Boxer: GOP Uses Shutdown to Reinvigorate ‘War on Women’


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As the Senate prepared to take up the latest version of H.J. 59, the continuing resolution (CR) passed by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives in the wee hours of Sunday morning, women senators called a press conference to decry a measure in the bill that would delay, by more than a year, implementation of coverage for preventive care for women, including but not limited to no-copay coverage for contraception.

Unless the CR—a measure needed to keep government running in absence of a budget—is passed by both chambers of Congress on Monday, the government will be forced to shut down operation on Tuesday, October 1. (Operations and personnel deemed “essential,” such as certain defense and emergency response entities, will still be working.) The measure is yet another attempt by the Republican majority in the House to tie the funding of the government to a poison pill that would damage or stop the full implementation Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

“[T]he latest Republican shutdown plan continues their war on women,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), who called the House bill “a budget buster” for its repeal of a medical device tax that would account for an estimated $39 billion on revenues, and a danger to the economy, since government workers will receive no pay during the shutdown, and small businesses that depend on the functioning of government institutions and parks will see reduced income.

“But now they’ve added a new target, the Republicans have, a group they frequently punish—a group called women,” Boxer said. “Follow this: They keep all other benefits of Obamacare that have gone into effect already … but they do single out only one existing benefit to stop, and that benefit is known as the Women’s Health Amendment.”

Boxer was joined at the podium by Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI) and Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), who sits on the Senate Finance Committee’s health-care subcommittee.

The delay in the implementation of that amendment was prompted by a letter sent to House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) late last week by Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), and signed by 72 members of Congress, which urged the speaker to include in the CR language from a bill being pushed by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops that would allow a so-called “conscience” exemption for employers from the ACA’s coverage mandate for prescription contraception in plans they offer to employees.

By using the Women’s Health Amendment as the mechanism for delaying the contraception provision, the House bill would also withhold mandated coverage for human papillomavirus (HPV) screenings, domestic violence counseling, breast-feeding counseling and supplies, and narrow the coverage offered for breast and cervical cancer screenings, as well as screening for domestic violence.

With its poison-pill provision on Obamacare, the House CR has no chance at passage in the Senate, ensuring a government shutdown.

Although most government employees will be placed on furlough once the shutdown goes into effect, members of Congress will continue to receive paychecks. Boxer is sponsoring a bill, S. 55, that would put senators and representatives on the same footing as other government employees, making them forfeit their paychecks for the duration of the shutdown.

That likely has about as much chance of passing the House as the anti-contraception CR has of passing the Senate.

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  • iizthatiiz

    I am weary of the Democratic war on women. It is the Democrats who promote the destruction of traditional families. It is the Democrats that are trying to push more and more women into single parent households, relegating many to a life of federal subsidies, throwing them into Federal housing, living off food stamps, a life of subjugation, relying on Federal handouts.

    • cjvg

      The “conscience clause,” which would also allow employers to opt out of covering screenings for cervical cancer, pregnancy-related diabetes and sexually transmitted infections, was added into the House spending bill on Saturday. The provision is similar to Sen. Roy Blunt’s (R-Mo.) controversial proposal in 2011, which the Senate rejected.
      huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/republicans-birth-control-amendment_n_4017597.html

      Really, you explain to me how it supports the “traditional” family if mom dies from pregnancy induced diabetes or cervical cancer because it was found to late?!

      • HeilMary1

        And adulterous Roy Blunt traded his votes for sex with abortion-inducing tobacco lobbyist Abigail Perlman. If second hand smoke miscarriages and Viagra adultery sprees with lobbyists are OK for the “family values” GOP, then maternal life-saving contraception is a million times more moral.

      • iizthatiiz

        If only we could get government out of our bedrooms. Remove goverment influence on how we control our bodies. Next thing you know doctors will be be forced to report patient priviledge to the Federal government.

        Oopsie daisy … Obamacare does all that. This president has invaded the personal lives of Americans in ways George Orwell could never have even imagined.

        • L-dan

          ROFL…you mean get the government out of our bedrooms by oh…not trying to criminalize what consenting adults do with each other? Keep them from influencing what we do with our bodies like…oh getting abortions without government dictating that our doctors shame us, or lie to us, or use unnecessary diagnostics? I’ve been writing to idiotic Republican (and occasional Democratic) congresscritters to quit with that nonsense for years.

          Obamacare does nothing of the sort. It allows one to have health insurance…something that millions of people consider rather essential. How invasive is that? Should I ditch my current employer-provided insurance…provided by some of the exact same insurance companies…to avoid the intrusion?

          • iizthatiiz

            Ask your doctor what info he must now provide to the government under Obamacare. Maybe your “no longer personal” physican can open your eyes to the new reality

          • Jennifer Starr

            People who want the government to dictate to a woman what she can and cannot do with her pregnancy have no place to talk about ‘wanting the Government out of healthcare’. And yes, abortion is healthcare.

          • iizthatiiz

            A lot of people think its murder. The ones who disagree are generally a selfish lot who would choose to murder a baby just to advance their own self-interest. Most who choose abortion in later years come to deeply regret it, and spend the rest of their lives wracked with a guilt that never goes away.

          • L-dan

            Data please? Every study I’ve seen shows that the vast majority do not find themselves wracked with guilt.

            The vast majority of abortions take place well before most would consider it murder–within the time frame when many wanted pregnancies aren’t even announced due to the prevalence of miscarriage in the first trimester. Sorry…if you consider a blastocyst to be equivalent to a toddler, you’re the one with a twisted moral compass.

          • Arekushieru

            Someone needs to learn fucking terminology. Besides, even in countries where it IS illegal, it’s not considered murder, you ignorant ASS. Even in the US, the MAJORITY of the most vocal Pro-Lifers do NOT want to have women who have abortions to be charged with murder. Therefore, they do NOT consider it murder. Oops.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Wrong on both counts. Most people don’t think it’s ‘murdering a baby’, and most people are not ‘wracked with guilt.

          • fiona64

            You clearly don’t know jack shit, and are just another GOTeabircher troll.

            Go color while the adults talk.

          • HeilMary1

            ALL abortions are SELF-DEFENSE. No woman deserves the grisly shredding of her lady parts, stinky divorce-causing obstetric bladder and bowel incontinence, multiple organ failures, sepsis limb amputations, face- and breast-eating cancers caused by female fetuses, autoimmune diseases caused by fetal microchimerism, and $5,000,000 flesh-eating bacteria c-section infections. You mother-killing selfish pedophile adulterers never apologize when you criminally inflict such deadly pregnancy injuries on us “over-the-hill sluts”.

          • RachelK

            Please provide a credible, peer-reviewed study that shows that most women come to regret their abortions. Hint – one doctor on an anti-choice blog doesn’t count as “peer-review”. Spoiler alert: You won’t be able to provide one, because it doesn’t exist.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            If I was one of your parents I’d deeply regret you. A lot of people thing your a flaming moron too, difference is they’re right.

          • L-dan

            You mean, data similar to what they already collect at my insurance company just to process the bills? Data similar to what is already collected by the government for those using Medicare/Medicaid? Data that is still protected by HIPAA?

            Yeah, not terribly worried about that. I’ve worked on projects involving research use of large scale government data and seen the amount of work it is to keep it secure, stripped of identifying information, etc. That doesn’t worry me. I’m more worried about someone accessing my Amazon order history than accessing my records via the ACA…and yet, I still order from them, because I find the risks pretty minimal.

          • L-dan

            *looks up scary messages on ‘Obamacare’ freak out sites*

            Oh dear, they’re going to ask about my sex life…kind of like my doctor already does at every visit, just as she asks how much I drink, whether I smoke, etc. This is standard training for doctors in order to have some idea of how they should be caring for someone/what their history is. It’s only an issue if I have a severely unprofessional doctor who’s going to make an issue about their patients having sex the doctor doesn’t approve of. I avoid those.

          • iizthatiiz

            it’s not your Dr. asks you about .. it is what your Dr. must now report about you to the Feds. If that doesn’t bother you, then you surely don’t mind the NSA listening in on your phone calls either

          • Jennifer Starr

            If the NSA listens in on my phone calls, I’m fairly sure they must be bored to tears at this point.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Lets call foward all telemarketers to the NSA. 2 problems solved right there.

          • L-dan

            See below. I frankly trust them to keep the data safer than my insurance company, and I’ve trusted them with it thus far.

