the Archdiocese of Milwaukee demonstrates that he has dangerous
            propensities to harm children. In sworn testimony, Becker testified
            about his attraction to boys, his interest in the Man/Boy Love
            Association, his leanings toward being attracted to post pubescent boys
            and that he gave names of people to the Archdiocese that might come
            forward with allegations. (Becker’s sworn statement taken August 7, 2006
            at pgs. 77, 80, 82, and 87.)).Next we have the case of Harlem pastor Msgr. Wallace A. Harris,
            Dolan’s handling of child sex abuse cases has not changed since his
            Milwaukee and St. Louis days. In 2010, Harris, who had been accused of
            sexually assaulting more than 10 boys, was allowed to step down under a
            false pretense. Dolan, who by this time was already Archbishop of New
            York, quietly let him do so without informing the authorities or warning
            parishioners. More than a year and a half after the fact, the Vatican
            admonished him to live “a life of prayer and penance.” Due to the
            statute of limitations in New York, Harris has avoided criminal charges.
            Harris, a one-time possible candidate for bishop, was accused by an
            NYPD officer and nine other men of molesting them while they were
            attending Cathedral Preparatory Seminary. Archbishop Timothy Dolan
            quietly let Msgr. Wallace A. Harris, resign from his Harlem parish and
            left the impression that Harris is stepping aside because of alleged
            health problems. The first man to reveal having been violated by Harris
            is a former police officer, Eric Crumbley. Crumbley is now a minister
            and he disclosed his name when he stepped forward.

            Then you have Cardinal Timothy Dolan accused of moving money around to avoid paying on suits:
            A Wisconsin lawyer representing victims of sexual abuse by Catholic
            clergy says he suspects that New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan hid $130
            million in order to avoid paying molestation settlements. Prior to his
            present assignment, Dolan was Archbishop of Milwaukee. The lawyer,
            Jeffrey R. Anderson, who represents clients in 23 lawsuits against the
            Milwaukee Archdiocese, said $75 million disappeared from the church’s
            investments in 2005. He said that $55 million more that had previously
            been unaccounted for appeared in a cemetery trust in 2008, and that the
            archdiocese claimed that money in that fund was protected by state law
            and could not be used for payouts. In an interview on Sunday, Mr.
            Anderson said that the first transfer coincided with a 2005 ruling by
            the Wisconsin Supreme Court that allowed abuse lawsuits to proceed
            despite a statute of limitations. He said the second transfer occurred
            around the time of a similar ruling in 2007. Archbishop Dolan led the
            Archdiocese of Milwaukee from 2002 to 2009, when he was chosen to lead
            the Archdiocese of New York.

            Lastly we have proof of Dolans true feelings towards victims
            and the statue of limitations he fights so hard against changes made to
            it. When New York sought to end the one year statue of
            limitations against child sex abuse, Cardinal Dolan cried about it.
            Dolan explained that he wanted to keep the statute of limitations for
            child sex abuse victims to one-year, because if the church gets sued,
            “The perpetrators don’t suffer. There’s no burden on them. What suffers
            are the services and the ministries of the apostolates that we’re doing
            now. Because where does the money come from? So the bishops of 30 years
            ago that allegedly may have reassigned abusers, they don’t suffer.
            They’re dead. So the people that suffer are those who are being served
            right now by the church. We feel that’s a terribly unjust burden.” This
            statement alone shows that Cardinal Timothy Dolan does not care one bit
            about the suffering of the abused or the unjust burden they carry. This
            statement shows that Cardinal Timothy Dolan cares more about the
            suffering and unjust burdens the Roman Catholic Church will face if
            these statue of limitations are changed so victims can finally seek
            justice against those who harmed them and those who covered up these
            crimes.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            CARDINAL BERNARD LAW:THE CASE OF PAUL SHANLEYCardinal
            Bernard F. Law, the once-powerful archbishop of Boston whose support
            has been eroding for months, suffered serious damage to his credibility
            yesterday with the release of hundreds of documents showing that he
            repeatedly and knowingly allowed an alleged serial pedophile to hold
            posts that allowed him access to children.No longer can Law say that he
            didn’t protect priests accused of misconduct:He promoted the Rev. Paul
            R. Shanley to pastor of a Newton church, gave him a clean bill of health
            to minister to Catholics in California, and endorsed his running a
            Catholic hostel in New York despite three decades of sexual abuse
            allegations against Shanley and documents claiming that Shanley had
            declared acceptable sex between men and boys and had declared that no
            sexual practice, including bestiality, causes psychic damage.No longer
            can Law say that he always acted based on the best medical information
            available to him.He praised Shanley for ”years of generous and zealous
            care” and an ”impressive record” after a church-ordered psychiatric
            evaluation found Shanley to have ”a great deal of psychological
            pathology.’ ‘Furthermore, Law’s predecessor had referred to Shanley in
            writing as a ”troubled priest,” and one of Law’s own priests had written
            ”it is clear to me that Paul Shanley is a sick person.”No longer can
            Law say that his first priority has been the people priests are ordained
            to serve—the stacks of documents produced yesterday provide no evidence
            that Law ever expressed a concern or a kind word about Shanley’s
            alleged victims, who number at least 26. Documents show that Law’s
            administration told a California diocese that Shanley was ”a priest in
            good standing”—even as scandals here made it important for the
            archdiocese of Boston to hustle Shanley out of town—and show that Law’s
            only expressed concern about Shanley’s later move to a New York hostel
            run by nuns was the possibility of negative publicity.In an
            extraordinary moment of drama, one of Shanley’s alleged victims
            yesterday called on God to punish Law, nearly 10 years after the
            cardinal used similar language to call on God to punish the news media
            for reporting on the case of pedophile priest the Rev. James R. Porter.
            ”You are a liar; your own documents condemn you. You are a criminal, a
            murderer of children; you degrade the office you hold in the church; you
            are an affront to Jesus Christ; and I call on Almighty God to bear
            witness to the foulness and treachery of your behavior, the evil you
            have nurtured and condoned, and the minds, hearts, and souls you have
            destroyed,” said Arthur Austin. ”Bernard Law, today I am the one who is
            calling … the wrath of God upon you.”Documents show the
            archdiocese’s shuffling of serial pedophile John J. Geoghan was not an
            anomaly. And the records find few heroes among church leaders—three
            cardinals of Boston, and multiple bishops, were aware of Shanley’s
            sickness, and yet each allowed him to continue working with children,
            despite complaints from a priest, inquiries by concerned nuns,
            allegations by laypeople, and a negative psychological diagnosis. Over
            and over, high church officials, including Law, treated Shanley with
            kindness and sympathy.THE CASE OF REV GOEGHAN:At Blessed Sacrament in Saugus 1962-1966
            The Rev. Anthony Benzevich reportedly tells church officials that
            Geoghan brings boys into his bedroom. Benzevich later denies it. In
            1995, Geoghan admits molesting four boys over 2 1/2 years while at
            Blessed Sacrament in Saugus.

            About 1968 Hingham father complains to church authorities
            that he caught Geoghan molesting his son, one of several accusations
            that emerged from St. Paul’s. At St Pauls in Hingham

            About 1968 Treated at Seton Institute, Baltimore.

            Early 1970s Joanne Mueller, single mother and member of St. Mary’s
            parish, Melrose, says Geoghan molested her four young boys at this time.
            Mueller says she informed the Rev. Paul E. Miceli at St. Mary’s.
            Mueller also says Miceli asked her to keep quiet. The family later sues
            and settles. Miceli disputes her account.

            Sept. 8, 1970 Humberto Medeiros named archbishop of Boston.
            Appointed cardinal on March 5, 1973. Cardinal Richard J. Cushing dies
            Nov. 2, 1970. At St Andrews, Jamacia Plains

            1977-1978 Geoghan is accused of molesting seven boys in the
            extended Dussourd family. Six of the children and the mothers later file
            suits, which are settled.

            Feb. 9, 1980 The Rev. John E. Thomas tells Bishop Thomas V.
            Daily that Geoghan admitted to molesting the Dussourd children. Daily
            calls up Geoghan and tells him to go home. Geoghan admits the abuse and
            says he “does not feel it serious or a pastoral problem.”

            Feb. 12, 1980 Placed on sick leave. Counseling ordered by
            Medeiros. Geoghan undergoes psychoanalysis and psychotherapy with Drs.
            Robert Mullins and John H. Brennan. At St Brenden’s in Dorchester

            Early 1980s Allegedly rapes and fondles Jamaica Plain boy. (Criminal counts 1 and 2 for the pending Suffolk trial. )

            July 24, 1982 Dussourds complain to Daily that Geoghan met
            one of the molested Dussourd children at an ice cream shop in Jamaica
            Plain. Was allegedly also seen there with another boy.

            Aug. 10, 1982 Margaret Gallant writes to Medeiros, complains
            that Geoghan is “still functioning,” despite molesting her nephews, the
            Dussourds.

            Sept. 17, 1983 Medeiros dies.

            March 23, 1984 Bernard F. Law installed as archbishop of Boston. Appointed cardinal on May 25, 1985.

            Sept. 18, 1984 Law removes Geoghan from parish after complaints he molested boys there. At St Julia’s in Weston

            Nov. 13, 1984 Assigned by Law to St. Julia’s, where Monsignor
            Francis Rossiter is “aware of past allegations.” Geoghan is put in
            charge of three youth groups, including altar boys.

            Dec. 7, 1984 Auxiliary Bishop John M. D’Arcy writes to Law
            and complains about Geoghan’s assignment to St. Julia’s because of his
            “history of homosexual involvement with young boys.”

            Dec. 11, 1984 Dr. Mullins: Geoghan “fully recovered.”

            Dec. 14, 1984 Dr. Brennan: no restrictions on his work as a parish priest.

            Feb. 26, 1985 D’Arcy appointed bishop of Fort Wayne/South Bend, Ind.

            1986 Patrick McSorley of Hyde park says he
            is molested by Geoghan. Geoghan allegedly molests boys at the Waltham
            Boys & Girls Club. Bishop Robert J. Banks is told Geoghan is accused
            of molesting boy at a pool.

            March 9, 1989 Banks learns of another 1986 accusation.

            April 3-12, 1989 St. Luke’s Institute, Maryland. Diagnosis: homosexual pedophilia.

            April 28, 1989 Geoghan is told by Bishop Robert J. Banks he had to leave ministry.

            May 24 – Nov. 17, 1989 Placed on sick leave.

            Aug. 10, 1989 – Nov. 4, 1989 Treated at Institute of Living,
            Hartford. Called “moderately improved” on release and recommendation is
            that he be returned to assignment.

            Nov. 30, 1989 Banks is unhappy with the Discharge Summary
            from the Institute for Living because it is different from what he
            understood and he used it to base his decision on allowing Geoghan to
            return to St. Julia’s.

            Dec. 13, 1989 Letter to Banks explaining the Discharge
            Summary: “The probability he would act out again is quite low. However,
            we could not guarantee that it would not re-occur.” Return to parish
            OK’d.

            Nov. 28, 1990 Note from Banks: “I would recommend him for parish, but decision left up to [another bishop] and BFL”–Cardinal Law.

            Dec. 7, 1990 Letter from Dr. Brennan: Geoghan OK for pastoral work.

