• invalid-0

    “forced childbirth”
    I’m glad you at least realize that it is a child that is being terminated and not a pregnancy.

  • invalid-0

    Why does this site seem to attract such nutcases as evidence of the first comment who so smuggly says “I’m glad you at least realize it is a child being terminated and not a pregnancy.” NO you idiot go back to science class for a moment and realize with me that it is a group of cells. It has no memory, no being, nothing but a GROUP OF CELLS! I for one would rather be for the woman who is A LIVING BREATHING HUMAN BEING THAT IS BORN WITH A LIFE, FAMILY, FRIENDS, ETC. Oh and another thing why are you prolifers so crazy in love with a bundle of cells and again so willing to let a BORN woman suffer and not really care about the bundle of cells when it is born? I guess I never will understand but then again I am not indoctrinated by the right.

  • amanda-marcotte

    No one thinks that a baby is not a baby after it's born. I'm talking about forcing a woman to make a baby. Now, I realize that you, being anti-choice, prefer to think the baby is fully formed after a man does his part, but in reality, it takes 9 months for a woman to make the baby after that. I know, it sucks to admit that women do anything worth admiring and is much easier to pretend that men make babies by ejaculating and all female contributions afterwards can be dismissed by equating a real baby made with 9 months of pregnancy with a zygote made with 10 minutes of sex.

  • harry834

    2 seconds of sex

    One ejaculation and they think they are god, the creators of life with one squirt. Of course the woman then needs to be controlled. Your creation will be destroyed unless the incubator (the woman) is dominated and provides her function for the man's dream of creation.

  • invalid-0

    I am reading your and amanda’s comments, and you are so angry and hateful over someone who simply has a different opinion and believes something entirely different than you. Whatever happened to civil discourse and the idea that perhaps you might not be 100% correct? Many pro life folks simply believe that life begins at conception…no scientific theory will ever change that belief, because it is grounded on something greater, something that anti-spiritual aetheists cannot understand…FAITH! Billions of people put more emphasis everyday on their faith than your scientific theory.

    The simple fact is, regardless of where the baby is in its developmental process, people with faith believe that it already has a soul. That it is also a living creature, whether it has begun to form actual body parts or not is irrelevant. People also make decisions and policy that is guided by their moral and spiritual beliefs, just like aetheists make decisions that are guided by their moral and anti-spiritual beliefs. So why is one better than the other? You all need to be a little less hateful and a little more tolerant of intelligent, faith-filled people who actually think about these things (not indoctrinated, like you so offensively say), but just might believe that there is something higher than themselves.

  • invalid-0

    What utter crap.

    Anyone who believes a soul is incorporated into the fertilized egg at conception is either a moron or has to believe god is one mean mother-fucker since the majority of fertilized eggs never implant. That’s a hell of a lot of souls god would be sending down here just to end up on tampons. *rolls eyes*

  • invalid-0

    you are so angry and hateful over someone who simply has a different opinion and believes something entirely different than you.

    Well, these pro lifers are lobbying for the government to step in and take away a woman’s right to decide. That is the basis for hostility right there.

    no scientific theory will ever change that belief, because it is grounded on something greater, something that anti-spiritual aetheists cannot understand…FAITH! Billions of people put more emphasis everyday on their faith than your scientific theory.

    Ad hominem right there, with a touch of strawman. Your implication is pro choicers are atheists, so would you like a broom to go with your sweeping generalizations? The belief life begins at conception is just that: a belief and it’s not backed up by scientific evidence.

    You all need to be a little less hateful and a little more tolerant of intelligent, faith-filled people who actually think about these things (not indoctrinated, like you so offensively say)

    WHAT? I cannot believe you just said something so pungently ignorant. You come in begging for tolerance, and then waste your post slinging around labels.

  • invalid-0

    Your disrespect reveals the utter simplicity of your intellect (**shakes head**)

  • invalid-0

    No…actually the very ironic thing is that you demand conservatives to be tolerant on the issues that you deem necessary, and then refuse to respect another opinion.

    There’s actually very little point in debating abortion with you people…you simply want to talk to yourselves, and then use your elitist liberal views to disrespect anyone with a dissenting opinion.

    You talk about the health of women and their right to choose to kill their babies…what about all the psychological effects that many women experience due to abortions. There’s plenty of scientific theory on that one…or do you simple just cherry pick that science that suits your interest.

