Do Women Need to Manipulate Men Sexually to Get Them to Behave? No


Anti-choice activists are well aware that their position would be seriously undermined if the public understood the misogyny that actually drives their movement, so they try to argue that they aren’t out to attack women’s rights, but rather to help us. You see, we’re poor dears who are too dumb to know what’s good for us, so our rights have to be stripped since we can’t be trusted to use them responsibly.

This philosophy comes out in many forms, but a favorite is to argue that abortion rights—and contraception access—allow men to “use” women for sex. Only by taking away women’s reproductive rights, the thinking goes, can women do what we supposedly all want: tie a man down into a guilt-based marriage and start having babies.

Mike Schouten of Life News coughed up a fairly pristine version of this stereotype in an article purporting to explain why men show more support for abortion rights than women. (Which, by the way, isn’t true. Slightly more men than women take a moderate view of abortion rather than a hardline anti-choice stance, but men and women are roughly equal in their support for abortion rights.) His theory is that men love abortion because it means they get to have sex without having to take responsibility.

Philippa Taylor is the Head of Public Policy at the Christian Medical Fellowship in the UK. She says, “We have to consider the possibility that perhaps women are not always making choices that they really want to make, as men absolve themselves of their responsibility in decision- making. A choice is no choice if there are not equal (supported) alternatives.”

Canada’s unfettered access to abortion allows men to live with this attitude; an attitude that shows complete lack of regard for the woman they have impregnated and a callousness that is quite frankly, repulsive.

This is hardly a fringe theory on the right. On the contrary, it’s a widespread conservative belief that men cannot really love women and that women find sex degrading and repulsive (but desperately want men to marry us). The idea is that men will try to get away with having as much sex as they can without committing to a woman, and women have to try to game the system by withholding sex to extract a promise of a loveless but legal marriage. Romantic, no?

Reproductive rights screw the whole system up, according to this theory, because men know a woman doesn’t have to be pregnant and therefore cannot be guilt-tripped into a shotgun marriage. Women, always assumed to be too stupid to act in their own interest, are therefore assumed to be having all this sex they don’t like, foolishly thinking it will get them married. But, as the conservative theory goes, men don’t marry unless they have to, so women are left bereft, with no leverage to extract wedding rings from the unwilling.

It’s hard sometimes to say who social conservatives loathe more: men or women.

Women withholding sex to force men into marriage explains for conservatives more than just their views on reproductive rights, it turns out. W. Bradford Wilcox and Robin Fretwell Wilson, writing for the Washington Post, tried to argue that women have the power to end not just domestic violence but all sorts of violence by shutting their legs until they successfully get a guy to marry them. The piece came decked out with an offensive headline, which was quickly changed.

But the basic premise of the article remained the same: Men are dogs who will do whatever they want—in this case, by beating women and children—unless women bring them in line with the magic power of marriage. Unwanted pregnancy, domestic violence—is there anything that manipulating people into loveless marriages won’t fix?

Of course, as many writers swiftly pointed out, there’s zero evidence that getting married turns bad guys, especially abusers, into loving husbands. FiveThirtyEight reached out to Shannon Catalano, the employee of the Bureau of Justice Statistics whose chart regarding marriage and domestic violence rates was used by Wilcox and Wilson in the Post, and she denounced them heartily for misinterpreting her data. “The graph which they used from my report does show clear differences between intimate violence rates — but that is because it is only showing one variable; household composition,” she wrote. “The story could change if we started to control for other factors.”

Mona Chalabi at FiveThirtyEight added, “To put the point more plainly: ‘the marrying kind tend to be more educated, wealthier and whiter,’ so the focus on marriage should come with some exploration of the fact that education, income and race could also partly explain trends in intimate violence.”

In other words, the same factors that lower your rates of violence raise your chances of marrying. It’s not that marriage intrinsically has the power to “man-tame.”

What this shows is that, with social conservatives, we’re dealing with a view of heterosexual romance that assumes men and women are fundamentally at odds, imagining men as selfish and even violent hedonists and women as priggish police officers who bring unruly men into line by manipulating them sexually.

But a national survey of over 5,000 men and women on their views of marriage and dating shows that the belief that men and women are opposites, and that women have to force men to pretend to love and to commit to marriage and children, isn’t true at all. Men and women are both interested in getting married and having children, and both are interested in sex for its own sake. It turns out that men and women are complex people who want a variety of experiences over a lifetime, but they basically want the same thing. There’s no need to trick men into marriage and kids. In fact, the survey found that among childless singles men wanted children more than women.

Another finding: Across all age groups, women wanted more personal space and time apart from a partner than men. In other words, the stereotype of “clingy” women and “reluctant” men may be backwards.

It’s clear that, despite conservative protestations to the contrary, these theories that men and women are at odds are not about getting men under control, but getting women under control. If women feel OK about premarital sex and not particularly worried about getting a husband, they will have more energy in their youth to spend on developing their careers and finding independence, which is clearly threatening to conservatives.

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  • purrtriarchy

    Its partly dog whistle politics as well. They can’t come out and say that they want to roll women’s rights back to an imaginary 1950s utopia – so they pretend to be feminist, attack abortion and contraception rights instead.

    “A real feminist always gives birth”

    “A real feminist marries young”

    “A real feminist tolerates abuse”

    And so on. They turn the “strong, capable, independent feminist” idea on its head, and say that the above are best expressed through Leave it to Beaver female subservience.

    They do the same to minorities. Blacks are now the oppressors cuz they want to vote fairly..women are now slaveowners because abortion is legal…and so on.

    • JamieHaman

      Standing ovation!

    • Thomas

      FACT: the first feminists were pro-life.
      The rest of this comment needs citations.

      • kitler

        Only because unsafe abortion killed women.

        • Thomas

          No, because they valued life.

          • kitler

            Nope.

