Rogue Abortion Provider’s Medical License Could Be Permanently Revoked


Read more of RH Reality Check‘s articles on Steven Brigham here.

Rogue abortion provider Dr. Steven C. Brigham may permanently lose his ability to legally practice medicine after a New Jersey judge recommended a permanent revocation of his medical privileges.

Brigham has a troubling past, and has been under investigation by state authorities for medical practices that have pushed the boundaries of ethics and the law.

If the decision is upheld by the New Jersey Board of Medical Examiners, Brigham will no longer have any valid credentials to practice medicine in the United States. This would also force Brigham to close eight abortion clinics that he operates in New Jersey.

Brigham operates American Women’s Services, which list offices in Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, in addition to the offices in New Jersey. Since the 1990s, Brigham has operated a dangerous practice, despite repeated complaints to authorities from reputable providers over the course of several years.

In August 2010, an 18-year-old patient was left with major internal injuries after what was supposed to have been a routine surgical abortion performed by a Brigham-affiliated clinic. The doctor who performed the emergency surgery on her at a Baltimore hospital contacted the authorities, leading to a raid of the clinic by law enforcement, who found fetal remains in freezers.

Brigham’s medical privileges were suspended in 2010 when the Board of Medical Examiners found that “his continued practice presents a clear and imminent danger.”

In November 2013, the Pennsylvania Department of Health’s Bureau of Facility Licensure and Certification issued an order against Philadelphia reproductive health clinic Integrity Family Health for failing to disclose an affiliation with American Women’s Services.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that in the 86-page decision, Administrative Law Judge Jeff Masin wrote that Brigham’s “past conduct is troubling.”

“He has suffered license revocations. He has run afoul of the licensing authorities in New York, Pennsylvania and Florida. He has a conviction for failure to file income taxes. And here, he has demonstrated a willingness to play fast and loose with the law in Maryland,” Masin wrote.

The decision comes after Masin heard evidence last year from New Jersey prosecutors showing that Brigham used a dangerous scheme in which he would begin abortions in New Jersey and then transfer patients to Maryland to complete the procedure.

Brigham would induce fetal death in his Voorhees clinic and would then surgically removed the fetuses at a clandestine clinic in Elkton, Maryland.

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  • fiona64

    What the anti-choice appear to be too dim-witted to understand is that Brigham and Gosnell are *their* creatures. Brigham and Gosnell are what happen when safe, legal abortion is made too difficult to obtain.

    • cjvg

      Exactly, when you force all the planned parenthood clinics (who all have a proven record of patient safety, even the anti-choicers have never been able to impugn) the women in need of reproductive services will be forced to go to whomever is still providing them.

      Somehow I don’t think that the thought of scores of women forced to seek out unqualified and dangerous providers is really all that troubling to them

      • Shan

        Just so. That’s how people like Gosnell and this Brigham were able to function so long, despite the repeated complaints against them. Pro-lifers don’t really care about the damage being done to actual real women who are having unsafe abortions until they can use them as excuses to shut down as many *legitimately* safe clinics as possible.

        • fiona64

          Pro-lifers don’t really care about the damage being done to actual realwomen who are having unsafe abortions until they can use them as excuses to shut down as many *legitimately* safe clinics as possible.

          Yep.

        • roccolore

          Abortion supporters are the real woman-haters who defend Gosnell.

          • goatini

            Never happened. No reproductive justice supporters ever defended criminal Gosnell.

          • roccolore

            Planned Parenthood and NARAL did.

          • fiona64

            Again, either a citation is needed or an admission that you’re a liar.

          • goatini

            He doesn’t have any proof.

          • MommyK1

            Please show us where the NARAL or PP decried the Gosnell incident? You will not; the media NOR the left will TOUCH it with the integrity it deserves; http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/liberal-commentator-the-media-made-a-decision-not-to-cover-gosnell-to-prote. What about Tiller? Brigham? Karpen? HHS Secy Sebelius was Gov when Tiller raked in his millions and falsified statistics. And under Gosnell; relative to the “reporting” failures; what party that exalts abortion on demand resided over the governance of that local? THE LEFT; http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/regional/s_725538.html#axzz3C9tl4Eyc; and finally how have ANY of them been held accountable? THEY haven’t….; http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/cityhall/Nutter-announces-three-major-administration-departures.html

          • fiona64

            Here you go, honey-ham. Several *years* worth of RHRC reporting on Gosnell and trying to get something done. http://rhrealitycheck.org/?s=gosnell&submit=Search

            What about Tiller and Karpen? Neither broke any laws; Operation Rescue trumped up charges against the latter and they were all dropped. Proof of your assertions re “falsified statistics,” from a neutral, mainstream source would be appreciated, BTW.

            As for Brigham: again, several years’ worth of reports. http://rhrealitycheck.org/?s=brigham&submit=Search

            No one “exalts” abortion, you silly creature. Unlike you, the pro-choice support *all* choices: contraception use or not, gestation or termination, parenting alone or with the partner of one’s choice, or adoption.

            You are all about *no choice.*

          • MommyK1

            Fiona “Who is going to get things done?” Your ugly ilk who suggests its the states fault? WHO runs these states? The same political party that says “choice” is abortion on demand. I am sorry you are more invested in 1 abortion every 90 seconds than the real choice – to think before you act and then respect life in all its forms. Choice requires truth and not one source you cite demands the TRUTH from those who allow these things to happen nor do they define what really drives the abortion numbers. Where are the “feminists” when these women are brutally murdered? What “accountability” does “feminism” demand? To blame those that shine a light on this horror which is the outcome of the abortion on demand crowd? NOTHING is regulated. Hide the real focus. Indeed. I am about “real choice”. Choose your actions wisely. If you want sex without consequences; PAY FOR IT. Don’t ask society to accept the lack of accountability that got you there; and then the lack of responsibility to deal with it. Abortion relieves ALL accountability. You “made a mistake?” No problem I can “get rid of it.” I can’t pay? No problem, Society MUST. 1 abortion every 90 seconds? What; that is’t rare? And obviously these monsters and the liberal municipalities that turn a blind eye don’t care. The Liberal Media won’t talk about it.. Targeted to the poor and minority neighborhoods for which the liberal ideal has failed? They are “undesirable”. That’s “your choice”. And call it what you want; the result is not “gestation”. It is Eugenics. You are a disgrace.

          • fiona64

            I am sorry you are more invested in 1 abortion every 90 seconds than
            the real choice – to think before you act and then respect life in all
            its forms.

            And I am sorry that you think you have the right to a) police women’s sexuality and b) make medical decisions for complete strangers. As for “respecting life in all its forms,” I must ask: are you vegan?

            Targeted to the poor and minority neighborhoods for which the liberal
            ideal has failed? They are “undesirable”. That’s “your choice”. And
            call it what you want; the result is not “gestation”. It is Eugenics.

            Now you’re just spewing absolute bullshit.

            You are a disgrace.

            It’s you who are the disgrace, madame. One day, your children will be embarrassed by your misogyny. I guarantee it.

          • Arekushieru

            Such a whitesplaining racist she is.

            And, here we go, again, either “keep your legs closed you dirty s!oot or be prepared to gestate against your will”. Gee, wonder why when they don’t present that option to men it’s called misogyny?

          • MommyK1

            Again, where s PP and NARAL halting these occurances; or demanding these public servants be fired? Silence. There’s “your choice”. Disgrace

          • fiona64

            You do realize that non-profit organizations have no governmental power, right? Right?

            Were you homeschooled by numbskulls or something, that you do not understand these things?

            You asked for proof that the pro-choice were trying to do something, and I provided it. Then, you moved the goalposts.

            Where is YOUR citation, dear?

            PS: Sorry that the only identity you think worth having is “mommy.” Most of us here are mothers, and most of us know that there is life beyond motherhood.

          • goatini

            Never happened. No reproductive justice supporters ever defended criminal Gosnell.

          • MommyK1

            They did NOTHING. Silence is JUST as damaging. AS we can see for the years he perpetrated his crimes against the poor; in a city run by the Democratic left who primarily run the education, the poverty programs, and the failure in these city governance, who push the policies that suggest first that there should be no moral discussion on the feel good anything goes mentality that results in abortion on demand; or hold any of the failures accountable.

