Texas Abortion Clinic Protesters Told to ‘Track License Plates’


At an abortion clinic protester training at the Texas state capitol last week, anti-choice leaders told their trainees to write down the license plate numbers of abortion-providing doctors and abortion-seeking patients, so that they could track which doctors have admitting privileges at local hospitals and which patients did or did not ultimately choose abortion.

“This way, you can track whether or not a client comes back,” said Karen Garnett, the director of an anti-choice Catholic group in North Texas, in an audio recording made by NARAL Pro-Choice Texas, members of which attended a “Keeping Abortion Facilities Closed” training event held last week.

The training was held on the first day of the Whole Woman’s Health v. Lakey trial, the latest federal challenge to Texas’ omnibus anti-abortion law, HB 2, which bans abortion after 20 weeks, restricts the prescription of medication abortions, requires abortion clinics to operate as hospital-like ambulatory surgical centers, and mandates that abortion-providing doctors have hospital admitting privileges.

Karen Garnett can be heard on the recording telling her trainees that her group has a “very, kind of, sophisticated little spreadsheet” they used to track the identities of abortion-providing doctors.

Heather Busby, the executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Texas, called these protest tactics “stalking” in a press release that accompanied the recordings.

“Texas women are now not only forced to travel hundreds of miles to even access a safe and legal Texas clinic, but once they reach a clinic they must also confront the very real threat posed by these anti-abortion activists,” said Busby. “The anti-abortion harassment tactics outlined in this disturbing training lead women to seek dangerous alternatives.”

Having the sidewalk “lined with protestors,” said Garnett in the audio recording, turns potential clients away from abortion clinics: “they don’t want to drive in because they see our presence there.”

When anti-choice Texas lawmakers passed HB 2 last summer—despite a 13-hour filibuster from state Sen. Wendy Davis and the presence of thousands of reproductive rights supporters who descended on the capitol—legislators said that the law was meant only to increase the health and safety of abortion-seeking Texans, though Texas’ lieutenant governor, David Dewhurst, tweeted at the time that closing clinics was indeed the intent of the law.

And at the clinic protester training last week, a 40 Days For Life organizer named Eileen Romano said that the “poorer ones”—low-income Texans seeking abortion care—began going to the local Beaumont, Texas, crisis pregnancy center after the passage of HB 2, because they “didn’t have transportation” to access a legal abortion facility.

“God is good,” said Romano.

Four abortion-providing doctors have been killed, along with four more abortion clinic staffers, in anti-abortion clinic violence since 1993, according to the National Abortion Federation.

The Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth’s Michael Demma told trainees that his group, Respect Life, is “searching” for one of two abortion-providing OB-GYNs at the Whole Woman’s Health facility in Fort Worth.

“We have been able to identify one in there and we’re still searching for the other,” he said in the recording.

Professional anti-choice activist Abby Johnson, who famously left her job at a southeast Texas Planned Parenthood facility in 2009, told the trainees that “abortionists are feeling the pressure” from anti-choice groups, and that she had identified the potential new location of an abortion-providing ambulatory surgical center in Austin.

“I think they feel like they’re on the run,” Johnson told the trainees, “and that’s how we want to keep it.”

Closing arguments in Whole Woman’s Health v. Lakey will begin in Austin on Wednesday morning. The plaintiffs, a group of independent Texas abortion providers practicing across the state, say that the law imposes an undue burden on providers and patients, forcing them to drive hundreds of miles for legal abortion care. The State of Texas has argued that long-distance travel does not constitute an undue burden, and that it need only show that lawmakers had a “rational basis” for passing the law.

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  • fiona64

    Heather Busby, the executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Texas, called
    these protest tactics “stalking” in a press release that accompanied the
    recordings.

    It *is* stalking. Pure and simple.

  • StealthGaytheist

    Why are these terrorists still on the streets?

    • Arachne646

      They are white, and their religion is the privileged, majority Christian variety.

      • Shan

        I’m still holding out hope that the *actual* majority of Christians don’t condone this kind of thing.

        • Barry

          Don’t hold your breath… the things they do are in their books, in their words, and in the actions of their churches.

          • Arachne646

            Liberation theology (including feminist theology) is based partly on Jesus’ teachings that the least in this world will become the greatest in the Kingdom of God. Lots of what Jesus taught and the early Church lived was greatly changed when Christianity became the official religion of the authoritarian, militaristic, patriarchal Roman Empire. Jesus was executed as an agitator against that Roman Empire, so you can see there’s a bit of room for movement in Christianity between where Jesus lived and taught, early Church history, the Holy Roman Empire memorialized in our Scripture at Nicaea, and a snapshot of your political viewpoint of your country’s religious/political landscape today! :)

        • Arachne646

          Jesus didn’t, and the Christians that I worship with and work for peace with justice with don’t. Very, very few Christians actually are forced-birth activists, even if more have some anti-choice ideas, and want to prohibit some abortions. Their votes can be coerced through religion, even though I could refute Barry’s point of view–no opposition to abortion in scripture, and there’s no overriding obedience to earthly authority (anti-abortion catechism, say), in Christianity, and the actions of some of the Church, some places, some of the time, don’t make Christianity.

    • Ann Kah

      They don’t seem to realize that “these terrorists” probably share a pew with women who’ve had abortions. In large part, it’s Christians against Christians.

  • Cait McKnelly

    I want to know just exactly what they DO with that information. Given that most facilities do (a whole LOT) more than just abortions, the fact that they only saw a license plate once means diddly squat.HOW do they know they are doctors? Many doctors rent cars to come to work at clinics. They may eventually figure out who the nurses and clerical staff are but what does that gain them? And, most importantly, are they accessing private information just from livense plates? That is blatantly illegal. But even if they do get that private info what do they do with it?