            Oct. 23, 1991 Complaint about Geoghan “proselytizing” at a pool with a boy.While at Regina Cleri residence for retired priests

            April 4, 1994 Mother says Geoghan abused her son while he was at St. Paul’s in Hingham. Geoghan denies the accusation.

            Nov. 1994 Single mother from Waltham calls church to say
            Geoghan molested her four boys and made obscene phone calls to them.
            Placed on pre-trial probation. The case was dropped.

            Jan. 16-25, 1995 St. Luke’s report states: He “has a long
            history of pedophilic behavior … Father Geoghan should have no
            interpersonal contact with male minors that is unsupervised.”

            1995 Geoghan allegedly molests a Weymouth boy, including at the christening of boy’s sister. (Criminal counts 3 and 4 in Suffolk.)

            July 29, 1996 Spends four to six months in Southdown Institute, Ontario, for therapy.

            1998 Geoghan defrocked. Church settles 50 sex abuse cases against Geoghan for more than $10 million; 84 other cases pending.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            CARDINAL DONALD WILLIAM WUERL:

            Cardinal Donald Wuerl participated in many instances of covering up for pedophile priests.

            Donald J. Sotak. His assignments included headmaster posts at South Side Catholic and Canevin High Schools, as well as the pastor posts of Saint Francis Xavier in the North Side of Pittsburgh and Saint Joseph’s Parish in Natrona Heights. This also included an
            assistant pastor post in Mckeesport.

            Sotak died in 2004. During the celebration of the 40th anniversary of his ordination, in 2002, the parish church that was to hold the celebration was ever so coincidentally vandalized. Were the vandals, by any chance, making a deliberate statement in the vandalizing?

            Accusation: Full blown physical assault, to the tune of either attempted invasive contact or successful invasive contact.

            The accuser alleged that he was knocked unconscious during the conflagration which, accordingto him, was an intense altercation. He wasn’t sure what actually happened while he was unconscious.

            The alleged circumstance surrounding alleged assault: Donald Sotak’s accuser alleges that the assault took place after a dinner outing. The purpose of the dinner was to talk about the young man chances of achieving a vocation to the priesthood. The alleged assault took place after Fr. Sotak allegedly asked the gentleman very personal preference questions.

            In review: The accuser originally asked Sotak for vocational guidance, in the hope to receive assistance in entering a seminary, should he finally decide to pursue a vocation to the priesthood. They went to dinner, to discuss the matter. After dinner came the alleged altercation.Age of Accuser at the time of the alleged assault: 19, 20, or so.

            The following is alleged by Fr. Donald Sotak’s credible accuser:

            The alleged assault took place during the tenure of Pittsburgh diocesan bishop, Vincent Leonard, in the mid 1970s. – Sotak was immediately reported to Pittsburgh diocesan personnel, and the response was to quickly move Sotak to a new domicile.

            The accuser joined the Pittsburgh seminary in the 1980s, eventually being ordained a deacon.

            Donald Wuerl was the rector of the diocesan seminary at the time. Then Wuerl was ordained a bishop. In the beginning of 1988 Wuerl was assigned to Pittsburgh.

            Sotak’s accuser made his way to the diaconate, one step away from
            the priesthood. Yet, he was instructed by a vocation director that he
            was to tell people that he voluntarily delayed his ordination. Sotak’s
            accuser stated that the vocation director told him that he was to either sign that he voluntarily delayed his ordination or else “they” would dig-up some excuse to have his ordination delayed. Thus is described typical whistle blower retaliation.

            The accuser had a window view to the parking garage, where he would allegedly see Wuerl and a certain young man here and a certain young man there leave alone with Wuerl and later come back … mostly after classes which were held at the nearby Catholic University. That university is called Duquesne.

            A note of fact: Donald Wuerl became an auxiliary bishop in 1986 and was eventually sent to Seattle Washington, concerning the Hunthausen controversy. He was next assigned to the Pittsburgh diocese in 1988.

            It was under Wuerl when Sotak’s accuser was allegedly sent to a Philadelphia clinic for a psychological assessment. The alleged diagnosis was that the deacon was credible and suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Being diagnosed with PTSD augmented an accuser’s credibility.

            The Pittsburgh diocesan personnel refused to accept the final assessment of the Philadelphia clinic. They were apparently in search of an official sheet of paper which would state something differently about Sotak’s accuser. So, they demanded that Sotak’s accuser go for yet another psychological assessment in St. Louis or Maryland.

            Sotak’s accuser assumed that Wuerl was controlling his personnel on puppet strings and was the person who ultimately wanted an official sheet of paper stating something other than what was stated by the Philly clinic. This would mean that Wuerl was allegedly looking to play a game with loaded dice and a stacked deck of cards.

            It was at that point in time when Fr. Sotak’s accuser departed from
            diocesan ministry. Things had gotten far too Orwellian for him. He
            stated that he literally feared that he was going to be drugged into a
            catatonic state. He remembers his time of exit being 1994.

            This was during the musical chairs cover-up of a Fr Edward Huff.

            This was also the time when the Cipolla case was underway at the highest court of the Vatican.

            This was also shortly before James Torquato became Wuerl’s personal secretary. Incidentally, Sotak’s accuser remembers Torquato at the seminary.

            According to him, Torquato cow-towed to authority, as if to be seeking promotion points. The actual expression used to describe Torquato was “brown noser.”

            The Sotak case, being that it was allegedly covered-up from the middle 1970′s to the end of 2011, would easily qualify as Cardinal Wuerl’s sixth simultaneous cover-up during the same year; the year being 1988.

            Additionally alleged by the accuser was that – The diocese’s Fr. Charles Bober, STD, sent a letter to Sotak’s accuser, notifying him that he would get no stipend from the diocese.

            The accuser then had recourse to a Fr. Bob Guay, and accordingto him, he has been getting his $700 monthly stipend, even into the Year 2012. He stated that he didn’t get a check for January 2013. Such checks read, “For services rendered,” incidentally. The accuser also stated that the letter from the previously mentioned former vocation director of the Diocese of Pittsburgh sounded almost like a damning excommunication letter. There was no Peace of Christ within it, to say the least . . . at least according to Sotak’s accuser.

            During a meeting, diocesan personnel bragged to Sotak’s accuser that they had an excellent policy for handling clergy abuse victims. Yet, they said that the policy did NOT apply to Sotak’s accuser, because he was a deacon. HOWEVER, the alleged assault took place when Fr. Sotak’s accuser was a layman – civilian – parishioner. –

            Even in 2002, when Wuerl finally suspended several priests who had long since been attached to credible sex abuse allegations, he permitted Sotak to stay at his post.

            Years later, Sotak’s accuser was interviewed by Randy Engel. The subject matter was to be kept from the public, out of fear of
            retaliation against the accuser. This is important to note, because it
            shows that the accusations against Sotak is not something recently
            conjured. The accusation has been longstanding. I knew of the fact
            that there was a Father Sotak accused of having assaulted a certain
            person, by name, for years. Thus, these accusations are NOT new
            inventions.- In fact, while Sotak’s accuser was at another seminary, he was allegedly told by one of the faculty priests that Sotak alleged had other complaints against him. Then, suddenly, the complaints of other young men was no longer in the record … allegedly.

            THE CASE OF FATHER JAMES TORQUATO:

            Timeline The physically invasive actions of Wuerl’s former secretary occurred from 1990 to the middle of 1997.

            At least one of the priest’s homosexual antics took place in Wuerl’s Warwick Terrace residence. The predatory conduct actually didn’t end until a final ploy was committed during the 1997-1998 Christmas season. As far as concerns the retaliatory conduct, it occurred in 1998 and 1999. When the homosexual was reported, he was the president of one of the Pittsburgh diocesan high schools. Wuerl appointed him to that school in 1996. The priest was reported for long-term homosexual conduct in 1998.

            The Priest Approached his Prey First

            Concerning the young man who was targeted by Wuerl’s former secretary, he was first approached by the priest on the steps of a church, when the young gentleman was a still teenager. The mewly ordained priest presented himself as an undefined type of sociology researcher, claiming that he was seeking to learn what draws young people to church. The bottom line is that the young gentleman did not approach the priest first. This was 1990.

            An Outline of the Priest’s Conduct

            The priest’s conduct comprised a physically invasive form of sexual
            harassment that was accompanied by a misrepresentation as fraudulent as a wolf in shepherd’s clothing. It consisted in the priest preying on a situation that will not be detailed herein, and it involved the modus operandi reported by the 2002 media as the one commonly used by predators.

            A Diplomatic Way of Describing it

            There are forms of sexual harassment which consist in episodes of one-way contact that repeatedly result in the harassed person either
            diplomatically pushing away the harasser or moving away from him.
            Sexual harassment is not limited to verbal aggression. That is to say, there are forms of sexual harassment where a priest does not keep his hands to himself. Predatory cases are sometimes cloaked under the pretense of spiritual direction, where aggression is disguised behind authoritarian voice patterns. These types of cases don’t involve gullible prey. Rather, they are marked by a priest’s badgering of his intended target, for the sole purpose of achieving physical contact. They involve a priest abusing his power and influence, in creating the illusion that he is speaking in the name of God and Vatican II, when he is doing nothing more than orchestrating an intrusion. The authoritarian pretense is merely the first stage of the ploy.

            That which Constitutes Predatory Conduct and Abusive Acts

            It’s not required for a cleric to be a serial rapist, in order for him to constitute a predator. He simply has to engage in conduct that consists in him targeting an individual and then manipulating ways to physically intrude on the targeted prey in as severe a degree as he can, in his quest to consummate his lusts. It consists in a priest using a person as “an object of sexual gratification.”

            In a notarized letter sent to Donald Wuerl in February 1998, Torquato’s accuser described Donald Wuerl’s Warwick Terrace home as follows:

            “Furthermore, in order to show you that I am not telling you a falsehood, let me describe your Warwick Terrace home, in order to show you that I was at least there. Now, remember that Fr. Torquato
            would usher me in that house, as if he didn’t want anyone to see me.

            Anyway, the carpeting in Fr. Torquato’s room was orange. Whenever I got into the elevator, there was some kind of pole-shaped extension which you could accidentally hit with your head, if you weren’t looking at what you’re doing. He had shelves with a lot of books. He had a lot of CD’s. The bathroom was definitely to the right when you walked in. The shower had sliding doors. There were several icons on stands and on the shelves. My favorite one was the one of Jesus as an adult, with a solemn [perhaps sad expression on his face.] The kitchen sink reminds you of a school cafeteria’s sink. Fr. Torquato mentioned that the picture above the fireplace, in the living room, fell down by itself. He also told me that a squirrel infiltrated the house, and that you told him to go get it. I remember hard wood floors and high ceilings.“

            The most convincing part of the account was mention of the orange
            carpeting and the pole-shaped extension in the elevator by “which you could accidentally hit with your head, if you weren’t looking at what you’re doing.” Mention of the picture above the fireplace which
            mysteriously fell, and mention of the infiltration of a squirrel into
            Wuerl’s Warwick Terrace residence were the other features that gave Torquato’s accuser credibility. The addition of the descriptive
            eye-witness account, the cards, the letters, and the post marked
            envelopes mailed by Torquato to his future accuser is what makes his accuser convincingly credible.

