• jruwaldt

    Also, in a criminal case, the prosecution has to prove itself beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, the plaintiff only has to prove their case based on a preponderance of evidence, a much lower standard.

  • wraiththirteen

    I always find it ironic when the abortion for profit crowd claims that they are pro choice since 64% of women who have abortions (thats 2 out of 3 women who have an abortion) say that they wanted to have the child but were pressured by a third party into have an abortion. see this study

    Induced abortion and traumatic stress: A preliminary comparison of American and Russian women

    Vincent M. Rue, Priscilla K. Coleman, James J. Rue, David C. Reardon

    Med Sci Monit 2004;10(10): SR5-16

    Lets be honest the people who are really really for abortion either get rich from it (planned parenthood and democrats) or they think humans need a massive population deduction. You can not seriously claim to be for women and for abortion when most women having abortions didnt have a choice.

    • goatini

      //64% of women who have abortions (thats 2 out of 3 women who have an abortion) say that they wanted to have the child but were pressured by a third party into have an abortion//

      Not true. Also insulting. Women have agency and are able to make their own decisions.

    • kitler

      There is more money in childbirth.

    • Jennifer Starr

      Not a valid study. Only 548 subjects in the sample size–not enough to be representative of squat and Rue, Coleman, and Reardon are all anti-choice nutjobs. http://scathinglywrongrightwingnutz.blogspot.com/2010/04/97-of-fetus-fetishists-make-sht-up_18.html

    • fiona64

      Faulty methodology in your study, sweetie, and it was conducted by anti-choicers who started with the desired outcome and stretched very, very hard to find evidence to suit it.

      If you want to play the ‘let’s be honest’ game, start with yourself. You clearly do not understand the realities involved. Such as, that 60 percent of women seeking abortions already have one or more children at home. That the primary reasons given for terminating a pregnancy (not that it is required to do so) is either contraception failure or that the woman cannot afford more children at the time. http://www.webmd.com/women/tc/abortion-reasons-women-choose-abortion

      Oh, and that no one is getting rich from abortion. The real money is in labor and delivery and, of course, the for-profit adoption industry. http://www.adoptionbirthmothers.com/adoption-industry-13-billion-in-profits/

      • Lynn

        “The primary reasons given for terminating a pregnancy is either contraception failure or that the woman cannot afford more children at the time”? I guess there goes the argument that free contraception means fewer abortions!

        • fiona64

          Only if you’re a total dimwit. What part of contraceptive *failure* was so hard for you to understand? All forms of contraception, including surgical sterilization, can and do fail.

      • L’Anne

        Also– 10 year old study in a journal with a low impact factor.

    • Shelly L Mason Matson

      im guessing your a man with no uterus?? NOT YOUR BUSINESS!

    • Cait McKnelly

      Vince Rue is a VERY well known anti-choice nutjob. The fact that you quoted a study with his name attached to it says much.

    • Gradus Quia

      Every single attempt at refuting your post (so far) has math, logic, or integrity errors (just making it up). I printed this page out, and offered my Philosophy 101 students $9 for any entry they could find which wasn’t flawed with invalid reasoning. They eliminated every one.

      • kitler

        I call bullshit on that.

      • JB

        Wheaton College prof, perhaps? Have you ever offered your students $9 to find flaw with St. Thomas Aquinas’ “proof”?

      • Jennifer Starr

        You sound like a terrible teacher.

      • fiona64

        You’re funny.

    • Kathryn Ranieri

      All these so-called researchers stand in disrepute among the medical, science and academic communities. In other words, don’t bother reading their work. Flawed through and through.

    • Suba gunawardana

      Who’s holding a gun to women’s heads & making them have abortions again? And if they do, why aren’t the forced-birthers having a field day with it?

  • kitler

    Rather ironic then how anti-choicers dismiss PC exposes of lying CPCs.

    • MarkSebree

      Well, of course anti-choice advocates don’t like having the CPCs exposed for what they are. The CPCs “are doing God’s work”, and telling the woman who go there what the anti-choice advocates want the women to hear. That is the same reason why anti-choice advocates do not want any regulations against the CPCs requiring them to advertise that they perform abortions, will not give the women ALL the available medical options, and usually have no medical staff on site.

      And before any anti-choice advocate tries to state that removing the TRAP laws would mean that women’s clinics that perform abortions would then be unregulated, remember that they would still remain medical clinics. They would still be subject to the same regulations as any other OB-GYN clinic or outpatient minor surgery clinic.

      • Arachne646

        In Canada, we don’t have any laws specific to abortion, the providers, etc., yet we have no problems at all with “unregulated clinics”. (We have more trouble with unlicensed dentists, since dental care is not part of universal medicare, and is very expensive) Pregnancy terminations are almost always covered by medicare, with no copay, and our rate of abortions is lower than in the US.

        • MarkSebree

          You also have comprehensive sex-ed classes for your adolescents as well as contraceptives covered by your insurance without any questions asked. You do not have a major far right wing religious political party working to prevent these things, and succeeding.

          And with these same anti-scientists working at denying global warming, and working to prevent any effective steps to curb it, Canada will soon enjoy the same pleasant weather that the Midwest enjoys, while pretty much all of the USA will be “enjoying” the weather that is common in the Deep South, SouthEast, and SouthWest.

  • edwinna

    I’ve had it with these punks. There are some easy and obvious solutions for this. Just exercise your Constitutional rights.

  • Proartist

    Huge difference in civil rights movements to OPEN and EXPAND the liberty and rights of living, breathing human beings and a movement to REMOVE the rights of the same.

    • kitler

      Pfft. Women are not people.

      • StealthGaytheist

        Nope. Merely broodsows for Jesus.

        • kitler

          I was just told by one, on SPL, that fertile women don’t have the right to privacy, because ‘someone else (a zygote) is involved’


          • StealthGaytheist

            By that logic, no parent has a right to privacy.

  • Arachne646

    I find it telling that a big benefit of civil suits, even if they’re unsuccessful, is that, in discovery, the anti-choice side gets to subpoena reams of medical records, only faintly or tangentially relevant to the case, in order to open up many, many women’s confidential lives to scrutiny and dissuade them from seeking medical care at a real healthcare clinic. Perhaps some pills from the Mexican swapmeet, or some underground house of horrors like Kermit Gosnell’s where your name doesn’t matter.

  • goatini

    Wraith13 was the one pulling that BS out of his rear aperture – he, of course, is alluding to the imaginary Bad Menz that the mandatory gestation crowd made up. The mandatory gestation crowd has this crazy idea that women are not very bright and have no self-determination – so we would NEVER want to terminate a pregnancy, unless some Bad Menz “made” us do it. Someone needs to give these nut jobs a pro-tip: women are not livestock.

  • Nell Webbish

    Clearly the answer is for pro-choice activists to target Crisis Pregnancy Centers in the same manner.

    • Everybodhi

      I try to call a “Pregnancy Center” at least once every week with my questions.
      I’m a curious gramma.

  • Suba gunawardana

    Time to bombard the CPCs & expose all their lies.

  • http://aikenareaprogressive.blogspot.com/ jovan1984

    CPCs telling lies all over North Carolina and Georgia. I’m sure they don’t want to go down this road, because once they start going on the Lila Rose route, then we’re gonna pay them back by doing what NARAL did in NC at CPCs.

    • StealthGaytheist

      But CPCs have the right to lie, because Jesus.

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