    • JamieHaman

      For harassment. Whether in front of a Dr.’s home, at the hospital she or he has admitting privileges at, or next, in front of a patient’s home.
      Then of course, there are the murders committed, the bombings, and the out and out shoot in the face killings.
      Want your mom, or your boss to know you’ve had an abortion? Your congregation? If you already have children? They can make an anonymous call to Child Protective Services, and file a complaint. Which, in the State of Texas must be looked into for the safety of the children.
      The list of things these people can do with personal or professional information is limited only by their imagination, and willingness to create havoc.
      As far as blatantly illegal, well, someone somewhere has a brother or sister who can access this info, and the hell with the illegality. Because “following God’s law…”

      • Cait McKnelly
      • Arekushieru

        Except that the bible EXPLICITLY states that people must follow man’s law if it does not conflict with God’s law. Since illegally acquiring personal information is neither a man-made or God-made law, they are not following God’s law, whatsoever.

    • Ann Kah

      Stalk.

  • J.D.

    40 Days For Life organizer named Eileen Romano said that the “poorer ones”—low-income Texans seeking abortion care—began going to the local Beaumont, Texas, crisis pregnancy center after the passage of HB 2, because they “didn’t have transportation” to access a legal abortion facility.

    “God is good,” said Romano.

    You, however, Ms. Roman, suck!
    They are most definitely stalkers! The thing with stalking is, it escalates. It’s a gateway to violence.

    • L-dan

      Yeah, god has so much to do with that. If god is actually that awesome, he’d be sending women to the CPC *without* having to put a lot of restrictive laws in place such that it’s their only choice.

      It would be like fencing the tree of knowledge with steel and barbed wire, laying in a moat, and going “god is good” when Eve never goes in and takes an apple.

      • Arekushieru

        Although, I think it would be wise to point out that the fact that The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was so easily accessible is believed, by many, to be an intentional act of temptation. Meaning, God was NOT acting like a ‘Father’.

        • catseye

          From the Rubaiyat by Omar Khayyam:
          O Thou Who man of baser Earth didst make;
          And e’en with Paradise devise the Snake;
          For all the sin with which the face of Man
          Is blackened; Man’s forgiveness give…AND _TAKE!_

          • Arekushieru

            Exactly.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Those women have just been turned into Democrats, Romano Stupido.

    • expect_resistance

      40 days of harassment.

  • Snexas

    Why are anti-choice activists such aholes?! Get a life & go do some real pro-life work like housing the homeless or feeding the hungry. I’m so sick of so-called “Christians”. They’re all a bunch of hypocrites.

    • dudebro

      It is especially ironic when they claim that *we* are the oppressors.

      And Secular Pro Life Perspectives ‘claims’ to be helping women with this site: http://www.abortionsafety.org/

      They seem to think this site doesn’t count as harassment because they don’t list the home addresses of the doctors, just the names!

      http://thetruepooka.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/secularprolife-abortionsafety-com/

    • fiona64

      They can’t be bothered to do anything for *actual* people. We’ve seen that time and again; they’re “too busy” or “can’t afford to” help actual people, so they waste their time fetishizing embryos … which are blanks slates onto which the anti-choice can project their existential angst.

    • Ann Kah

      Not all of them. I don’t want Christians all classed together, in the same way that I don’t want them to class atheists all together, because we span a pretty wide field. Our basic difference is in credulity.

  • JCNow

    We need to respond in kind. Women need to find out where these nuts go to church. We need then to protest outside of their churches every Sunday, and carry signs affirming that god is a man-created myth and doesn’t exist. We need to scream at them as they enter their churches about their stupidity in believing in invisible sky fairies. We need to make sure that their children are present and hear that what they are being taught is a falsehood. And we should be prepared to protect ourselves by videotaping these so-called “Christians” and their reactions to their own methods of harassment. I’d also be sure to carry a taser or pepper spray just in case. It’s time we start fighting back.

    • Kathryn Ranieri

      Most run-of-the-mill protesters do not like being videotaped, do not like their bullying publicized and do not want their neighbors and fellow church members to know how nasty they are to women. Of course, there are the unstable ones who get their jollies from being tough bullies.

    • Max

      What I think is very interesting is the fact that you DON’T see pro- death activists out there in front of churches carrying signs saying “I’m proud of my abortion”.Showing signs of aborted babies saying ” MY CHOICE ,MY RIGHTS” or how about signs “satan loves abortions ” The church condemns abortions . Always did always will. A falsehood ,Affirm? That’s your belief not mine or any other person that walks into a church .i would really like to see this .

      • dudebro

        Numbers 5

        Abortion in the case of suspected adultery

        The bible does not consider the unborn to be people

        • Max

          Your distorted understanding of the bible will always be that .A distorted understanding.

          • fiona64

            And how much of the Bible can YOU read in its original language?

            Pro-tip It didn’t come handed down in English.

            Dudebro is exactly right. Numbers 5 cites a woman being made to consume a potion made from dust from the temple floor. She is suspected of adultery … why? Because she’s pregnant. Dust from the temple floor would contain ergotamine, a byproduct of rotting grain. Ergotamine is an abortifacient.

            But thanks for proving once again how easy it is to be an anti-choice male, Max. You just wave your big dumb paw, knowing full well that you will never have your life or health affected by the things for which you advocate. Pretty convenient, isn’t it?