          • iizthatiiz

            I’m more concerned with what the Feds will use all of our health data for. Over time (especially generationally) the Feds will have a very good insight into all of our individual genetic strengths and weaknesses. You really want a government knowing that much about you?

          • L-dan

            Um, what sort of health care do *you* have? Genetic analysis is rather rare, first of all. Prenatal analysis usually looks for a handful of specific abnormalities. Otherwise it’s usually done only when there’s a problem that points to such testing being useful. Insurance companies don’t like spending money unnecessarily.

            When such tests become cheap enough to be a routine part of preventative medicine (you have markers for x, y, and z…here are things you can do to prevent or delay those), maybe it would be something to worry about.

            Secondly, that data tends to be stripped of identification and used in aggregate for things like determining whether treatment a or treatment b seems to do a better job of treating a particular condition, and whether it differs by things like age group, gender, race, etc. If they want aggregate information on our genetics, that’s already out there thanks to the human genome project, and all sorts of other research projects. The government doesn’t care that Citizen X got a prescription for heart medication.

            Seriously? The advertising we run across all over the internet is more invasive of my privacy, and the companies holding that data probably know more frightening things about me than anything my doctor can send along…with far less oversight.

          • iizthatiiz

            I currently have what would probably be classified as a “cadillac” plan. I will not be able to afford to keep this type of coverage come January 1st as my premiums are going to more than double. So my health care is going to be dramatically worse come the new year.

            I wasn’t referring to DNA analysis. More of a database developed over time as maladies afflict you, or don’t afflict you. They will be able to correlate this type of data with family members and relatives over time. I find it more than disturbing that in the near future, our gov’t will be able to project statistical models for your children, and your grandchildren. Perhaps they might begin to offer incentives on who should, and who shouldn’t procreate. There is all kinds of intrusive things that can be done with that kind of database. The possibilities of gov’t eugenic programs kinda worry me. No one can predict what our gov’t could morph into over the next 50-100 years. I think we’re safer as a society without a permanently entreched power having access to that kind of info.

          • L-dan

            Tinfoil hat much?

            No, they cannot make those sorts of predictions without knowing if your malady resulted from genetic predisposition or environmental issues. By the time they can? Your doctor is going to be doing that for you because it would be irresponsible not to if they have that data available.
            And again…this data is already in the hands of insurance companies and will continue to be. If they can find a dime of profit in it, they’d already be using it in such a fashion…except that the strictures of HIPAA don’t allow them to.

            So, really? All this nebulous conspiracy theory mumbling means it’s worth throwing out a program that allows more people to have health insurance, disallows insurers from charging women more just for being women, disallows insurers from dumping those with pre-existing conditions, and allows kids to remain on their parent’s coverage for a bit longer while they’re getting started? Sorry, anyone who looks at those and thinks the scale is tilted in favor of getting rid of the ACA needs some lessons in risk assessment.

          • Arekushieru

            Besides, the flip side of telling someone they should NOT procreate, is telling someone they SHOULD procreate. And that’s what YOUR side supports, NOT ours. YOUR side also tends to support organizations like NSA collecting data, which, like L-Dan said, tend to have LESS oversight than medical insurance plans. Again, sorry.

          • iizthatiiz

            Same comment as made by someone else above. Do you folks travel in mind-meld packs? Never the less, here is my same response.

            First of all, pregnancy is a choice. Women don’t spontaneously become pregnant. Not even China is forcing woman to become pregnant. I am fully in favor of woman choosing to control their own bodies. They can exercise that control by choosing not to become pregnant.

            Once however someone does become pregnant, it would be very hypocritical to allow them to control someone elses body, such as the child living inside them. That child has a fundamental right as well.

          • Arekushieru

            Hmm, no, we don’t. We just give the same response to ANY anti-choicer who gives US the same, tired, old talking points. Because it tends to BECOME rote and memorized after hearing those talking points, over and over and over… and over.

          • HeilMary1

            So, mother killer, you believe burglars and rapists have the right to kill FEMALE homeowners because those women are already on fatal fetuses’ hit lists?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            so you’re delusions are not spontaneous. You CHOSE fascism. Surprised? NOT

          • cjvg

            You know why the answers continue to be the same?
            Because we are speaking facts, you can not word the facts in very many different ways exactly because they are FACTS

            I know difficult concept that for some people reality and truth actually prevails over just slinging some words on paper regardless of reality and the facts!

            I can only explain to you that night follows day in very view ways without it starting to sound the same, that is the trouble with reality and facts.
            Unlike you we are obviously somewhat constraint by the facts in that way!

          • colleen

            I wasn’t aware that people with your obvious mental health issues were able to afford expensive healthcare coverage.

          • HeilMary1

            And ACA will help nutters with un-insurable pre-existing psycho conditions find affordable plans, especially with subsidies. This troll is probably a sex offender who fears his illegal sexcapades will be exposed somehow through STD treatment reporting.

          • formerbuckeye

            If you are that worried about a government-sponsored eugenics program, then you should be fully in favor of the government having no say about what medical treatments women are or are not allowed to seek. After all, a government that can force women to bear children and forgo contraception (which they are trying very hard to do now) can just as easily change the laws to require all women to use contraception and undergo abortion if they have a non-approved pregnancy.

          • iizthatiiz

            First of all, pregnancy is a choice. Women don’t spontaneously become pregnant. Not even China is forcing woman to become pregnant. I am fully in favor of woman choosing to control their own bodies. They can exercise that control by choosing not to become pregnant.

            Once however someone does become pregnant, it would be very hypocritical to allow them to control someone elses body, such as the child living inside them. That child has a fundamental right as well.

          • L-dan

            Um, no. Pregnancy is not always a choice. In fact, when using birth control, I’d say that someone is actively choosing to avoid pregnancy. Should they have to allow the unwilling use of their body for life support due to failure? How about rape? That’s a choice?

            If every single instance of sex resulted in pregnancy, I suppose equating sex to choosing pregnancy would make sense. It doesn’t and it doesn’t.

          • iizthatiiz

            Having sex is a choice. Pregnancy is always a possible consequence of that choice, as you are well aware. Choosing to be sexually active means that you take on the responsibilities of any possible pregnancy that may result. If that child is unwanted, then adoption is a very viable option. Same applies in the extremely rare instances of pregnancy due to rape. Adoption is the option. The child should not have it’s life terminated because of sloppy sex, or even in cases of rape. That child has a right to life .. period.

          • HeilMary1

            So all fetuses ALWAYS have the right to rot off their captive hosts’ limbs, faces, and breasts; and to lacerate their captive hosts’ lady parts, bowels and bladders?! You seem just the looksist type that would cheat on, divorce and even shoot any brood mare wearing Depends diapers for obstetric bladder and bowel incontinence. You remind me of the wife-killer who dumped my best friend when their cancer-causing daughter made her nose and lips rot off before killing her. He beat her when she was 5 months pregnant for “looking fat” even though he bullied her into the pregnancy. Then he got custody, even though he admitted MOLESTING their daughter, because she lost the nose on her face giving birth to her own OTHER WOMAN! You pompous mother killers should be jailed and Bobbitted whenever your forced pregnancies maim and murder mothers. Fair is fair.

          • Arekushieru

            NO one has the right to life that you would grant to a FETUS. Please, for once, get that through your THICK SKULLS, antis. Adoption is an option for an unwanted ACTUAL child, not for an unwanted PREGNANCY. See, by the time one can relinquish an ACTUAL child, the woman is no longer PREGNANT. Funny that, however. Since it is YOUR ilk that claims that abortion doesn’t make you ‘unpregnant’, it simply makes you the ‘mother’ of a dead ‘baby’, yet you DON’T say that adoption doesn’t make you unpregnant, it just makes you the mother of an ABANDONED child. Hypocrites.

          • cjvg

            Great response.
            If you don’t mind i might have to borrow that sometime.
            Unfortunately these anti-choicers always use the some worn out arguments over and over and it gets so boring.

          • Arekushieru

            No problem! Go right ahead! :)

          • cjvg

            Thanks
            I love the logic, sometimes the steam coming out of my ears makes it easier to use a lovely logical and absolutely devastating repost like yours!
            (Besides I tend to be long winded)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Another rape apologist–I shouldn’t even be surprised any more.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            That fanatic could be an actual rapist. Certainly possible.

          • fiona64

            Adoption is not an alternative to pregnancy; it is an alternative to childrearing.