          • Ramanusia

            Neither did your idiots, you did nothing to stop it either. Your silence on the matter was just as damaging. He serviced the desperate women who could not make it past your terrorist forces harassing other clinics they might have had access to, if all those obstacles you keep shoving in their way had not delayed their access. YOU drove those women to him, stop blaming the people who actually value education, promote programs that seek to alleviate poverty etc. and point the finger at yourselves who every day seek to reduce education and who cut off the funds for these people who are mired in poverty. You’re the ones screeching at them, you block anything that might help people, you have literally ZERO morals, no ethics and no clue about just how your insane politics harms people.

            You’re the one who has the “feels good” mentality, and it “feels good” for you to abuse people, harass them, cut off any sort of aid, blame them for their problems etc.

            What results in abortion is the lack of access to sex education, the lack of access to contraception, the lack of access to support structures, the lack of access to healthcare not tied to the job, basically literally your entire political platform.

            YOU are the failure that drove these women to Gosnell, and no matter what you do, you are damaging to women’s safety and their health. Hold yourself accountable for your massive failures. The blood is on your hands, open your eyes and see what you have wrought.

          • fiona64

            Abortion supporters are the real woman-haters who defend Gosnell.</i.

            One of two things is required here: a citation, or an admission that you're a goddamned liar. I will accept either.

          • prolifemama

            Hey, fiona – seems prolifers aren’t the only ones who recycle their comments. You left this exact same one for me just a couple of days ago.

          • fiona64

            That’s because you still haven’t either coughed up your sources or admitted that you’re a liar. ::shrug::

            You anti-choicers seem to make a habit of that kind of behavior. You know what the best way is to solve the problem?

            CITE YOUR SOURCE OR ADMIT THAT YOU’RE A LIAR.

          • MommyK1

            Choice? So, if a pregnant woman is murdered, her killer can be charged for two lives. The woman’s voice is stifled; she is dead. But if it happens in the abortion clinic; it is “reproductive rights”……and if you are not the mother or the child you have no voice. You have to pay for it if she can’t but you have no voice. Right. Got it…..stunning. And if you think the Pro choice cares about the million dollar industry……to stop it, you are full of it. These clinics had NO health inspections, hundreds of reports UNHEEDED, in a city run by liberal governance who are supported in their campaigns by the Pro choice movement…..utter lies from the choice crowd. here is a choice; think before you have sex. There is a choice for you. Think before you let some predator use you for a momentary pleasure…..Good grief.

          • fiona64

            OMG. It took me a while to parse your word salad.

            First of all, fetal homicide laws do NOT stand alone. They are special circumstances that can attach *only* if a pregnant woman is injured. Period.

            These clinics had NO health inspections, hundreds of reports UNHEEDED,

            Citations needed.

            There is a choice for you. Think before you let some predator use you for a momentary pleasure

            Don’t quit your day job to become one of Dionne Warwick’s psychic friends, you ignorant bint. I’m a monogamous, married *mother* whose wanted pregnancy nearly killed her. I will NOT assume that risk again; should my tubal ligation fail, there will be an abortion so fast that your idiotic head will spin right off.

          • MommyK1

            If you read my comment; here in Mass we had a husband who murdered his pregnant wife; and then blamed it on a black car jacker. The wife was “dead” which I believe means “injured” YOU IGNORANT BINT. Are you even a US citizen? Well, if you are concerned that your “options” for care in your circumstances; are demeaned because the abortion on demand crowd are waylaying the original; “keep abortions safe and rare” then perhaps you should address them not those that want to fix the out of control eugenics to which the Planned Parenthood founder suggests “must be weeded out of civil society”. Suggesting that a culture that firsts creates the idea of having NO responsibility or accountability under the “sexual revolution”, and then asks the taxpayer to fund the clean up crew to pay for; but comment not, then you sadly will reap what you sow. MAKE them safe AND RARE. And don’t suggest that the 1 abortion every 90 seconds is because of a tubal ligation or the health of the mom or even the result of reasonable thought. IT IS NOT. And don’t suggest that “reproductive rights” and abortion belong in the same sentence. Because the babies right, the heart beat, the beautiful life that possibly could cure “your wanted pregnancy” is being snuffed out; often in these clinics after they are born alive, because the “mother doesn’t want them”. In these cities where the clinics had no health inspections; reports unheeded, what party affiliation did the municipal worker; or mayor or governor hold? And you don’t have to worry about “my idiotic head spinning so fast”. Your twisting of the point of the discussion and the facts; appears to have done that far and away well enough, for you.

          • fiona64

            Well, obviously if a pregnant woman is dead, she has been injured. Good god, is there a point to this rant? The fetal homicide charge is a *special circumstance* Just. Like. I. Said.

            then perhaps you should address them not those that want to fix the out
            of control eugenics to which the Planned Parenthood founder suggests
            “must be weeded out of civil society”.

            I’m going out on a limb here and presuming that you have never read a single word Margaret Sanger wrote without it being edited by Liar Rose and her ilk. You might wish to start here: http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/

            Your twisting of the point of the discussion and the facts; appears to have done that far and away well enough, for you.

            One can only surmise that you were looking in the mirror when you wrote that. ::shrug::

          • Ramanusia

            I applaud your ability to make some sort of sense of that word salad.

          • fiona64

            She almost broke my brand new anti-choice-idiot-to-English decoder ring, but it still seems to be intact. For now.

          • Ramanusia

            You’re going to want to put some duct-tape on that. The new talking points seem to have something to do with projecting the crimes of the church onto the people seeking to protect people from the church. Some asinine nonsense of abusive people being quietly reassigned, you know like the pedophile priests, but somehow involving the HHS and shadowy governors.

          • Arekushieru

            “They are special circumstances that can attach *only* if a pregnant woman is injured. Period.”

            Exactly. In order for the fetus to be injured a woman will most often be injured herself, while it is being caused or as a result of the injury to the fetus. because pregnancy does put a woman in a more vulnerable state than not being pregnant.

          • goatini

            Challenging one lying liar is the same as challenging another lying liar.

          • prolifemama

            Right. Double standard okay for you, not for others.
            Got it, goatgirl.

          • Arekushieru

            Uh, seriously, was that necessary?

            Besides, she was responding to someone who was spewing the exact same propaganda that you spew. Why should her response change just because you guys can’t think up new material?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Everyone has provided proof for you. You’ve provided proof for absolutely no one.

          • goatini

            I had to laugh out loud at that one. Talk about someone who thinks a double standard is okay for HER and not for others. Get a life.

          • fiona64

            Laughable, since you never provide any sources …

          • StudentHealer

            When all anti-choice folks use the same idiotic “debate” tactics, we will not expend extra energy on new and entertaining take-downs of y’all’s crap. It’s much easier to say, “Hey, we’re gonna need either proof of your outlandish claims… or an admission that you’re just a lying fetus-fetishist who likes to see women die when they dare to behave as though they have full human rights.”

            The point still stands: cite your sources or admit you’re making it up. The fact that y’all can do *neither* is evidence of the latter, NOT the former, dearie.

          • Ramanusia

            There are no “abortion supporters” there are people who support safe, legal access to abortion, and then there are people who oppose safe, legal access to abortion, which means that women are forced to go to people like Gosnell and this guy. Thus, you are the real supporters of Gosnell, unsafe, illegal and dangerous procedures that only people who truly hate women could endorse.

            Women hating, and pro-back alley abortions? That’s your hallmark, it’s what you mean when claim you want to go to the pre-Roe days when women were dying in the back alleys.

          • roccolore

            Actually, you are the Gosnell supporters who rallied for him. You are the Gosnell supporter who thinks he is the victim. You are the Gosnell supporter who is pro-abortion.

          • goatini

            Wrong. Neither RHRC nor any defenders of reproductive justice ever supported criminal Gosnell. RHRC started reporting on Gosnell’s crimes in 2010. You know, 3 years before the fetus freaks started screaming “WHY IS NO ONE REPORTING ON THIS?!?!?!!!” RHRC has 14 pages of search results on articles on criminal Gosnell and his crimes, from 2010 to present. You’re lying and you can’t prove your lie.

          • Arekushieru

            Nope, only Gosnell and Bingham are Pro-Abortion. Anti-choice like you. NOT like us.

          • roccolore

            Gosnell is one of yours. Your side blamed everyone but Gosnell for his actions.

