Texas Jailers Deny Pregnant Navy Vet Medication Needed to Continue Her Pregnancy


A San Antonio Navy veteran who is 24 weeks pregnant says she has been denied the medically necessary methadone treatment she needs to maintain a healthy pregnancy while she is incarcerated in Texas’ Guadalupe County Jail due to a parole violation for past drug charges resulting from her attempts to self-medicate from heroin withdrawal.

According to legal documents provided to RH Reality Check by the pregnancy rights watchdog group National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW), 30-year-old Jessica De Samito suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and an anxiety disorder. She was charged and convicted with possession of a controlled substance in May 2011 and was released on parole in February.

Shortly thereafter, De Samito became pregnant and began attempting to self-medicate with methadone and heroin to prevent withdrawal while trying to find and enroll in a nearby methadone maintenance treatment (MMT) program; as a result, she failed a drug test before she was able to enroll in an official methadone treatment program in mid-June. She once again faced incarceration, this time while six months pregnant.

At a parole revocation hearing on Monday, De Samito submitted evidence showing her need for continued MMT, but the parole board told her it would need to take two to three weeks to consider her plea.

Without the continuation of her MMT, De Samito’s pregnancy is likely to end in stillbirth.

“No woman should be denied health care and she certainly shouldn’t be threatened with stillbirth,” Kylee Sunderlin, Soros Justice Fellow at NAPW, told RH Reality Check. Sunderlin filed an affadavit on De Samito’s behalf in advance of her re-incarceration, arguing that denying De Samito her MMT would violate De Samito’s constitutional rights as well as the Texas Prenatal Protection Act, which mandates criminal charges for third parties that cause injury or death to an unborn child.

Guadalupe County Jail officials confirmed to RH Reality Check that De Samito was being held in their facility, while Sunderlin said that the Guadalupe County Jail’s nursing department told her it “requires detoxification” for inmates.

De Samito contacted NAPW asking for their assistance in the weeks before her parole revocation hearing on July 7, anticipating that Guadalupe County would deny her methadone therapy.

“[De Samito] was just doing everything she could to find help beforehand,” said Sunderlin.

Medical experts agree that MMT is not only safe for pregnant people who face opioid addiction, but necessary to maintain healthy pregnancies. According to one methadone treatment expert who submitted an affidavit in support of De Samito during her parole revocation hearing, without MMT, “the survival of the fetus is at substantial risk,” and “it is universally recognized that for the fetus, opioid withdrawal can cause death.”

NAPW is asking people who’d like to help De Samito to tweet about her situation using the #JusticeForJessica hashtag, and to telephone the Guadalupe County Jail to demand De Samito get the treatment she needs to sustain her pregnancy. De Samito has now been incarcerated for 48 hours and is already seeing the initial signs of opioid withdrawal, according to NAPW. She has once received half of the normal dosage she needs to protect her baby.

De Samito’s situation is not without precedent, according to Sunderlin.

“Prisons and jails deny people proper medical treatment all the time, especially women,” she said, citing a 2009 case in Montana, where a jail refused to provide MMT, resulting in a settlement agreement ensuring that pregnant inmates with opioid dependency get the treatment they need.

While legal experts can debate whether or not Guadalupe County has the legal ability to withhold methadone treatment from De Samito without violating her constitutional rights or Texas law, the medical reality, according to expert testimony and decades of evidence-based research, is that without the methadone therapy, the baby De Samito is expecting—which she has named Alice—is at serious risk of not surviving.

Clarification: This article has been updated to reflect Kylee Sunderlin’s full fellowship title. It also now clarifies that the baby De Samito is expecting is at serious risk of not surviving (rather than “will almost certainly not survive”).

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  • kitler

    The pro life state of Texas…pro life my ass.

  • BelligerentBruncher

    Lady_black thinks is OK for expecting mothers to be junkies, so don’t worry about it.

    • fiona64

      Go away, little Chris. No one wants your ignorant hate speech and lies here.

      • BelligerentBruncher

        Lies? LB is on another thread defending the right of a pregnant woman to abuse whatever drugs she wishes.

        Would you care for the link?

        • fiona64

          She did no such thing … which you know.

          You’ll be banned again shortly, I’m sure … so why don’t you just get lost now?

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Oreally?

            Me: Her individual rights end when she is forcing a substance (alcohol, heroin, carcinogens from smoking) into the body of the other individual she is carrying — through actions of her own mind you.