          • Thomas

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life_feminism

            http://www.feministsforlife.org/herstory/

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life-feminism

            “We explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way – no matter how early it was performed, it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way – it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.’ – Margaret Sanger

            ‘I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.’ – Margaret Sanger

            ‘When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new race. There will be no killing of babies in the womb by abortion, nor through neglect in foundling homes, nor will there be infanticide.’ – Margaret Sanger

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We all know Sanger opposed abortion. Go mansplain feminism and reproductive rights somewhere else.

          • Suba gunawardana

            “Life” includes far more than just the life in the womb.

            If you value the life of human zefs above the life and well-being of all other individuals (including the women carrying the zefs; the children the zefs would become if forced to be born; and all the non-humans killed to feed to new unwanted human lives) then you are automatically ANTI-LIFE, and Pro-suffering.

          • Thomas

            We value both, the mother and the life she carries inside of her. You value you/you/you and that imagined suffering.

            The way you dehumanize your own existence and reduce human offspring will eventually get at your conscience. I’ve seen that before.

            You harbor so much hate….

          • Suba gunawardana

            IMAGINED suffering? Tell that to the over 100K children waiting for homes in foster care; hundreds neglected & dying while thousands age out never getting a home. Tell that to the children being abused every 10 seconds, and the 4 or more children dying from abuse every day (in the US alone, and the REPORTED cases alone). Tell that to the millions of children scroungng for scraps all over the world, and of course, the ones “adopted” by religious nuts in the US being raped beaten & brainwashed on a daily basis.

            Logically there’s no way you can value an unwanted zef AND the woman carrying the unwanted zef at the same time. If you value one, you automatically devalue the other.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Knowing you have no argument now you try to play armchair psychologist. Give it up, you have neither the head nor the heart for it.

            A whole lotta projection going on. You words bleed hatred. And you are trying to assign others your guilt. What did you do that has made you so hate filled and…guilt ridden? You mitigate real suffering and want to instill your own. You use forced birth as a cover for your cruelty.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You come anywhere near my babies to “value” them and I will introduce you to my Glock.

          • fiona64

            Liar. You don’t value jack-shit. You are all about “oooh, life,” until an actual child exists, and then it’s “cut programs! cut programs!” and rants about “welfare queens having more babies for money.”

            You’re the one harboring hate … for women you can’t control. Learn to live with the disappointment.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Which first feminists are you referring to?

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        FACT: the first feminists were male.
        Everybody is PRO LIFE.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Which feminists were those? Which ones in your mind were the “first.”

  • TheBrett

    What’s also perverse about the “men are dogs” argument is that it then ends up being a way to blame women if their husbands cheat on them or engage in other kinds of sleazy sexual behavior, particularly in conservative religious circles. They end up being accused of “not caring for his needs”, etc.

    I also hate the defensive “who me?” reaction they get when called on this type of “women are only in it for marriage” assholery. “Oh no, we’re not against women – we think women are awesome, nay better than men! That’s why we put the burden on them.”

    • DonnaDiva

      Interesting point about the Princeton Mom. I’ve noticed how all this deep interest in policing.female sexuality seems to drop off substantially once we hit the age where we’re no longer prime breeding stock. But it is very pronounced from our teens to early twenties and much of it seems to come from middle aged conservative men, which is creepy.

      • Thomas

        How is female sexuality “policed?” Evidence please.

        • fiona64

          Looks like someone doesn’t read the newspapers very often …

          • Thomas

            Are there laws against one-night stands? Perhaps pro-lifers peek in windows and/or monitor remotely? Any idea if there is any action taken in our society to curtail sexual activity for women (such as forced female genital mutilation)?

            As a feminist you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police (you know the ones who take action) and perhaps take up the cause of the oppressed women in that region. How about it?

            Please do not resort to telling me that speaking against irresponsible intercourse and otherwise advocating for sexual responsibility is considered “policing” female sexuality as this simply does not withstand any logical scrutiny.

            The freedom of expression in the United States allows both sides to have a debate, which simply it is. Convoluting the issue does not help, does it???

          • fiona64

            How many laws have been made and/or proposed regulating male reproductive rights, Thomas?

            Oh, yeah. That would be exactly ZERO.

            Do you really want to go down this road, Tommy? Because I will hurt your feelings.

          • Thomas

            “Abortion rights” stripped me (the male) of any rights to my own progeny. That “law” effectively took away my parental rights to the child I’ve created all in the name of “women’s reproductive rights.” I have no sayso in the matter. Does that not regulate my reproductive rights? Think about that, while you contemplate “hurting” my feelings ;) Your claims pale in comparison.

            If anything, you are making it easier on males to stand up to this feminist nonsense.

          • fiona64

            Okay, Tommy, let me make sure I understand your argument:

            — If you get a woman pregnant and she wants an abortion, you should be able to stop her from doing so (let’s ignore the fact that you would be assuming none of the physical risks of pregnancy for the sake of this discussion).
            — If you get a woman pregnant and you don’t want her to be, you should be able to force her to get an abortion.
            — If the woman stays pregnant and you don’t want her to, you shouldn’t have to pay child support.
            — If the woman stays pregnant because you wanted her to, you should be able to change your mind and not have to pay child support.

            Does that just about cover it?

            Maybe, just maybe, the answer is to have a conversation with any woman silly enough to want to sleep with you and find out what she would do in the event of a contraceptive failure. And then, you only have intercourse with women as anti-choice as yourself! Isn’t that easy?

          • Suba gunawardana

            LOL

          • Thomas

            YES, NO, NO, NO..
            we have advanced medically so that risks of pregnancy are minimal and very manageable.
            and the rest are self-explanatory.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Regarding your Yes to #1, I repeat my response from above.

            Aren’t you forgetting that your “rights to your progeny” involves the
            use of another person’s body, to which you apparently did not get
            consent?
            Are you claiming that you should have the right to use someone’s body WITHOUT their consent?

          • fiona64

            we have advanced medically so that risks of pregnancy are minimal and very manageable.

            No, actually, we have done no such thing. Pregnancy is far from being a state of wellness (speaking solely for myself, my wanted pregnancy almost killed me). In fact, sometimes I wish people like you would be forced to endure about two hours of the hyperemesis gravidarum that I had for 40 weeks. I think it would be enlightening for you.