            As a survivor of sexual assault, I really must thank you for insisting that women not have a right to avoid giving birth due to a crime committed against them. No, really. It proves how “pro-life” you really are … because, in 31 states, rapists have the right to sue for visitation … giving them access to their victims for 18 years. And, since the consent of both parties is required to place a child for adoption, well, what if the rapist doesn’t want to do that?

            So, yeah. You’re “pro-life” all right … unless it’s the life of a born, sapient, sentient woman we’re talking about. To hell with her; she’s just a friggin’ incubator.

            Feh.

          • colleen2

            No, having sex is not always a choice either. I understand this is particularly true for the wife in a Traditional Marriage.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            So then when will YOU take responsibility for YOUR FASCISM?

            no I didn’ think so.

          • cjvg

            Why?
            Is the woman or girl in question not a life also?
            Why should she not have a right to consider her body to be inviolate and not for another to be used at will?

          • HeilMary1

            Abortions = 2nd Amendment rights for WOMEN.

          • jejune

            Yes, you are rape apologist.

          • Arekushieru

            Oh, really, so all those women who become pregnant even after using contraception don’t exist? All those women seeking infertility treatments don’t exist? See, if pregnancy WAS a choice, woman could choose whether or not their bodies even DEVELOP a damn uterus. See, if pregnancy WAS a choice, woman could choose *directly*, EVERY FUCKING TIME, when and if they become pregnant. They can’t. What YOU are essentially and ACTUALLY saying is that, because men and women have sex organs. once sex starts, their CHOICE about whether to defend themselves is over and done with. Choice NEVER ends. Once you remove CHOICE, you have… wait for it… wait for it… FORCE. Thanks for playing… except not.

            So, is it hypocritical to allow someone to ‘control’ the body of someone who is raping you? No? Then YOU are the hypocrite. DERP.

            You missed Buckeye’s entire point, of course. Typical. China IS forcing people to abort. However, it is a Pro-LIFE country. And these current anti-choice, pro-abortion policies are a RESULT of that. And that is the flip side of what YOU support. Please, for once, discuss the ACTUAL TOPIC???

          • iizthatiiz

            Having sexual relations is a choice. Sometimes there are consequences. Pregnancy obviously is one of them. So yes, I am saying that engaging in sexual relations means assuming all the responsibilites should a pregnancy occur. What is so wrong about being responsible for ones actions? Abstinence is also a choice. No one ever got pregnant through abstinence (well, there was this one women who made that claim a few millennia ago).

          • L-dan

            Having an abortion is responsible. Dropping a baby in a dumpster is irresponsible.

            Just because pregnancy is a possible outcome of sex does not mean that one has chosen it. Accidents are a possible outcome of driving my car down the road…that doesn’t mean I chose an accident and must be ‘responsible’ by seeing what shape my broken arm heals into. Nor does it mean that I am required to donate blood or organs should someone else be injured in the accident; I still maintain my right to continue choosing what happens to my body.

            No, sex does not mean one must volunteer their body for nine months. You realize that most jobs offer no paid maternity leave and many will not hold a position while someone takes weeks off to recover or months to deal with a rough pregnancy? And that’s just *one* small facet you’re glossing right over with the “just give it up for adoption” nonsense.

            I see you conveniently just gloss over rape. If it’s all about sex equaling ‘choosing pregnancy’ there should be no opposition to abortion in cases of rape…and yet there is.

          • colleen2

            Republicans don’t believe that most rapes are actually rape. Republican women are very protective of their rapist sons.

          • HeilMary1

            So young wives shouldn’t have sex with their husbands for the next 30+ years if they can’t afford 10-30 kids, multi-million dollar birth defects, $5,000,000 flesh eating bacteria c-sections, maternal organ transplants, maternal deaths, bankruptcies, foreclosures, or the pedophile priest sex trafficking of their orphans? My ex-coworker at USAToday lost both his sister and HER HUSBAND to a killer pregnancy: the female fetus triggered lethal breast cancer in her mom and a lethal heart attack in her dad. If parenthood threatened YOUR life and nudie bar tabs, you’d demand abortion kiosks on every street corner, punko.

          • Arekushieru

            And how is it that a uterus became equated with a vagina? Because, you are aware that it is SIMPLY BY ACCIDENT that a uterus and a vagina reside in a woman’s body, together, right? So, now, women have to become responsible for a BIOLOGICAL ACCIDENT? They have to be responsible for the X sperm fertilizing the X egg that resulted in the beginning of their lives? But, you guys say that a fetus is not responsible for implanting into a woman’s uterus. But, if they are responsible for X gamete meeting X gamete, how can they suddenly, and AT A LATER STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, not be responsible for implantation? Oh, right, I forgot, you people are also the irrational ones who claim that all stages of human development in the uterus are also the development of a person EQUAL TO INDISPUTABLE PERSONS, even though that human life at EACH STAGE LACKS at LEAST one thing every ACTUAL person has.. And, where’s the corollary for men??? And you people say you’re not misogynists. LIARS.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            so you want to enforce celibacy yet you refuse to do so yourself. Theres a word to describe you.

            its called SCUM

          • cjvg

            Having an abortion is being responsible by taking care of unwanted consequences!
            Just because it is not a choice you want us to have does not mean it is not responsible behavior!

            I think all men at puberty should have mandatory vasectomies, no unwanted pregnancies will ever occur again!
            We will just set up national sperm registers so a donation can be made before the vasectomy and when ready the man and his loving wife can visit for a quick insemination!

            Problem solved, don’t you love how men like you can start promoting this 100% fail proof solution to unwanted pregnancies?!

          • HeilMary1

            So fetuses have the right to shred and poison to DEATH their captive hosts as punishment for marital sex with creeps like you? You deserve Saint Lorena Bobbitt as your wife.

          • formerbuckeye

            You missed the point. China is forcing women to *abort* if they already have a child. The United States is interfering with a woman’s right to chose as well, just in the opposite direction, by removing women’s access to contraception, well-woman care, and abortion when needed.

            A government that has the ability to act in the way the U.S. government is acting now, and restrict or completely deny access to contraception and abortion, also has the power to reverse its policies and force women to abort wanted children and to force them to use contraception or to sterilize them against their will, which is how China treats its citizens. Also, the U.S. did, in some parts of the country at some points in our past, act exactly as China is acting now and interfered with women’s rights to choose motherhood. Google “U.S. forced sterilization.”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            might as well come right out & say it, what that fanatic wants is communism, something republicans claim to hate.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            could you possibly contradict yourself even more?

          • jejune

            A fetus isn’t a child. Children are born entities.

            And women are not livestock.

          • HeilMary1

            You want to impose deadly, disfiguring, bankrupting pregnancies on all women on behalf of pedophile priests and you’re worried about “eugenics” problems in your family? You want us to care about your genetic shortcomings while you impose childbirth injuries and deaths on the rest of us?! You’re a selfish pig!

          • iizthatiiz

            are you talking about the far less than .5% of pregnancies that are a result of rape ( I’ll expand your pedophile priest worries to include all instances of rape)

            Heil yourself meine Frau

          • Arekushieru

            Um, where did she say she was talking about rape? ALL pregnancies are life-threatening, since there is NOT a ZERO percent chance that a woman will die from it. And it is the SECOND leading cause of death for women, WORLDWIDE. Please do keep up.

          • iizthatiiz

            I tried my best to decipher HeilMary’s comment. I took the rape inference from her talk of pedophile priests and pregnancies. But to be honest, I don’t know what the hell she was sayin’.

            Moving on .. I agree there are many health concerns associatied with pregnancy. I just don’t understand what point you are making? Is it your position that women should be given free health care over those concerns?

          • formerbuckeye

            Tell me, iizthatiiz, do you believe someone has the right to defend his or her life with deadly force? For example, if someone breaks into your home and attempts to kill you, do you believe you have the right to fight that attempt with all force available for you to use, even if that available force might result in the death of your attacker?

            If you do believe you (and others) have the right to utilize deadly force to protect your existence, then you cannot reasonably deny abortion to women seeking it. Women seeking abortion are doing the exact same thing as a person who kills a home invader. They are defending their lives. Whether that level of force is justified is a decision that can only be made by the people involved, i.e., the woman, her doctor, and her partner (if applicable).

            Oh, and if you’re going to deny that a woman has a right to defend her life through use of abortion, then yes, you should provide free healthcare for the duration of the pregnancy you are forcing her to carry to term, particularly since even an ‘easy’ pregnancy has specific health consequences for the pregnant woman. Also, if the product of the woman’s pregnancy is so precious to you, then you should also fully support free healthcare during the pregnancy in order to ensure the fetus is in and remains in good health.