          • Arekushieru

            Nope, we have blamed every last one of the actions that occurred ON Gosnell. Until there was a huge public outcry, you so-called Pro-‘Lifers’ couldn’t care one WHIT about the poor, immigrant, refugee women of colour he killed. SFS.

          • roccolore

            Look up all those times NARAL and Planned Parenthood appeared on TV where they blamed everyone but the person responsible. That’s like blaming Martin Richard for the Boston Marathon bombing.

          • Arekushieru

            Citations please or it didn’t happen, SO sorry.

          • goatini

            Didn’t happen.

          • goatini

            I have no idea why you keep repeating this lying BS, unless you, like Karl Rove, believe that repeatedly catapulting the same lie over and over again somehow makes it “true”.

            Again: Wrong. Neither RHRC nor any defenders of reproductive justice ever supported criminal Gosnell. RHRC started reporting on Gosnell’s crimes in 2010. You know, 3 years before the fetus freaks started screaming “WHY IS NO ONE REPORTING ON THIS?!?!?!!!” RHRC has 14 pages of search results on articles on criminal Gosnell and his crimes, from 2010 to present. You’re lying and you can’t prove your lie.

          • Ramanusia

            Actually, I’m no such thing. And no one rallied for him that I know of, much less myself, so whatever voice in your head whispered that to you is a liar, as are you,

            I don’t think he’s a victim at all, I think he’s exactly what you “free market” types know will happen when you close down clinics, and that thrills you to do no end.

            It’s you and your inane anti-sex education, anti-contraceptive, anti-PlanB, pro-rape, pro-incest, pro-back alley self who is turning his back on this testament to the Anti-choice CON-bot platform, a man who made money on the desperation of women who had no other choices.

            You’re pro-death, and your poster child for pre-Roe, Dr. Gosnell is the face of what you wish to force upon women. You’re the one rallying for him with your tireless attempts to close down clinics, deny contraceptive coverage, deny women healthcare and violate women’s basic constitutional and human rights to bodily autonomy.

            When you’re such a death loving, back alley free market supporter Gosnell promoter, why do you keep accusing us of all the things you not only support but guarantee with your plots to violate women’s access to safe, legal healthcare?

            Why are you such a liar so out of touch with reality?

          • JamieHaman

            Not the case at all. As long as abortion, and access remain legal, and readily available as well as affordable there is no room or need for a Gosnell.
            When the cost is too high for rapid access, or the drive to far, or limits placed on viability that’s when the room for murderers like Gosnell becomes available.
            No sane person thinks Gosnell wss a victim. Nor is any sane person “pro-abortion.”
            People who are willing to see women die, lives derailed, and utterly obscene behavior at medical clinics have proven that the life of an unborn fetus is more important to them than the life of the mother, or her other children. Me, I’m convinced that those folks are not sane at all.

          • goatini

            Wrong. Neither RHRC nor any defenders of reproductive justice ever supported criminal Gosnell. RHRC started reporting on Gosnell’s crimes in 2010. You know, 3 years before the fetus freaks started screaming “WHY IS NO ONE REPORTING ON THIS?!?!?!!!” RHRC has 14 pages of search results on articles on criminal Gosnell and his crimes, from 2010 to present. You’re lying and you can’t prove your lie.

          • StudentHealer

            Pro-choice advocates have blown every whistle and raised every alarm to get Gosnell STOPPED since 2010. Specifically, RHRC has acted in ways that are in direct opposition to what you are saying they did. No matter how many times you say that people who were trying to shut him down were somehow “rallying” for him, you are NOT going to change the facts.

            I suppose I’m trying to understand why you persist in stating repeated lies as if they will magically become true. If you had any credibility, it’s gone now – you know that, right?

          • MommyK1

            Stunning intellect to suggest that Gosnell, Brigham, Karpen and Tiller and the likes; are the “fault” of pro choice when their existence is BECAUSE of abortion on demand. That is quite a twist. They operate; because THEY CAN. They do so, FOR PROFIT. And because the same thought process that demeans the woman as a sex object in the first place, if it feels good do it, the fake “feminism” pushed by the man who now has no concern for either free sex or no accountability for the outcome now wants to suggest that lack of safety is also the fault of morality. What a disgrace.

          • Ramanusia

            Were your intellect not so stunned, you might figure out that these people whose actions were unlawful and which violated medical standards are not anything about “abortion on demand” which an invented phrase used by the Anti-choicers and like most things you say, has no relationship to the truth of what the side you hate so much actually advocates for, facts do frighten you so. These people are where people turn to when safe, legal access to reproductive healthcare is blocked by terrorists who kill doctors, bomb clinics or pass legislation designed to violate common sense, sane medical practice and the Constitution. They’re where you go when you can’t get an appointment at a legal clinic, what happens when all those obstacles you keep throwing in women’s way forces them to wait longer than they wish to, in order to obtain an abortion.

            There is no twist in putting the illegal abortion providers together with the very people who make their practices thrive. The twist is in blaming those who seek to harm these greedy law breakers by drying up their patient pool.

            They operate because YOU MAKE THEIR PRACTICES LUCRATIVE. They do so because YOU MAKE IT PROFITABLE. You’re the ones whose “thought processes” makes women objects, not just for sexual purposes. Even livestock are treated better than you treat women.

            Feminism has literally nothing to do with your obsession with “free sex” it actually promotes accountability. There is no lack of safety in safe, legal reproductive care, that comes when you shut all of that down while screeching about “morality” as you applaud death, murder and terrorism. You are indeed a disgrace and were your intellect not so badly stunned, and actually functioning, you might realize that what you do is not moral, it’s not ethical, it’s not honest, and it’s not about respecting women, or caring for their health, it’s fake concern for life that promotes and applauds death.

            You truly are at fault, you are a disgrace and it would behoove you well to stop lying and pretending you have any concern for life, for morality or for the welfare of women, you may fool yourself and other with failing intellects, but the rest of the world sees you for the pro-death hypocrites you truly are.

    • bnuckols

      Gosnell was virtually unregulated by the State of Pennsylvania and definitely not practicing to even a minimal standard of care. Show me the law – other than basic medical licensing laws for physicians in the state – that influenced Bingham or Gosnell to perform the acts for which they were prosecuted.

      • fiona64

        Is anyone this great a simpleton? When restrictive TRAP laws make access difficult to impossible, do you really think that women will NOT seek abortion? How naive.

        Bingham and Gosnell were able to function as they did *because* of those TRAP laws. Just as during the 70 or so years that abortion was illegal in this country, women endanger themselves going to unsafe practitioners.

        BTW, it was the *pro-choice* who were complaining about their actions; RHRC has been reporting on Gosnell since 2010.

        • roccolore

          The pro-abortionists were defending Kermit Gosnell.

          • goatini

            Proof or it’s BS. You won’t be able to prove it.

          • fiona64

            First of all, there are no “pro-abortionists.” The pro-choice have been reporting on Gosnell and his actions for nearly five years now, including RHRC.

            Gosnell is YOUR creature, roccolore. You anti-choicers want an environment where safe, legal abortion is difficult or impossible to procure? Well, congratulations; you create Kermit Gosnell. Why? Because women will STILL seek abortions, whether you like it or not.

          • bnuckols

            Again, Gosnell wasn’t regulated or inspected for years. The State had stopped enforcing abortion regulations. Bingham was killing the fetus in one State then removing the dead body in another, not because of “TRAP” laws, but because of regulations on late term abortions.

          • Shan

            “Again, Gosnell wasn’t regulated or inspected for years.”

            Again, Gosnell WAS regulated via very strict state laws but you’re actually right in that he was NOT inspected. But the lack of inspection was NOT because there were not multiple complaints against him for decades about the appalling conditions and the, oh, WOMEN he injured and killed. It was because his clinic operated in a poor area of town that served low-income immigrant women and nobody in authority apparently gave a damn about what happened to them. You know what they DID give a damn about? Drugs. Gosnell got busted because of DRUGS complaints instead. How screwed up is that?

            “Bingham was killing the fetus in one State then removing the dead body
            in another, not because of “TRAP” laws, but because of regulations on
            late term abortions”

            Yeah, and what do you think would cut down on the number of women seeking late term abortions where they have to go to people like Bingham who know how to work around skeevy 20wk state law bans like that?