            The US is #50 in maternal mortality, Tommy. #50. That means that countries like Bulgaria have better maternal mortality rates than we do. In fact, the US’s rate is actually getting *worse.* Just one of many sources on the matter: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/maternal-deaths-in-childbirth-rise-in-the-us/2014/05/02/abf7df96-d229-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html

            Of course, as I pointed out, it’s might easy for you to demand that a woman remain pregnant against her will, seeing as how you don’t have to assume any of those risks. Here are a few sources that show all of the risks that you want to demand that some random woman assume, and that will never affect you:

            http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm#n7
            http://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/you-are-pregnant/pregnancy-complications.html#b
            http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/commoncomplications.html
            http://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/Pages/complications.aspx

            I’m glad to be able to rectify this unfortunate gap in your education.

          • kitler

            So rape is acceptable as long as you are not physically hurt?

            And 1.3 million women are permanently injured from pregnancy per year in the USA.

          • fiona64

            PS: As of 2013, there were 700 new laws proposed and/or enacted that specifically regulated women’s sexuality. http://www.alternet.org/republicans-push-700-new-laws-regulate-womens-bodies

            As compared to the, you know, ZERO laws proposed and/or enacted that regulate men’s sexuality.

            You’re welcome.

          • Thomas

            You must not understand plain English. The laws discussed on that linked site specifically address LIMITS TO ABORTION. In case logic escapes, you realize that abortion IS after the woman takes full advantage of her sexuality, NOT before.

            Now how do those laws limit your ability to get it on considering that not a single one of them deals with that issue? Answer please.

          • fiona64

            Thomas, I really do hope you are being deliberately obtuse … because I do not like to believe anyone is really this stupid.

            Have you also, perhaps, missed the recent Hobby Lobby decision, as well as the 700 laws I cited that affect women’s access to contraception and a full range of other related health care?

          • Thomas

            You specifically stated that these laws regulate women’s sexuality, I did not miss a beat? I went on that website and found that the laws were only limiting abortion, did not miss a beat a second time :)

            You want contraception, sure, just pay for it yourself as this is only a lifestyle choice and not a medical necessity. Stay out of my pocket and Hobby Lobby’s too.

          • fiona64

            Hey, dumbfuck? Guess what? Laws limiting access to abortion and contraception *are* regulating women’s sexuality. Don’t play stupid.

            Oh, wait. Maybe you are that stupid.

            Contraception IS a medical necessity. It is part of preventive health for women. And, since you are clearly too stupid to understand how compensation packages work, let me help you: employees EARN those benefits in lieu of additional pay. Furthermore, employees pay for part of those benefits from their paychecks. You aren’t paying for anyone else’s health care, except in your stupid, misogynistic fantasy world.

            Which of your medical decisions should be made by your boss, Tommy?

          • Rainbow Walker

            Limiting contraception is regulating sexuality. It dictates what kind of sex and the protections people are afforded.

            “Stay out of my pocket and Hobby Lobby’s too.”

            Then stay out of my pocket and stop using federal funds for religion or religious beliefs. And HL is not paying for anything. We pay for insurance they don’t. So stop dictating how we spend our money.

            And this ruling will be overturned. It is in direct violation of the establishment clause.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Aren’t you forgetting that your “rights to your progeny” involves the use of another person’s body, to which you apparently did not get consent?

          • Thomas

            Again this Immaculate Conception argument? Are you sure your’e a feminist?

          • Suba gunawardana

            Consent to sex is just that, consent to sex alone. It does NOT involve an additional unspoken consent to be an incubator at your whim.

          • Thomas

            Absent any protection, the consent is implied. The question is: does the woman know that irresponsible sex may lead to pregnancy? If she does know and knocks her socks off anyway – she needs to take responsibility for her actions and carry the baby to term. Adoption is always an option. Better than killing your own progeny, I’d say…..

          • kitler

            Irresponsible sex is not a crime.

          • Thomas

            It’s not about whether something is a crime, it’s about taking responsibility for one’s actions that do not reduce you to being the murderer of the child you created. You are better than that….

          • Jennifer Starr

            No one’s talking about murdering children.

          • Thomas

            Abortion is murder Jennifer. No amount of mental gymnastics can change that. The life that has begun defines you. How you respond defines you more..

          • Jennifer Starr

            So what do you think the penalty should be for a woman who procures one?

          • Thomas

            I’m not as hard core as you think. It is a blemish on humanity that a woman would be driven to such “choice” or be in any way helped by those that are complicit.

            Ever heard of side-walk counselors and pregnancy centers. PCs do much more than any penalty would. The woman needs help and support to get through the pregnancy if only to give up the child for adoption to a couple who wants that child.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I’ve heard of fake clinics and sidewalk stalkers. Are you one of those, Thomas? And furthermore, no woman is obligated to carry a pregnancy for a couple who is too selfish to adopt one of the 100k children already available because they only ‘want a baby’.

          • Thomas

            You hearing about something does not mean it’s the case. Oh, but I know one fake “clinic” that purports to be specialize in “women’s healthcare.” Do you know the name?

          • Jennifer Starr

            I go to that women’s clinic for my pap smears. Will a fake clinic do that for me? Don’t think so.

          • Thomas

            Pap smears at a “clinic” that is not even up to code Jennifer. How is their exam room, state of the art. Share me the name of that PP “clinic” with me and I’ll tell you how many health code violations they had in the past year.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah, that’s personal information that is absolutely none of your concern.

          • Thomas

            If you were genuine about the PP “clinics” as remotely about women’s healthcare, you would not hide their code violations. As I said, the PP “clinic” you go to has many. That is a given with all PP “clinics.” Are you interested in knowing or in the name of abortion rights, are you willing to sacrifice so that PP can continue committing these health code violations???

          • Jennifer Starr

            There is such a thing as my private business. There is also such a thing as boundaries, which you don’t seem to comprehend. If I want to know information about my clinic, I can look it up for myself, and for all you know, I have. I don’t require your assistance. So on a need-to-know basis, you don’t need to know that.