            No love, a woman whose wanted pregnancy almost killed her and who will NOT go through that again

          • Max

            It’s an all about me world isn’t it?

          • goatini

            We know that YOU think it’s an all about YOU world.

          • expect_resistance

            Yes for anti-choicer/forced-birthers it is all about them and their creepy fetus worship.

          • Jennifer Starr

            What is?

          • Arekushieru

            So says the person who will never have to sacrifice their life and health to undergo a very DANGEROUS medical condition. OOPS?

          • Max

            Thankyou Norstradamus.

          • Jennifer Starr

            It becomes less witty if you can’t spell it. Not that it was very witty to begin with, but still.

          • goatini

            I thought he was talking about Nordstrom’s

          • Jennifer Starr

            LOL–for all we know, he could be.

          • Arekushieru

            Do you not notice the words ‘HAVE TO’? If you are Pro-Life you will never be forced to sacrifice (although, unwilling to give up your life is not technically a sacrifice) your life or health, as you claim Pro-Life people don’t have abortions, so you or a significant other will never be FORCED into doing so.

            How that makes me Nostradamus (even spelled that wrong, I see), I have NO fucking idea.

          • RobbieT

            Pregnancy is not the only sometimes-dangerous condition.

          • Ineedacoffee

            But like many sometimes dangerous condition there is perfectly acceptable health care to deal with it

            To force someone to forgo it if they want it is monstrous
            Funny, you will never have to take the risk with your life as you seem to be
            male, so really your only opinion should be not my body, woman’s choice

          • Jennifer Starr

            Is there an actual point to this statement?

          • JamieHaman

            No shit Sherlock. Men kill more women, in fact male intimate partners kill more women in this country than anything except diseases and car wrecks. http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2013.pdf

          • fiona64

            Oral surgery is more dangerous than abortion; where is your concern about wisdom tooth removal?

          • Ella Warnock

            What about the poor, little, innocent wisdom teeth? They’re INNOCENT !!!1!11

          • Jennifer Starr

            I got my poor, innocent, impacted wisdom teeth pulled without a second thought:) Hurt me more than it did them–the dentist didn’t use enough novacaine and I had swollen face for a week.

          • Ella Warnock

            You’re your heartless, Jennifer!

          • Arekushieru

            And men will never have to face a medical condition nearly as dangerous as pregnancy, beyond the medical conditions they can purportedly share with women. Pregnancy is ALWAYS dangerous. It’s just that sometimes those dangers never materialize. OOPS.

          • Everybodhi

            You don’t approve of a woman’s life being saved over the life of a fetus?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What should my world be about? You? Please.

          • fiona64

            That pretty much describes the anti-choice position: YOU don’t like abortion, so YOU demand that a woman YOU’ve never even met remain pregnant so that YOU don’t have existential angst.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I very much doubt that he can read the English versions.

          • RobbieT

            This is a failure to understand the difference between humans making life-or-death decisions and acts that are presented in the Bible as decrees of God.

            The Israelites were commanded by God to drive out or, if they would not leave or surrender, wipe out the Canaanites, in many instances including children and infants. At the same time, if an individual Israelite was to murder, say, a Canaanite merchant of those the Israelites failed to get rid of, that murderer was to be stoned to death.

            If the law required the pregnant woman suspected of adultery to eat the dust, the possibly resulting miscarriage would have been by the decree of God, Who holds every life in His hand. It is He Who has decreed that we all must die as a result of grandfather Adam’s sin (not Eve’s, who was deceived, but Adam, who sinned wilfully).

          • JamieHaman

            “a failure to understand the difference… presented…as decrees of God”
            Not everyone believes in your God, not everyone believes that your God should run OUR country.

          • fiona64

            Um, sweetie? You’re cute and all, but you are clearly not a Biblical or Rabbinical scholar. You also clearly have no idea whatsoever about chemistry or biology. Go color while the adults talk.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Jehovah is a proabort. Abortion is a sacrament.
            Hosea 13:16
            The word of the Lord that came unto Hosea:
            Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

          • Max

            Let’s have a show of hands to all the women on this thread as to how proud you are of your abortions..c’mon shout it out .

          • goatini

            Show us your stiff, sticky gym sock as to how proud you are of getting your rocks off to being a vicious misogynist bully. (I’m afraid that sock will need more than Shout to get it out….)

          • Max

            Sorry to disappoint.female here . Show of hands please .Why is it the pro death squad isn’t more vocal about how proud they are at their abortions and the horrific signs that are carried by pro life people .why do they bother you ? Whats the problem with the truth of the “women’s medical care procedure”?

          • goatini

            Go tote some signage of open heart surgery around Mt Sinai and tell me how long you get to parade it.

          • Max

            Yes yes that makes perfect sense

          • goatini

            Same thing.

          • goatini

            And I see you’re proud of being a vicious self-loathing misogynist bully. (If you are indeed “female”… which I actually highly doubt. Vile male chauvinist forced-birther pigs love to come here and pretend to be “female”.)

          • Max

            Not so my dear. What misogyny have I shown so far .sound to me your angry that I disagree with you .truth stinks!

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re a barely literate joke.

          • goatini

            Truth and facts have a liberal bias, you’re a man, and you’re full of BS.

          • Arekushieru

            Denying rights to women that everyone else has, is not misogyny? Wow, whodathunkit? /sarcasm

          • goatini

            Mad Max and his fellow misogynists would fight bloody civil war in the streets to protect THEIR civil, human and Constitutional rights from attack by the enemy, were THEIR rights threatened only a fraction of how OURS have been threatened and under attack.

          • fiona64

            What misogyny have I shown so far

            Go back and re-read your posts, sweetie.