            Unless you think it’s OK for gestating mothers to intentionally endanger their fetuses. Do you really feel that way Joy?

            lady_black: She has a right to do ANYTHING while pregnant that she had the right to do while NOT pregnant.

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/07/08/mens-rights-conference-host-says-women-drink-dance-begging-rape/#comment-1477666006

          • lady_black

            Just GO AWAY.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Go away? And stop posting the things you wrote?

            You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

          • Shan

            *facepalm*

          • http://tornadoandsasquatch.weebly.com/ TiffaniTornado

            It seems that you just proved LB right.
            She did not say they have a right to use drugs.
            She said pregnant women have a right to do anything that is legal while not pregnant. Which includes methadone and alcohol. Should they do those things? No. But can you legally stop them? Also no.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            You have the right to take methadone if it is prescribed to you. It wasn’t prescribed to her. She was taking it illegally. Read the article.

          • Shan

            So she shouldn’t get the legal methadone prescription she needs to stop the withdrawal symptoms that might cause her to miscarry now that she’s in jail for taking the illegal non-prescribed methadone she needed to stop the withdrawal symptoms that might cause her to miscarry.

            Still SO very nice.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            According to the article, she did get at least one dose of methadone for withdrawal.

            Read the article.

          • Shan

            “She has once received half of the normal dosage she needs to protect her baby.”

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Oh, look someone has deleted my post showing what lady_black wrote. Imagine that.

            Here, I’ll repost just for your own edification.

            Me: Her individual rights end when she is forcing a substance (alcohol, heroin, carcinogens from smoking) into the body of the other individual she is carrying — through actions of her own mind you.

            Unless you think it’s OK for gestating mothers to intentionally endanger their fetuses. Do you really feel that way Joy?

            lady_black: She has a right to do ANYTHING while pregnant that she had the right to do while NOT pregnant. Her individual rights do not end at pregnancy.

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/07/08/mens-rights-conference-host-says-women-drink-dance-begging-rape/#comment-1477595811

          • lady_black

            I don’t see anywhere where I claimed anyone had a “right” to be a junkie. And I stand by my remark. Rights do not end at pregnancy, and anything legal remains legal. Full stop.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Oh, so you think a mother has the right to give the infant fetal alcohol syndrome too.

            Nice.

      • lady_black

        He’s now claiming he’s a doctor. And his medical degree was earned at “Princeton medical school” which doesn’t exist.

    • J.D.

      “Without the continuation of her MMT, De Samito’s pregnancy is likely to end in stillbirth.”

      “it is universally recognized that for the fetus, opioid withdrawal can cause death.”

      Sounds like without her treatment she won’t be ‘expecting’ for much longer. I agree with kitler. Pro-life, my sweet fanny.

      • BelligerentBruncher

        The mother is already at 24 weeks. The baby will be fine.

        You may not know this, but thousands of babies (and their junkie mothers) withdraw from opiates every year – either prenatally or post delivery. Very few die from it.

        Now, if this lady were withdrawing from alcohol or benzos, that would be a different story altogether.

        • KristenfromMA

          Where did you get your medical degree?

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Princeton Medical School. It’s legit.

          • mamasnothappy1

            Now I see why America is in the shape it’s in with Doctors like you. God save us from people like this pretending to be Doctors.

          • JD

            You know there’s no such thing as Princeton medical school, right? ;)

            If full term babies can die of opioid withdrawal (and they do), then 24 week babies can die of opioid withdrawal.
            -a medical student

          • BelligerentBruncher

            “If full term babies can die of opioid withdrawal (and they do)”

            That’s quite the claim.

            I work in NYC and do you know how many infants I’ve seen die purely of opiate withdrawal in the past 10 years? None. Yes, that’s anecdotal, but I think that you’ll find that opiate withdrawal, while extremely unpleasant, is fairly benign. Go ahead, ask your psych professor or the OBGYNs or the Peds residents/attendings.

            The fact that this lady already received a dose of methadone would suggest that someone at the jail is following the COWS protocol. This story is simply to get people upset about Texas (look at the hashtags for the article). It’s pretty much par for the course on RHRC. Stick around…you’ll see.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You think that tampons go in the uterus and that women can insert their own IUDs. No one in their right mind would ever allow you in a medical profession.