          • fiona64

            Citation needed. From a reliable source.

            Or an admission to what we already know: that you’re a goddamned liar.

          • fiona64

            That’s particularly funny coming from a dudebro who promotes lying CPCs.

          • Suba gunawardana

            If you truly wish to prevent abortion, you should be putting all your energy into promoting CONTRACEPTION and SEX-ED.

            99% of the forced-birthers I met on these threads OPPOSE those very things that would reduce abortions. As do YOU, evident by your obvious approval of the HL ruling.

            So how can we take any forced-birthers seriously? Their real purpose is not by any means to “protect babies” but just to create as many children as possible (into substandard lives), and to punish women for having sex.

          • fiona64

            I’ve heard of fake, lying clinics and stalkers. Are you affiliated with a fake, lying clinic? We already know you’re a stalker.

          • Christine smith

            Bwahahaha ! You girls are getting slammed ! Reading these threads ?……….hysterical “the wisdom of the “FOOL” is in his mouth ,but the mouth of the wise is in his “HEART”

          • Suba gunawardana

            You still haven’t taken that vocabulary lesson? FYI, rebutting posts with logic is not synonyms with “getting slammed”. It would behoove you to look up words before using them :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Just watch–she’s going to blame her iPad again.

          • fiona64

            She just informed me that all of my arguments have been refuted … or, at least that’s what I think she said. Her grammar is so atrocious that it’s hard to figure out what the hell she’s writing … and the iPad doesn’t fuck up your grammar.

          • Jennifer Starr

            She doesn’t even know what the word refuted means, let alone how to perform that action.

          • fiona64

            I’m sorry; my nutter-to-English decoder ring is broken. Can someone translate this hot mess for me?

          • Christine smith

            Stop ,your killing me ! Give it up already .all your arguments have been defeated .you have nothing left except this kind of reply .

          • fiona64

            Nope, the decoder ring still isn’t working. I think I need to include the “correct crappy grammar on part of anti-choice nutter” feature on the next one I order; it might help.

          • fiona64

            Abortion is murder Jennifer. No amount of mental gymnastics can change that.

            The only mental gymnastics here are yours. As has already been explained to you, murder is the unlawful (illegal) taking of a person’s life with malice aforethought. Abortion is legal, and an embryo is not a person.

            You lose, sir. Good day. /Willie Wonka

          • fiona64

            Thomas, why don’t you go back to your little LieActionNews echo chamber of the stupid?

            But before you go, allow me to point out (yet again) that words have meanings. Murder is the unlawful (illegal) taking of a person’s life with malice aforethought. Abortion is legal, and a fetus is not a person.

            There. You learned two things today. That’s probably three more than you learned yesterday.

          • Thomas

            Abortion may be legal but is on very shaky grounds. You still have not grasped what the SCOTUS spelled out recently?

          • Suba gunawardana

            You seek to ban abortion, subjugate women and force a never-ending population of unwanted children into misery & suffering, then you wonder “what women are complaining about”?

            Wonder why I asked if you’d been in a coma?

          • Rainbow Walker

            It is by no means on shaky ground. After Casey declared the doctrine of stare decisis that means this court will never review Roe again. There has only been three times in the history of the
            court that the doctrine has ever been over turned. And that was after several precedents were set.

            Furthermore while the court does err it’s usually because they use religion, not the law to craft opinions. Hobby Lobby being an excellent example. With the approval rating of SCOTUS at
            an all-time low of 33% its proof positive people want to be free from religion and those who obfuscate the law with religion in direct violation of the establishment clause.

            There is no danger of Roe being overturned, ever. That’s why these religious nut politicians use back door trap laws to try and shut them down. It will back fire. Now that they are arguing a
            woman’s right under the fourth to an abortion even the restrictions will soon fall.

            Keep dreaming. For now we will make you and people like you a terrible reminder of the past.

          • Christine smith

            Really? They said the titanic will never sink ! Hmmmm you want to make GOD laugh ,tell him your plans. Oooooooh remember Wilberforce ? Step by step,inch by inch.oh ,and don’t forget medical technological advancements .A big HUGE yes to roe being overturned ! Maybe not in our day ,but it will happen

          • Suba gunawardana

            Does god laugh every time he performs an abortion?

          • Rainbow Walker

            Roe will never be overturned. Look up the doctrine of stare decisis. And now that they are putting other constitutional arguments in the mix, such as the 4th, so the restrictions will soon fall.

            Keep dreaming. Even the HL ruling will be overturned. Already Congress is working on it. It blatantly violated the establishment clause and those religious nuts on the court ignored it. Some are calling for their disbarment.

          • Christine smith

            Let’s duke it out lady . C’mon now.

          • Rainbow Walker

            You are dense. I already told you I’m a man.

            I already told you the facts. You can’t comprehend them. And duke out what? I would be fighting a defenseless person.

          • Jennifer Starr

            She’s not very bright–though actually that’s an understatement.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Yes she is. I would feel bad arguing with her if she didn’t have that mean streak.

          • Christine smith

            Oh I’m sorry it’s just that all your whining led me to believe you were a woman ! Enough said

          • Rainbow Walker

            It only took seven tries but you finally figure out my gender. Real slow on the uptake.

            “Oh I’m sorry it’s just that all your whining led me to believe you were a woman !”

            You hate your own gender. Not a surprise. So by your own logic being female all you’re doing is whining now? So let’s take a page from your book and stop bitching.

          • fiona64

            You are too stupid for color TV. In the highly unlikely event that a woman’s right to privacy in making medical decisions is overturned, do you really imagine that abortions will stop happening?

            What planet do you live on?

          • Christine smith

            Thomas ,these people are clueless ! It’s quite clear ,they are all over anti abortion threads for one reason and one reason only.they have too much of a vested interest,because they partook in some form of this holocaust and need to quell there conscience.. Their voracious in there quest! How many people on threads do you have some semblance of a normal dialogue .they can’t fight against the “DIVINE” and it’s killing them “they can’t get the fact that they consent to murder and viciously attack .no rhyme or reason.,no sense of morality ,no good argument against science ,no clue as to the dying breed of their philosophy

          • Thomas

            You speak the truth Ms. Smith. May God bless you and yours….