          • Kathryn Ranieri

            Max, please, sweetie, you’re not female. Not in the sense that you have any shared sensibilities about life-lived. Not in the sense that you are able to move beyond cheap comments (pro death? grotesque masquerades of the troupe called “pro life”)

          • goatini

            Max, of course, IS a man.

          • Max

            Ahhhh my friend if you only knew. If you only knew! Female I am .i promise

          • goatini

            Crossdressing doesn’t count.

          • fiona64

            No, you’re not. You’re also not Yoda. You’re a teenaged boy who thinks he’s clever.

          • Everybodhi

            Take your time reading, there are many stories women have shared, here’s a few. http://myabortionmylife.org/pages/sharing-our-stories.php

          • Everybodhi

            Here’s a woman sharing her late term abortion experience.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/opinion/my-abortion-at-23-weeks.html?_r=0

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You can see an abortion right here at the link:
            You want the second video. Got the kleenex right there to catch the gizz, Turdbreath? Fap fap fap …
            http://www.abortioncarenetwork.org/home/latest-happenings/496-abortion-stigma-busting-poetry-and-videos

          • fiona64

            Whats the problem with the truth of the “women’s medical care procedure”?

            Just that those signs are big fat lies, is all. ::shrug:: Not that you’d know; you think a cervical discectomy has something to do with pregnancy.

          • catseye

            Heh heh, if somebody sent him after a 12-volt fallopian tube, he’d go looking for one.

          • dudebro

            I adored every one of my abortions!

            /swoon

          • Max

            Tell me more .shout it out !

          • dudebro

            An abortion a day keeps the doctor away!

          • Max

            Ahh can’t seem to cut to the chase dude bro

          • Jennifer Starr

            What chase would that be then?

          • dudebro

            Max is so boring that all of xir posts are going directly to the trash bin of my email!

          • Jennifer Starr

            Shall I tell you about the Strabismus procedure I had once?

          • fiona64

            Ooh … maybe I should tell him about my thoracic outlet decompression. ;-)

          • Shan

            I’m having surgery in September. Maybe I should have it filmed and post it on YouTube!

          • catseye

            Or the cataract surgery I had back in Feb.? (Dr. James Wentzien at Kaiser Permanente in Portland ROCKS!)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Why? Do you need fapping material?

          • fiona64

            You’re touching yourself, aren’t you?

          • expect_resistance

            I’ve had an abortion. Glad I did. If you have a problem with that too bad for you.

          • Suba gunawardana

            What, are you NOT proud of yours?

          • Arekushieru

            Sorry, but I’ve never been pregnant OR had an abortion. AW. Many Pro-Life have had more abortions than I have had. OOPS.

          • goatini

            No kidding (pun intended). Pro-choice people are more intelligent and educated, and tend to use highly effective contraception with greater frequency. It’s the deliberately ignorant forced-birthers who take those silly “purity” and “abstinence” pledges, who end up with unwanted pregnancies due to denial, and lack of preparedness.

            http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

          • Ella Warnock

            Ain’t that the truth. I wonder how many women who profess to suffer from ‘post abortion syndrome’ are of more the fundagelical stripe who had abortions to hide the fact that they were sexually active? Guilt surrounding sexuality is a fundy’s constant companion, but I don’t know that it’s necessarily the abortion that requires ‘healing.’ Maybe it’s being sold a bill of goods that your entire worth rests on ‘purity’ and how many offspring you successfully produce for ‘god’s glory.’

          • dudebro

            I was accused of infantilizing women when I pointed out that abortion stigma and regret tend to arise as a result of manipulation and socirtaly induced shame.

            Nope, any women who feels abortion regret is that way because she has finally realized that she killed an innocent baybeee

          • Ella Warnock

            Maybe some of them do think that, but I always wonder how much ‘help’ they had to get there. Much of christianity is inherently manipulative, so it’s no surprise that antis feel that sort of manipulation is perfectly acceptable as long as the victim ends up a guilt-ridden mess. Real freedom is the last thing these people are interested in, because if you’ve got it then you don’t need them or their sociopathic deity.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am well known here. Everyone knows about how many abortions I have had or not had. Everyone knows about the abortions my Mother and Sister have had and not had. I would not tell you Fire! if your shoes were burning, Turdbreath.

          • fiona64

            Let’s have a show of hands of all the men who are prurient busy-bodies and think they have the right to know about private medical decisions. ::acknowledges Max and many others::

            Let me tell you something, little boy: my wanted pregnancy nearly killed me 28 years ago. Should my tubal ligation fail (they can, and do), you may rest assured that there will be an abortion so fast that your stupid, grammar-free, misogynistic head will spin right off. Pregnancy is NOT a state of wellness. You will never see your life or health endangered by pregnancy, wanted or not … but you would willingly force that on women whose circumstances are completely unknown to you.

            Step off, child, and go color while the adults talk.

          • catseye

            I totally ADORED the only one I ever had. F#ck you.

          • Max

            Plum dumpling l have seen you on a couple of threads .your messed up with all due respect.you haven’t grasped the enormity of the work of God in the context of the bible .your missing so much .Sorry .

          • goatini

            I see that bible study, and proper usage of intelligent grammar, spelling and syntax, seem to be mutually exclusive. Nitwit.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So why don’t you explain it, then? Go on–we’re all listening.