          • Romi Elnagar

            It’s the new thing in medicine: self-medication. He’s just ahead of the crowd. (NOTE: This is sarcasm.)

          • fiona64

            I work in NYC and do you know how many infants I’ve seen die purely of opiate withdrawal in the past 10 years? None.

            That’s because you’re not a doctor. But we all know that.

          • Russell Byrd

            I think you already proved beyond all doubt that you have z-e-r-o credibility. Right or wrong, there is no reason anyone should listen to you. Of course, we know that you are indeed wrong.

            http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/how-come-princeton-doesnt-have-a-med-school.682381/

          • BelligerentBruncher

            What? Princeton doesn’t have a med school??

            They lied to me.

            Hey, did you know that they took the word “gullible” out of the dictionary? Check it. It’s true.

          • lady_black

            There aren’t any babies dying in your mom’s basement.

          • lady_black

            See? I told you he’s a liar. He’s no doctor.

          • L-dan

            That would be 5×5 back again. I’d place actual money on that bet.

            Jumping in with an ad hominem with no actual substance pertaining to the article just to start off some shouting? check

            Pulling medical facts out of their ass and a quick skim of some online resources with no actual background to back up analysis of said sites? check

            And finally, tossing off blatantly false ‘credentials’ when pressed? check.

            So yes. A proven liar and nothing but a troll.

          • fiona64

            Yep, he outed himself the other day with his usual crap about “have you started a foundation to help those women.”

          • Alicia Zarycki

            I wish more people took the seriousness of opioid withdrawal seriously for pregnant women.

            Having had to go through pregnancies while on opioid treatment it was terrifying how many less informed medical professionals will try to intervene with a patient’s medical treatments and force complete cessation of opiods than act shocked that the pregnancy and mother are in serious danger healthwise.

          • Russell Byrd

            ROTFL!

          • catseye

            Yeah, RIIIIIIIGHT……And I’m Antonin Scalia.

          • fiona64

            From his bunghole, the same place he gets everything else.

        • mamasnothappy1

          Belligerent Basshole

        • kitler

          You are full of shit.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Is that a professional diagnosis? I’ll bet you never looked at a patient’s intestinal tract in your life!

          • kitler

            I am a professional.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Sorry about that comment. I had you confused with Belligerant.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Sorry about my reply. I thought it was Belligerant posting.

          • kitler

            I stick by my claim..I iz a professional!

            I’m this guy, in fact:

            http://deadderrickdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/leon-poster.jpg

            I uh, debate abortion in my spare time;P

          • Shan

            Your name change had me really confused on the article about the MRA conference the other day.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Doctors are professional killers?
            Oh, I guess abortion doctors are.
            Oops, I’m starting to sound like one of those shrieking harpies outside a clinic.

        • Romi Elnagar

          If you really were a doctor, you wouldn’t have time to read articles like this, let alone reply to them.

          • lady_black

            He isn’t a doctor. And he’s lying about what I said.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Of course. I have many doctors in my family and none of them has the time to read so much as the newspaper, let alone obscure blogs like this one.
            AND they can spell.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, he’s not a doctor. He claims to be an engineer, though he only has ‘some college’–meaning he was too lazy to get a degree. Just ignore him.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Thanks.

          • Russell Byrd

            That bit of college was probably some of the dirt off the floor he was sweeping.

          • fiona64

            He’s not a doctor; he’s a teenaged MRA troll. Ignore him.

          • Romi Elnagar

            Yes, I should have remembered, “Don’t feed the trolls.” Thanks.

        • Romi Elnagar

          This is simply not true.

        • Debbie Gladstone-warnke

          that is not true and obviously you do not know all the facts. due to a personal situation,I can assure you that babies at 24 weeks do die from opiate withdrawal and mmt withdrawal.Please do not say the baby will be fine unless you can guarantee that 100%.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            She wasn’t even on a MMT. Read the story.

      • BelligerentBruncher

        Hey, just wondering if you noticed that the author got “likely to end in stillbirth” thing 100% wrong and had to edit it?

        Hmm….

        • Dez

          While legal experts can debate whether or not Guadalupe County has the legal ability to withhold methadone treatment from De Samito without violating her constitutional rights or Texas law, the medical reality, according to expert testimony and decades of evidence-based research, is that without the methadone therapy, the baby De Samito is expecting—which she has named Alice—is at serious risk of not surviving.