          • bnuckols

            Gosnell and Bingham were prosecuted because they illegally performed abortions after 6 months gestation. Both also performed earlier abortions. Gosnell was convicted because he and unlicensed staff cut the spinal cord at the necks of living infants. Bingham because he circumvented late term abortion laws – again, after 6 months.

          • Shan

            Yes, I know why they were prosecuted.

            And you forgot about the WOMAN Gosnell killed. He was convicted of that as well.

          • Arekushieru

            Yeah, cutting the spinal cord at the necks of living infants is infanticide not Pro-Choice. Sorry to burst your little fantasy bubble, there.

          • fiona64

            Again, you lie. Not one true word in this post.

            Pro-tip: LieSiteSpews is not a good source for actual facts.

          • bnuckols
          • fiona64

            Your claim was that pro-choicers supported Gosnell. Neither of your sources say that. However, I have 14 pages of sources, already provided, that say that pro-choices were trying to have Gosnell *stopped.*

            Sucks to be you, doesn’t it?

          • bnuckols

            You’re confused: I made no such claim. I’ve asked which pro-life laws (“TRAP ” laws) resulted in the crimes Gosnell and Bingham committed.

          • fiona64

            I’ve asked which pro-life laws (“TRAP ” laws) resulted in the crimes Gosnell and Bingham committed.

            No, you said that “pro-aborts” supported Gosnell and Bingham.

            TRAP laws are not “pro-life.” They are medically unnecessary barriers to care.

            If you are too stupid to understand how denying access to safe, legal care causes women to seek unsafe care, there’s nothing I can do for you.

          • Shan

            “TRAP laws are not “pro-life.” They are medically unnecessary barriers to care.”

            They make it more expensive and logistically difficult so they go to people like Gosnell who BLATANTLY DO NOT COMPLY with those laws.

            It’s not rocket science. These laws are doing exactly what they’re meant to do: closing legitimately safe clinics and making it harder for women to find one. SO THEY GO TO THE GOSNELLS.

            Sorry for shouting but Jesus HMS Christ.

          • bnuckols

            You’re confusing two conversations.

          • Shan

            The conversations are inextricably linked and have been for DECADES.

          • fiona64

            I suppose that it’s possible. The point remains, however, that TRAP laws are what allow people like Gosnell to flourish. If you cannot understand how that is, despite it being explained clearly and repeatedly, I cannot help you.

          • lady_black

            Apparently, for a period of time in PA, who was getting high was considered more politically important than the health of poor women.

          • catseye

            I think you must have meant that reply for “roccolore”.

          • fiona64

            Yep. Damn Disqus …

          • MommyK1

            What did they do? NOTHING. Sucks to be you.

          • fiona64

            Sorry that you’re unable to understand the sources put before you. I understand that people with reading comprehension problems are helped by a game called “Hooked on Phonics.” You may wish to look into that.

          • fiona64

            Citations already provided that prove you wrong. You might want to wipe the spittle off your chin, sweetie; you’re foaming at the mouth.

          • Ramanusia

            What did you do? NOTHING. Sucks to be you, you little hypocrite. Why were you not arranged around this clinic? Why were you not threatening his workers? Why no one parked on his doorstep?

            Really dropped the ball here, didn’t you.

            It really must suck to be you. You have a whole terrorist group at your disposal and a well funded church behind you, but you just couldn’t be bothered with protesting what was going on at your poster boy’s clinic, could you? No, you were busy blocking women’s access at the legal clinics that met all medical standards, which of course drove up traffic to your man Gosnell.

          • bnuckols

            And The Atlantic quotes the Grand Jury indictment, which reported that the State of Pennsylvania stopped inspections, “for political reasons,” http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/why-dr-kermit-gosnells-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/

          • fiona64

            Here you go, sweetie: several *years* worth of pro-choicers reporting on the conditions at Gosnell’s clinic and trying to have something done about it. http://rhrealitycheck.org/?s=gosnell&submit=Search

            You’re welcome. Idiot.

          • MommyK1

            What political party who benefits most from the abortion on demand crowd; the “choicers” are in charge in these states where these atrocities occurred; and went unchecked for years? What party promotes the cradle to grave entitlements to the people served by them, the profiles in poverty to fix but never resolve, that demeans the family structure, heralds sexuality in education to the youth, and then blames those who shed the light on the failure? DEMOCRATS.

          • fiona64

            Oh, sweetie. You’re a funny little raving loon, I’ll give you that.

            heralds sexuality in education to the youth

            Comprehensive sex education means fewer abortions.

            that demeans the family structure

            What are you raving about here?

            he profiles in poverty to fix but never resolve

            What are you raving about here?

            cradle to grave entitlements to the people served by them

            What are you raving about here?

          • fiona64

            Oh, sweetie. You’re a funny little raving loon, I’ll give you that.

            heralds sexuality in education to the youth

            Comprehensive sex education means fewer abortions.

            that demeans the family structure

            What are you raving about here?

            he profiles in poverty to fix but never resolve

            What are you raving about here?

            cradle to grave entitlements to the people served by them

            What are you raving about here?

          • Ramanusia

            Given that “abortion on demand” is a slogan of the GOP, there is your answer. There is no such thing as a “choicer”, unless you mean someone who follows the rules of the Constitution and the rule of law?

            Which party benefits most from the entitlements, why it’s the one that controls the Red states! Hmm, what entitlements are these? The ones put forth by the Republican party way back when?

            Which party promotes poverty, and balks at fixing or resolving anything? Which party demeans the family structure with every point, which promotes FAILED abstinence only education, while ignoring both the STD costs and unplanned pregnancies that arise from this program of utter ignorance? Who buries their head in their rear ends and blames the other party for their own destructive policies, why it’s you CONs of the GOP.

            You’re truly a failure and the states you control and the women who are suffering prove this undeniable fact.

          • MommyK1

            Prove one false mention. You cannot; you spew “you lie” as often as you lie. Can’t even recognize the truth….what a disgrace.

          • fiona64

            LieSiteSpews is a politically motivated anti-choice site. Liar Rose’s videos have been proven to be fakes repeatedly. It really is no one’s fault but your own that you don’t know how to evaluate sources for bias.

          • Ramanusia

            You are a disgrace, and you can’t recognize the truth, not can you produce anything that isn’t literally based on a lie.

            Here is a clue: when a website is based entirely on a political position and is filled with things that have no citations or are cited by people who have not the literacy to understand what the primary documents are saying, you’re not dealing with the truth.

            You’re lying, you’re spewing and your using a source known for it’s disgraceful lack of truth and facts to support the propaganda you’ve been fed, and aren’t either intelligent or educated enough to recognize as the lies they are.

          • StudentHealer

            I think I’m getting why fiona is laughing. Y’know, K1… just because you close your eyes every time you see someone cite a source, it doesn’t make the source not exist. Let me guess… when you play hide ‘n’ seek, you cover your eyes because “If I can’t see them, they can’t see me!”

            The truth is that we (pro-choice advocates) believe that a woman of reproductive age has bodily autonomy and therefore she also has rights which allow her to say, “No, a bundle of less than 100 cells cannot use my bodily resources to develop itself. I do not consent to that.”

            You do not believe that truth exists. I mean, you not believing it does not make it less true, but that’s the long and short of it. But the odds are that some day, either you or someone you know is going to need to exercise those rights – the reason does not matter. When that happens, you’ll remember your cold and unfeeling words here at RHRC… and you’ll feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit, in the form of guilt that you tried to oppress half the population by attempting to shame them out of believing that they have rights.

          • MommyK1

            “Again you lie”? hilarious. The line should read “You do not agree with my lies so you are a liar”…..

          • fiona64

            At this point, I’m just laughing at you. Really, I am.

          • Ramanusia

            No, that’s your take on things. Why do you lie so much, do you not have any actual facts on which you can rest your rants?

          • MommyK1

            Again what party runs these municipalities? The same party that Planned Parenthood, NARAL support with hundreds of millions of campaign contributions to elect; and the same party in turn; funnel fed funding and state funding to their existence and then let them run amok by turning a blind eye in their meeting any standard. It is hardly “Pro Life” at the root of these things.

          • fiona64

            the same party in turn; funnel fed funding and state funding to their existence

            The Hyde Amendment precludes any Federal tax dollars from being used for abortions.

            let them run amok by turning a blind eye in their meeting any standard

            Citation needed.