            As far as goes the allegation of retaliatory conduct, its most pertinent piece of evidence was the tape recording of the harassment imposed upon Torquato’s accuser the evening after the second demand letter was dropped off at the Pittsburgh diocesan building. The previously mentioned police department citizen’s report form helps to establish credibility, also.

            An additional person caught in the middle of the Torquato retaliation once had a medium security clearance from the Pennsylvania Dept of Corrections, as well as the security clearance needed to carry a
            concealed firearm.

            This person also received the security clearances required to be a licensed Pennsylvania insurance agent. Now, the insurance clearances requires reasonably proving the person’s honesty. The clearance involved for concealed weapons licensing requires
            reasonable evidence that the applicant is safe and temperate.

            In addition, Father Torquato’s accuser had his share of security
            clearances, being that he was a care taker of mentally disabled adults. Therefore, this case is one where the accuser of the alleged invasive homosexual antics is not lacking in credibility, where the
            witness to both waves of retaliation is not lacking credibility. The
            fact that Fr. James Torquato immediately ensued with a retaliation gave credence to the allegation that he committed long-term and physically intrusive sexual harassment. The retaliation was merely an extension of his unruly and invasive acts of physical sexual harassment. He did not have temperance. Thus, he didn’t have the temperance to keep composed when he learned that he was reported to Wuerl. The invasive sexual harassment temperament and the retaliatory temperament were one and the same.

          • CSN

            Yes, Cardinal Wuerl also doesn’t deny Communion to Abortion supporters or anyone else for that matter. He’s a shame and a scam, but so is everyone who supports Post Vatican II documents.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Wait a minute…you find it more disgusting that he is giving communion to abortion supporters…but not much on his cover ups of the priest rapists of children?

            Boy do you got YOUR priorities wrong.

            I would much rather clean the church out of all the pedophile priests, all the psycho abusive nuns and all the leaders whom participated in this mass coverup than worry about people whom you talk about.

            Which is the bigger crime? The cover up of rapes of children by priests? Or the fact the ame priest who covered up these crimes is giving communion to people whom believe a woman has a right to decide what to do to her body?

            Let me ask you this. These priests also raped girls. Some of them became pregnant because of these rapes. Are YOU one of the ones whom would condemn a female rape victim whom becomes pregnant by her rapist…if she has an abortion? Also do YOU KNOW the rights the courts now have given to men whom rape women and a child comes from it have? Once they get out of prison they can petition the courts for joint custody, visitations and other things and the victim then gotta deal with that!!!!

          • CSN

            Not the True Church Frank. You’re bleating at the wrong group. Yes, Post Vatican II catholic church is no longer catholic.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            It’s a sign of psychosis that claiming other fanatics are somehow normal for not being fanatical enough. You’re the blind man grasping the elephants tail proclaiming what the elephant looks like not knowing he’ll soon know what the elephant smells like.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Really? Funny…they claim as well as the rest of the leaders this is the real church. Look CSN…I do not care if this happened before or after the Vatican II. All I care about is making each and every priest whom raped a child, each and every nun whom beat the daylights out of a child in one of the many RCC laundries, or the leaders whom covered up these crimes…to pay for their crimes.

            Whether these crimes were before or after the Second Vatican Council…does NOT CHANGE THE FACT THESE WERE COMMITTED UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Go to bishopaccountability.org. They have names, dates, parishes, photographs, court documents, etc. They are the largest and best data aggregator on this issue IMO.

          • Arekushieru

            Self-projection, much?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            You provide no evidence yet claim to be proven yet those who show you for a liar cite mountains of evidence have no proof. Frankly I’d love to live in a world where your sort of abuse doesn’t walk among us. A world where people can live without fear. I dunno where such a world is or what its called but thats where I’d like to be.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            So what would be concrete proof for you RJJ? You watching a priest rape a child on the altar or sacristy? Maybe your even joining them? See to me…anyone whom defends pedophiles…like you do…is more than likely a pedophile themselves…because only pedophiles defend fellow pedophiles.

          • Arekushieru

            Actually, what Mary is practicing more closely resembles Universalism as YOU apply it. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with it? After all, YOU are the one who equates Relativism with a universal application but then turn around and say that Universalism is equivalent to a relative concept. Newsflash for ya, dude, if it’s a universal concept and application only THEN can you say something is universal. Meaning, no, you can’t just change your mind on whether it’s universal or not based on whether or not you (specific you) agree with it. DERP.

            Finally, no, Mary doesn’t have to ‘prove’ that a majority of them are hypocrites and criminals by naming names and whatnot. The silence on the part of the rest speaks to Mary’s claim. After all, the onus is on THEM to prove that the majority of them are not hypocrites and criminals. It’s not up to the victims of the IMPOSITION of their (silently supported) policies, to do so. Kthxfinbainow.

          • RJJ

            “Univeralism” –I don’t know what you’re talking about. Sound like politican correctness. Since when is silence a proof of guilt? In our justice system it’s up to the accuser (victims and their lawyers or the prosecution) to prove the accusation with EVIDENCE. Looks like you’re supporting SNAP, a corrupt organization according to Catholic League, where accusations mean more than proof.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Wow you’re referring to that scumbag Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League for the Defense of Degenerate Pedophiles? The same piece of crap who accuses the victims? Who say that if they did not punch a priest in the mouth, then not only did the victim want it, he was gay? The same piece of human waste who insists it is not a pedophile problem in the church but a homosexual one? The same piece of dog dung that says all the women of the Magdalene and Good Shepherd Laundries who many were beaten to within an inch of their lives, whom some were even murdered….are liars and all the nuns are only victims of smear campaigns? The same piece of waste whom calls priest abuse survivors and nun abuse survivors nothing more than gold diggers looking for a payday from his church? The same sob who claims that being raped by a priest is comparable to his being slapped on the wrist by a nun when he was in school?

            The same scumbag who attacked SNAP and the Catholic Whistleblowers and deems them a menace to the RCC? Why? Because they are exposing the evil crimes that was perpetrated upon tens of thousands of children at the hands of pedophiles, hebephiles and ephebophiles of your church and the punk assed leader degenerates whom put the church before the children?

            That scumbag…hope he enjoys where he and all you apologists and defenders of these child rapists and abusers are in fact going to go…straight to hell.

            For Jesus Christ himself said: It would be better for you to tie a huge millstone around your neck and throw yourself into the deepest of lakes than to harm a single hair on the head of a child.

            Oh and how you pew polishers and your degenerate leaders and priests forget your own Catechism teachings:

            The Catechism offers a clear moral teaching: “Rape is the
            forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does
            injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom,
            and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It
            causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an
            intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed
            by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the
            children entrusted to them.” (no. 2356)

          • goatini

            Catholic League? You mean, notorious gasbag Donohue’s one-man RCC apologetics BS brigade?

          • Arekushieru

            So, you don’t even know the meaning of the word that you, yourself, used? Wow, that’s the most blatant admission of ignorance I’ve EVER heard from your ilk. But, please, stop, you’re an embarrassment to the human race.

            And we are not talking about law courts, but which are, indeed, HEAVILY skewed towards the perpetrators of crimes. rather than the victims. Law courts are one of the most eager to take advantage of the system we have in place that blames victims, after all. Seriously, DO try to keep up, ONCE in awhile.

            And I see you are okay with those who throw accusations not providing proof AS LONG AS the accusers aren’t the VICTIMS. Yes, you are a sad sack piece of shit.

          • HeilMary1

            Bully Bill Donohoe of Catholic “League” is an overpaid “League” of ONE. OK, maybe he has a secretary. That makes a “League” of TWO. SNAP and Abuse Tracker have documented probably millions of abuse victims worldwide. Most victims don’t officially report their complaints because of language barriers, statutes of limitation, or in my case, medical experiments don’t count in comparison to sexual assaults. I already checked that out in Maryland and Pennsylvania where my anti-choice mom medically trafficked me. Throughout my 11 years of RCC schooling, I also witnessed dozens of nuns brutally beat learning-disabled kids. Several of my parishes had playboy and pedophile priests. Where do you report nuns with weaponized rulers and priests diddling Orioles’ wives?? Only a couple decades ago, police would ignore such complaints. Many years ago, 60 Minutes did a report on stores in Ireland that sold brutal weapons to RCC clergy to be used on learning-disabled kids!

          • Jennifer Starr

            The pugnacious Mr. Donahue doesn’t care about ‘facts’ or ‘proof’. He doesn’t even care about the truth. He’s just a rape apologist who wants to attack and sweep under the carpet anything that makes his ‘beloved Church’ look bad.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Living proof of the Forrest Gump principle that being stupid is as stupid does.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            As someone who was abused and tortured by a priest and came out three years ago, I have been doing intense research on this evil problem. Well here is a PARTIAL LISTING of all credibly accused Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops whom participated in the cover ups of child rapes. They are condemned through their own diocese files and records, testimony from their very mouths in grand juries, and investigations by police in their cover ups. The BIGGEST reason these scumbags are NOT IN PRISON serving time for their crimes is the control the Unholy Roman Catholic Church of Degenerate Pedophiles have. Each and every time a legislature tries to change the statue of limitations they come out in droves to fight it so they can avoid prosecution for their crimes. Then they attack us victims and blame us for even standing up and making our voices heard. They attack any and all groups who seek justice for us survivors, including trying to bankrupt SNAP and slamming the Catholic Whistleblowers. Anyone with the guts to stand up to them are in fact attacked by them and their mouthpieces.

            I will also post the diocese and archdiocese that are involved. I will also do a partial listing of priests credibly accused and convicted because there are just way too many pedophile, hebephiles and ephebophiles in your degenerate churches.

            You wanted a listing? I agree with Mary…but I will put it this way…before you self righteous bigoted child raping freaks and criminals attempt to remove a mote from someone elses eyes…first remove the freaking logs from your own. Oh and I will have to do this in a few postings…cause there is just so many names and diocese I have to post here.

            Let us start with the CREDIBLY ACCUSED LEADERS WHOM COVERED UP THESE EVIL RAPES AND ABUSES:

            Popes: John Paul II, Paul VI and Benedict XVI.

            Cardinals: Timothy Dolan, Donald Wuerl, Bernard Law, Roger Mahony, Justin Rigali, Adam Maida, Agostino Vallini, Angelo Scola, Angelo Sodano, Anthony Bevilacqua, Dominik Duka, Franc Rodé, Francis George, George Pell, Humberto Medeiros, John Krol, Juan Cipriani, Keith O’Brien, Leonardo Sandri, Marc Ouellet, Norberto Rivera, Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, Patrick O’Malley, Peter Turkson, Richard Cushing, Sean Brady, Tarcisio Bertone, Thomas Winning, Wilfrid Fox Napier, William Levada and many, many more.

            Archbishops: André Richard, Charles J. Chaput, Denis Hart, Diarmuid Martin, Ernest Léger, Jerome Listecki, Jerome Hanus, John J. Myers, José Horacio Gomez, Mario Conti, Peter Gerety, Peter Sartain, Rembert Weakland, Robert Carlson, Theodore McCarrick, Valéry Vienneau, William Edward Cousins and many, many more.