          Hint the part about the methadone therapy. Without it she would have most likely lost the pregnancy. She got it now, so the risk is lowered. Please read the article before commenting.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            “Without it she would have most likely lost the pregnancy”

            There is no evidence to support that claim.

          • Dez

            Yes there is. It’s in the article. You would know that if you read the article and followed the links. You’re purposefully ignorant.

    • expect_resistance

      Lair!

    • Dez

      You think it’s okay for a woman to miscarry as punishment for doing drugs. Sick bastard.

  • Jacob R. Raitt, R.Ph, Ph.D

    Pro-life? Texas? Can’t use the 2 terms in the same sentence. There is little in Texas that upholds life once the baby is born. There is NOTHING in Texas to support women. And here is an instance where Texas is doing its best to kill mother and unborn child.

  • Michael Robert Morrissey

    If someone is considered to have violated the law in Texas why is Texas also punishing the persons unborn child? This is a little too much like the Nazi Party’s “Final Solution”

  • dagobarbz

    Isn’t it illegal to “murder” an embryo in Texass?

    • smallbear

      IOKYAR

      • Romi Elnagar

        This is a new one to me, so I looked it up. Do you mean IOKIYAR?

    • Romi Elnagar

      Only if you’re not in prison.

    • lasbotellas

      Only if you’re a woman who doesn’t want to be punished for having sex with a pregnancy.

  • mudshark12

    They spent too much time outdoors in the sun and cooked their brains in Guadalupe County, Texas!

  • Romi Elnagar

    Denying pregnant women necessary medical care is GENOCIDE. RH Reality Check needs to take this abuse to THE UNITED NATIONS.

  • Romi Elnagar

    The American College of Obstreticians and Gynecologists Committee Opinion states, “Abrupt discontinuation of opioids in an opioid-dependent pregnant woman can result in preterm labor, fetal distress, or fetal demise. During the intrapartum and postpartum period, special considerations are needed for women who are opioid dependent to ensure appropriate pain management, to prevent postpartum relapse and a risk of overdose, and to ensure adequate contraception to prevent unintended pregnancies.”

    http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Health-Care-for-Underserved-Women/Opioid-Abuse-Dependence-and-Addiction-in-Pregnancy

    • bccrn

      Your mistake here is in assuming that our prison system makes decisions based on actual facts and researched data. It’s all about punitive action. In this case, the “dirty little drug addict” deserves what she gets. BWAHAHAHA!

  • 3cyndi23

    Parolled in February and she is already 24 wks pregnant?

    • BelligerentBruncher

      Junkies will do that. But leave it to RHRC to try and gain sympathy for this lady.

      Did you notice how they tried to play up the “she’s a Vet,” “she has PTSD” bull?

      Nope. She’s just a standard junkie, angry that she’s not getting enough of her fix and trying to convince the world that her baby is in danger (it isn’t).

    • Shan

      Well, what’s the first thing YOU’D do when you got out after being locked up for 3 years?

      • BelligerentBruncher

        Get high. Oh, yeah, she did that.

        • Shan

          Didja read the article at all? She was released in February and “Shortly thereafter, De Samito became pregnant and began attempting to
          self-medicate with methadone and heroin to prevent withdrawal while
          trying to find and enroll in a nearby methadone maintenance treatment
          (MMT) program”

          Going into withdrawal AFTER being released indicates to me that she was somehow able to use inside. The timeline also makes me wonder whether she got pregnant there, too. If those things are true, that’s a hellova lot of failure on the part of the people who were supposed to have custody of her.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Or, ya know, failure on her part.

          • Shan

            So she should be punished with a miscarriage? Nice.

          • BelligerentBruncher

            Doesn’t sound like she’s had a miscarriage. Nice hyperbole though.

          • Shan

            Or just make her suffer through withdrawal. That’s nice, too.

          • fiona64

            Dudebro don’t give a shit …

          • Dez

            Read the article. She will have a miscarriage if she does not get treatment. Yes she should not have being doing drugs, but the concern now is that she not lose her baby.

            While legal experts can debate whether or not Guadalupe County has the legal ability to withhold methadone treatment from De Samito without violating her constitutional rights or Texas law, the medical reality, according to expert testimony and decades of evidence-based research, is that without the methadone therapy, the baby De Samito is expecting—which she has named Alice—is at serious risk of not surviving.