          • MommyK1

            The Hyde Amendment was of no consequence when the HHS; an unelected and regulatory board that under Pres O consistently subverted the Constitution AND the public trust and already legislated law; to include the mandate for coverage. Read the ACA. Don’t get out much; do you? What “law”, what “amendment” is respected? How about the caveat that Baucus would not VOTE for the ACA if abortion was mandated? He was bribed, he voted, and then HHS went to work adding back in the provision. LOON. A citation isn’t going to help those who blindly believe.

          • fiona64

            Citations needed. For all of it. Thanks in advance.

            And why do I ask for citations? Because, unlike you, I will NOT “blindly believe.” Frankly, anti-choicers lie like cheap rugs. So, I want to see your source for every single assertion you’ve made here.

          • Ramanusia

            Citation please.

          • fiona64

            the same party in turn; funnel fed funding and state funding to their existence

            The Hyde Amendment precludes any Federal tax dollars from being used for abortions.

            let them run amok by turning a blind eye in their meeting any standard

            Citation needed.

          • Ramanusia

            Please provide your citations backing up your statements.

          • roccolore

            Wrong, Democrat. You were the ones defending Gosnell. You were the ones advocating to keep abortion mills open. You are the one who continues to make Gosnell the victim.

          • goatini

            Wrong. RHRC started reporting on Gosnell’s crimes in 2010.

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2010/02/24/roundup-everyone-deserves-safe-medical-care/

            Criminal Gosnell was not a provider of safe, legal pregnancy terminations.

          • Arekushieru

            YOU are the ones advocating to keep kill mills open, meaning Crisis Pregnancy Centers. You DO realize that Ob/Gyns, the ones who handle pregnancy, childbirth and delivery, are also the ones who perform abortions. So, if you are referring to Planned Parenthood when it comes to ‘abortion mills’, then you must not ever let the female members of your family seek out treatment from an obstetrician/gynecologist, because not only do you provide the ob/gyns that operate under the auspices of Planned Parenthood, with a more lucrative service that can then enable them to facilitate the abortion services they DO provide, but, as you label Planned Parenthood, you must also label obstetricians/gynecologists, by only associating them with the far less lucrative service they provide, therefore making them abortion providers any time, ALL the time, no matter WHAT they do. Oops.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Nope. It was prochoice Republican Governor Tom Ridge who ended inspections.

          • fiona64

            I don’t know what you’re smoking, Rocco, but you really need to bring enough for the entire class if you want us to share your delusions.

          • Ramanusia

            No such thing as a “pro-abortionist” and no one was defending Kermitt Gosnell, but you and your fellow pro-death in the backalley champions have been defending pretty much every law that allows the Gosnells of the world to thrive. You were also pretty much cheering on the death and suffering of any woman desperate enough to go him.

            Thus the pro-dangerous-unsafe-abortion-out-of-desperation contingent is promoting the Gosnells of the world with your repeated unconstitutional attacks on safe, legal abortion.

            You Antis really need to stop pretending that Gosnell is not your creation and your hope for the future.

          • MommyK1

            Please tell us WHEN the last time someone “died in the back alley” because they COULDN’T get an abortion and please contrast that to those who are harmed; killed and maimed BECAUSE of safe, legal and rare abortions? Please tell us about the countless hundreds of PP clinics that manipulate and cook the statistics; don’t report rape and sexual abuse OR push out women who experience cervical tears, bleeding or other medical emergencies regularly reported by those who pay attention but NEVER the main media because, run by the left; they do not want to have the discussion? Further; these liberal state havens where these travesties occur; those in charge of the regulatory offices, the HHS depts. of those states; quietly get “reassigned”. Do they go to prison? NO.

          • fiona64

            Once again, citations needed for every assertion you’ve made. Thanks in advance.

          • Ramanusia

            Well, there was Savita Halappanavar who died in a hospital bed because she COULDN’T get an abortion, Becky Bell, the woman who died at your boy Gosnell’s hands?

            Well, who was maimed, killed or harmed by safe, legal abortions? Why don’t you tell us of these people you claim exist, and contrast that to the women who are MAIMED, KILLED and HARMED by pregnancy.

            Please tell us of this proof you have that any PP clinic manipulated or cooked a single statistic, show us where rape or sexual abuse was NOT reported, or where any woman was “pushed out” experiencing any of the things you claim?

            Who are these people who pay attention to these imaginary things you’ve pulled out of your rear. Given that there are many media outlets firmly within the echochamber of idiotic lies you live in, why aren’t they covering your imaginary propaganda points? What discussion would you like to have, and what evidence can you bring to prove your points>

            Sweetie, the only people quietly getting reassigned are those overlords of pedophilia and sexual abuse who feed you these silly things to say as they violate you and your children, while sucking up billions of taxpayer dollars so that they may continue to traffick children. Do any of your priests go to prison? No. How about your politicians with their child porn, their CONservative promotion of rape and their blaming of rape victims?

            There is no such thing as a “liberal” media, there is no such “liberal haven” no such actions taken by any “liberals”, no one getting reassigned, no women being “pushed out” anywhere, no women dying or being maimed by safe legal abortion.

            Women are however dying every single day, 800 from pregnancy, 13% of which is entirely due to unsafe abortion where idiots like you let your fears and the your lies kill and maim women because you’re just too stupid to understand who is lying to you and why, and just how little they care about women and women’s health. Those trying to ensure women access to care are not their enemies, those trying to sever access to care and lying their rears off about it, and the consequences of their actions do not. You and your pedophilia loving, propaganda producing priests and politicians are the ones with blood on your hands.

            Open your eyes and deal with that fact. The women who actually die have names , they have families and every one of them wishes that you all roast in the hell of your dreams for your murderous actions and your blatant lies.

          • lady_black

            So that translates to “nobody was defending Gosnell” because there is no such thing as a pro-abortionist.

        • bnuckols

          Which laws enabled them?

          • Shan

            It’s not the laws (or the lack thereof) that enabled them. There were PLENTY of laws in place where Gosnell practiced. But if nobody gives a damn about upholding them the laws don’t matter.

          • Arekushieru

            She already informed you.

          • bnuckols

            No, she names a political term for a classification of groups of laws. In fact, Pennsylvania stopped inspections of abortion clinics “for political reasons. ” http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/why-dr-kermit-gosnells-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/

          • Dez

            No it’s because like “pro-lifers”, politicians do not give a damn about poor women of color. If this had been rich white women being victimized, Gosnell would have been stopped years ago. “Pro-lifers” fake concern over poor WOC is to further take away their reproductive rights and thus create more Gosnell clinics. By shutting down legitimate clinics by comparing then to a clearly unsafe clinic is a serious disservice to poor WOC who will have no where else to go but back to Gosnell type clinics. Where’s your concern over them?

          • MommyK1

            Yes, the liberal left whose heroes like Margaret Sanger who suggests “Civil society must weed out the undesirables” certainly “give a damn” about “poor women of color”…..that is why abortion in these precinct has seen a decrease of blacks from 20% at the turn of the century to 13% today. Meanwhile their policies (look to the 50’s when the black family was intact) and leaders like MLK explained that each person and their family are through faith, education and personal accountability can overcome; but the new radical; the Jessie Jacksons, the Louis Farrahkans and Al Sharptons grift grievance. Look at Booker T Washington vs these leaders. “Concern” my ass. A return to the plantation of the new slavery – POLICY – the direct result of every liberal progressive socialist policy that on one hand DEMANDS abortion and free “choice” but then corrals the less fortunate towards the solutions of their choice – abortion. Yeah, EXCELLENT concern. And these “mills” wouldn’t be shut down if they were not responsible for misrepresentation of Federal funds, manipulation of statistics and hiding rape and abuse; and funneling hundreds of MILLIONS into the election process to lobby their cause by the same that are responsible for the policies of poverty, failed education and the stewardship of MOST OF THESE URBAN cities that are failing these minorities….

          • Arekushieru

            Sorry, but can you stop regurgitating bullshit propaganda. Margaret Sanger, unlike you people, was ANTI-ABORTION. When she was talking about the ‘undesirables’ she was referring to lifting children out of EXTREME poverty by providing free birth control to black women who would not otherwise be able to access it, thereby limiting the number of children they had and being able to care for the ones they DID have. Oops?