            Bishops: Anthony O’Connell, Bill Wright, Carl Mengeling, Christopher Foster, David Zubik, Edward Cullen, Eugene Larocque, Gabino Miranda, George H. Guilfoyle, George Leo Thomas, Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, Hans Hermann Groer, Henry Kennedy, Howard Hubbard, James Garland, James Hoeppner, James Kavanagh, James Murray, John B McCormack, John Magee, Joseph Cistone, Joseph Devine, Joseph Imesch, Kenneth Povish, Laurence Glenn, Leo Clarke, Marco Antonio Ordenes, Michael Bransfield, Michael John Browne, Michael Malone, Patrick Cooney, Raymond Lahey, Richard Malone, Richard Sklba, Robert Finn, Robert Rose, Seamus Hegarty, Thomas Curry, Thomas V. Daily, Vincent Leonard, William Lynn, Wilton Gregory and many, many more.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            The Diocese and Archdiocese that had problems with Pedophile (scum priests who rape children under 10), Hebephiles (scum priests who rape kids between the ages of 11 to 14) and Ephebophiles (scum priests who rape kids ages 15 to 19) and the leaders who covered up these crimes:

            Archdiocese and Diocese: Albany, Antigonish, Ayacucho, Birmingham, Boston, Chicago, Cloyne, Crookston, Detroit, Dublin, East Anglia, Edinburg, El Paso, Fort Wayne-South Bend, Grand Rapids, Green Bay, Hartford, Joliet, Kalamazoo, Kansas City-St. Joseph Mo, Las Cruces, Los Angeles, Manchester NH, Marquette, Middlesbrough, Milwaukee, Newcastle-Maitland, New York, Newark, Northampton, Orange, Parramatta, Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Saginaw, Santa Rosa, Scranton, St Andrews, St Louis, Venice and many, many more. Diocese and Archdiocese from Ireland, NSW, Australia, Germany, Italy, France, and many other countries are not even included in this listing.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Now for the Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Ephebophiles of your disgusting church…hold on it is a very long list:

            OH AND EVEN JUST ONE PRIEST BEING ON THIS LIST…IS ONE TOO MANY.

            Alan D. Jupin, Alfred Miller, Andrew Abdon, Andrew Doyle, Archie H. Adams, Arturo Ahumada

            Battista Ricca, Bernard Casper, Bernard Shero, Bennet Akuzie, Bill Carney, Bill Dougherty, Brenden Smyth, Brian Spillane, Bruce Duncan MacArthur,

            Camille Léger, Carl Stone, Carl Urban, Carroll Howlin, Charles Engelhardt, Charles R. Celeste, Charles Leonard Connor, Ciro Benedettini, Cornelius Ryan,

            Daniel Aerts, Daniel Barfield, Daniel Budzynski, Daniel J. Maher, Daniel Medina, David Dzermejko, David G. Bentley, David Holley, David J. Hanser, David Rapson, Denis McAlinden, Dennis Druggan, Dennis Duggan, Dennis Laesch, Dennis Wagner, Desmond Gannon, Don Patrizio Poggi, Donald Heydens, Donald Musinski, Donald Ophals, Donald Starks, Dozia J. Wilson,

            Edmund Borcyz, Edward Avery, Edward C. Pratt, Edward Huff, Edward J. Shoback, Edward Leroux, Eldred Lesniewski, Eugene Kreuzer,

            Francis Pucci, Francis X. Trauger, Frank Klep, Franklyn William Becker, Federico Lombardi, Francis Lundy

            Gale Leifeld, Gary Bueche, Gary J. Mercure, George Etzel, George Nuedling, George Zirwas, Gerald Ridsdale, Gerald Ruane, Gerald Shirilla, Glenn Davidowich, Gordon Bennett, Gordon Rideout, Guy Hartcher, Guy Thoren,

            Irois Despres,

            Jack Ayers, Jack Gubbels, James Brennan, James C. McNerney, James Chaning-Pearce, James E. Kelly, James Fletcher, James Godin, James Holtz, James J. McDevitt, James J. Rosch, James Martin Donaghy, James Nadeau, James Patrick Jennings, James Porter, James Torquato, James Wysocki, Jeffrey Acebo, Jeremiah Nunan, Jerold Linder, Jerome Gingras, John C. Allard, John H. Acres, John L. Abrams, John (Jack) Connor, John F. Fitzpatrick, John Geoghan, John Gillespie, John Gow, John Hammer, John Hoehl, John Manzi, John McCullagh, John Mea, John H. Mulholland, John P. Klebie, John Partick Feeney, John Patrick Bertolucci, John Ryan, John P McGarry, John P. Schmeer, John Tulipana, John Tupper, John W. Broderick, John Wellinger, Jorge Acosta, Joseph A. Abruzzese, Joseph A. Mancuso, Joseph Carne, Joseph E. Flood, Joseph Gallagher, Joseph Gausch, Joseph J Gallagher, Joseph Liang, Joseph R. Romano, Joseph Sito, Jude Ellinghausen, Julian Fox, Julio Cesar Guarin-Sosa

            Kevin Reynolds,

            Lawrence Murphy, Lawrence Nawrocki, Lawrence Pizzutti, Leo P. Landry, Leo T. Riley, Leonard A. Abercrombie, Leonard Wilkuski, Leroy White, Levi Noel, Lionel Augustine Abeywickrema, Louis Baudone, Louis E. Douglas

            Mark Haight, Maxwell Halahan, Michael Aulsebrook, Michael Baker, Michael Benham, Michael Charles Glennon, Michael Daly, Michael Drew, Michael Fugee, Michael Hogan, Michael J. Miller, Michael Krejci, Michael McCarthy, Michael Nocita, Michael Tierney, Michael Walsh

            Neil Cawlings, Nicolas Aguilar-Rivera

            Owen O’Sullivan

            Patrick Barrett, Patrick Crowley, Patrick Maguire, Patrick McCabe, Paul Gotta, Paul Shanley, Peter A. Burns, Peter J. Dunne, Phillip Dedera,

            Ralph Di Pasquale, Ralph Quane, Raymond J. Adamsky, Raymond Hoefgen, Raymond J. Ethier, Raymond Leneweaver, Richard J. Ahern, Richard Bennett, Richard “Marquise of Sade” Zula, Richard Mataconis, Robert Burkholder, Robert Chabak, Robert H. Purcell, Robert Haener, Robert J. LeFevre, Robert L Brennan, Robert Marsicek, Robert S. Shinos, Robert Wolk, Robert Wyzgoski, Roger Schneider, Ron Gronowski, Ron Lenguin, Ron Williams, Ronald Engel, Rubin Abaya, Russell L. Romano,

            Salvatore Rodino, Seán Fagan, Sean McMahon, Shawn Ratigan, Siegfried F. Widera, Stanley Gana

            Ted Simpson, Terrence Pidoto, Thomas Adamson, Thomas Daly, Thomas DeVita, Thomas Doyle, Thomas Kieran Ahearn, Thomas Shoback, Thomas Smolich, Thomas Trepanier, Tim Crowley, Timothy Szott, Tom Brennan, Tom Stanford, Tony Conti, Tony Flannery, Tony McSweeney

            Vincent Bryce, Vincent DeLorenzo, Vincent Ryan

            Walter Lezuchowski, Wilfrid Diamond, William Brennan, William Carney, William Heim, William J. Effinger, William Hodgson Marshall, William Paulish, William Steven Albaugh, William Wert, Wladyslaw Gorak,

            Xiu Hui “Joseph” Jiang

            Yvon Arsenault

          • CSN

            Go to Youtube and look up Father John O’Conner specifically: Priest John O’Conner (1987). I cannot post the link here as they take all of my links off this site. Father John O’Conner was expelled from the Dominicans for exposing the fact that their seminarians and enrollees were not accepted unless they #1. Said Homosexuality was not a sin. #2. Were a practicing homosexual. He was expelled from his own order due to that reason. He died in the 90’s, but his words are very true.

          • fiona64

            No one takes your links away; you just go into moderation if you put more than one in a post. I’ll thank you to provide even one valid citation to back up the nonsense that you posit here.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Your words are very fake.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            CSN I already know about Father John O’Conner as I have written about this courageous man many times on my blog. But here is the difference between O’Conner and myself.

            I no longer belong to the RCC. I excommunicated myself a long time ago. I live in abject poverty. I was diagnosed with severe and traumatic PTSD in relationship to what that priest did to me that night at St Thomas More parish. I live on disability, though I am really trying to get off it through my nature photography.

            What are they going to take away from me that has not already been done to me?

            They have gotten away with their actions for so long by making everyone fear them. What I found liberating was…once I stopped fearing them….they started to fear me…evidenced by their sicking their Pit Bull Bill Donohue on me…but I am not afraid of Pig Face Donohue nor anyone any longer.

            See if I die? I die. I already have died many times. I have tried to kill myself many times because of what that priest did to me and by all standards I should be dead. Even my own psychiatrist and therapist admits…I have survived at least one dozen, serious suicide attempts…I am still here for a reason, my mission is not done on this earth…and that mission is to make each and every one of these criminals pay for their crimes.

          • RJJ

            And your list is based on what resource? Whose list is this? And what is the direct evidence against them, not just accusations? The Catholic League already proven that SNAP is a corrupt organization. I’m really sorry for what happened to you and I cannot know what you have gone through. Those clerics who are responsible should have
            been brought to justice. However, a number of clergy have been falsely accused and that is just as wrong. I know of 2.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            We have proven what the Catholic League is all about. That Bill and those who support him are just as sick and twisted, just as much a bunch of degenerates as the priests who raped us and the nuns who abused us and the freak leaders whom covered it up. When that low life scumbag blames the victims…when he says if a victim did not punch the priest in the face then he not only wanted it, he was a fag, or when Bill says it is a homosexual problem arguing over semantics about the word pedophile…well then we believe that Bill and anyone else who listens and follows him should be locked up for the safety of children, because only a fellow pedophile protects and defends a fellow pedophile.

            Oh and I am NOT with SNAP. They know my story, they have it on their website…but I am planning, through my own research of FEDERAL LAWS…to take down the whole pedophile circus of the Unholy RCC. That you can believe.

            Oh and how do I know the people on this list are in fact guilty of their covering up the child rapes? Through three years of my own research in court documents, church documents, grand jury testimony, news reports and many, many other sources.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Yeah but I see you are standing up for the other 10,000’s and more who have been credibly accused.

          • Arekushieru

            I see Marc Ouellet is listed as one of the Cardinals. He is a Canadian. And I feel so fucking sick that I even THOUGHT about supporting him for the position of Pope, now. You have my sincere apologies for any pain that his complicit silence may have inflicted upon you and any other survivors of child sexual abuse at the hands of the clergy.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Thank you Arekushieru. Time for the Pope to cleanse the Temple like Jesus did and drive out the hypocrites and child molestors.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Thank you. We will win…one day. All of these people who committed these crimes…will go to prison.

          • CSN

            No they won’t go to prison. The way the laws are written they’ll get away with it, because they’re writing up new laws to encourage Pedophile behavior as normal. Once it hits the “normal” list, anything goes, and those who fight it will be thrown into prison.

          • fiona64

            Citation needed.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            he needs something else too, but do they make anti-psychotics that strong?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            and yet you still support the slime. utterly revolting.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Well CSN you can doubt me all you wish. A seminary student who was harmed by these psychos was told the same thing when he filed his RICO suit against the Church. Even the man whom wrote the RICO statue said he had a snowballs chance in hell to win. Well I guess there were snowballs in hell that day that stayed frozen…cause he won.