          • fiona64

            You two are delusional. Seek help … or get a room.

          • kitler

            http://imgur.com/a/JWBac

            Why don’t your precious CPCs give away boxes like thr above to women in a crisis pregnancy?

          • Rainbow Walker

            That’s your problem. You believe in an elf god. While we are finding mental illness to be mostly genetic, people with disorders are drawn to religion. You and Christine and the others of your hoard are prime examples of the research. Thank you for contributing to
            science.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I find it difficult to even translate this into English.

          • Christine smith

            Of course you can’t ! You can’t kill a conscience,that won’t stay dead

          • Jennifer Starr

            So are you saying that our consciences are like zombies? Want to watch Shaun of the Dead with me?

          • Christine smith

            Yes that’s about your speed

          • Jennifer Starr

            You don’t even know the movie I’m talking about, I bet.

          • fiona64

            If she did, she wouldn’t have been quite so quick to make an ass of herself.

            OTOH, making an ass of herself seems to be Christine’s stock in trade, so I could be wrong.

          • kitler

            Are you calling us mass murderers?

          • Christine smith

            Indeed!

          • Christine smith

            Absolutely

          • Jennifer Starr

            If she could only recall how to spell it….

          • Suba gunawardana

            How about answering at least one of my questions Christine?

            Considering your god loves abortion & performs billions of them himself, isn’t it “unchristian” oppose abortion?

          • Christine smith

            I did answer all you asked sweetheart, just look back on the posts.only problemwith you, you cant eexcept the truth

          • Suba gunawardana

            No you didn’t. Isn’t lying against your religion? (Oh I forgot, you know nothing about your religion.)

          • Christine smith

            No lovey lamb , when you find yourself some day, you will be awfully disappointed.

          • Suba gunawardana

            So you didn’t know lying was against your religion? Maybe you should read your magic book more often.

            Let’s try without the lies this time. Considering your god loves abortion & performs billions of them himself, isn’t it “unchristian” oppose abortion?

          • Christine smith

            Awww I’ll pray for you. Your so screwed up . Sorry

          • Suba gunawardana

            Sure god will hear your prayers? Isn’t he too busy killing all those baaybeees?

          • Jennifer Starr

            She doesn’t need to find herself, idiot. She knows precisely where she is.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Science? You wouldn’t know science if it bit you on the ass. And we are not a “dying breed”. You are. In the last decade alone atheist, agnostic or non-religious has grown by more than 15%. Churches
            over all income has steadily decreased over the last half century. Soon religion will be but a mournful memory.

          • Christine smith

            Bwahahaha ! Give me some of your pro choices stats I’ll give you my pro life stats let’s duke it out sister!

          • Rainbow Walker

            And you would lose. Of course you live in your own little world so you believe what the church tells you.

            BTW a man cannot be your sister. The others are correct. You do have a reading disability.

          • Christine smith

            Bwahahaha ! I thought so

          • Rainbow Walker

            Are you on something?

          • kitler

            Denying the woman her right to bodily autonomy and forcing her to risk life and limb is to treat her as a criminal.

            And if the pregnancy kills her, you have essentially sentenced her to death for the crime of having sex while female.

          • fiona64

            you to being the murderer of the child you created.

            Accusing Kitler of murder, Tommy? I’d watch out for the glass house you live in.

          • kitler

            Denying a woman her bodily autonomy for having sex IS punishment sweetie.

          • Suba gunawardana

            As I already pointed out and you failed to rebut: Your right to protect your body is NOT diminished or negated by the fact that the invasion may have been the result of your own actions.

            If you get assaulted/mugged/raped as a result of walking UNPROTECTED in a dangerous neighborhood, are you OBLIGATED to allow the attack to go on, because “it was your own fault for walking there to begin with”?

            Simply: you are NOT bound by every undesirable consequence of your actions (unless your action was illegal). Your irresponsibility does NOT diminish/negate your right to protect yourself, or to seek a remedy for the undesirable consequence of your action.

            Oh and NO, consent to unprotected sex absolutely does NOT mean consent to gestational slavery. (Although I do consider unprotected sex irresponsible, by NO MEANS does it bind you to slavery).

          • Thomas

            The question than is, what kind of a human does that make you? One that is so self-centered and unaware of the larger picture. Do you need your own island :)

          • Suba gunawardana

            No it’s YOU who’s unaware of the vast misery you are promoting, for living breathing sentient CHILDREN who never asked to be born into abuse & neglect.

          • Thomas

            Did you ask to be born and yet YOU ARE. Do you regret having been born???

          • Suba gunawardana

            You are forgetting that I wasn’t UNWANTED. I was wanted, welcomed and loved, therefore there’s no reason to regret being born.

            If however I WERE unwanted, and my only options were abortion or adoption by religious nuts, I would be screaming “kill me now!!!”

          • Thomas

            It’ all a big unknown I agree. How can you know though? Not knowing and choosing a death sentence for your offpsring because s/he may not be wanted. You rely on maybes. Is that how feminists reason???

          • Suba gunawardana

            For the tenth time: A child is abused every 10 seconds in the US alone. 4 or more children die from abuse every day in the US alone. The US foster system is flooded; over 100K children waiting for homes, hundreds DYING of neglect while waiting; thousands aging out of the system never getting a home. Even with those babies who ARE sold to the highest bidder in the meat market, there’s absolutely no guarantee they won’t end up being a sex-slave for some religious nut. (Considering just the REPORTED incidents of abuse of adopted children. )

            And you ask me to knowingly put my child out there to suffer THIS fate? With a straight face? Think again. Think honestly this time, from the pov of the living breathing children.

          • fiona64

            Little Tommy doesn’t care about actual, breathing, living children. He cares about controlling women.

            But we all know that.

          • goatini

            “Offspring” have “offsprung”, i.e., ALREADY BEEN BORN.