          • lady_black

            I’ve studied the Bible in great detail. Plum is right. Jehovah doesn’t see a fetus the same as a born person. Mayhem resulting in the loss of a fetus is dealt with by paying a fine to the father of the fetus. Mayhem resulting in the death of the pregnant woman results in the death penalty. Jewish religious law is quite clear. A fetus has value and should not be killed thoughtlessly. But if the fetus endangers it’s mother’s life, the fetus is to be cut up within her and removed in pieces to preserve her life. And a miscarriage is not considered a life, so as to be worthy of religious burial.

          • RobbieT

            Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

            If men strive,…. Quarrel and fight with one another, which is to be understood of Hebrews, as Aben Ezra observes:

            and hurt a woman with child; who being the wife of one of them, and also an Israelitish woman, interposes to part them, or help her husband; but the other, instead of striking his antagonist as he intended, gives her a blow:

            so that her fruit depart from her; or, “her children go forth,” out of her womb, as she may have more than one; through the fright of the quarrel, and fear of her husband being hurt, and the blow she received by interposing, might miscarry, or, falling into labour, come before her time, and bring forth her offspring sooner than expected:

            and yet no mischief follow: to her, as the Targum of Jonathan, and so Jarchi and Aben Ezra restrain it to the woman; and which mischief they interpret of death, as does also the Targum of Onkelos [your interpretation]; but it may refer both to the woman and her offspring [the interpretation of Gill and other eminent Christian scholars], and not only to the death of them, but to any hurt or damage to either of them: now though there was none of any sort:

          • fiona64

            If mischief follow *to her.* That means that the woman is more important than the fetus. Do try to keep up. I’ll take the work of rabbinical scholars over the ravings of an anti-choicer on the internet, thanks.

          • expect_resistance

            Coming from someone who can’t use capitalization or use punctuation, you’re not saying much of anything. Plum is awesome we like her.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You definitely are sorry.

          • fiona64

            your messed up

            “Your messed up? what? You seem to be unable to finish your sentences.

          • Nessie

            You used the wrong “you’re”, dumbass. Tip: people are mor likely to take you seriously if you use proper grammar.

          • Max

            Is that all you have .meaningful and intense

          • Nessie

            I’ll give you “meaningful and intense” when you: A-acknowledge the genuinely meaningful and intense arguments other people on this site have been patient enough to give you- and B-cough up something meaningful and intense yourself.

          • RobbieT

            The “Potter” has jurisdiction over the “pots” He makes. He is not one of us; He is not subject to the laws He decrees for us.

            What you refer to is what God said He would allow the enemies of Israel to do to them as a result of their disbelief and rebellion.

            Ultimately, God kills each and every one of us. That is His prerogative. Only two (Enoch and Elijah) are recorded as having been exempted.

            Don’t like it? Tough. Get with the program, or you lose, like it or not.

            “Bring My enemies, who didn’t want Me to be their King. Kill them in front of Me.” — Jesus

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We get the god we deserve. Keep your god. It skeeves me.

          • Jennifer Starr

            “Bring My enemies, who didn’t want Me to be their King. Kill them in front of Me.” — Jesus

            Well, isn’t that just special.

          • fiona64

            “Bring My enemies, who didn’t want Me to be their King. Kill them in front of Me.’

            Sounds like a threat …

          • Arekushieru

            And so Pro-‘Life’, huh.

          • goatini

            The bible is nothing but one grand distortion.

      • goatini

        “Pro-death”? You must mean the PRO-DEATH Catholic Church, as in, Bishop Olmstead wishing an innocent patient in extremis to be DEAD when her life was saved by a woman religious with an actual conscience.

        Or maybe all of the theocratic PRO-DEATH bullies who exploited the corpse of Marlise Munoz.

        • Arekushieru

          Or Savita!

          • catseye

            And, speaking of Ireland, don’t forget that septic tank full of full-term dead babies they dug up on the grounds of the old Magdalene laundry in Tuam.

          • Arekushieru

            And whether or not these babies were actually born, it doesn’t matter in terms of whether or not Irish laws are responsible for those deaths. They ABSOLUTELY are.

      • Kathryn Ranieri

        “the church” as in one unified church? Perhaps a distorted understanding of the diversity of religious faiths in this country. There are churches who support women and support abortion.

        • Max

          Yes what YOUR talking about is the church of satan

          • goatini

            Bullshit. The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice includes:

            American Jewish Committee
            American Jewish Congress
            Anti-Defamation League
            Catholics for Choice
            Central Conference of American Rabbis
            Disciples for Choice
            Episcopal Church
            Episcopal Women’s Caucus
            General Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist
            Church
            Jewish Reconstructionist Movement
            Jewish Women International
            Lutheran Women’s Caucus
            Methodist Federation for Social Action
            Metropolitan Community Church
            NA’AMAT USA
            National Council of Jewish Women
            Presbyterian Mission Agency
            Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO)
            Rabbinical Assembly
            Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
            Society for Humanistic Judaism
            Union for Reform Judaism
            Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
            Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation
            United Church of Christ
            United Methodist Women
            Women of Reform Judaism
            Women’s League for Conservative Judaism

          • Max

            I don’t like this church .they hate abortion. I don’t like this church .they make me shake hands .i don’t like this church . They want me to follow Mohamed .I don’t like this church they don’t believe in bestiality ! Get where I’m going ? I’m sure you do .

          • Jennifer Starr

            I doubt that you even have a map, let alone know where you’re going.

          • goatini

            To the nuthouse?

          • Jennifer Starr

            I think he may already be there.

          • fiona64

            Get where I’m going ?

            The locked ward at Bellevue?

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, afraid not.

          • goatini

            Wondering if you are one of the hate-filled asshats who forcibly invaded the worship service at NOLA’s First Unitarian Universalist Church to screech their hate speech.