          • HeilMary1

            I referenced pedophile priests because they instigated the ban on maternal life-saving contraception for criminal reasons: so they’ll have unlimited children to molest.

            Pregnancy dangers are exactly why ALL women have the right to use contraception, abortion and sterilization (like your beloved guns!) to avoid such bankrupting and public safety-endangering calamities.

          • Arekushieru

            SO, only when it’s CONVENIENT for YOU, do we return to the actual topic, like we asked you to, before.

            Yes, and it should be ESPECIALLY your position, because you are the one who wants to ensure that ALL women who have conceived undergo those dangers.

            If you’re saying that that means that women should stop having consensual sex, for purposes other than procreation, then, thanks for proving what a misogynist you are. Again, I ask, WHERE’S the equally enforceable fucking corollary for men?

          • colleen2

            Mary was abused as a child by scum like you.

          • colleen2

            Liz…..you argue like a rapist.

          • HeilMary1

            I think “Liz” is a male sex offender.

          • colleen2

            ‘liz’ sure thinks like one.

          • HeilMary1

            Mother killer, some research now indicates that human semen, like feline semen, contains ovulation-triggering chemicals that explain the high pregnancy rates from rapes and the NFP malpractice scam.

          • fiona64

            Let me use small words: women are not required to reveal the reasons they seek abortions.

            Rape is underreported.

            There is no way to know how many abortions are due to rape.

            Is that simple enough for you?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            As if nobody knew your a nazi slime.

          • HeilMary1

            I think he’s picking up STDs from underage sex tourism and is worried about getting busted.

          • colleen2

            It’s those darn children. The men of the religious right expect purity and innocence in the children they abuse.

          • HeilMary1

            LOL! Who knew the real purpose of abstinence only “sex ed” was to protect pedophile clergy from rape victims’ STDs!

          • HeilMary1

            You’re the misogynist trying to bully all women into suicidal pregnancies, and you’re fretting over what the Feds might learn about YOUR sex life?! You’re a pig!

          • colleen2

            Republicans have discovered that if they send out a woman or send out someone claiming to be a woman that they are able to be FAR more openly creepy and disgusting for a time while people try to reason with them. ‘Liz’ is no exception.

          • colleen2

            I think you’ve found the wrong forum. What you’re looking for is a group of racist white women so concerned about ‘life’ that they vote for men and women who shut down the federal government so that the poor cannot have access to health care. Last week the same guys voted to cut food stamps. Perhaps a Christian Women’s Conference or blog.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            afraid we might find out your an idiot? too late for that.

          • Ella Warnock

            But “sidewalk counselors” think a woman aborting is something they’re entitled to intrude upon. If private business is actually private, then it applies to everybody. If those women don’t have that right to privacy, then you shouldn’t expect to – or feel entitled to it – either.

          • iizthatiiz

            Freedom of speech .. freedom to assemble … is a basic constitutional right. It can’t be judged on whether or not you appreciate the content. Do I think what Westboro does it wrong. Yes. Morally wrong. But constitutionally acceptable.

          • Arekushieru

            So, in effect, you’re saying that someone else can intrude on other’s privacy as long as it is something you agree with. Gotcha. Hypocrite.

          • Ella Warnock

            Freedom to assemble. Freedom to harass. Same difference.

          • HeilMary1

            So why are you copying Westboro in shaming women for self-defending abortions?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            fascism, fanatical hate mongering, sexism & racism that you espouse are not defended by the constitution, they are an anathma.

          • cjvg

            Like the doctor must now report your age, your level of education, your race and several other completely irrelevant personal identifying information when I seek an abortion?!
            That kind of irrelevant to the procedure information you mean?

          • colleen2

            Republicans don’t like it when we COUNT things. They have so compromised and destroyed the US health care system that the outcomes are increasingly grim and comparisons are really very telling. Remember when Bush wouldn’t allow the people of Iraq (or the US) to count the dead while we were invading and occupying the wrong country? Republicans lead by NEVER admitting fault or accepting responsibility. They ALWAYS place the blame on someone else. Math is their enemy.

          • expect_resistance

            Keep that tinfoil hat on it might just work.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            It does, he listens to rush limbaugh with it.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re worried about your being busted by NSA for your Viagra pedophile sex tourism in SE Asia and you’re trying to shame us over self-defending bc pills and abortions?!

          • RachelK

            Citation?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            His deluded imagination is the only reference he needs. or his toilet take your pick cause he’s full of shit.

          • cjvg

            One thing at the time please, first I would like a coherent and reasonable answer from you how the GOP denying women screenings for cancer or pregnancy related diabetes is NOT conducting a war on women?!

            I’m still waiting!

            Besides, my “personal” physician is not ever going to be just that as long as I’m a woman of reproductive age.
            As long as the GOP feels that;
            -anyone other then the woman who’s live it is can dictate what health risks she must accept,
            -what truths and medical procedures a doctor can legally refuse to tell or offer me because of HIS conscience (!) not mine,
            -what medication I can not receive covered under the employer provided health plan I pay the premiums for, because my employer and his religious views are allowed to decide how my premiums are spend and which religious rules I must live by,
            I don’t think any woman will ever have unbiased medical information, options and physicians to make her own decisions based on her needs and hers alone!

            Please “open” my eyes and explain how exactly these GOP rules leave my medical decisions in everyone else’s hands but mine and that that is “good” for me

          • iizthatiiz

            Nobody is denying anybody anything. Go to a doctor and pay for it. Or buy yourself health insurance that covers those screening.

            Jiminy Cricket .. what do you want … someone else to pay for it for you ??

            Eeessh .. get a job

          • L-dan

            Given that they want to remove those things from insurance offered on the ACA exchanges, which is insurance that people will be paying for themselves, it rather does seem they want to deny women those screenings.

            Yes, if I earn insurance through my job, or buy it separately I rather think it should cover basic reproductive health care. Why shouldn’t it?

          • iizthatiiz

            Some policies afford that coverage. Some don’t. Choose the policy that fits your needs. In cases where employer insurance doesn’t provide the specific coverage you desire, supplemental health plans are readily available for you to purchase.

          • L-dan

            First, there is no such thing as a supplemental health plan covering only women’s reproductive care. The endless push to strip abortion care from plans has shown that there are no insurance companies offering plans for just that.

            Second…why should only women be required to go seeking supplemental health care for routine screenings? That’s a wee bit discriminatory. Frankly, so is the “shop around for a plan that actually covers women fully…by the way, it will be more expensive than plans that cover men fully.”

          • cjvg

            Even if I have a job and the premium for that health insurance comes out of my paycheck, you still want to pass laws that let my employers religious views decide what insurance coverage my money can pay for!
            What I want is the right to decide what health insurance I can chose without my employers religious views dictating what health insurance I will be allowed to get, regardless of the fact that employer (group) provided health insurance still requires the employee to pay the premiums!
            Why should the employers religion dictate what my premium can buy me?
            By the way, I’ve been retired since I was 35 and have always paid my own health insurance since I also own several business. So suck it up!
            Get some reading comprehension and start answering my questions instead of trying to weasel away by pointing in another direction!

          • iizthatiiz

            There are many supplemental health plans available that can address each and every one of the concerns you mention.

          • cjvg

            So my health plan that I pay the premiums for out of my paycheck should not give me the insurance coverage I need because my employer happens to have a religious view that prohibits coverage for the most common female health concerns?!
            However he places no such gender specific restrictions on male only health care coverage because his religious views are not concerned with denying males health care options!
            That is called gender discrimination and is not a legal option in this country, I guess you do not like American laws and rights to be equal for everyone?!
            So why do you consider it no problem that females can be denied care strictly based on their gender?
            Let me guess, you are a raging misogynist that just must have someone or some group you can dominate and extort, so you can feel better about yourself?!
            It is always the small little people without any power who are just so desperate to feel a little more important by denying others basic human rights.
            Pitiful and so pathetic

          • colleen2

            ‘liz’ sounds like a Republican insurance agent.

          • colleen2

            You are lying.

          • cjvg

            So you believe women should be forced to buy two health insurances, one that covers what my employer lets me have (everything non gender specific) and one that covers the health care that a woman might need?

            So are men going to have to buy gender specific additional policies to, or that should be covered under their first employer offered health plan?

            You do realize that this is gender discrimination and considered illegal in the American work place?!