          • Rainbow Walker

            It’s not a question of whether she or you or I regret having been born. It’s the children who are abandoned, abused and neglected. And they will tell you they wished they hadn’t [if they are alive]. That’s why they try to jump in front of buses or drink drain cleaner, or jump off buildings. I wish I could post pix of their mangled bodies to get it through to you.

          • Thomas

            Yes that is precisely the question that needs to be answered by this blog’s participants. Otherwise you’re only making yourselves the final arbiters of whether the existence of another is worthy.

            How can you argue that being such judge is ultimately human?

          • Suba gunawardana

            Don’t you still get it? WE don’t seek to be the final arbiter of anything. The choice whether one is able & willing to provide a good life for a future child should be ENTIRELY upto the woman carrying the pregnancy. NOT to you, me or the government.

            We seek to leave that choice with the pregnant woman. YOU seek to take the choice away from her, thereby forcing all fetuses to life despite the fact that the vast majority of them would get a horrible life. Who’s trying to make other people’s decisions here?

          • goatini

            //so self-centered and unaware of the larger picture//

            Oh, dear, more projection…

          • Rainbow Walker

            This one is stupid, sick and sad.

            Consent is never implied. Sex doesn’t equal breeding. The question is do you understand the consequences of your
            actions? Irresponsibility of any kind can have consequences. However we shouldn’t compound the situation by making it worse. Forcing someone to have a child is tyranny. Reminds one of communist states that forced women to breed in compliance with their state religion.

            You only want to control the woman. It’s a fact that more women who carry unwanted pregnancies to term abuse and neglect those children.

            Adoption is not an option. This is another myth you forced birthers have created. We have 400 million plus unwanted children in the world. 65K in TX alone. All ready for adoption. Most between 0-9 YOA. And you want to add to
            that?

            Look kid you need serious help. I see enough religious nuts abusing children. Good thing that girl aborted your whelp. Don’t need those genes running around.

          • Thomas

            You must be so very proud of being so articulate and persuasive, especially in your last paragraph. You actually made me realize that feminists such as yourself and those three likes hate all. For now however, you will have to co-exist somehow.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I notice you didn’t rebut any of Rainbow’s points. Does that mean you agree with them?

          • Thomas

            I cant’ exert any energy on someone who thinks that murdering her own offspring is better than allowing a chance for a life. I know a few people who grew up in orphanages. They are now adults, well educated and glorify their existence. There is always a way. Choose life Suba….

          • Suba gunawardana

            On the contrary you have been exerting a lot of energy on all of us who are all pro-choice. So you cannot all of a sudden use your opponent’s position as an excuse not to respond. Thus the only reason you won’t rebut is that you have no rebuttal.

            ” I know a few people who grew up in orphanages.”

            The key word is FEW. As I already pointed out and you ignored, there’s NO WAY every unwanted child gets a good life, considering the numbers of needy children far outweigh the numbers of responsible caring adults available to adopt. A few might somehow beat the odds does not justify knowingly condemning thousands/millions to a horrible fate.

          • Thomas

            You are not “pro-choice,” you are pro-abortion. None of the commentary from any of you suggested that you’d even entertain any other option. Am I incorrect???? Your strong oposition to adoption relying on the misconception that a child will not be wanted and will be abused as a given! Your calls for abortion as the only viable option! The non-sequitur logic behind your arguments, evidently escapes you. I wish you’d own up to the fact that you are abortion proponents and nothing else. You live in a state of denial.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No. Like the rest of us here she supports leaving the decision in the hands of the woman who is actually pregnant.

          • Thomas

            No Suba does not. Suba would not advise the woman to carry to term but abort. Do you actually read Suba’s comments???

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes I do. And I know what she supports.

          • Suba gunawardana

            What part of “It’s entirely upto the pregnant woman” don’t you get?

            I am not in the business of forcing women to do anything, YOU are.

            And women are not idiots who need “advice” to one way or another. They can make their OWN choices.

          • fiona64

            Liar. Unlike your ilk, who demand that a woman gestate a pregnancy regardless of her feelings or health, we support a woman’s right to choose from *all* options: use of contraception or not, gestation or termination, adoption or rearing alone or with a partner of one’s choice. That’s the whole point of being pro-choice, you lying buffoon: it encompasses all options. You, OTOH, are all for forced birthing … because the health impacts of pregnancy will never affect you.

          • Suba gunawardana

            You are STILL not getting it? That choice is NOT mine or yours to make. It is entirely upto the pregnant woman to decide whether to abort, keep the baby or give it up. NOT upto you, me or the government.

            Now if the pregnant woman was me, adoption is absolutely NOT among my choices, considering history & statistics show how small a chance each child has of getting a good life (and how big a chance of being abused & tortured). That doesn’t mean I would impede other women’s choice of anything, unlike YOU constantly try to.

            BTW do you still claim to be pro-life? How come you have yet to rebut this? If you value the life of human zefs above the life and well-being of all other individuals (including the women carrying the zefs; the children the zefs would become if forced to be born; and all the non-humans killed to feed the new unwanted human lives) then you are automatically ANTI-LIFE, and Pro-suffering.

          • Thomas

            I did respond to that when I discussed the food chain issue that is natural to our existence on this planet.
            You never though, answered my question whether you are a vegetarian? Scroll up to that discussion we had yesterday if you need a refresher..

          • Suba gunawardana

            You NEVER addressed this particular point (which I posted 3 times).

            Here’s what you said back then:
            The man is the head of the household BUT the woman is the man’s neck.
            That is the de facto meaning of all of the verses you cited. I think you understand the connotation.

            In terms of the verse from Genesis: Ever heard of the food chain theory? At any time, you or I can be at the bottom of it depending on our physical locale. If you want to translate this as abuse, be my guest. Nota bene – are you a vegetarian?Ever heard of the food chain theory? At any time, you or I can be at the bottom of it depending on our physical locale. If you want to translate this as abuse, be my guest. Nota bene – are you a vegetarian?