          • Max

            Lol

          • goatini

            What an assclown, preaching his “religious” garbage while disrespecting the ACTUAL religions of others… who don’t happen to be vicious radical theocratic misogynist bullies like him.

          • fiona64

            He probably is.

          • Kathryn Ranieri

            So, Max, are you ascribing your church to be the church of satan?

          • Max

            Comprehension skills are not your finest point

          • goatini

            Nothing to “comprehend” in the mentally ill “religionist” mind.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Coming from you, that’s hilarious.

          • fiona64

            Please, do tell us everything you know about the work of Anton Szandor Lavey. It shouldn’t take long.

          • goatini
          • fiona64

            4/10 for me. I do quote LaVey fairly frequently: “It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful” is one of his.

          • catseye

            I managed to get 6 out of 10.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        You have never seen a prochoice sign? Interesting. My favorite sign says “Think Outside My Box.”
        Stop pretending all religious and all Christian folks are opposed to abortion. That is a stone lie.

        • Max

          Yes your absolutely correct . Only problem is they are not Christian folk

          • goatini

            Bullshit. The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice includes the following:

            Catholics for Choice
            Disciples for Choice
            Episcopal Church
            Episcopal Women’s Caucus
            General Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist
            Church
            Lutheran Women’s Caucus
            Methodist Federation for Social Action
            Metropolitan Community Church
            Presbyterian Mission Agency
            Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO)
            Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
            Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation
            United Church of Christ
            United Methodist Women

          • Max

            Hahaha! Very funny

          • Jennifer Starr

            Very true.

          • goatini

            Facts always have a liberal bias.
            http://rcrc.org/

          • fiona64

            Poor little boy … facts are hard, aren’t they?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Liar. In fact, clergy are one of the reasons abortion became legal. Christian clergy of a number of sects. And rabbis too.

          • fiona64

            “Yes your absolutely correct” what? Please complete the sentence.

        • expect_resistance

          Oooh I like that sign. I’m so using that one.

      • StealthGaytheist

        Maybe you don’t see it because pro-choicers aren’t terrorists and tend to mind their own business.

        • Max

          You don’t seem to be minding YOUR own Business.iIf your so bent on access to abortion at any stage ,
          Why not make it your business?? Do you carry a sign .”I’m proud of my abortion”

          • Jennifer Starr

            How is that not minding our own business to say that pregnancy choices should be made by the woman who is actually pregnant?

          • lady_black

            I’ll carry a sign saying I’m proud of my anterior cervical discectomy and fusion. Is that ok?

          • Max

            This explains thing perfectly! You All are trying to protect the choices you made in helping ,having and directing women to. abort their children . It’s a very difficult thing to kill the conscience .you will take this to the grave .

          • Jennifer Starr

            You don’t even understand the procedure she just mentioned, do you? Big words too hard?

          • Max

            Procedure ? Ummm ending life maybe?

          • lady_black

            LOL. Nope. I survived the procedure.

          • Max

            By Gods grace you did survive ! For a reason my dear.For a reason!

          • lady_black

            Ignorant and proud of it, aren’t you?

          • Jennifer Starr

            What procedure do you think she actually had?

          • lady_black

            Oh he can’t be bothered to find out what that means.

          • goatini

            “Cerv… hmmm… ????”

          • goatini

            Yes, a reason: to continue her lifelong advocacy for reproductive justice. Lady Black and I are old ladies, little boy, we’ve been reproductive freedom fighters since, probably, before your mother was born. Now naff off and leave the adults alone.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re either a kid/teen or an extremely dimwitted adult.

          • goatini

            School is still out. We always get a run of Catholic school boys whose nads haven’t dropped yet polluting RHRC during the summer.

          • fiona64

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • fiona64

            Reply to Lindsey, in moderation: Our boy genius thinks that a cervical discectomy has something to do with pregnancy.

          • goatini

            But *your* “conscience” thinks it’s just great to attempt to forcibly strip female US citizens of their civil, human and Constitutional rights to privacy, bodily autonomy, and reproductive justice. What a seditious, amoral, anti-American piece of crap you are.

          • Max

            It’s my constitution right to kill the unborn ? Sick sick sick !

          • goatini

            No such thing as “unborn”. You are not “undead”. And advocating for erasing citizens’ rights IS sick sick sick, not to mention un-American and hateful. Go to Saudi Arabia.

          • lady_black

            I’ve been lucky enough never to need an abortion. My mother and sister weren’t so lucky. Nobody’s medical history is for public consumption, nor is it any of your business. You’re not their doctor, or the nurse assigned to their care. Medical matters are on a need to know basis, You don’t need to know. And I would be legally prohibited from giving you any information, even if it were your wife or your daughter, without the express consent of the patient.

          • StealthGaytheist

            Does your mommy know you’re on her computer, dudebro?

          • fiona64

            BWAHAHAHAHA! You have no idea what she even said.

          • Jennifer Starr

            My grandmother actually had this done as well–it helped her tremendously.

          • lady_black

            I was in such pain I wanted to die. I still have neck pain, but nothing like before the surgery. Afterward I wished I hadn’t waited so long.

          • catseye

            Oweeee, those hurt. Hope you’re feeling better.

          • lady_black

            The surgery was painless. As soon as I woke up, the peripheral radiculopathy was gone and never re-appeared. I’m doing much better. The pain before the surgery was unbearable.

          • StealthGaytheist

            I’m not the one trying to jam religion and government between women and their doctors.

            “Do you carry a sign .”I’m proud of my abortion”

            Thankfully I’ve never needed one, but I support the right of every woman to have access to it.