      • 3cyndi23

        IF she were released on February FIRST and got pregnant THAT DAY, she would only be 22.5 wks along. Conjugal visits?

        I certainly wouldn’t have sex the first thing out…… lol

        • Shan

          “Conjugal visits?”

          Or male staff.

        • lady_black

          No, actually if she got pregnant that day she would be 24.5 weeks along. Pregnancy is counted from the FDLMP because no one actually knows when conception takes place.

          • 3cyndi23

            Actually, we do know when conception takes place. Back to my original question: IF she got out on the first day of Feb., and IF she was ovulating, and IF she had sex with an active sperm man – she would be 22.5 wks when this article were written.

            Isn’t she on Tricare? Blame it on the VA.

            Now, she is so concerned about her baby? What about when she was doing the illegal drugs? She needs to stop prescribing herself meds and go to a dr. No accountability.

          • Shan

            “she would be 22.5 wks when this article were written.”

            Only if pregnancy is counted from conception. It’s not because it’s not possible to easily know when it happens. So it’s counted from the first day of the last menstrual period, as lady_black (a nurse, by the way) pointed out because that’s something that CAN be known.

            “She needs to stop prescribing herself meds and go to a dr. No accountability.”

            Maybe you should write her a letter and tell her what you think she should be doing and what would constitute “accountability” as far as you’re concerned. I’m sure that’ll help her situation SO much.

          • bccrn

            Who gives a rat’s ass when she got pregnant? Sheesh. Quit arguing over nonsense and let’s just deal with the problem.

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            i know exactly when conception of my daughter occurred

          • dudebro

            Did you feel the microscopic blastocyst as it implanted in your uterine lining?

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            yup

          • dudebro

            How exactly?

          • lady_black

            Horse hockey.

          • lady_black

            Only if it was by IVF. Otherwise you don’t have a clue, because conception is not detectable.

  • disqus_7XeFokRE9B

    Let not the wrongs of a parent be visited upon the innocent.

  • DannyJane

    Why hasn’t anyone discussed the fact that this woman is a veteran and that this is a prime example of how cuts to the VA are a disgrace to those who served in uniform? In a right-thinking country this woman wouldn’t have had to turn to illegal drugs to deal with her trauma. Her mental, physical and prepartum health should have been covered for free by the agency created to do just that.

    But of course, it’s all Obama’s fault, isn’t it?

    • Shan

      Hey, there, Your Majesty! *curtsies*

      • DannyJane

        Hey there Our loyal subject

        • Shan

          In case anyone didn’t notice, DannyJane is a friend of mine. We’ve known each other for over 10 years and she’s a good egg! I hope she decides to hang around here occasionally!

          • kitler

            So she’s a fellow Nazi!

            Cool. Welcome aboard Danny!

          • DannyJane

            Thank you for the kind welcome but be careful who you call a Nazi. Hard memories lie in that direction.

          • kitler

            DJ: its a running joke around here. We are accused of being Hitler at least 2x a week. Not kidding.

            And some of our members are the children of survivors

          • DannyJane

            I will keep that in mind, but it remains a source of discomfort.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Good to see you here :)

          • kitler

            Understood.

            And good to see you here. Your pal Shan is awesome sauce:)

          • DannyJane

            That she is. Shan has always been awesomeness dipped in awesome sauce. I guess that’s why we call her saucy! ;-)

          • Alicia Zarycki

            We are also told that we are irresponsible too. Abortion is irresponsible, adoption is irresponsible, having a baby and raising it is irresponsible. Using birth control is irresponsible, being sterile voluntarily is irresponsible, not using birth control is irresponsible, etc. Basically there is absolutely nothing women are allowed to do of their own will that is considered responsible.

          • Ella Warnock

            This is a paragraph full of truthiness, for sure. Simply existing as a female is probably the most irresponsible thing of all. I should have stayed in the womb; that’s the last time forced-birthers classified me as a person in my own right.

          • Jennifer Jonsson

            You could become a corporation…

          • Ella Warnock

            Hmm, maybe pro-choice women should start incorporating themselves. And I’ve got a few, ah, ‘religious’ ideals to uphold that require the subjugation of others who don’t subscribe to it. I should be golden according to the current laws of the land.

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            ha!

          • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

            only obedience is responsible

  • carolrhill814

    I really don’t know what to say but to me if this will happen to her baby they should give it to her because they know what the end result will be.