            Here’s my response, which you never rebutted:

            -Besides the fact that there’s no mention of a “neck” anywhere (that’s something the religious reich made up to fool stupid women into voluntary subjugation), all the sections I quoted SPECIFICALLY state that a woman must obey and submit to a man.

            -So what? If your god were all-powerful and all-loving, why create a food chain at all? A food chain means invariable pain suffering and death for some individuals for the sustenance of others. Couldn’t a “loving & powerful” god find a better way than that?

            Furthermore, food is in NO WAY the only reason animals are tortured by people, and even the food industry involves far more torture than necessary. Religious nuts justify all of that by the “dominion” concept.

            So in conclusion, do you admit that you cannot be “pro-life”? Do you also admit that the choice about a pregnancy belongs to the pregnant woman alone, and NOT you, me, or the government?

            And I am not vegetarian, which has absolutely no relevance to this point either. Plants are living beings too, which are now known to be sentient. Why would a “loving” god create a world where its inhabitants have to eat each other by default?

          • fiona64

            You’re full of more shit than a French goose.

          • goatini

            Women are not livestock to be exploited in gestational slavery against their will by the billion-dollar global human trafficking crime syndicate, for the benefit of selfish, greedy, barren vultures.

          • kitler

            They are now adults, well educated and glorify their existence.

            Irrelevant. For every happy adoptee or orphan you will find many who wish they were dead or live in misery.

            Both sides cancel each other out.

          • goatini

            “Offspring” have to have, um, “offsprung”, as in, BE BORN.

          • Suba gunawardana

            LOL Rainbow, did you notice that your “idiot filter” worked once again? Hilarious!

          • Thomas

            Here’s the proof that you are not above insults. I will find more in this thread alone.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Isn’t this hilarious? Besides the fact that my comment was not addressed to you, can you specify what exactly you consider to be an “insult” here? Then maybe we’d get somewhere.

            More importantly, your false allegation was made MANY HOURS (even a day) before I ever made this comment. So obviously you cannot use this comment as proof for your claim, quite aside from the fact that this comment was not insulting, and not addressed to you.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Yes it doesn’t take long for idiots to show themselves. It never fails.

          • fiona64

            the consent is implied

            There is no such thing as implied consent.

            Adoption is always an option.

            Adoption is an alternative to parenting, not gestation. And, considering that there are more than 100K children available for adoption in this country alone right this minute, most of whom will age out of the system without ever having permanent homes, you are demanding that some random woman warehouse yet another child to satisfy your anti-choice position.

          • Rainbow Walker

            There’s 65k in TX. 30K aged out last year.

          • fiona64

            Thanks for the specifics! I look at the AFCARS reports pretty regularly, and current available stats show 106K available for adoption nation-wide. That there is such a huge concentration of available children in a notoriously anti-choice state like Texas is both shocking for sheer volume and, sadly, not surprising.

          • Rainbow Walker

            They play with the numbers. Children are bounced from facilities [we have over 80 here] and foster homes and family members. We call them boomerangs. They spend a week with one relative [who
            abuses or neglects them] then they go into a good foster home. Unfortunately there is no room. So they put them with another family member, who sells them. You get the point. Every time they are ‘homed’ they call it an exit. Unfortunately the statistician don’t keep track of the boomerangs. We do. I’ll track down the TX website for adjudicated children and post it.

            Yes there are a lot and many are young, even newborns. One of those facilities is for abandoned infants.

          • Jennifer Starr

            When I was in college in the early ’90s I wrote an extensive term paper about the state of our child welfare system in this country.It was bad then–unfortunately it doesn’t sound as though it’s gotten much better.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Some thinks have improved. Most things are horrid.

          • Unicorn Farm

            “Absent any protection, the consent is implied.”
            So you think that if a woman is on the pill or uses a condom or uses the pull out method that she can have an abortion, because no consent was implied?
            “…she needs to take responsibility for her actions and carry the baby to term.”
            I’ve never understood anti-choicer’s obsession* with chastising women and telling them to take responsibility!!1, just like they’re talking to a seventh-grader who needs to accept the consequences of skipping class by going to detention. Or a dog who just sh*t on the carpet. So tell me, Thomas, what “action” is it that a woman needs to “take responsibility” for? Is it sex? Is it getting pregnant? Why is it “responsible” to bring a baby into the world that you have no intention of caring for? Why is it responsible to fuck up your own life in the process? Why is the only means by which a woman can “take responsibility” by gestating an unwanted baby?
            *Oh wait, yes I have. The anti-choice position is not rooted in respect for life, its rooted in sexism and a need to punish women for having sex.
            “Adoption is always an option.”
            The hell it is.

          • kitler

            I gather this means that you offer a rape exception?

          • goatini

            //Adoption is always an option//

            Wrong.

            Adoption is the solution to unwanted parenthood.
            Safe, legal pregnancy termination is the solution to unwanted pregnancy.
            And women are not livestock to be exploited.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Don’t try to be witty, Thomas–you’re no good at it.

          • Thomas

            Au contraire madame. I am very serious in my attempt to make you aware that pregnancy is an occurrence that extends beyond your immediacy. The me/me/me argument will eventually backfire in more ways than you can imagine…

          • Jennifer Starr

            Kind of funny that you imagine that you can make someone ‘aware’ of a medical condition which you yourself will never have to worry about. Actually it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.

          • Thomas

            I am making you aware that the state of pregnancy compels to think beyond your nose. I will try to be more clear :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            It doesn’t compel me to do squat. Unless I want to. You have no say..

          • Thomas

            Of course I don’t. Agreed. At the end of the day, I am aware I stood for humanity and you – well for YOU and you alone. Who will win?

          • Suba gunawardana

            No, you stand AGAINST humanity, particularly against children.

            As I pointed out & you failed to rebut: If you value the life of human zefs above the life and well-being of all other individuals (including the women carrying the zefs; the children the zefs would become if forced to be born; and all the non-humans killed to feed to new unwanted human lives) then you are automatically ANTI-LIFE, and Pro-suffering.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I have actual friends and family who will stand for me, thanks. You have no place or standing in my life or my personal medical decisions.