          • HeilMary1

            Mother killer, you want working women’s jobs to deny them all access to affordable contraception that they ALREADY PAID FOR with their insurance premiums. Meanwhile, you force those same women to PAY FOR YOUR CRIMINALLY-ABUSED VIAGRA.

          • Arekushieru

            Yup. We should have a conscience clause inserted in insurance plans. If their insurance plan covers Viagra, ALL service should be denied to them.

          • HeilMary1

            And let’s publicly shame men with STDs (including priests and playboy GOP politicians).

          • colleen2

            How much are you paid to post this crap here?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            and which set of funtamentalist fanatic lobbyist group is paying him.

          • fiona64

            Yeah, actually … when anti-choicers like you busy themselves with shutting down Planned Parenthood and other place where low income/underprivileged women can get those screenings, you are denying them access.

            Not all jobs have health insurance … and underprivileged people are often the hardest working people you can imagine, working several jobs to meet their basic needs of food and shelter.

            Check your privilege, sweetie, because it’s showing all over the place.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            How about you get a job first mr taliban. Oh yeah silly me I forgot, your unskilled, uneducated and utterly useless in even the most menial job.

          • Arekushieru

            And THEN you wonder why women who don’t have the money to pay an abortion provider go on welfare and call them welfare queens. WOW, what non-hypocrites you are. NOT.

          • jejune

            People living below the poverty line cannot afford doctor’s visits let alone cancer screenings you asshole.

          • fiona64

            Thanks for proving that you didn’t bother reading the information provided to you.

            I guess it’s easier to wallow in ignorance than to deal with a few moments of cognitive dissonance.

          • expect_resistance

            Why do you assume the doctor is a “He?”

            BTW, wrong again.

          • HeilMary1

            Afraid YOUR tax-paid Viagra sprees to Manila will get reported to anti-child sex trafficking authorities, punk?

          • iizthatiiz

            wow !!

            Really ??

            Are your anger management issues covered under your policy?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Funny thing is the health insurance your opposed to would provide you the mental health care you so desparately need.

          • Arekushieru

            Hmm, no, I wouldn’t say their anger management issues, when, in most cases, Republican Pro-Lifers have pretty much proven Mary’s point, time and again.

          • cjvg

            mmh, is that a yes?!

          • colleen2

            We avoid ‘pro-life’ physicians and their nurses and Republican AG’s for JUST THAT REASON. Well, that and the really shitty standards of care found in Catholic hospitals.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            heres a better idea for you. Have your own physicial refer you to some serious psychicatric care before you hurt yourself, or worse yet, someone else.

        • colleen

          you are so full of shit.

        • fiona64

          Next thing you know doctors will be be forced to report patient priviledge to the Federal government.

          Oopsie daisy … Obamacare does all that.

          Yeah … no. There’s a thing called HIPAA.

          If only we could get government out of our bedrooms.

          You Teabirchers are all for smaller government; the government only needs to be big enough to crawl into every woman’s uterus and every gay man’s bedroom, from your guys’ perspective.

          • iizthatiiz

            Hippa only controls what health care workers can say about their patients outside the work environment. You can’t gossip about patients to friends and family. It affords no protection to the now lawful demands of your friendly federal government

          • fiona64

            No, HIPAA (it stands for Health Information Privacy and Accountability Act) controls a whole lot more than that. It is not about “gossip.” It protects patient privacy. Some random dude from the government cannot have your medical records.

            Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and afctually ::gasp:: read up on the matter. http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/index.html

          • colleen

            Perhaps she has confused legitimate medical practices with Crisis Pregnancy Centers. They are, after all, cesspools of malicious gossip which offer nothing helpful except a salary for the otherwise unemployable women of the religious right.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            every member of the religions wrong is equally unemployable. One of my relatives is the same. spent 4 years in university on a “medival music history” program yet took arabic language courses instead to become a televangelist in Saudi Arabia. I kid you not, to top it all off whom I speak of is barely literate after all that education and often spouts the very same idiotic propoganda.

          • HeilMary1

            Didn’t know Saudi Arabia and Al Jazeera were looking to hire the next Christian Pat Robertson! What dummy would believe such an obvious scam?!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            whats doubly ironic is the relative I spoke of knows fully that what they’ve been doing is highly illegal in Saudi Arabia, borderline racist, and not even safe for themselves yet they still do it.

          • L-dan

            *blinks* wow, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

            My freaking pharmacy can’t get any information unless I consent to it. Neither can my insurance company. Now…they won’t pay the bills if I don’t consent to giving them information about what procedures they’re paying for, but still…I did have to sign paperwork giving that permission.

          • colleen

            It’s a Republican woman. There is no point in trying to reason with it.

          • HeilMary1

            You want HIPPA to report all sexual histories of women, non-clergy gays, etc. to the Fed if that “gotcha” info gets shared with the RCC/GOP and Fox News, but you’re worried that Dem-crafted ACA will out YOUR adulterous sex tourism to your wife and the police! Now I get it! You’re a freaking hypocrite!

          • iizthatiiz

            You really might wanna consider letting others comment for now. Your welcome to read along though.

          • HeilMary1

            No one else here agrees with your mother-killing misogyny. Why don’t YOU go troll somewhere else, mother killer?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            and your welcome to crawl back under your rock.

          • Arekushieru

            If you don’t like what she has to say, then you can stop commenting, because Mary ISN’T the one who’s trying to infringe on YOUR rights. It seems you have, though. Finally.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            if you really believed that for a second you’d be the first to reveal your own medical history for all the world to see. But who’s kidding who here, your a liar.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            At least he’s given up on the blatant lie of “secret death panels deciding who lives & dies”

        • expect_resistance

          Are you kidding me? Who is obsessed with what people are doing in the bedroom? It the GOP, duh. I would love to get the GOP out of my bedroom and out of my uterus. And the Catholic Church too.

        • HeilMary1

          You’re just livid that the Dems refuse to enslave women as throwaway incubators for pedophile priests.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          Nope mr fascist fanatic, thats all on you. Sorry your old nazi tactic of “telling a lie enough times & it’ll be belived” just doesn’t wash anymore

      • colleen

        Really, you explain to me how it supports the “traditional” family if
        mom dies from pregnancy induced diabetes or cervical cancer because it
        was found to late?!

        In the Traditional Family structure this person is referring to the women are as disposable as Kleenex, sadly this is particularly true if they marry a successful and wealthy Republican and then age. Traditional Marriage means that women assume all the responsibility and men have all the rights . We can tell by observing the marriages of Traditional Marriage Pundits like Rush Limbaugh, Newt GIngrich, Mark Sanford, David Vitter and Clarence Thomas that Traditional Marriage devotees make crappy husbands and yet guaranteed infidelity and a lifetime of self abnegation and spousal abuse is the best such ‘men’ have to offer. Odd that Traditional Marriage Proponents never consider the former wives of religious right Republicans. It is as if they, like the maternal mortality rate and religious freedom for women never existed.

        • cjvg

          Oops, I forgot that the GOP definition of “traditional” family is where dad does not have to shell out money for a divorce when he wants a newer model.
          Those “traditional” family models are just so much better because wifey number one dies before he is ready for a new one.

          • HeilMary1

            Like Erik Prince and Mean Gene Church (of Satan).

          • colleen

            ah, that helps explain their desire to increase the maternal mortality rate in the US. What a shame their efforts are succeeding

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          in such families children are also regarded as disposable, or at best a future retirement plan for the parents. I was 1 such child. I refuse to be that way any longer and I’m making efforts to change my own life.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        it doesn’t support families, it supports for profit (aka racketeering) style of health care that has been buying off the right wing fanatics for decades.

    • HeilMary1

      Non-stop GOP oil wars throughout the last century and into this century have created millions of single mothers by killing off their husbands and fiances. Pedophile priest-serving forced overpopulation has robbed Americans of living wage jobs by outsourcing their jobs to slave laborers in Catholic poverty pits in Latin America and the Philippines. A global birth strike would raise everyone’s wages by reducing slave labor competition.

      • iizthatiiz

        Yes, I clearly remember how those Republican presidents brought us into the two biggest oil wars of the last century. World War I and World War II. Both Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt should have never dragged us into those conflicts. At the conclusion of both these wars the map of the middle east was redrawn to satisfy American thirst for oil. Damn those Republicans!

        If only Wilson and Roosevelt had been good liberal Democrats.

        • colleen

          trying to change the subject?