    It is really sad that she even used drugs in the very first place because that is why all of this even happened and that is fact nobody is willing to speak about.

    • lady_black

      Yes it is sad. And it also IS what it is. Now, what to do about it. Wishing it weren’t so, and ruminating on it is a spectacular fail.

    • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

      she shouldn’t have gone to war in the first place, because the wars the u.s. sends soldiers into are ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and for profit

  • Shan

    Um, there’s not going to BE a baby if she doesn’t get the treatment she needs.

  • Zitake

    The methadone treatment is not for Jessica’s benefit but for the baby! If Jessica goes into withdrawal so will the baby and the consequences could be death for the baby. Whether the baby should be raised by Jessica or not is a whole different story.

  • DannyJane

    Thank you all for the welcome. It’s actually a very good place and strongly in line with my thinking.

  • kitler

    catholic troll Defensor Vitae called us Nazi bitches multiple times…

    Somebigguy kept talking about how we are all just like Hitler..

    And Thomas joined in with more of the same

    Good times!

    Edit: can’t forget the planned parenthood DEATH CAMPS!

  • expect_resistance

    He’s completely full of shit. He’s been busted lying over and over again. He’s just here to troll.

  • fiona64

    The purpose of adoption is not to supply some random family who can’t be bothered to adopt one of the 100K children currently available for adoption (some 65K of which are in Texas, BTW), but to provide for the child.

    If this woman cannot have her methadone, there is not going to *be* a baby.

    You need to stop yelling about adoption and start learning about why people self-medicate.

  • fiona64

    He’s an angry teenaged dudebro MRA … who reminds me just a little too much of Elliot Rodger for comfort.

  • Alicia Zarycki

    As a mother who has been on opioid treatment for my chronic pain and tried to go without as many meds possible, I had trouble carrying pregnacies without certain medicine including my opioid treatment. The risks of going without made the pregnancy extremely difficult to carry due to the pain and stress. However the risks to a baby are greater with the mother going without than with even if the baby is born addicted. The mother can reduce the withdrawal symptoms and dangers by breastfeeding for a short time and the levels are low enough to ease the withdrawal and not contribute to a addiction. PTSD is a terrible mental health problem and that with lasting injuries from serving the country can lead many veterans into self-medication with street drugs. Especially when the VA has shown itself to be terrible in taking care of our veterans.

  • lady_black

    Wouldn’t that be the fault of those doing the blocking?

    • Robert Hiller

      Liberal revisionist propaganda! For shame, he was also resposible for the Hendinburg, the Titanic, and Pearl Harbor, Mt St Helens eruption and the drought.
      PS This is a dig at Konservative Teabillies.

      • lady_black

        You need that sarcasm tag = /s
        You realize there really are people who think it’s Obama’s fault just for being there, right?

  • J.D.

    Gestational slavers. Call a control-freak spade a control-freak spade.

  • Shan

    Glad to hear you got the help you needed!

  • J STREETER

    If your going to write a story, lets make sure we write the true story. This isn’t her 1st case hurting a child due to her drug addiction. This is her 2nd child. She has already abandoned a little boy due to her drug addiction. This wouldn’t be fair to this baby girl, she will never get to live a normal life. Her little boy doesn’t get to live a normal life because of her. Why make another baby suffer. #NO JUSTICE FOR JESSICA

    • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

      so, you completely ignore the source of her misery, which led her to drug use, eh? ptsd … having participated in an illegal war on behalf of a warmongering country, come home to no access to treatment for her ptsd … but, y’know, judge away, as your jezus taught you to do …

  • http://wiseoldsnail.org/ wiseoldsnail

    they already know all this . they don’t care

  • Vanessa Harris

    This story was 1st published on July 9th– I wonder what the status of mother & baby is now?

    • BelligerentBruncher

      Mother is still a junkie.

      Baby doesn’t exist. It’s just a clump of cells.

  • catseye

    Pro-FORCED-birth.

  • catseye

    I’d like to borrow that word, “Teanderthal”. It’s priceless.

    • Robert Hiller

      There is no problem, I found it on another Liberal Facebook page. There is Teathugicans also. Don’t use Tealaban often, I feel it is defamation of the Taliban itself, they have enough problems.

      • catseye

        I just like to acknowledge the source when I crib something. Thanx.