            So will I. They can come after me all they wish too…I am used to it. I am used to them calling me a liar, saying I was a faggot because I did not punch the priest who raped me in the face, or many other things they have attacked me with.

            SEE CSN I USED TO BE AFRAID OF THEM…NOT ANY LONGER,,,BUT THEY BETTER FEAR ME.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Practicing Catholics like me are embarrassed, ashamed, and angry over
            this entire scandal, especially with the actions of the hierarchy
            involved.

            Really? I sure the hell do NOT see you pew polishers marching in protest demanding that the leaders whom you are so ashamed and embarrassed about and so angry over this entire scandal…demanding they be immediately fired if they have credible evidence against them and that they be arrested and prosecuted for those crimes.

            Typical pew polisher…run your mouth against survivors and victims and our supporters whom are demanding justice and all those who either covered up these crimes or raped us be arrested and prosecuted….then we are deemed hatefilled scum who are seeking to destroy your church. Well get the hell over yourselves.

            Here is the deal. If YOU stay in that church knowing full well what was going on, if YOU stay in that church knowing what your leaders have done, your priests and nuns gave done, if you stay in your church giving them money and praise, if you stay in this church and do NOT demand the immediate arrest and trials of all of these people, including your Pope Emetrius Benedict XVI…THEN YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS THEY ARE FOR THEIR CRIMES. YOU TOO WILL SUFFER THE ETERNAL PAINS OF HELL FIRE FOR YOUR ACTIONS IF YOU DO NOT START STANDING UP FOR THE SURVIVORS INSTEAD OF STANDING UP FOR YOUR CHURCH.

          • Anonymously_Treading

            Thank you, Frank, thank you. You said it way better than most.

          • CSN

            Go to WFTS Catholic Radio by googling and see how the True Church still lives.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I’ve seen from the inside, luckily I got out alive.

          • expect_resistance

            It’s annoying that the posts with links get flagged as spam. There are times when it really helps to post a link.

            BTW I love your posts. I wish I could up vote you more than once.

          • HeilMary1

            Love your posts too!

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          The fact that you can’t comprehend such things as proof or citations says more about you than Mary, none of it good on your end.

        • expect_resistance

          You are a laughable little troll. HailMary has more intelligence in her pinky than you do in your entire brain.

          • RJJ

            Thanks. I’m glad I’m getting under skin.

          • expect_resistance

            Whatever priest pedophile enabler.

          • Arekushieru

            You only wish. Foolish dreamers such as yourself never can grasp reality, however.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Do you even realize how perverse that sounds?

        • fiona64

          Um, really? Did you miss the memo about the big ol’ pedophilia cover-up in the RCC? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/sex-abuse-church-revealed-secret-files-los-angeles_n_3684329.html is just one of the *numerous* sources out there that discusses the matter.

          • RJJ

            No I didn’t. That link cites one case. Not the majority of the USCCB bishops that HeilMary infers in his/her post. I’ve followed this since the beginning. Show me the sources that prove more than 50% of the bishops were involved.

          • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

            Read what I have posted….then shut your mouth.

          • fiona64

            Actually, it refers to *numerous* cases and goes into detail about one specific priest. Reading for comprehension may be of help to you in future discussions of this sort.

            http://www.michaelparenti.org/VaticanShuffle.html

            Quote: Reports
            released by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (one of the more honest organizations in the Catholic Church) documented the abuse committed in the United States by 4,392 priests against thousands of children between 1950 and 2002. One of every ten priests ordained in 1970 was charged as a pedophile by 2002. Another survey commissioned by the US bishops found that among 5,450 complaints of sexual abuse there were charges against at least sixteen bishops. So much for a few bad apples.

    • AugustineThomas

      Half the priests I know are below 30.

      • HeilMary1

        Because the older pedophiles have died from AIDS from their Bangkok and Manila sex tourism!

      • colleen2

        You should take up a prison ministry. So many older Priests are in jail . You should get to know some. Perhaps one of them needs a kidney and you, special you, could save his child rapist life by donating one of yours. Just think how satisfying that would be.

        • HeilMary1

          You’ve found the perfect ministry for Augustine!

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Every priest I know is either gay or childlike. All of them are over 40.

        • bluedixie

          From which I deduce that you live on Mars.

          • HeilMary1

            You Martian invaders with your pedophile witch doctors should go home.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            hey thats not fair to martians (assuming there is any right now).

          • Arekushieru

            Hey, if we colonize Mars, do you really think humans would leave any species living there alone or alive? But, then again, if we do colonize Mars, won’t WE become the Martians? Kinda reminds me of that movie Sphere, btw.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Its not that far off from how I feel, even as a little kid I had an interest in astronomy, while others watched Starsky & Hutch I was watching Space:1999 (if you know either of those you can guess how old I am). though probably most offworlders we’d meet would probably avoid us. to put it another way I joke among my friends that if I was abducted by aliens I’d ask to be let off someplace completely different. but no such luck (good or bad) as I’ve never even seen one. but enuff for now, back to the regularly scheduled argy bargy

          • Arekushieru

            Oh, yes, I do remember Space 1999 and Starsky and Hutch. But I never watched either TV show. In the ACTUAL year of 1999, I had already been out of school for four years, btw.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I was finishing college & working then, heard later on there was a fan con on sept.13th of that year but no I didn’t go (was LA I think? or someplace out of my reach)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No I live in Phlly. They just closed all 9 RCCs in my area. No one to keep them open. All the priests who ran them were over 40 and childlike or gay.

          • HeilMary1

            I used to live in Roxborough, Somerton, Hatboro and Doylestown, PA. Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in Doylestown had THREE pedophiles, and one desperate young priest even hit on disfigured me! I couldn’t believe my ears! This happened before the scandals hit the news.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We were neighbors. Kool. I feel so sorry for these poor asexual childish authoritarian men. But not that sorry. They cause a lot of pain.

          • HeilMary1

            In hindsight, they are so obviously warped, infantile and gynophobic.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yeah and they let them at you when you are a child, so what do you know. Nothing. It is not until you are an adult that you can figure things like that out.

          • HeilMary1

            What parts of Philly have you lived in? I also went to Kutztown U.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I have lived in West Philly. Now I live in the Frankford section not far from the river in the Northeast.

          • melwhat

            Please leave us ace people out of this.

          • Arekushieru

            I was going to say the same thing, melwhat. But I didn’t and I probably should have. Plum Dumpling, while I adore most of your comments, I have to agree with what mel said.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What is an “ace” person?

          • Arekushieru

            Asexual. Mel and I are both asexual.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Was not meant as a criticism. Just an observation. I am pretty asexual myself. I actually cannot remember exactly when the last time I had sex was. Big surprise to me to be this way. I like it. I must make amends if I offended.

          • HeilMary1

            Me too regarding “love life”. What the sex-hating fetal idolaters don’t get is that us sex-defenders are probably more celibate and virtuous than their closets, attics, dungeons, sheds and rented storage spaces full of covered-up sex offenses, abandoned kids and forced abortions.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            After spending my life surrounded by people like you living on mars has its attractions. Anyone have Robert Zubrins phone #?

          • bluedixie

            Never met him. Who is he by the way ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Aerospace engineer and author. Probably not as familiar to you as the members of One Direction, but he is quite well-known.

          • bluedixie

            And One Direction ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Presumably you’d know better than I, as I’m assuming from your writings that you’re in that general age group.

          • bluedixie

            Never heard of it/them.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Hey, someone else who watches science channel and reads as well. Knowing that I see you live up to your last name.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Thank you very much :)

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Robert Zubrin is an astronomer and a very intelligent person, hence your lack of knowledge of who he is. He’s also a proponent of people exploring and settling on mars. I hate to use the same movie quote twice in one convo buuuut: “google fool do you use it?”

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      If the truth was known to all I have doubts about how many are really celibate.

      • HeilMary1

        Dr. Richard Sipe believes 90% have affairs, and 50% at any given time.

    • CSN

      You’re name fits your character miss *itchy.

  • AugustineThomas

    “WAAAAAA! the Catholics are blocking me from my free government services and I’m fat, lazy and worthless so I WON’T provide for myself, WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!”

    • HeilMary1

      No, the mother-killing pedophile cult terrorists are kicking overworked Americans out of living wage jobs and affordable health care just to keep all American women in deadly, disfiguring, divorce-causing and bankrupting incubating slavery for spoiled pedophile priests.

      There! I fixed for ya!

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        Though I don’t say it the same way very often what you’ve said is essentially the right thing. too many are not able to make a living wage while too few hoard the lions share of the resources. I won’t argue with the cult label either, I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

        • HeilMary1

          The exploited chaos of forced overpopulation benefits many strange bedfellows: CEOs who need slave labor, weapons manufacturers who need new wars, pharmaceutical companies that need guinea pigs, human traffickers who need fresh bodies, demagogues who need scapegoats, and pedophiles who need new kids.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            1 of the movies I’ve seen recently (I still go once a month or so) was Elysium. That was the basic theme of the whole movie, it was downright scarey, especially Sharlito Cropley’s character.

    • expect_resistance

      This is what I don’t understand from Catholics like you. You think that if the poor need help somehow they are fat and lazy. Did Jesus demonize the poor? No. The only thing that is redeeming out of Catholicism is the Catholic anarchist movement founded by Dorthy Day. They clothed and fed the poor. Unlike you demonizing those in poverty.

      • HeilMary1

        Jesus would hang out with Dorothy Day, not Carl Rove, Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          Look at the bible itself and you’ll see he didn’t hang out wit the religious fanatics of his time, he did spend his time with those who needed it average people living the normal day by day and those looked down on the religious fundamentalists of the time. Which doubles the irony of the present fanatics using him to shame those who they now hate.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        I’ve said it before, all “chrstian” religions act much the same way with very few individual exceptions. I’ve grown up surrounded by protestent extremists and some of the things I’ve heard them shock you. they’ll lie to your face repeatedly, tell you their doing it for your own good then claim your straight from hell when they’re not believed.

  • AugustineThomas

    You’re the infanticide cult, you pathetic, ignorant leftist ingrate.

    Christian monks built modernity and gave your fat, lazy, and easy modern life.

    Your infanticide cult has brought STDs, baby murder, suicide, sexual abuse and every other negative indicator to an all time high.
    In two generations you’ve ruined all the greatest countries in history and you have the gall to pretend to lecture Catholics?

    Putz!

    • Jennifer Starr

      Does Mommy know that you play on the computer while you’re supposed to be doing homeschool lessons?

    • HeilMary1

      Margaret Sanger created America’s middle class by freeing your dad and granddad from 100 hour work weeks to support 10-30 kids each. Her family planning reduced slave labor competition for dwindling automated jobs, thereby forcing employers to raise wages to fill jobs. She doubled the life spans of men and women by reducing killer work hours and avoiding childbirth deaths from non-stop pregnancies.

      Your denial of starvation- and maternal death-avoiding contraception is now bankrupting and starving the world. You murderously, sadistically want the US to be a garbage heap like forced overpopulated Catholic poverty pits in Latin America and the Philippines (where you pedophiles vacation with your STD-spreading Viagra)!

      Why don’t you criminalize pedophilia-, abortion- and STD-causing VIAGRA, you hypocrite murderer of already born females?!

  • colleen2

    Your post contains a link to a petition that places the invented ‘interests’ of zygotes and embryos above those of pregnant women and children. Such tactics are disgusting and pathetic. We are not as stupid as the women who vote for Mrs Palin.