      • Suba gunawardana

        God loves abortion. By condemning abortion, isn’t the church defying god?

      • Arekushieru

        No, sorry, YOU people are the Pro-Death activists. You love to see abortion providers, women and children murdered. Operation Rescue. Pregnancy, the third leading cause of death for women, WORLDWIDE.

        • catseye

          They get those horrible signs by taking full-term stillborns and hacking them up. They need to be investigated for corpse desecration.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I fervently hope they were really STILLBORN, considering there’s no low to which they wouldn’t stoop for the “cause”.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Fight back by joining, contributing or volunteering for Voice of Choice:
    http://www.vochoice.org/

    • expect_resistance

      I love the “bully” section. Great website. I’m bookmarking this.

      • Arekushieru

        Although, I think it should include Canadian bullies, as well.

  • anja

    Sounds alot like the activities of terrorists.

  • splashy79

    Terrorism is what this is.

  • expect_resistance

    A perfect example of how the antis stalk, harrass, bully, and intimidate abortion providers and patients. This is domestic terrorism. The antis are engaging in psyc-opp behaviors to intimidate.

  • goatini

    Mayor Parker in Houston, and the majority of the Houston City Council, are about to open up a super-size can of whoop-ass on the forced-birther troglodytes in the Texas Legislature, pushing for repeal of the un-Constitutional HB2. Good on you, Mayor Parker! If I’d stayed in Houston, you would have most definitely had my vote.

    Mayor Annise Parker and eight members of the Houston City Council joined together on Monday to call for the repeal of a 2013 Texas law that could close half of the state’s abortion clinics.

    The (federal Women’s Health Protection) Act would prohibit Texas and other states from imposing unconstitutional restrictions on reproductive health care procedures.

    http://news92fm.com/466108/houston-mayor-8-city-councilors-call-for-repeal-of-texas-abortion-bill/?utm_source=nar.al&utm_medium=urlshortener&utm_campaign=FB

    • Arekushieru

      HELL TO THE YEAH!

  • P. McCoy

    If “Max” was in a straight jacket wearing a ‘my real name is Napoleon’ hat, would you be wasting time arguing with him (or her)? Let’s not waste time on brainwashed religious fanatics, instead, since they are now boasting about their acts of terrorism, we need to be asking our DOJ as well as hard hitting legislators like Pelosi et al, why these people and their so called political allies masking as ‘churches’and other ‘pro life’ advocates of ALL kinds aren’t being prosecuted as Domestic Terrorists ? The kinds of procecutions that involve stripping tax exemption statuses, lawsuits to insure impoverishment, bans on entering the United States-don’t you all REALIZE that Pope Francis is due to
    visit the US in 2015?, and finally imprisonment in Federal Prison in Solitary Confinement

  • Sydney

    I say start making snap-on license plates w/ GFY printed on them.
    Prior to pulling into the parking lot at the clinic, snap the plate on the existing license plate.
    Let the protesters spend a few minutes figuring out what GFY means.

    • Jennifer Starr

      It took me a couple of minutes to figure out what GFY meant too–actually had to look it up :) I need more coffee :)

      • Sydney

        Ha! I wasn’t sure if I would get past moderation if I explained it.
        and I’ve scratched my head over a few acronyms myself.

  • P. McCoy

    Most Black women make up their OWN minds about abortion-plenty of legal aid available for those being forced into abortion; pro choicers are against forced abortion, forced contraception and forced sterilization (the latter was quite popularly used by ‘christian Whites’ against Blacks!). However so ‘christian Whites’ bray and weep about unborn Black “babies” being aborted with crocodile tears- live Black children get neither medical, educational, psychological, shelter nor foo dollars via voting by these “christians” because they vote Republican who consider those dollars to be a waste of money going to lazy, absent Dads, welfare Queen, promiscuous Moms and career criminally minded children. They don’t adopt them because they are Aryan infants. What they serve as good for to these “christian” White forced birthers is fisticuff, chokehold and gun practice for law enforcement, cannon fodder for the military and slave labor via the prison/industry complex as well as scapegoats (next to Latino illegal immigration) for all the ills of the United States. Pro liars would rather go back to the days of Jim Crow, lynching or better still, slavery!

    • Arekushieru

      One of your comments reminds me of the situation in Canada, Alberta, especially, where legal aid is currently stretched to the limit. Another reminds me of Margaret Sanger and these SAME Christian whites complaints about her EUGENIC practices, as well as how these people wouldn’t be crying crocodile tears (interestingly enough, a phrase used by a son of an Israeli military general/military general, himself, which is related to the point I make in the final part of this statement) over black ‘babies’ being aborted if they couldn’t use them against the Pro-Choice movement, JUST LIKE (and here’s the part I was referring to, earlier) the conservative Republican war machine wouldn’t be crying crocodile tears over Anti-Semitic attitudes if they couldn’t use it in some form of attack ad against liberals and so-called anti-‘freeze’-‘peachers’. And the third one reminds me of Robin Williams and mental illness (wrt the use of the phrase ‘psychological dollars’).

      • P. McCoy

        Thank you

  • Jennifer Starr

    So you’re a terrorist/stalker.

  • Jennifer Starr

    It’s stalking.

  • Jennifer Starr

    Except that no one is talking about murdering human beings.

  • Jennifer Starr

    I think that black women are intelligent and capable of making their own reproductive decisions without my input.

    • catseye

      And a whole lot of these brave ladies have been fighting for reproductive justice since BEFORE Roe v. Wade. We all owe then in a huge way.

  • Jennifer Starr

    Like you.