          • iizthatiiz

            I was asked about oil wars .. I answered that specifically

          • Arekushieru

            No, you weren’t. How’s that reading incomprehension working out for ya? She tied it to… wait for it… wait for it… creating “millions of single mothers by killing off their husbands and fiances.”. But, of course, when it comes to women, Conservatives just COULDN’T care less, now could they?

          • iizthatiiz

            You’re arguing that widowhood is a sound basis for a lifetime of Federal handouts? Women would be offing husbands left and right. Jiminy.

          • Arekushieru

            No, that’s what we’re saying YOU’RE arguing. Because those are the wars YOUR ilk supports. Please learn to read.

            Thanks for proving, btw, that you care LITTLE about women. Create an untenable situation, then expect them to take care of themselves. Victim blaming. Gotta love it.

          • HeilMary1

            “Create an untenable situation, then expect them to take care of themselves.”

            That sums up perfectly the Teabangenital game of frame and blame.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Fascists like him care about 1 thing and 1 thing only – themselves.

          • Arekushieru

            Yep, but don’t create an untenable situation for THEM, first, cuz that’s infringing on their RIGGGGHHHHTSS!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Infringing on their “right” to infringe, is that blasphemy or sacrilige? does it make me a heathen?

          • Arekushieru

            Or is it more like being tolerant of INtolerance? I never understood how you can be tolerant and intolerant at the same time…?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            One can only do both simultaneously by either willingly adopting MPD or being an overcooked spaghetti

          • HeilMary1

            Mother-killing hypocrite, if single mothers offend you so much, how about YOU opposing husband-killing wars that make grieving widowed homemakers with small children then dependent on government aid?! Husband-murdering “black widows” are extremely rare and small in damage compared to the genocidal corporate war profiteers like the Bushes, Cheneys and Princes. I support confiscating the blood loot of the Bushes, Cheneys and Princes and redistributing it to war veteran families.

          • iizthatiiz

            ok .. I’m starting to realize that you may have suffered a major loss of some kind. If so, my condolences.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Like you all previous fascists advocate killing of what they call “useless eaters”

          • colleen

            you are so full of shit

          • cjvg

            Please, stop the insulting and unfair comparisons to something as usefull as shit. Shit has many beneficial and useful functions, it removes products that are without use to the body, it is historically used and can still be used very beneficially as a crop fertilizer etc etc.

            This load of inane insensible drivel however, does not even have a semblance of usefulness.
            On behave of shit everywhere I object to this insulting comparison

          • colleen

            my sincere apologies to shit

          • cjvg

            Thank you.
            On behave of all shit I will express the sincere relief of shit at the cessation of this hurtful comparison

          • cjvg

            Thanks for getting the sarcasm, not making light of the issue but it is just so disheartening to see the same useless and inane crap trotted out as arguments every time.
            Sometimes I just do not want to spend one iota more of my time and effort on repudiating these repetitive unsupported brain farts trotted out as “reasonable” arguments!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I’m not a fan of shit really but I still approve this message .;P

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            As CJVG said shit is up to a higher standard than that raving lunatic.

          • colleen

            Republicans are such shameless liars. The government shutdown appears to have affected the already historically low ratings of Congressional Republicans. Pretty soon their entire female voting bloc will consist of Republican trophy wives who haven’t been discarded yet, women who admire Michelle Duggar and want to emulate her and women who run around with signs saying “I regret my abortion”.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            A lie is not an answer.

        • Arekushieru

          Actually, the CONSEQUENCES of those wars were less about oil than defending human rights. The consequences of the wars that BUSH led you guys into was ALL about oil, nothing about defending human rights. Oh, that’s right, like a TYPICAL Republican. OOPS.

          • iizthatiiz

            pfft .. they didn’t give a hill of beans about human rights until the axis powers went into North Africa and threatened to sweep into mid-east oil fields

          • Arekushieru

            Isn’t that what I said? Oi. LEARN. 2. READ. Otherwise, what DO you think consequences mean? Oops.

          • iizthatiiz

            Like it or not .. energy = national security

            It’s why the Japanese attacked the U.S. in World War II, as we were preventing Japanese access to oil supplies in Southeast Asia, Indonesia, Phillippines, etc.

            It has a great deal to do with why we went into Iraq.

            No country can survive with access to energy supplies. Thats just a fact of life since the beginning of the 20th century.

          • Arekushieru

            Um, why aren’t you even TRYING to reply to what I’m saying, now?

            REPUBLICANS supported the war in Iraq. The majority of Liberals did not. And that was a war where the only consequence (and what was SUPPOSED to be under discussion, but you decided to make it about something ELSE for some reason) was unrestricted access to someone ELSE’ supply of oil. Thereby bankrupting them. If energy = national security, you just destroyed Iraq’s national security and survivability. Trading one nation’s security for another’s doesn’t increase survivability, not even by YOUR logic. OOPS.

            And I must have missed the millions of Jews that were released from concentration camps during the Second World War.

            Of course, cue anti-Semitic bullshit in 3… 2… 1…! Especially since it will be ACTUAL antisemitism, not what Republicans accuse us of just because it’s CONVENIENT.

          • colleen

            Remember what happened last time we relied on Republicans for our national security? They invaded and occupied the wrong country with our money. Now Republicans are trying to kill the poor by denying them access to the health care system.

            I would want to change the subject too

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Nor does he admit to the lie about the non-existant WMD’s

          • HeilMary1

            That Daddy Bush sold to Saddam before Gulf War I!

          • HeilMary1

            You’re ignoring the fact that it is so much cheaper and healthier to SIMPLY PAY FOR THE DAMN OIL! Trumped-up invasion excuses line the pockets of arms manufacturers who make billions exploding old weapons and getting replacement order contracts. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of young men are maimed and murdered so that, as Carl Rove bragged to a GOP cohort, taxpayers are then forced to pay billions to Halliburton and Blackwater CEOs who then launder the tax money into Bush 41 and 43 RE-ELECTION campaigns! Then GOP adulterers add insult to injured war vet families by sliming the resulting widows, spinsters and divorcees (like the jilted first Mrs. McCains and Doles) as single mother “sluts”!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            lets not forget you and your ilk = greatest threat to a free humanity in the 21st century. I shudder to think of our future if you and you’re cronies had the power you dream of.

          • HeilMary1

            You mean the Nazi-supporting GOP didn’t give a hoot about Jews and gays in death camps until Ibn Saud made deals with Hitler.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Don’t forget Adolf Hitler & his cronies are all reaping their hellish karma for their atrocities. Care to join them?

            No I didn’t think so.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Don’t forget Dick (the irony of his name) Chaney’s well known and very deep connection to Haliburton with its massive contracts with the military efforts in Iraq complete with shoddy facilities that were as dangerious to soldiers as enemy fire.

          • HeilMary1

            The whole purpose of the invasion was to funnel tax money to Bush campaign donors.

          • Arekushieru

            CJ, my uncle works for Halliburton and he’d be the LAST person to DISagree with you.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Yeah it was these same lot that in the early 80’s supported Saddam in his war against Iran (where there many atrocities unreported elsewhere). Who supplied Saddam with much of what he needed during that time? us right here in north america. What drove that point home for me is during desert storm the 1st the british forces were wearing their winter uniforms in the desert as they’d sold all their summer uniforms to the Iraqi’s.

        • HeilMary1

          The treasonous Rockefellers, DuPonts, Dulleses and Bushes of the Nazi-supporting Liberty Lobby begged Gen. Smedley Butler to overthrow Roosevelt so they could set up Nazi slave labor camps here in the U.S. to jack up their corporate profits. Thankfully for us, Butler ratted them out. Hitler wouldn’t have risen to and stayed in power without crucial money laundering by the Bush crime family and the Vatican ordering German Catholics to vote for anti-abortion never-excommunicated Catholic Hitler. You conveniently left out several senseless invasions pushed by the war-profiteering Bushes.

          • iizthatiiz

            You left out the Kennedy’s, the Rothschild’s, the Roosevelts, and slew of European monarchs. Oh, you probably want to include the Koch brothers as well.

          • fiona64

            You’re not fond of facts, are you?

            I’m sorry for the painful cognitive dissonance and all … but HM1 has it correct. The Bush family, et al., were war profiteers. Here’s an article about “Poppy” Bush that talks about the matter: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

          • HeilMary1

            Now why would the Roosevelt and Kennedy families conspire to overthrow THEMSELVES, dumbass?