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      regarding Sarah Palin I can only say this: Anyone who campaigns wearing a jacket loaded with boob zippers is not appealing to conscience.

  • lady_black

    Are you out of your mind? Obamacare will help you with that.

  • lady_black

    NO.

  • Jennifer Starr

    A page for an organization run by Lou ‘I’ve lost control of my pelvis’ Engle? No thanks, I just ate.

    • expect_resistance

      OMG, I just about spit my coffee out reading that comment.

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      Perhaps he should use the “My pelvis made me do it” defense.

  • expect_resistance

    I love that quote by Gandhi. And I second your post!

    • bluedixie

      I would’nt look too deeply into Gandhi’s early life if I were you. You might not like all you find.

      • Jennifer Starr

        And?

      • expect_resistance

        Care to elaborate?

        • bluedixie

          Read it for yourself. He had some odd ideas about women before he came back to India.

          • expect_resistance

            Don’t have time. You brought it up, you spell it out. Do your own research.

          • fiona64

            You made the assertion; the burden of proof is on you.

            I’ll bet you’re the kind of chap who bought essays off of other students rather than write his own at school, seeing as how you want others to do your homework for you.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I am in love with Gandiji. i have read a great deal about him. To what are you referring?

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        If your back pocket had a smoke alarm it would be on overdrive right now.

        • bluedixie

          Meaning what exactly ? Say what you mean and mean what you say.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Dumkoff it means your blowing smoke out your butt. Or to put it as Samual jackson said it: English fool do you speak it?

            Oh and since you clearly don’t get it, I say and do what I mean which is what separates me from you. On that note I’ll just say this: its long time past you stopped worshipping at the alter of Jerry Springer.

  • Jennifer Starr

    I understand completely.

  • expect_resistance

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • colleen2

    I see. My apologies. I did not understand you were using that link as an example.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    And you can go to John Boehner’s facebook page. Give him some love.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    No way. I am pro abortion and contraception for women who want abortion and contraception.

  • bluedixie

    I’ve read some crap in my time but this takes the biscuit. Have you never heard of conscience ? Have you got one ? Respect for conscience is what the bishops are requesting; that’s not a great deal. If people don’t want babies let them pay for their own contraception. After all you would’nt contribute to a pro life organisation because you disagree. Or is that too difficult for you to comprehend ?

    • Jennifer Starr

      But they are paying for their own. It’s their insurance and they pay the premiums out of their pay and benefits. Unless the bishops are being forced to ingest contraception themselves, I don’t see where their ‘conscience’ even comes into it. Furthermore, ‘pro-life’ pharmacists still whine about their ‘consciences’ when they have to fill a prescription for contraception and they don’t pay for those either.

    • HeilMary1

      Dummy, the mother-killing, pedophile priest-protecting bishops murdered my 30-something diabetic neighbor by denying him health care just to punish women who refuse to commit suicide by breeding fresh victims for your holy pedophiles. Your criminal Munchausen by Proxy psycho bishops do not have the right to commit malpractice (without licenses!) against already born women, children, gays and the disabled just to indulge their sadistic killer heresies. We women already pay for our own contraception through our insurance premiums, and your bully bishops want to cut off even that while they pick our pocketbooks to fund their criminal Viagra sprees in Manila and Bangkok!

    • colleen2

      We would ask that you and the Bishops recognize that women also have the absolute right to freedom of religion and association, freedom of conscience and that the United States has never been a nation in which employers were able to dictate the reproductive lives of their female employers. We are not cows and the Bishops are not farmers. They’re disgusting, useless old men. It is none of your business if and when adults women have sex and it is certainly none of your busi9ness how we conduct our religious and spiritual lives.
      The notion that you or the Bishops respect conscience is nonsense. You would force women to have children when there are no resources for properly caring for them. You consciously and systematically set about denying women the ability or resources to properly care and feed for these children and THEN you DARE to lecture us on CONSCIENCE? fuck you.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        What you said at the end putting “men” in quotations sums up how I feel. Anyone who doesn’t treat all people as equals is not a man. Btw, this is very likely another sockpuppet of the same person who’s been trolling the comments in many articles here.

    • fiona64

      Since I’m not Catholic, I don’t need to take direction from a bunch of celibate old men in dresses.

      Just sayin’ …

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        except many are not celibate when the facts come out.

  • bluedixie

    Obama a messiah ! Now I’ve heard everything. No wonder America is a mess.

    • HeilMary1

      America is a mess because your Nazi Vatican smuggled 100,000 Nazis to the Americas to support the GOP and Latin dictators.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      He is saving my lovely ass. Go Obama! It’s your birthday. Go Obama!

      • HeilMary1

        Obama isn’t liberal enough for me, but I’m so relieved to have him as president over our GOP options.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          He is a moderate Republican of the Eisenhower type. I am grateful to have him too.

  • bluedixie

    You mean all christians presumably including Obama, Pellosi et al ?

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      No, she means full of shit christians like you.

    • fiona64

      No, I am pretty sure s/he is referring to CINOs like yourself (Christian in name only). Rabbi Yeshua wouldn’t recognize his teachings in your mouth.

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      better them than anti-humans like you.

  • bluedixie

    And regrettably they are very misguided.

    • Oswald Carnes

      Fuck you and whatever toxic condom you crawled out of.

      • bluedixie

        What an amazing command of language you have !

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          What an amazing command of Barfucious you have. Stick that in your frictionary.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    I doubt Christ would annonce himself publicly if he came back around here, those pretending to be “christians” would probably do him harm or die trying.

  • Deker71

    We’re raising a generation of “sluts” by telling our kids that pleasure is the most important thing in life now that we have chemicals that will prevent pregnancy. These kids will have no self-respect, and will not be able to develop any long-term relationships. Contraception has increase the number of STDs from 4 in the 1960s to 30 today, not to mention that they, like abortion, increase the risk of breast cancer. So where is the reproductive and mental health in all this?

    • Jennifer Starr

      Lots of histrionics and hyperbole there. About the only thing you didn’t jam in there is that birth control makes Baby Jeebus cry. Want to try again?

    • HeilMary1

      Stinky childbirth bladder and bowel incontinence is a real relationship killer. Why do you think the “marriage-touting” Vatican still bans marriage for priests to “piles of dung” women? Why do you think most GOP men cheat on and divorce their first and second brood mares and have ZERO kids with their trophy third wives?? Who can afford the 10-30 kids ALL couples would have if they relied on the fraudulent UNnatural Family Cramming scam pushed by spoiled pedophile priests? And don’t get me started on female fetuses triggering lethal breast and face cancers in many women I know/knew. You fetal idolaters love harping on the low hormone dangers of BC pills, then pretend the extremely high estrogen levels caused by female fetuses has no connection to their mothers’ SIMULTANEOUS cancers!

    • fiona64

      Contraception has increase the number of STDs from 4 in the 1960s to 30
      today, not to mention that they, like abortion, increase the risk of
      breast cancer.

      Citations needed. Thanks in advance.

      Especially since there is NO link whatsoever between abortion and breast cancer.

      http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/moreinformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer

      Quote (emphasis added):

      Conclusion

      The topic of abortion and breast cancer highlights many of the most challenging aspects of studies of people and how those studies do or do not translate into public health guidelines. The issue of abortion generates passionate viewpoints in many people. Breast cancer is the most common cancer in women aside from skin cancer; and breast cancer is the second leading cancer killer in women. Still,
      the public is not well-served by false alarms. At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer or any other type of cancer.

      • fiona64

        For Deker71, in moderation:

        Just a pro-tip for you: correlation does not equal causation. If you had bothered to read the link I provided (which you obviously did not do), you would have seen the fundamental, methodological flaws in the studies you cite.

        You’re welcome.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          If his methods were real I could easily make the assertion that stomach cramps I had while watching wrestling on tv (hey it was a slow monday night, nothing on) were related. Therefore I could make the (completely bogus) claim that Paul Hayman gives me gas (hmmm then again maybe not far off the truth either, jk).

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      Tell that to child victims of abuse by you and your ilk, or those who grew up in households like yours who were shamed as “sluts” even when many were virgins. clearly you never learned that which you do to others is also done to you.

  • Jennifer Starr

    But in a public school they’re going to have the guy immediately arrested by law enforcement. It’s not going to be hushed up, the victim pressured into silence while the teacher is shuttled off to some other school where he can have fresh victims or sentenced to ‘prayer and penance’ instead of a jail cell where he belongs. Some devout catholics even believe that abusive priests shouldn’t be arrested by secular law enforcement, believing them to be ‘special’ and above the law. That’s the difference

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      Likely the very same people who keep screaming for a theocratic dictatorship. Imagining that movie “Equilibrium” with a religious twist gives me the shivers, not in a good way either.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    So that explains why we’ve heard of so many televangelist sex scandals yet none among known athiests.

  • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

    Again
    and again, Bill Pig Face Donohue, President for the Catholic League for
    the Defense of Degenerate Pedophiles, Hebephiles and Ephebophiles and
    their Enabler Leaders, tears apart anyone standing up and telling the
    RCC to stay the hell out of their business and bedrooms and to leave the
    reproductive choices of women to THE WOMEN THEMSELVES, instead of
    moralistically bankrupt old scumbags whom should be in prison for
    covering up pedophilia, hebephilia and ephebophilia, or those
    moralistically bankrupt freaks who stand up and defend these rapists and
    enablers of rapists and child abuse. People like these should shut
    their outhouse pieholes and start removing the log from their eyes
    before they ATTEMPT to remove the mote from someone elses eyes. Oh and
    let’s get it straight Bill Pig Face:

    • HeilMary1

      Amen, brother!

  • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

    Yeah I heard that one before phillip how it is put out by the church that last year over 422,000 cases of teachers raping children in the school system in California. This has been put out by such luminaries of Pedophile Rape Coverups as Cardinals Donald Wuerl, Timothy Dolan and others as well as their loudmouth mouthpiece from an outhouse Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League for the Defense of Degenerates. Yet is this was so…then that would mean on an average school day there were 1,400 teachers raping kids…gee when did the teachers teach?

    Less than 12 complaints have been filed this century? What planet do YOU live on? Gee I guess the thousands of cases and the billions of dollars just paid out in the last decade..from the RCC to victims of their degenerate priests means this all occured in the last century right? What about the problems in Ireland? Or NSW? Or Australia? Or England? Or Italy? Or Germany? Or the South American countries?

    What about the Father Curtis Wehmeyer? He got drunk, smoked pot and looked at child pornography. He also lured to the camper he had parked outside the diocese building, two boys whose mother worked at the parish, plied them with alcohol, turned on pornography and told them to touch themselves.

    Soon after, police arrested Wehmeyer, who pleaded guilty to sexually abusing the boys, ages 12 and 14, and possessing child pornography. A judge sentenced the priest to five years in prison.

    This wasn’t the first time Wehmeyer had been in trouble. Top
    archdiocese leaders knew of Wehmeyer’s sexual compulsions for nearly a decade but kept him in ministry and failed to warn parishioners, according to canon lawyer Jennifer Haselberger, who resigned in April, and dozens of other interviews and documents.

    A memo written in 2011 obtained by MPR News from police shows the former vicar general – the top deputy of the archdiocese – did not want parish employees to know about Wehmeyer’s past.