  • JamieHaman

    The clear difference here is that auto companies GIVE information to repossessors……for the purpose of reclaiming property.
    That isn’t what’s happening here obviously.These people outside of clinics are getting that personal info, and they aren’t there to reclaim property.

    • catseye

      They think that OUR BODIES are somehow “their property.”

      • goatini

        Exactly. Like that asshat on another article arguing that pregnant women are the property of the State.

  • JamieHaman

    When did you become a women’s rights expert? When did God leave you in charge of women’s bodies, and medical decisions?
    Why do you think women should be state regulated incubators?

  • JamieHaman

    Missionaries should obey those laws. The people who are converted by the dishonesty, and illegality of these so called Xtians can be and are put to death for this conversion.
    Way too seriously mess up the lives of that person’s family. Way to expose them to danger. Creepy Christians call that a win!!!
    If Christian missionaries actually lived like Jesus, then missionaries would not need Bibles to convert people and breaking the law of other countries wouldn’t be a problem now would it?

    • Arekushieru

      Interestingly enough, not long after you posted this comment, an article in the local newspaper appeared discussing the visit of Pope Tawadras’ (I hope that’s how his name is spelled) to a local Coptic Church. It’s believed that Christians became the majority of the population in AD 49, but now it is merely at 10% of the population, compared to Muslims. But, recently, we’ve been hearing news of how Christians have been attacked, harassed and threatened because they are Christian. I’m sure some of them have been converted. Missionaries should take at least SOME of the responsibility. But, of course, when it involves conversion to Christianity, none of the blame should fall on the converters but when it comes to conversion to any other type of faith ALL the blame should fall on the converter. Just sickening.

  • Barry

    Yes your eyes can be blind. You have those stores and missions and homes… so what!! What in hell do you call someone who runs around shouting about all their good works while stealing love from same sex couples, choice from women and health care to all? I call them hypocrites. The higher you build your castle walls, the lower you go.

  • http://aikenareaprogressive.blogspot.com/ jovan1984

    I’m gonna say this now. I think it is time for the federal and state governments to put teeth in the FACE law and completely ban anti-choice people from protesting within a MILE of any abortion clinic in the US. And don’t give me the First Amendment spiel about these “sidewalk counselors”: nudists and naturists have had their First Amendment rights, and other Constitutional rights, in 48 states infringed on by state government for about as long as I can remember.

    • Arekushieru

      Hey, Jovan, I would also like to add that the First Amendment also doesn’t include granting someone a space or forum (especially when it happens to be granted to one side more than the other) to assemble or exercise their right to free speech.

  • fiona64

    Thanks for admitting that you’re a terrorist.

  • fiona64

    Murdering human beings is definitely against God’s law.

    Somebody needs to re-read a whole lot of the Bible …

    • Arekushieru

      Not only because God actually demanded the murder of indisputable human beings, especially in the Bible, He also did not make any provisions or exceptions in the case of handling sensitive information. And, according to the Bible, God is a LOT less flexible about His laws than man is about his own laws, yet, in some cases, there will be people who will even run afoul of man-made laws, such as a certain Governor of Texas. I do so love destroying their types of arguments from within. So forgive me for using Christian-based arguments against Christian-based rather than just declaring that they’re irrelevant, please? ^_^;

      • fiona64

        I didn’t declare the argument irrelevant; I merely observed that Robbie has clearly not read his scriptures for comprehension. :-)

        • Arekushieru

          No, I didn’t mean you, specifically, have declared it irrelevant. But, when a lot of the Pro-Lifers bring up a religious objection to abortion a typical counterargument to that is that we don’t base laws on religion or morals. And I think that’s fine. It’s just that I, personally, prefer to argue from a Christian viewpoint. :D

    • lorimakesquilts

      Ah but a fetus cannot be murdered, no soul, not a person until it breathes, killed but not murdered. That’s their bible and our laws, they have no standing. They’re terrorist, nothing less.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    STFU. You skeeve me.

  • talktothe hand

    I would love to win the lottery so that I could give a boatload of it to Planned Parenthood.

    • fiona64

      You and me both.

  • stevie1910

    I suggest the pro-life group return the favor. Start protesting at the Catholic Churches, next find out where Karen lives and post her picture and home address etc. Let them get a taste of what it like to be stalked.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    You got that right, Sid.

  • Arekushieru

    It almost sounds like you posted this to the wrong person, but, then, I could also be wrong. *Shrugs*.

  • Terri Hemker

    Yes, they’ve been doing this for years. They take pictures of women patients and of escorts and of their license plates and then they post them on their ‘pro-life’ websites for every nutjob to see. It’s just like putting targets on these people’s backs. They have even dressed up as police officers and intimidated women coming to the clinics by getting their names addresses and phone numbers and writing them down on a clipboard. Total assholes!

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      • Arekushieru

        Especially Amanda’s for RH Reality Check!

      • Arekushieru

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  • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

    This is beyond disgusting.

    If they can’t win by reason, if they can’t win with facts, if they can’t win with the truth, then by golly they will try to win with lies, irrationality, stalking, abuse, and terrorism.

    This is the shit that broke me of being a forced-birther. Nothing good needs to rely on such underhanded, vile, horrifying tactics as we regularly see out of forced-birther groups like these.

    • fiona64

      CC! So glad to see you back!

  • http://crooksandliars.com/user/nylaw13 nylaw13

    Perhaps it is time to start taking the license plate numbers of the protesters down, askiing them for their names and addresses and copying some of their other bad habits (as long as laws are not broken) — Maybe they won’t like that so much.