            Sorry, but either you think black women are ‘stupider’ than their white counterparts, you don’t think black women deserve the same rights as everyone else OR you think black women are committing genocide against other black people, because it is BLACK WOMEN who decide to terminate their pregnancies. I’m sure they really don’t care what a whitesplainer has to say to them about providing more babies for the white saviour classists to feel good about themselves while pimping further misery for the black women with children living in poverty.

            In fact, you’ve already been whitesplaining to a black woman (Dez) how she is experiencing racist and classism.

            MLK and other black leaders of the time wrote letters of thanks and encouragement to Ms. Sanger. Sorry.

            No, YOU want to return women to the days of slavery. Just that this time it will be more than black women but ALL women. Read up on the history of white slave-owners FFS. They were FORCED BIRTH, just like you, for a reason.

            Nope, the reason women are ‘corralled’ (glad you used this phrase because it exposes you for what you really are) is because access to abortion is RESTRICTED. How can laws that restrict abortion providers more than any other MORE RISKY surgery, mean that women will be able to access those same clinics with as much ease as they earlier did? Or do you think that abortion being illegal will make it stop? Sorry to disappoint, but countries like El Salvador, Ireland, etc, etc… prove you very wrong. All it means is that more women will die just like one woman did at the hands of the Gosnell butcher.

            YOUR ilk are the ones who cut stable funding at the POLITICAL level for social programs like TANF, SNAP, supports for pregnant women and WIC and REFUSED to sign the acts that guaranteed equal pay for women and non-discrimination against pregnant women. So, are THESE the entitlements you’re talking about? Oh, I see. Only a fetus deserves a right to life. Not poor women, not black women, not pregnant women (which kinda defeats the purpose of a right to life for a FETUS), not ANY women, ever.

            So, when Planned Parenthood didn’t report a rape or abuse to the courts, they were failing the rape/victim of abuse by not putting her in danger of being raped or abused, AGAIN? Wow. So fucking compassionate you people are.

            Sorry failed education? As Fiona said, comprehensive sex ed reduces rates of unplanned pregnancy. So does proper contraceptive use.

            As I’ve proven above it is YOUR ilk that is responsible for the failed policies of poverty and for minorities. But, of course, your claims that Pro-Choice isn’t taking responsibility is just a smokescreen for your OWN inability to take responsibility for your OWN actions, as usual.

          • Ramanusia

            The always wrong Right has made up a bunch of things Margaret Sanger said to pretend that what she advocated was something very different than what her life and her work and her words indicate.

            Um, you’re taking random numbers from a century ago and concluding abortion? Because black people live in a closed environment in this precinct? They aren’t allowed to move in a century for the same reasons that white people do? Or is it just that you think they should stay in their “precincts” and not be allowed the same rights as white citizens?

            You think your racist notions show ‘concern’? Sweetie the new slavery is the one you’re foaming at the mouth trying to force onto women of color and otherwise, by taking away their bodily autonomy just like your great-granddaddy did when he raped his slaves, forced them to breed and sold off your distant cousins as the livestock that you still think they are.

            Gee, allowing someone to choose freely is somehow forcing something on them? Do words have meaning to you, or are you just too brain damaged to tell the difference?

            There aren’t any mills, and there is no proof whatsoever that federal funds were being misused, and NUMEROUS audits keep showing that there is no manipulation, no hiding of rape (what exactly would pp get out of concealing rape for goodness sake?) or abuse. PP is allowed to legally lobby, unlike your church which takes BILLIONS and violates tax laws by lobbying, preaching from the pulpit and trying to violate the constitution.

            Sorry, but you can’t blame poverty, mass migration of over century and whatever idiotic things the voices in your heard or the priests you service have deposited in you to spew out for the things that your party is also rather responsible for.

            We get it, you hate black people, you wish to blame them for everything, you really hate that they see through the racism of your party and refuse to support you since they aren’t as stupid as the poor white people who vote against their best interests, but it’s you and your fellow KKKlansmen who are failing the country as a whole. The KKK by the way shared your opinions on women’s ability to choose for themselves, Sanger tried to convince them to support women’s reproductive freedom. All this time later, and your white folks are still abusing black people, blaming them and lying about them.

            If you have citations to back up any of the things you keep repeating and keep getting pilloried for, POST them, failing to do so confirms you as deeply deluded liar.

          • Dez

            Yeah liberals are terrible because they actually think black women can make the best decision for themselves. sarc. Unlike you who do not trust black women and apparently think we are such morons that we can be brainwashed by Sanger and clinics that perform abortions. Yup there is no way black women are intelligent persons according to you. We are so stupid we need people like you to set us straight. Do you not understand how insulting and degrading you are to black women or do you just not care? But please go on and lecture black women on our own minds and bodies since we are incapable of doing it for ourselves.

          • StudentHealer

            MommyK1, I’m here to collect you, in a sense. It’s my responsibility as a white person who does not suck to call you out for your racism here.

            You’ve got to swallow your pride and back the hell off of Dez, and you need to do it right now (ideally, you should have done that the first time someone told you to stop white-splaining to a Woman of Color here, but better late than never). We cannot begin to fathom what the United States is like from the point of view of a Person of Color. You must cease pretending that you know sweet f*** all about it, Honey. When you enter that imaginary world of false equality, you engage in racist behavior. Stop talking about the lives of People of Color as though you understand – you are woefully lacking in that area, so stop pretending.

            You can spew your anti-choice rhetoric all over the place here – we are well equipped to put you in your place. Your white privilege that you refuse to check, on the other hand, is offensive and hurtful and makes you look like you’re really just an uncaring, unkind person. Dez has tried to get you to shut up (and I’m sure at least one or two other posters here have, also) and you won’t, probably because she’s a Woman of Color and you think less of her mental capacity because of that. Maybe in your racism, you’ll listen to me, a fellow white person…

            If you cannot check your white privilege and speak to the People of Color here with respect and humility, you need to go away. Hopefully, some moderators will come through here and delete your racist posts. Till then… your idiocy and abject unwillingness to treat other women as though they are fully human does not intimidate me. I’ll be around RHRC, calling you out if necessary, for your racist behavior until you cease and desist.

          • Arekushieru

            So laws requiring admitting privileges are a classification of a group of laws? Okay, then…. It was these laws (among others, but Fiona already named some for ya, so she already informed you) and lack of enforcement of health regulation laws that enabled them. Kthx.

          • MommyK1

            AREK “who is not enforcing the health regulations”? Is Nutter responsible? How about Shwarz? How about Ed Rendell? ALL DEM lawmakers. WHO is NOT enforcing such “laws”?

          • Arekushieru

            Um, you can figure that out by reading the other responses. Also, we are not talking about the current time frame which should have been obvious.

          • MommyK1

            No of course do not discuss the current time frame from 2003-11 when Democrats ran the mayor or Governorships or the Dept of Health or any of the agencies that claim they are caring for the health and humans but to which ANYTHING BUT, results. And when accountability comes knocking; it is the ones SHINING THE LIGHT; not the ones DOING the horrendous acts.

          • Arekushieru

            Ah, I thought it was 2014 but whatevs. But you DO realize that Pennsylvania where Gosnell operated the home base of his clinics had the highest number of abortion restrictions? Not much the mayor, the ‘Governorships’ or the Dept of Health could do about that. Brigham’s situation was probably much the same. And, AS we have been saying it is Pro-CHOICE organizations who have been reporting on these clinics for years before the fetus freaks came along. But no one cared that it was poor young women of immigrant status who were being forced into such unclean and unsanitary conditions. So, if you want us to take responsibility over the lack of action by Dems why don’t YOU people take responsibility for the high number of restrictions you imposed and your lack of reporting on it until it became too big of a deal for you guys to keep under wraps? Yeah, like you said, you guys (the ones doing the horrendous acts) will always refuse to take responsibility for it and blame it on the Pro-Choice (the ones shining the light).

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Reports state that state officials had failed to visit or inspect Gosnell’s practices since 1993. The grand jury report noted that the medical examiner of Delaware County alerted the Pennsylvania Department of Health that Gosnell had performed an illegal abortion on a 14-year-old who was thirty weeks pregnant; it is also claimed the Pennsylvania Department of Health did not act when they became aware of Gosnell’s involvement in the death of Karnamaya Mongar.