    This is just ONE of many whom have been busted…but I guess April of 2011 is a century ago right?

    • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

      Another story of a Father Conner…just so last century ago:

      Father John P. Connor, an admitted child molester in his home diocese of Camden, New Jersey, served from 1988 until 1993 as assistant pastor of Saint Matthew parish in Conshohocken.

      He did so thanks to an understanding described by Cardinal Bevilacqua’s assistant from his tenure in Pittsburgh as a “tradition of bishops helping bishops.” That “tradition” led Cardinal Bevilacqua to help his friend, Bishop George H. Guilfoyle of Camden, by assigning Fr. Connor to a diocese where parishioners did not know that the priest had molested a 14-year-old student.

      Bishops Guilfoyle and Bevilacqua agreed to place Fr. Connor first in the diocese of Pittsburgh and later, after Bevilacqua’s transfer, in Philadelphia, each time with access to a fresh group of children unprotected by informed parents.

      When Archbishop Bevilacqua assigned Fr. Connor to duties at Saint Matthew Church, it was with the directive to “educate youth.”

      Cardinal Bevilacqua tried to justify his actions to the Grand Jury by claiming that he first learned that Fr. Connor’s 1984 arrest was for sexual abuse of a minor by reading about it in a newspaper in April 2002. The Grand Jury finds that this testimony was untruthful.

      In 1985, before he accepted the priest into the Diocese of Pittsburgh, then-Bishop Bevilacqua handwrote on a memo that Fr. Connor could present a “serious risk” if assigned there.

      In 1993, when Fr. Connor’s New Jersey victim threatened to sue the Camden diocese and expose Fr. Connor’s abuse, Cardinal Bevilacqua was fully aware of the potential scandal and acted quickly to have Fr. Connor transferred out of the Philadelphia Archdiocese and back to Camden.

      Cardinal Bevilacqua’s decision to place this dangerous New Jersey priest in a Philadelphia-area parish, coupled with his refusal to inform its pastor or parishioners of the priest’s predilections, certainly put the children at Saint Matthew at “serious risk.”

      Indeed, a year after Fr. Connor returned to Camden, a priest and a teacher from Saint Matthew warned Secretary for Clergy William J. Lynn that Fr. Connor was continuing a “relationship” he had developed with an 8th-grade boy at the Conshohocken parish.

      Monsignor Lynn acted promptly – notifying the Chancellor in Camden and the Archdiocese’s attorney, John O’Dea. He did not notify the boy’s mother who, in 1994, had no way of knowing the priest she trusted with her son was an admitted child molester.

      Father Connor is arrested in 1984 in New Jersey for molesting a minor.

      Ordained in 1962, Fr. John Connor was a 52-year-old theology teacher and golf coach at Bishop Eustace Preparatory School in Pennsauken, New Jersey, when he was arrested for molesting a 14-year-old student in October 1984. According to an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, Fr. Connor befriended the victim, “Michael,” when he was a freshman honors student at Bishop Eustace. The priest invited the boy to Cape May for a weekend to play golf and help repair the roof on Fr. Connor’s trailer. The boy’s mother agreed, she said, because “he was a priest.”

      The priest and student played a round of golf and then went to Fr. Connor’s trailer. There, the priest served beer to the 14-year-old and announced he was about to have a “religious experience.” Michael described the experience to prosecutors as mutual masturbation.

      When the priest attempted another sleepover the next weekend, Michael’s mother alerted police. With Michael’s assistance, they caught the priest in a sting operation and recorded an incriminating phone call with the boy. Father Connor was arrested in the principal’s office at Bishop Eustace.

      The priest did not, however, go to jail or even trial. Lawyers for the Diocese of Camden negotiated a pretrial intervention with the Cape May Prosecutors’ Office. The terms of the deal Connor cut were that he would admit molesting the boy in exchange for having the record of his arrest erased if he were not rearrested within one year.

      Michael’s mother later complained to a newspaper reporter that, while Fr. Connor’s life and career went on as if nothing happened, her son was so humiliated that he fled school, changed his name, and moved far away. In the April 21, 2002, Philadelphia Inquirer article, she referred to the year of his abuse as “the year my son died.”

      There is a whole lot more to this story…but it is way too long to post on here.

      • HeilMary1

        I’ll bet “Father” Connor gave Michael’s mother hell for any suspected birth control use! After all, such “selfishness” would deprive Connor of another victim!

        • Judgeforyourself37

          The RC Church is more interested in safety of zygotes and fetuses than the safety of young men and women. Great at dumping guilt on any woman who uses contraception or has an abortion, but once that zygote or fetus is born, then they could not care less.

          • CSN

            That is pure B.S. Catholic Charities is the largest provider of Adoption Services in the USA. Go hide under a rock or something. You have no statistic on your side. The True Roman Catholic Church does not believe in the destruction of a developing Fetus, or a deformed Fetus, nor in the destruction of people with Alzheimer’s or Birth Defects. Your mentality is Hitler’s….Hitler destroyed the deformed, experimented on live fetuses, and believed in genocide. Congratulations, you fall right under his spell, and should take his name for your own..

  • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

    Gee this is just so last century ago eh?

    September 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM, updated September 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    A Catholic priest whose ministry included counseling troubled youths is facing charges in northeastern Pennsylvania after police say he admitted to sex acts with a 15-year-old boy.

    The Rev. William Paulish was in Lackawanna County prison,unable to post $50,000 bail Friday. The charges include corruption of a minor, indecent exposure, unlawful contact with a minor, indecent assault and involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with a person under 16. Court records did not list a lawyer for Paulish.

    The Times-Tribune of Scranton reported that Paulish, 56, has been reassigned 15 times by the Diocese of Scranton after being ordained in 1988 and has had three separate leaves of absence.

    The diocese did not respond to the newspaper’s requests to explain the reassignments and absences. In a press release, the diocese said it removed Paulish from his assignment as assistant pastor at Prince of Peace Parish in Old Forge and suspended his ability to work as a priest.

    Paulish and the boy were caught by Dunmore police after Penn State Worthington Scranton security guards reported the priest’s car as suspicious when they saw it Thursday night parked near the tennis courts.

    The boy did not have pants on when police arrived and both later admitted to performing sex acts, police said. Paulish told investigators that he arranged the meeting through an ad he posted on Craigslist, police said.

  • Deker71

    Breast CA/ Abortion-Contraception Studies
    cancergov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/oral-contraceptives

    Good site for an analysis of the current research on cancer and abortion
    abortionbreastcancercom/start/

    • fiona64

      The risk WRT oral contraceptives goes away (per your own link)

      And the anti-choice site that also link? Is just laughable … and has already been disproven with what I provided. Just to make the issue simple for you: correlation does not equal causation.

      Anti-choice men just amuse me at this point. You all sit there and wave your hands, demanding that women take risks that you’ll never have to … and then pretend it’s all out of concern.

      Why don’t you just come out and say what we already know: the anti-choice position is about punishing women.

      • Deker71

        You didn’t read the articles. Even U.S. National Cancer Institute researcher Dr. Louise Brinton, one of the co-authors and who was the chief organizer of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) workshop in 2003 that persuaded women that it was “well established” that “abortion is not associated with increased breast cancer risk,” has reversed her position and now admits that abortion and oral contraceptives raise breast cancer risks.

        • goatini

          But you would be wrong. As published by RH Reality Check in **2010**:

          It is true that in 2003 the NCI convened a workshop with over 100 of the world’s leading experts “who study pregnancy and breast cancer” and Dr. Brinton was one of those experts. It is also correct that, according to NCI, “They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer.” But what is not true is that Dr. Louise Brinton has “changed” her position on the link between abortion and breast cancer, at least publicly, because there is no new information on this link. Again, the study results released last year, on which Dr. Brinton was a researcher, do not include any new information on the overall risk of breast cancer among women who have had abortions. While the National Cancer Institute (NCI) is releasing a “no comment” statement in response to the barrage of poorly reported stories on anti-choice news sites, Dr. Brinton’s co-researcher and co-author, Kathi Malone, is clear about what this and all peer-reviewed studies show thus far on the link between abortion and breast cancer:

          “The weight of scientific evidence to date strongly indicates that abortion doesn’t increase the risk of breast cancer.”

          http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2010/01/14/the-truth-about-breast-cancer-and-abortion/

        • fiona64

          I didn’t have to, dumbass … because I know they’re wrong. And I already documented *why* I know that.

          So, where’s your citation that use of contraception causes STDs? Still waiting … because I could use a laugh today.

        • HeilMary1

          The extremely high hormones of PREGNANCY ITSELF raise cancer risks for many women. The longer the pregnancy, the GREATER THE RISKS. Hormone pills use much lower hormone levels, hence their BENEFITS.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          news flash for you: the tooth fairy isn’t real & neither is Santa claws, both of which are more credible than the steaming pile you just dropped.

    • HeilMary1

      Pregnancies, especially with female fetuses, are the biggest cause of cancers in women.

  • colleen2

    Don’t tell him. Steve’s a Republican. He would be so threatened by a command line that he would take his tiny gun and stand his ground.

  • neil allen

    All that proves, Mr Howel, is that you can get away with child rape because the child can never prove it happened, especially if everyone lies about it or hides the truth. That is what the Catholic church of organized child rape taught the world (in the name of their god).

    You’re Catholic, so you have to lie to defend the cult. We get it. Over the last 50 years, priest have raped children at a percentage that is 10-100 times that of any other group, which makes sense when you consider that they all decided never to have sex with a woman when they were 18 years old, meaning they are either closet gays or pedophiles.

  • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

    The thing is with the Unholy Roman Catholic Church, they never really gave a damn about children. Sure they scream out against abortion, against a woman’s right to choose. They say they want to stop the pedophile rapes by their priests. They say that children are special and how we should love them in their way….but to me there are other reasons for that. The True History of the Unholy Church bears this out.

    Starting with the Crusades, going into the Inquisitions and then the Genocides of the Native Americans, along with helping out the Nazi’s during WWII….the RCC has proven through their actions how much they truly do love children. Here are just a FEW examples from the History of the Unholy Church:

    The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry “Deus Vult” (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land. Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon “the infidel among us,” Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were children, were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, it did not matter infants, children, women, mothers, old and young alike, they slaughtered on their way to “purifying” the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: “In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses’ bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God.”

    In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives — many of them women and children –taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: “The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified.”

    In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: “Kill them all. God will know his own.” Nearly 20,000, with over 3,500 of them children, were slaughtered — many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.

    In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil-then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. Children were put to death with their parents as they were deemed spawns of satan or the devil. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 “witches” were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.

    Then you have documented cases of the Roman Catholic Church taking Native American children from their parents and putting them into “good” RC education centers. It has been proven beyond a shadown of a doubt, not only were these Native American children raped, beaten, tortured, brainwashed, starved, and had many other physical, mental, emotional and spiritual horrors perpetrated upon them by the priests and nuns of the Unholy Church, these children, under the guidance and knowledge of not only the priests and nuns, but the leaders themselves, were used for experiments. They were given all kinds of deadly biologicals to see how they react on the human body because to those doing the experiments upon them and the church, considered these children savages, less than human and the horrors these children went through….