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I wouldn’t be surprised if you do desire a national socialist totalitarian regime here in north america. Not that you’d admit that most of the high level Nazi’s described themselves as “god fearing christians”

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            You left yourself out. the irony being that your little conspiricy hoax points the finger of blame back at yourself.

        • cjvg

          Oh, I thought America entered world war II because japan bombed pearl harbor?! (You do know that Japan was the ally of Germany during that war, don’t you?!)

          You can’t remember that little act of aggression on the part of the German/Japanese/Italian coalition?
          I guess killing our fellow American citizens and bombing our country was just a trivial little issue not worth declaring war over in your opinion.

          As for world war I, Germany sank several American merchant ships and then topped that of with the sinking of the British passenger ship Lusitania, killing a great number of US citizens in the process!
          Those unwarranted multiple acts of aggression that severely endangered our citizens lives when traveling and the viability of our economy, as well as the treat to our European allies and the cries for action by our merchants and our citizens prompted the war declaration!

          When committing words to paper, please learn some facts so as not to be shown up as a complete idiot by your own writing!
          These absurd, unsupportable and very obviously nonsense allegations make any and all subsequent “facts” you spout after suspect from the beginning.

          Any person with even a modicum of education, or living grandparents or a working TV set is at least somewhat aware of the bombing of pearl harbor and that that started WW II.
          The nonsense you spout about that, will prompt them to at least take a closer look at the truth of your WW I assertions, which will then be proven complete fiction too.

          After been caught in two blatant and unwarranted lies you have now lost all credibility.
          If the strength of your arguments can not stand by itself you would do well to figure out why that is!
          Thinking is NOT a mortal sin and will not land you in satan’s clutches, deliberate lying however will!

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            how do we know he’s not already in satans clutches? On another note libraries and bookstores are also cool places which apparantly this perticular troll is unaware of.

          • cjvg

            Oh I have no doubt he actually is, however he believes he is on the side of the righteous so lets just use his own delusion’s against him.

            Maybe he’ll actually learn to argue honestly and with reason from this experience.
            It is doubtful, but one should never give up hope however slim the chance.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I do agree its a very slim chance. probably anorexic (no offense aimed at those who’ve suffered from that).

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          yet you forget the only theatre of combat in either of those wars remotely close to oil prodicing areas was north africa, Central & eastern europe and the pacific rim are NOT oil rich areas. Reality is North americas distance from the front lines & the undamaged manufacturing capabilities allowed the allies to outstrip the enemies capability to fight despite our military technology wasn’t the most advanced untill well into the war.

    • L-dan

      The Democrats are actually pushing women into single-parent households? I missed that part where they’re dissolving the institution of marriage entirely and forcing divorces on people. That’s awful.

      Oh, wait; that’s not what’s happening at all.

      What I’ve seen is finding ways to no longer discriminate toward families that don’t look like someone’s idea of traditional. (traditional to what time period? Which culture? There are quite a few making up our country even from early in our history)

      Which all begs the question of whether the traditional family was such a boon to women in the first place, such that veering away from it would be harmful to them.

      It even further begs the question of how this relates to the article in the first place. Do women in traditional families somehow not benefit from health care specific to women? They’re shielded from cervical cancer and unwanted pregnancy simply by being in one of whatever you consider a traditional family? Or are you trying for some screwed up non-existent equivalency between the slate of Republican policies that are hostile to women and your made up Democrat policies that somehow hurt women by not dictating the sorts of families they get to live in?

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        Perhaps they’re hoping forcing everyone to wear burkha’s (excuse if I spelled it wrong) and placing us all in a state mandated totalitarian religion complete with slave labour camps will make us all “free”

    • fiona64

      So … wanting women to have access to a full range of reproductive health care is a “war on women”? Really?

      Excuse me for a moment …

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      There. I feel better now.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        In other news the GOP today declared the sky is pink.

        • fiona64

          … And we’ve always been at war with Eastasia. ;-)

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I thought it was Oceania? or did I miss the newest revision of the Orwellian “right speak” book?

          • fiona64

            It’s been a long time since I read it … you may be right.

    • expect_resistance

      What? Wrong!
      The GOP is so anti-woman it’s downright disgusting. The GOP is trying to shrink
      government to the size they can fit into a woman’s uterus, not the Dems. I’m
      sorry but your argument is bullshit.

      Who fought for an signed the Lilly
      Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009? Hmm let’s see Democrats.

      Who fought for and signed Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA), hmmm let’s see….. the Democrats

      As for a life of servitude, what has the GOP done to raise the minimum wage? Nothing. The ten states with the highest percentage of population using food stamps are- South Carolina, Maine, West Virginia, Kentucky,
      Louisiana, Michigan, New Mexico, Tennessee, Oregon, and Mississippi. 7 out of 10 have republican governors.

      If you want to place blame, you could start with sucky low-paying Wal-Mart
      jobs. “The study, “Hidden Cost of Wal-Mart Jobs,” found that the
      average Wal-Mart worker required $730 in taxpayer-funded healthcare and $1,222
      in other forms of assistance, such as food stamps and subsidized housing, to
      get by.” Wal-Mart is a HUGE recipient of government handouts.

      And why does the GOP get to define “traditional families.” That is a problem in itself. Or should I say, why to they get to define what a family is? Maybe the “traditional” patriarchal family is dysfunctional.

      So no, there is no war on women by the Dems only the GOP.

      • iizthatiiz

        The GOP doesn’t define traditional families. Centuries of human cultures and societies have defined that. That is until the present day, where we find ourselves in a society where irresponsability is rewarded with free entitlements, given out like candy by power-driven politicians that want nothing in return but their votes to keep them in power.

        With such a large percentage of our population now basically uneducated, unable to perform simple math, and 3rd grade reading comphrehension, is it any wonder there is a plethora of sucky jobs. We have sucky, uneducated citizens, and the jobs out there are a perfect fit for them.

        • expect_resistance

          No, the GOP IS trying to define what a “traditional family” is. It’s narrow minded to say that “Centuries of human cultures and societies have defined that.” Bullshit. Only if you are looking at western male-dominated cultures and societies. In my state the Republicans tried to ban same-sex marriage by adding an amendment to the MN constitution. They lost. Now same-sex marriage is legal in MN. This will only strengthen families in MN. The Republicans don’t see same-sex marriage as a “traditional family.” Well fuck them. Many of these nontraditional families are much more healthy and stronger than “traditional families.”

          Let’s talk about irresponsibility. Look at the GOP now. Idiots. They shut down the government to stop the ACA. It didn’t work.

          Speaking of education, why do you think the education system in this country is lacking? I would start with the assault on public school teachers and the complete defunding of our public education system. If we actually paid teachers what they are worth and invested in education we would be a lot better off. Republicans are such hypocrites. They worship at the altar of the fetus and after they are born don’t give a rats ass anymore. It’s such a no brainer to fund education.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            I grew up in what that dolt calls “traditional family”. I lived through years of religious abuse, hatred, that very same substandard public education. What I got out of it is a mistrust of humanity and self loathing so severe I can’t stay in any relationship for long or trust anyone. Yet these very same people who continue to perpetrate these same crimes against humanity wonder why those like myself are angry.

          • HeilMary1

            Your upbringing sounds similar to mine.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Your or I are not alone in that, there are many others, I know many had it far worse than I did. I’m fortunate I didn’t have more than I could survive and even now its taking my entire life to recover.

        • fiona64

          Whose traditions are used to create the definitions you claim? I guarantee that you have never studied anthropology, if you make such a naive claim. Not all kinship diagrams look the same, you know.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            While its a valid point it’ll go over his head since his 3rd grade education never taught him the meaning of those “big werds”.

        • HeilMary1

          Deadbeat daddy pedophile priests are the original role models for broken families, jackass, and your GOP robbed and dumbed down public schools, while exporting our good jobs to OVERPOPULATED SLAVES in the third world for CEO greed.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            Y’know I’ve got multiple diplomas in electronics but can’t get work in that field like so many others for exactly the reasons you just gave. yet republican douche nozzles like the one you just replied to continue brag about all the “gereat jobs they created” for us all in sweatshop-mart (aka wal fart)

          • HeilMary1

            Exactly! GOP/RCC-enforced overpopulation creates human dog fights for dwindling automated jobs. Years ago, I read there were 36 million unemployed adults and 18 million sweatshop slave labor kids in India. “Mother” Teresa’s anti-contraception meddling snatched jobs away from parents and enslaved their own kids in those stolen jobs. The GOP/RCC are forcing global overpopulation to punish the “sinful” middle class whose very stability and health were created by Margaret Sanger’s safe sex revolution. Before her crusade, women were usually dead by their thirties from 10-30 unwanted pregnancies and men were dead by their forties from working 100 hour weeks to support those damn litters. Meanwhile, pedophile priests, politicians and billionaires had their pick of the hottest looking street orphans. We need a global birth strike to bring outsourced jobs back home, stop oil wars and starve the Vatican’s child sex trafficking.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            wrong sourcing is what I call it and its another big problem that yes does relate to this one. It also relates to poverty in so many places that enables multinationals to take advantage. Too many people live in situations where their only options are (1) starve, (2) become a 21st century corporate slave, or (3) become a victim of human trafficking and be further victimized as a sex slave. yet these right wing nutjobs tell us we’re all going to hell if we don’t live their way. I don’t worry about going to hell the world we live in is hell, I want out! and so should the rest of us.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          If you wish to see the someone uneducated take a look in your own mirror.