            Brenda Green, executive director of CHOICE, a nonprofit that connects the underinsured and uninsured with health services, told Katha Pollitt of The Nation that “it tried to report complaints from clients, but the department wouldn’t accept them from a third party. Instead, the patients had to fill out a daunting five-page form, available only in English, that required them to reveal their identities upfront and be available to testify in Harrisburg. Even with CHOICE staffers there to help, only two women agreed to fill out the form, and both decided not to submit it. The Department of State and the Philadelphia Public Health Department also had ample warning of dire conditions and took no action.”

            In 2011, it was reported that none of Pennsylvania’s 22 abortion clinics had been inspected by the government for more than 15 years. Inspections (other than those triggered by complaints) had ceased under Ridge’s governorship, as they were perceived to create a barrier to women seeking abortion services.

          • fiona64

            Again, I must ask: are you really this great of a simpleton?

            When safe, legal abortion access is not available, women will still seek abortions regardless. Why is this so difficult to understand? Shutting down safe, legal clinics means that people like Gosnell can flourish.

            And yes, dumbass, despite your protestations, the pro-choice were trying to have Gosnell prosecuted for *years.* You can read the back issues of this website for numerous examples by putting “Gosnell” into the search bar.

            As for Karpen, the other big bogeyman for you anti-choice loons, there was no evidence to support the “charges” against him and the case was dismissed.

          • MommyK1

            Fiona Yes “pro choicers” were “trying” to persecute Gosnell “for years”…..lol. Yet didn’t. Why is that? Just as successful as trying to assert that abortion on demand 1 every 90 seconds is somehow “rare”. Or that these women were seeking “safe” late term abortions when the law defines the requirements that 80% of Americans support.

          • Arekushieru

            Uh, do you think Pro-Choice, as a movement, can automatically prosecute anyone under the law just like that? How IGNORANT do you have to be to believe that?

            How are we asserting that abortion on demand is rare? And, most abortions are early-term abortions. Late-term abortions are done for medical reasons. Also, YOU are the ones that made late-term abortion more risky but I bet you won’t take responsibility for that, either. By banning ID & X, of course.

          • fiona64

            Two things: first, learn the difference between persecute and prosecute.

            Second, citations needed for the rest of your assertions.

          • MommyK1

            In Pittsburg alone abortion clinics. How is this an example of “shutting down safe, legal clinics”? How does this make Gosnell flourish? It does’n’t – only in the NONSENSE propaganda of your mind. NONE of your articles address the accountability of the municipalities run by these liberal loons who take the money from the abortion on demanders; and then through their affiliates, hide the rape, sex abuse, under age behaviors from parents and those who COULD protect and should, and hold NONE accountable and then call liars those who expose the failure?

          • fiona64

            Once again, citations are needed for your claims.

          • Arekushieru

            How does Pittsburgh having clinics equal having access? Or are you going to expose your people’s LIES that Planned Parenthood is situated predominantly in black neighbourhoods?

      • Dez

        What did you expect to happen when “pro-lifers” closed the safe clinics with the TRAP laws? Women weren’t going to stop getting abortions. They just went to Gosnell type clinics that ignored the laws. There was a need for abortions. Whether the clinics were regulated or not doesn’t matter to women who want one. Your decision is whether you want a woman to have an abortion in a safe or unsafe clinic. The TRAP gets rid of the safe ones and the unsafe ones are the only ones left. Blame “pro-lifers” for this because without them Gosnell would not have existed. If there were ample and affordable clinics around then there would not be a market for Gosnell’s service. I think you are one of those silly people that think that if there are no clinics that perform abortions, women won’t have them. That alone shows you know nothing about women and the strong desire to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Nothing in this world will stop a woman from aborting.

        • MommyK1

          Could it be that there are too many abortions to allow them to be “safe or rare”>….? The very reason for R v Wade? Could it be that women are being demeaned before, during and after the act? No focus on the “feel good do it” crowd that creates this “need for more clinics”……Can’t get any more simpler than that; no “sources need citing” its a simple math problem that is created by “demand”…..who is demanding these women “have sex”?

          • fiona64

            no “sources need citing”

            Which can only mean you have none …

            who is demanding these women “have sex”?

            There it is: the bottom line of the anti-choicer: “You sluts should just keep your legs together if you don’t want a baby.”

            And yet you all try to pretend that this is NOT about policing women’s sexuality. What a joke you all are.

          • Arekushieru

            No, the ones that create the greater need are people like you who oppose contraception and comprehensive sex ed.

      • Shan

        Pennsylvania had some pretty strict regulation during the time Gosnell was getting away with his barbarism. But there’s no point in having such regulations if there is no OVERSIGHT. And that’s exactly what you do NOT get when abortion is illegal or when it’s so hard to get that it might as well be illegal.

        • bnuckols

          Exactly: the grand jury said that the Pennsylvania Health Department stopped all inspections of all -all, not just those in poor neighborhoods – abortion businesses in 1993.. Gosnell ‘s license for the clinic expired years before he was indicted. NAF inspected the business, denied membership, but did not report their findings. He was charged with Medicaid fraud, but not illegal abortions. This was pure politics. http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/why-dr-kermit-gosnells-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/

          • Shan

            Yes, I don’t disagree with you on that. I read the grand jury report as well.

          • Arekushieru

            And that was our point. It was Pro-‘Life’ politics that kept inspections from occurring plus a little help from the fellow physicians of these murderers.

            Also, there are no abortion ‘businesses’. Considering that not all Planned Parenthood’s provide abortion services, and that it is only three percent of their services when they do provide them, it’s impossible for them to be an ‘abortion business’.

          • MommyK1

            It is not “Pro Lifers” that run the government agencies in Pittsburg; it is DEMOCRATS who push “choice”.

    • roccolore

      You pro-abortionists are dimwitted for defending Kermit Gosnell and Douglas Karpen.

      • fiona64

        I’m looking around to see where any pro-choice individual is defending Kermit Gosnell and Douglas Karpen, and seeing nothing.

        I do see an anti-choice dumbfuck calling itself roccolore, though.

        • Ramanusia

          Douglas Karpen was found to not have committed any wrongdoing and Operation Rescue was once again found to be lying liars who lie a lot (like the rest of their anti-choice contingent.)

          This little troll seems not have been informed of that little fact by whomever writes the stupid things they cut and paste.

          • bnuckols
          • Ramanusia

            Until the people who determine the standard of care (his fellow physicians) reported that he was doing otherwise.

            Where is your link that this physician was doing anything that was harmful, illegal, unethical or violated the standard of care?

            I mean other than Operation Abuse Women and Doctors at every opportunity and with no evidence, despite blatant criminal activity, of course.

            Where is the evidence that anyone who had the slightest clue what was going on suggested that Karpen was doing anything wrong?

            I will await your citation.

          • bnuckols

            There’s a link in the post above.

          • Ramanusia

            I seemed to have missed any mention of the physician I was speaking of, Dr. Karpen? Who other than Operation Lie has made accusations and where is the citation that supports the claim that anyone with credibility or standing has made any such claim? Your link is all about some other guy whose colleagues were complaining.

          • roccolore

            You abortion supporters are the woman-haters.

          • goatini

            The gestational slavers, such as yourself, are the woman-haters.

          • roccolore

            You Democrats are the woman-haters who think women should only think with their “lady parts.”

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thank you, dear merciful God, for forty years and counting of safe and legal medical abortion and contraception.

          • roccolore

            You cannot be Christian and pro-abortion.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yes I can. Stop pretending that all Christians and religious folk are opposed to abortion. That is a stone lie. Lying is a sin.