    Of course you have tens of thousands of children, in the United States, Ireland, Scotland, New South Wales, Australia, Italy, Germany, France, Switzerland, Central America and who knows how many other countries, whom have been raped by the priests of this pedophile sect. The Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops whom covered these crimes up, moving around pedophile priests from parish to parish, city to city, state to state and country to country, to avoid detection and prosecution…the number of these Pedophile Leader Enablers is too many to count and fully more than 80% of these leaders had some hand in these crimes. There is more than ample evidence, from the RCC’s own files that have been released in Los Angeles, Miluwalkee, Boston, Australia, New South Wales, Ireland, Germany, etc., from Grand Jury testimony, from victims accounts, from some brave priests and nuns and some leaders whom actually found these crimes disgusting and tried to stand up against them…but then were ostrasized for telling the secrets and defrocked…funny how the RCC defrocks the whistleblowers faster than they do the priests raping the children eh?

    Add to this the tens of thousands of young girls and boys whom went through the evils of the Magdalene and Good Shepherd Laundries. Used as slaves, beaten, denigrated, savaged. How did these crimes come to light? The nuns who ran a laundry were trying to sell some land. The prospective buyers were doing some digging for perc testing and came upon a mass grave of dead children. No one knew about these deaths. Many of the survivors of these laundries alive today tell stories of having seen nuns murder children by smothering them with pillows. Some did not die but lingered in comas for a year or so then died. Some lived brain damaged.

    I know one surivvor whom told me her story…where she as an asthmatic, was forced by the nuns to lay in a hallway, beaten half to death, for three days. While the other girls walked by if one of them even looked at her, the nuns would savagely beat the girl then beat her again. They screamed that Bonnie was only looking for attention and was not as asthmatic. She almost died several times. Yet according to the Church and people like Bill Donohue…all of us survivors of these horrors are nothing more than liars, gold diggers, we all should shut our mouths and go away…and of course the leaders and the perverted priests and psycho nuns should all be left alone cause they are all falsely accused and we are only trying to destroy the Unholy Church….by speaking out.

    NOW MY FAVORITE…HOW MANY INNOCENT CHILDREN DIED DURING THIS? TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ACTUALLY STARTED THIS MONSTROUS EVIL.

    The Thirty Years’ War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden’s Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther’s “Ein ‘Feste Burg” in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany’s population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct education.

    But of course the Unholy Roman Catholic Church proclaims how much they love children, are the defenders and protectors of children. Another example of the hypocrisy of this evil group of freaks….and all who stand up and defend them.

    • HeilMary1

      Excellent summary! And you’ve barely scratched the surface!

    • HeilMary1

      Raw Story has just reported that HIV-positive Irreverend James McGonegal was arrested for cruising for sex in a park with poppers!

      • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

        Never ending perversions from these twisted scum.

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      This shouldn’t be ignored. But yet its so depressing I’m humiliated to even be human.

      • http://www.windwalkerphotography.biz/ Frank LaFerriere

        No it should not be ignored…but the RCC claims they are so innocent and the moral leaders of us all right?

        I used to clean out outhouses on the Appalachian Trail. Let me tell ya…those outhouses smelled better than what comes out of the pieholes of the Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Archbishops, Priests, Nuns and Pew Polishers of the Unholy Roman Catholic Church of Psychotic Degenerates and Murderers.

  • HeilMary1

    Yes, I know.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Link to source please. There have been more than 100 claims in the Philadelphia diocese alone, i believe. Many could not be prosectued because of statutes of limitations. We are working on that.

  • Arekushieru

    Sorry, but victim-blaming doesn’t cut it. It’s not the responsibility of the VICTIMS to rectify a situation caused by the PERPETRATORS. Besides, if that WORKED, THIS obscenity: But moths are still everywhere; it is a compulsion for them; WOULD NOT HAPPEN. So, you expect victims to take ‘responsibility’ without a guarantee of any chance of success? WOW, you are one sick, coldhearted bastard.

    How many Bishops, Cardinals, Priests, etc… do we currently see in jail for sexual assault on minors, compared to public school officials, that is…? Seems a LOT more of the latter than the former, arsehole.

    Finally, double standards much? Your ilk likes to claim that what is legal is not necessarily right, even if it is without the solid evidence that the OTHER SIDE has provided, except for when it comes to something YOU agree with, then, to your ilk, it is right if it is legal, even if it is AGAINST all solid evidence that the other side has provided. After all: If the fact that a Church is legally exempted from paying taxes makes it necessarily right, you should be able to tell us why that is so. and, if birth control is not necessarily right just because it is legal, you should also be able to explain why this is so; then, finally, you should be able to reconcile the two positions and also tell us why your viewpoint, and ONLY your viewpoint, meaning what you agree and don’t agree with, determines what is ‘necessarily’ and ‘not necessarily’ right. DERP.

    WE, however, are not promoting this as our position: that whatever we agree with is necessarily right; whatever we don’t is not. After all, WE say that birth control should be legal SIMPLY because it is discriminatory against one segment (women) of the population to NOT offer it. WE say that birth control should be legal SIMPLY because it is NOT discriminatory to prevent a body (Church) that is CHOSEN, in the MAIN, to impose its religious beliefs on a body (female body) that is in the MAIN, NOT chosen. After all, WE say that the Church should not retain its tax-exempt status SIMPLY because it IS attempting to impose its beliefs as a government entity. And, yet, even though YOU agree that it should, you cannot see how this should revoke its tax-exempt status, as an EQUAL measure? And you wonder why we call your people BIGOTS????

  • Jennifer Starr

    Wow, just in this century? So that’s what–almost thirteen whole years of compliance with the law. I don’t know about you, Phil, but if I had only some twelve plus years to boast about out of all the time my church has been around, I wouldn’t be too proud about it.

  • Jennifer Starr

    And this is just a thought, Phil, but did you ever think that maybe if your church had been complying with the law earlier, you wouldn’t find yourself in the sad position of having to make excuses for the inexcusable? Just saying…

  • Robbe Sebesta

    And I wonder why some priests are so non-pious. As a Catholic, this is so sad, and just gives people who dislike the faith more ammo. I just keep my eyes on Jesus, Mary, and the Saints….

  • dogjudge

    Interesting. The Nuns on the Bus are fighting for the exact opposite. They want the government to open because of the harm that they feel is being done to the poor.

    Any doubt in anyone’s mind which side the new Pope would side with?

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I can see a “Church” not wishing to pay for the portion of insurance that included birth control. but a “church affiliated organization,” such as a hospital or university, takes Government money, therefore is not solely financed by the “Church,” and therefore must comply with Government regulations. If the employees of those institutions do not wish to use birth control, that is their choice, but you cannot foist that choice on other employees who may or may not be Roman Catholic.
    BTW, I know very few Roman Catholics who abstain from the use of birth control. How many families of eight or nine children does one see today?

    • fiona64

      I can see a “Church” not wishing to pay for the portion of insurance
      that included birth control. but a “church affiliated organization,”
      such as a hospital or university, takes Government money, therefore is
      not solely financed by the “Church,” and therefore must comply with
      Government regulations.

      i’ve lost track of how many times I’ve said this very thing. Hey, USCCB? If you want to not follow Federal law, how about if Catholic Healthcare West and similar organizations just stop accepting Medicare patients and payments? That’ll solve your problem right there.

      Until you’re willing to do that, shut up and obey the law.

      • BJ Survivor

        I work for Catholic Healthcare West (now Dignity Health and no longer Catholic-affiliated *yay!*) and they have been providing contraception via the insurance benefits for decades now. The bishops, of course, initially threw a hissy fit, but at the time the contraception parity law was passed, even Republicans were on board with contraception as a preventative medication.

        Catholic-affiliated organizations who hire non-Catholics and receive taxpayer subsidies have been having to provide contraception for their female employees for quite some time now, in several states. This is nothing new. What’s new is the Republican batshittery that now claims that contraception = abortion and allowing women to access their earned benefits that include contraception is somehow infringing on the religious freedom of the organization…What a load of horseshit.

        • fiona64

          Thanks for the update. :-)

  • fiona64

    Kindly share links to these studies you allege to exist, since those allegations fly in the face of Every. Single. Piece. of Valid. Evidence.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    This is a product of howels bowels not reality.

  • jejune

    Just popping in to say you’re a dumbass.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    If you were anyones mental health worker we should all be very very afraid.

  • CSN

    This woman doesn’t get it, but why should she, she’s the offspring of a Feminist Margaret Sanger mentality. The Catholic Church should never allow government to shove down their throats, or anyone else for that matter, the abortion/contraception mandate. Freedom to worship according to the dictates of ones conscience is a clause in the Bill of Rights, and shouldn’t be over stepped because someone or a small group of people, decide to end it for a Abortion Contraception Cartel Mandated Government Intrusive Order. The Catholic Church has provided Free Health Care for as many years as this country was a country, and longer, without a Government Mandate. Funny how these women deem Birth Control and Abortion as Health Care, because both are very destructive to a woman’s physiological and psychological well being. Hitler would love the ACA Mandated Abortion and Birth Control, as that is exactly what he did. ACA = Hitler in a Can. Don’t care if this offends women who can’t keep their pants zipped, or learn alternatives to Birth Control by being self-controlled.

    • goatini

      The great humanitarian Margaret Sanger was far more ethical and principled than you could ever be.

      And the vast majority of Catholic women regularly use highly effective medically prescribed contraception.

      Women are NOT livestock, though SOME in the Church (like yourself) still refuse to acknowledge that FACT.

      PS, I’m Catholic with 60 years into it, and know more about the Faith than you ever will, so stifle your accusations of “Catholic-bashing”. I know quite well wherefrom I speak on this topic.

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      healthcare for every1 is an offense to no religious belief, except to those of a fascist bent.

    • Jennifer Starr

      Unless someone is forcing you to personally ingest birth control against your will, I don’t see how someone else using their own health insurance benefit that they have worked for to get contraception even involves your so-called ‘conscience’. So, lead your own life, follow your own church and its dictates, and leave the rest of us who don’t wish to be governed by celibate men wearing dresses out of it. Savvy?

    • Ella Warnock

      **Yawn**

      This old chestnut again?

      Do whatever you think is right, dear. And I’ll do the same, thankyouverymuch.

      We’re done here.

    • osiote

      Hitler was anti-choice you moronic fucktard.

      He banned contraception and abortion.

  • CSN

    I’m afraid what you consider the Catholic Church is no longer Catholic, which is why the people on this page are so disillusioned. What the Church taught before the Second Vatican Council was the correct teaching of the Catholic Church. If a priest violated celibacy he was excused from serving as a priest and let out of the priesthood. Now they just keep covering up, which is very true. I am a sedevacantist and for good reasons. The Abortion Mandate would never have come into being, if the Catholic Church would have put their foot down in 1973 after Roe vs. Wade was enacted by the “Supreme” Court which thought they were God. If the Masons had not invaded the Catholic Church in 1962, the 1973 Rose Vs. Wade would never have happened. That was the result of the Sacraments taken away, and priesthood defiled by imposters, etc.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    Bowels you have no claim on fact here or anywhere

  • Halfassedmonkeyboy

    Teacher’s do not have the cover-up network the clergy have. Anyone who works with children is duty bound to report anything suspicious. Not so the clergy, Forgive me father, for I have sinned is about as far the church have to go. Stands to reason more teachers who are that way inclined are going to get caught.