        • jejune

          Traditional families throughout most of human culture have been polygamous.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        theres a documentary called “Is mal wart good for america? the high cost of low price” that said much the same and listed many many examples.

    • Curtis Maes

      If women wanted to be in traditional families they would. It’s not hard for people who have an iota of intelligence. Men who want traditional wives are now looking in desperation overseas. There is no shortage of guys who want a wife who stays home and obeys him. Nice try at your twist however it should read weary of war on guys who want their laundry done no questions asked.

      • iizthatiiz

        unfortunately, there are too many women that find it all to easy to have a kid or two (doesn’t matter who the father is to them) .. and spend their lives living off the public dole. The number of single parent “families” in America is astounding.

        And with the loose morals found everywhere, there is no shortage of meaningless hook-ups. No responsibilities .. no families.

        And you think its about laundry??

        • fiona64

          You do realize that the number of single-parent families has to do with the menfolk skipping out, right?

          Right?

          And, BTW, one can indeed have a family *without* having children. I know, it’s a revolutionary thought to you — but it’s true. Not all families look alike.

          • colleen2

            No, this is a Republican. Republicans men are NEVER responsible for anything. Least of all the children they have fathered, the disease they spread, the lies they tell or the consequences of poor decisions.

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            It’s very true what you say there, I should’ve said so earlier. Brings up another point, what if a couple can’t have children for whatever medical reason? that kind of thinking the resident troll trotted out would make such people feel guilt or shame they don’t deserve.I’d scream a loud NO WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT in my best Dee Shneider voice.

        • HeilMary1

          Most single mothers don’t qualify for public aid, and they were dumped for being DISFIGURED BY PREGNANCIES.

          If you’re going to oppose abortion and contraception, then prepare for 90% of marriages breaking up AFTER the first kid. You can’t be anti-choice and pro-looksism at the same time because most pregnancies ruin women’s health and looks in some way.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          No your trying to make it about laundry. Or more to the point the real reason is your so repugnant as a human being nobody would marry you. I’m embarrassed to be male, thanks to you.

          • cjvg

            Don’t worry, you are nothing like him.
            It starts with your ability for logic and reasoning and the gap widens from there.

            From an evolutionary standpoint I would conclude that you are a humanoid from a completely different branch then that one.
            His being more one of those evolutionary dead ends that never really developed into Homo Sapiens, or even Neanderthal for that matter

          • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

            thanks but I grew up surrounded by his kind of lunacy and was a victim of it myself. It probly sounds weird to someone else but If I was ever abducted by aliens (never even seen a ufo) I’d ask them to drop me off someplace else with breathable air where people are not regarded as property or some other kind of “human resource”

        • jejune

          Says the guy who is proudly pro-rape.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        As I just said I’m a guy I’m not opposed to being married nor would I treat any woman as a slave. I swing the other way, women are perfectly equal to men. I’d be quite honoured if a woman wanted to be married with me and I would not for a second even think of trying to take away her self determination.

    • grantal

      oh I think you are confused. Most men don’t want to be married and really don’t want children. It is just too much for them to handle. So that leaves us women to do virtually everything and not get paid for it. Not a democrat issue but a forced issue by the GOP and the catholic cult. Your not fooling anyone here.

      • HeilMary1

        Most men, especially conservatives and priests, fear being dragged down financially and socially by average-looking “unworthy” women and squalling brats. They all want to live like Hugh Hefner, George Clooney and Mel Gibson.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          Being a man myself I am not one of those, nor do I make excuses for those who are.

          • HeilMary1

            Good for you!

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      you are living proof of that quote which states “when fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag & carrying the cross”

    • jejune

      Traditional families = enslavement of women as help-meets and broodmares.

    • mike tyson

      Dude you are retarded. You are a dumb mother f.

  • cjvg

    The “conscience clause,” which would also allow employers to opt out of covering screenings for cervical cancer, pregnancy-related diabetes and sexually transmitted infections, was added into the House spending bill on Saturday. The provision is similar to Sen. Roy Blunt’s (R-Mo.) controversial proposal in 2011, which the Senate rejected.
    huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/republicans-birth-control-amendment_n_4017597.html

    Obviously, if the GOP are even trying to deny coverage for pregnancy caused diabetes and cervical cancer etc. but no attempts at all are made to deny men prostate cancer screenings or Viagra and Cialis or screenings for diabetes in men (caused by overeating and unhealthy lifestyle), it is absolutely warranted to call this a war on women!
    What other excuse can they possibly give for denying these preventative health screenings?

    These screenings are NOT related to sexual promiscuity or pre-marital sex, since even women who have had only sex within their marriage need these!
    Basically what they are saying is that women should and could be denied health coverage as long as it is a health coverage that is strictly bound to their gender alone!

    Fine, if an employer wants that religious prerogative then the secular state should insist that the taxpayers want the prerogative that any and all employers who decide to exercise this religious conscience will also be a 100% exclude from any and all government contracts (local as well as federal) or subsidies, grants, tax exemptions or any other possible way that even a cent of public money will enter their business!
    This should be strictly enforced without exceptions (shell companies included)
    Not a single one will want to exercise their “religious conscience” then!

    • expect_resistance

      Thanks for posting. I’m forwarding this too everyone I know. This “conscience clause” is outrageous! It’s so fucked up. How can they say it’s against their conscience to provide cancer screenings etc. Women will die because of the GOP “conscience.”

      • HeilMary1

        My under-insured next door neighbor just died of a diabetes-related infection because his Tea Party preferred he die rather than risk any women being on the same planet with any contraceptive devices. His mother agreed with me.

      • colleen

        The religious right constantly confuses it’s ‘consciences’ with it’s insane hatred of women. ‘If it hurts women, it will please God and make the republican party and Catholic church more popular’ appears to be the strategy. That’s what happens when you follow the babbling of a church that spends more of it’s own money defending employees who rape children or trying to deny healthcare to the poor than it spends actually ‘helping’ the poor.

        • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

          Protestants are equally guilty of that kind of anti-rights propoganda.

    • HeilMary1

      That should go triple for wife killer, Muslim children sex trafficker Erik Prince of Blackwater.

    • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

      Time to rename this “conscience clause” to what it really is, that being a “the religious dictatorship clause”

  • expect_resistance

    I’ve had HIPPA training too. It’s very clear you are lying.

  • HeilMary1

    You want zero HIPAA reporting on YOUR sex life, but you want all of our ladies room breaks blared on Fox News.

  • fiona64

    If you’d had HIPAA training, you’d know the actual acronym at a minimum.

  • colleen2

    you are ridiculous. .

  • Arekushieru

    You’re the one being lazy by not reading the comments. Typical of antis to erroneously accuse others of what they are actually doing.

    Btw, if you make the claim, you provide the name. Kthx.

  • RachelK

    And, I have, I’m a primary source kind of woman, and have been following all this all along. It doesn’t say what you say it does. In any case, please provide a citation that doesn’t come from a right wing conspiracy sight or you know . . . don’t. Because you can’t.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    An honest question I’ve never seen a good answer to is this, why is it all the guys who sleep around are not called sluts? they should be!

    • HeilMary1

      Misogynists claim guy sluts aren’t as depraved as gal sluts.

      • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

        yeah they do that, but testosterone proves otherwise. Not that I lay it all on biology, there are people who think for themselves and have some kind of self control.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    Remember King Solomon from the bible? there was a guy with at least 300 wives & 700 concubines. Most of his ilk won’t tell you that sordid detail even if their dimly aware of it.

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    First rule of legit fact finding – google is NOT a verb!