    • harry834

      I'm trying to find out what the difference is between being hostile to a dissenting opinion versus merely expressing an opinion that makes you uncomfortable and challenged. Or are you only allowed that freedom? You've called us baby killers x number of times. How is that not hateful?

      We should probably just say what we want or figure out what these "civil discourse" rules are. Because each of our dissenting opinions are just harsh-sounding to the other. We'll both have to deal.

      I'd also ask if abortion is murder, would you have the woman who got the abortion get the punishment for murder. It doesn't seem like it since you feel sorry for women who regret their abortions.

      And what about women who don't regret their abortions? You'll treat them like criminals, it seems. Seems you'll only support women when they make the choice you want them too.

      And one person asked a question about fertilized eggs on a tampon. If personhood begins at conception, does that make the washing out of these eggs during a woman's period – about 1/2-2/3 amount of the time – is this then anatural disaster. Are we not obligated to verify if the tampon had a fertilized egg on it, the same way we would have to verify missing persons in a natural disaster like Katrina?

      If personhood begins at conception, fertilized eggs are persons, then we have to inspect every tampon for verification of the bodies. If found dead, we must give the egg on the tampon a proper funeral.

      If you think the above is insane, why? Don't you believe that personhood begins at conception? You said so.

    • invalid-0

      Adoption industrialist to low income pregnant girl: “Just give it up for adoption, honey, YOU’LL GET OVER IT”

      Abortion opponent to low income pregnant girl: “Don’t kill your bayyyybeeee. YOU’LL NEVER GET OVER IT”

      They can’t both be right, now can they? The “moral” of this little story: don’t put your bloody bullshit words into the mouths of other people. It’s bad enough that you put words into the mouth of your invisible friend in the sky (your god-puppet). Your faith is not very strong if it needs to lodge its perverse head between the legs of strange women.

  • invalid-0

    Hi Harry,

    Out of ‘respect for life’ and respect for those who claim to value life, women should start sending their used tampons to pro-life organizations and ‘crisis pregnancy centers’ for those death investigations and proper burials!

  • harry834

    would be the first to give them in

  • invalid-0

    Obviously for a fertilized egg to have a chance at life, it needs to be in the mother’s womb, so no, a funeral would not be neccessary.

    ;-)

    Seriously though, how can you prove that a baby in its early stages of life does not have a soul?

    I believe it does, so if that makes me a crazy pro lifer than so be it.

  • invalid-0

    A newborn has no chance at life without care provided to it, and refusing to do so is infanticide (by omission)….we count the child, bury it in this case and also prosecute for failure to care for it. If fertilized eggs deserve the same respect (even beyond that, giving them rights over a womans body) then we should be obligated to count them none the less.

    Being consistent doesn’t make ones idea absurd.

  • invalid-0

    “switching the burden of proof”. Pro lifers cannot prove personhood begins at conception. In turn, anonymous challenges us to prove the blastocyst doesn’t have a soul. Two different things here, plus the soul is a philosophical concept which cannot be measured nor analyzed.

  • invalid-0

    You’re absolutely right. If I hear one more anti-choicer scream about how wonderful it is to give your child up for adoption and how great it will make you feel, I’m going to scream.

    Who can presume to know how a woman is or isn’t going to feel? ANY reproductive health experience brings with it a range of experiences for women. Adoption is a wonderful option for some, abortion is the best option for others.

    But, PLEASE, don’t pretend to know what is best for me or any other woman in the world. The hypocrisy is horrendous and so darn easy to throw out as hollow and judgemental.

  • invalid-0

    Personhood is a completely subjective concept, and cannot ever be proven. While something like “is it a life?” can be proven, there’s no way that anyone can accurately say “aha! I have proven personhood begins at birth.”

  • harry834

    you DON'T think the fertilized egg is a person…

    Because if it was, then a woman's period would be considered a natural disaster, and we'd be obligated to verify the dead body on the tampon, etc, everything I said above.

    But you seemed to have dodged the question.

    Do you or don't you think that the fertilized egg is a person? If yes, why don't you agree with the natural disaster obligations I've suggested?

  • invalid-0

    Feminism and Michael Jackson.. I love when my worlds collide.

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