          • Arekushieru

            If anything, the Bible is pro-abortion. Which is not the same as Pro-Choice. Good thing I don’t read the bible. Also Christian.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Really? I am Christian. I am pro birth for any woman who wants to give birth. I am pro abortion for any woman who wants abortion. I am pro women governing their own fertility

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/abortion2.htm

            Pro-choice groups:Liberal and some mainline denominations: In general, these either promote a woman’s right to choose an abortion, or are relatively silent on the matter. A number of liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and should remain legal. According to lists prepared by The Secular Web and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, they include, in alphabetic order: 1American Baptist Churches-USA (see below),American Ethical Union,American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,American Jewish Committee,American Jewish Congress,Central Conference of American Rabbis,Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),Council of Jewish Federations,Episcopal Church (USA),Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot,Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,Na’Amat USA,National Council of Jewish Women,Presbyterian Church (USA),Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,Union of American Hebrew Congregations,Unitarian Universalist Association,United Church of Christ,United Methodist Church,United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.
            Religious groups other than denominations:Catholics for Free Choice,Episcopal Women’s Caucus,Evangelicals for Choice,Jewish Women International,Lutheran Women’s Caucus,North American Federation of Temple Youth,Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation,Women of Reform Judaism,Women’s American ORT,Women’s Caucus Church of the Brethren,Women’s League for Conservative Judaism.
            Secular organizations: A number of secular organizations promote the right of women to have free access to abortions. These include:American Humanist AssociationNARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation™Planned Parenthood Federation of AmericaYWCA

          • goatini

            Sure you can.

            http://rcrc.org/

          • StudentHealer

            Wheeeew!

            Sorry – I’ve just got this genuine deep and abiding affection for the RCRC. :) I’m always glad when I see the group referenced in discussions like this one… especially when it’s in response to someone who supports forced gestation like roccolore.

          • Arekushieru

            Have you heard of Faith Aloud, SH?

          • StudentHealer

            Yes, ma’am! I came across that group about the same time as the RCRC – when I was trying to find Christians organizations who don’t advocate the hate and punishment of women. Anyway, from the little I’ve read about FA, I dig what they’re about. :)

            P.S. Have you seen all the deleted comments in this thread today? Wow!

          • Arekushieru

            Yeah, saw one of mine was removed, too! Ah, well, that’s the first time I’ve seen of mine removed. So, that’s okay!

          • Arekushieru

            Oops, sorry, just saw that more of them were removed. Don’t know if they disliked the all-caps or what. Really wish they would tell us for what reason, though.

          • StudentHealer

            I’d argue that one cannot be Christian and advocate bombing clinics and murdering doctors. Threatening to kill numerous people if your demands are not met is a behavior with a very specific definition. It’s called “terrorism”. So, I’d also argue that one cannot be a Christian and a terrorist.

            Seriously, get the multiple planks and beams out of your own eye before you even think about inspecting my eye for splinters that aren’t there.

          • Arekushieru

            And forcing woman to USE their ‘lady parts’ against their will doesn’t do that even MORE so? Women should not have the same freedom to take part in consensual sex as their male counterparts may do? Wow, thanks for proving you’re a misogynist… oh… perhaps that’s too big of a word for you… so should I say woman-hater, instead…? That, of course, means this was all a self-projection on your part. Thanks for playing, though!

          • goatini

            I assume this is an insult of the “one-issue voter” type, since the post I’m replying to, as well as all of the rest of the comments from that person, are incoherent hate rants.

            And as a female, I happen to think it’s pretty damned important to vote AGAINST anyone who thinks that innocent female US citizens’ inalienable civil, human and Constitutional rights should be forcibly stripped away, and who thinks innocent female US citizens lose their rights to a fertilized egg. Reproductive justice has done more for me over the last 45 years than the fetus freaks ever could.

          • Ramanusia

            As you keep being told, we are not abortion supporters only a true moron sets themselves for or against a procedure in all cases, this a position YOU take. Your position is so misogynistic in nature that not only do you oppose abortion, no matter the effect on the woman’s life or health, even if she’s raped or in medical need of this procedure you know so little about but hate so much, that you’d rather see her die than receive it.

            You’re also against effective sex education and contraceptives and plan B, all of which prevent unplanned pregnancies, add this to your support of the usual talking points against the EPA, which regulates what your corporate overlords can dump into the food supply, the air, the water and the soil, which actually affect the fetus, and in many cases contribute heavily to pregnancies that either spontaneously miscarry or produce a fetus so deformed and diseased that an abortion is the most compassionate thing to do all around.

            What all this means is that not only do you hate women so much that it thrills you when women die, or when they suffer (as Savita Halappanavar did), but that it is you that supports abortions. Your man Gosnell, the taste of the “pre-Roe” world you wish to foist upon those women you hate? That’s you proving your pro-abortion, anit-women, anti-choice position.

            Projecting your hate doesn’t fool anyone, you’re the true haters here, and the ones who love death.

          • Arekushieru

            Yeah, because, if you read what Ramanusia posted below, it doesn’t matter if he was deemed to be following the standard of care or not. Because it is his fellow physicians that determine the standard of care. And, if they can turn on Doctors like Karpen they can also ‘stick by’ doctors like Bingham and Gosnell.

            Besides, this article also details how Pro-Choice has been reporting on Gosnell AND Bingham for YEARS. Sorry, you lose.

      • goatini

        Reproductive justice supporters never defended criminal Gosnell.

        And the false charges against Dr Karpen (concocted by Operation Rescue fetus freaks) were found to be completely baseless. Dr Karpen practices in TEXAS. *Not* California, *not* New York – TEXAS. The TEXAS Medical Board and a TEXAS Grand Jury were unable to find any cause for indictment.

        • Shan

          “The TEXAS Medical Board and a TEXAS Grand Jury were unable to find any cause for indictment.”

          That’s what happened to Dr. Tiller before one of the wingnuts went off the rails and decided to assassinate him because Tiller couldn’t be taken down legally.

          • goatini

            And this is why the fetus freaks are domestic terrorists. They are NOT “lone wolves” – they are ALL networked and ALL complicit.

      • Ramanusia

        You pro-deathists are too dimwitted to understand that it’s you who are the cheerleaders for the Gosnells of the world and the ones working hard to ensure that more of them thrive, since dead women is something that you seem to enjoy.

        You’re too dimwitted to understand how your rhetoric and your illegals actions support these people you claim to hate, but whose careers you make possible.

        • roccolore

          You Democrats are pro-death. You support Gosnell and his abortion mills.

          • goatini

            Wrong. Criminal Gosnell was not a provider of safe, legal pregnancy terminations. RHRC has reported on Gosnell’s crimes since 2010.

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2010/02/24/roundup-everyone-deserves-safe-medical-care/

          • Arekushieru

            Killing women is more egregious than providing a medical procedure that results in the death of a fetus. And that’s what you REPUBLICANS support.

          • Ramanusia

            Let’s also not forget that they didn’t even COUNT the woman that died at Gosnell’s hands as of his victims. They thought that she deserved to die for daring to seek an abortion. You see the same callousness for every woman in this situation.

          • Ramanusia

            First of all, I’m not a democrat, so the usual splitting that people with your mental illness do fails. You CONS are the ones who are pro-death, as we saw in the last elections when you cheered a fellow Republican who was dying on tv, oopsie! We see your pro-death stance when you cheer and jeer all those people you kill with the death penalty even when there is clear evidence that the person is not mentally fit, and when there is exonerating evidence. Texas, a CON pro-death state has a record of their death happy GOP governors who make a habit of showcasing their pro-death giddiness.

            There is literally no such thing as an abortion mill, it’s just another thing you made up, appropriated probably from puppy mills, which ironically are places where dogs are impregnated against their will and forced to gestate repeatedly without any regard for their health or well-being.

            Gosnell is the face of ILLEGAL abortion, you know the kind that flourishes when some insane pro-death morons decide that closing all the clinics that provide safe, legal abortions would make their pedophile priests or rape happy “family” organizations happy?

            Gosnell is literally the benign face of the pre-Roe reality you wish to drag us all back to. Except that most pre-Roe people who performed back alley abortions were not experienced Ob/Gyns. What you support is the greed of the Gosnell, without his skill so that more women can bleed to death and die of massive infections like the old days you dream of.

            Gosnell is your creature, he was able to function BECAUSE of you, and it’s your actions and your desire to make more of people like him.

            Thus, once again, all that you accuse us of, is what is true about you.

            I”m sorry that you can’t handle the death loving, women hating, back alley illegal abortion supporting reality that comprises the GOP and the anti-choice platform, but projecting it all on those who expose your lies really doesn’t cut it. We’re not the mindless, gullible twits who are incapable of critical thinking, that, again is what you see in the mirror.

            It must be difficult to be such a FAIL so much of the time.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am not a Democrat. Roe v. Wade was an attempt to regulate abortion. You freaks took care of that. Now there is no regulation at all and anything goes. Expect many more Gosnells.