          • Thomas

            Are they your decisions or some doctor’s who wants to make a profit off of your “choice.” Who else may “help” you make this “choice?”

            We all have standing with one another Jennifer. We are the future of this great nation. Our decisions will either make or break this society. Tell me, do you want to contribute to breaking the fabric that is humanity?

          • Rainbow Walker

            Doctors make no profit from abortion. It’s a losing game. Adoption on the other hand is a multibillion dollar outfit.

            People who have a mind don’t need anyone to make a choice. She can do it without you. You on the other hand cannot think for yourself.

            You are the only one tearing the fabric apart. Sad thing is you’re too stupid, cruel and selfish to see.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Uh oh! Your transparent attempts at manipulation are showing :)

            Cost of an abortion: $500 or less
            Cost of childbirth & pre/postnatal care: $20-30K
            Price of a baby in the meat market: $20-30K

            Who is the REAL profit making industry?

          • Thomas

            That is the case because of public funding of abortions. Have someone else pay for it, that’s the feminist way.

            ACA (obamacare) will foot the bill if you don’t have insurance and qualify.

            That is truly unfortunate.

            The REAL profit is going to PP, hands down…

          • Rainbow Walker

            “Have someone else pay for it, that’s the feminist way.”

            That’s the sh!t head male way. Women pay for everything. That’s why there’s billions of dollars in back child support these losers aren’t paying, most are men. Most women have to foot the bill for the abortion or the kid. Did the girl you knocked up have to pay for hers?

            “ACA (obamacare) will foot the bill if you don’t have insurance and qualify.”

            No it doesn’t.

            “The REAL profit is going to PP, hands down…”

            You are a dip. PP makes no money from abortions. Only 3% of its operating income goes to abortions. Some of them they give on sliding scale or free.

            Adoption agencies are making the money. They make billions selling children, when you can go adopt one for free and get paid for it from the state. That’s not even considering trafficking. Millions of children are trafficked every year, usually for sex.

          • Thomas

            PP has no sliding scale or free abortion “service.”

            As far as your child-support diatribe – allow me to return to the first question I posted on this thread two days ago, to paraphrase myself:

            DO YOU APPROVE OF THE RECENT “ROM-COM” “OBVIOUS CHILD” PORTRAYAL OF A “LOVING AND CARING” RELATIONSHIP???

            Feminists think its all the rave and approve how this film portrays a relationship. Well there is your answer . The main-character sleeps with the guy after he flatulates in her face, becomes pregnant but hides it from him. You approve????

          • Jennifer Starr

            Haven’t seen the movie–not much for romantic comedies– but the character has a right to hide the pregnancy if she wishes.

          • Thomas

            No she does not Jennifer, it is not smart to do so anyway you look at it.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes, she does have that right. You might not like that, but that’s too bad.

          • Thomas

            Well luckily for the greater good of our society, parental notification laws are on the books. No thanks to you…

          • Jennifer Starr

            You have to notify if you intend to give the child up for adoption, because most states require the consent of both parents. But there’s no law that says you must inform them the minute you find out your pregnant.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Evidently you know squat about law. A minor can be emancipated and receive a judicial waiver of notification. There by bypassing those crap laws. If they notify her parents before the waiver has gone through [it’s on the judge’s desk] she can sue the crap out of them.

          • fiona64

            Are you really arguing that a fictional character, as portrayed by an actress, should be required to behave as you dictate?

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            What a delusional POS you are.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Shades of Dan Quayle getting all freaked out about Murphy Brown…

          • goatini

            Of course she has that right.

          • fiona64

            PP has no sliding scale or free abortion “service.”

            Boy, are you ever stupid. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-upper-hudson/patient-resources/payment-options/other-payment-options

            Quote (emphasis added) : Enrollment in the Family Planning Benefit Program and Medicaid, and placement on
            our sliding fee scale, depends partly on income levels.

            Stop lying.

            Seems that you’re the only one who’s seen this recent rom-com, Tommy. I don’t know a single person who has, either here or IRL.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Yes PP does. As Fiona pointed out.

            “The main-character sleeps with the guy after he flatulates in her face, becomes pregnant but hides it from him. You approve????”

            You do have strange tastes. If the guy treats her like that she’s better off without him. What you seem to forget is in a REAL relationship [which you have never been in judging by your jargon] there is a give and take. And she would WANT to tell him and make him part of her life and that decision. If a person deliberately omits you there is a reason. And is indicative that there isn’t a real relationship in the context of emotion. But why do you seek to know my approval or not? I don’t care one
            way or the other. What is more important is stability and making decisions based on reality and rational. You seek to control people and the outcome to mimic your inflated obsessions. It doesn’t work that way. So you have a tantrum.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Honestly, Thomas. If this is a movie that upsets you so much, maybe you shouldn’t have watched it.

          • fiona64

            He’s over at LieActionNews whining about how we’re all a bunch of meanie-heads … except for you.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I don’t get it at all. He seems to have forgotten that in my second post to him I called him dumbshit.

          • fiona64

            And he seems to have willfully ignored those of us who told him we hadn’t seen the movie that has his panties in such a wad …

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well LAN says that this is the movie we’re all watching, so in Thomas’ mind he imagines that we all must be huge fans or something : http://liveactionnews.org/obvious-child-disappoints-at-the-box-office/

          • fiona64

            I guess that’s the movie we all watch when we meet in the middle of Manhattan. ;->

          • kitler

            Abortions are not publicly funded.

            Hyde amendment.

          • Thomas

            Do you live in the US?

          • fiona64

            Do you? https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1488/text

            Quote:

            Sec 301.

            Prohibition on funding for abortions

            (a) In general

            No funds authorized or appropriated by Federal law, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are authorized or appropriated by Federal law, shall be expended for any abortion.

            (b) Health benefits coverage

            No funds authorized or appropriated by Federal law, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are authorized or appropriated by Federal law, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion.

            —-

            Let me spell out part of what that means, tommy. I’ll bet you crow about how you are a big supporter of the troops, eh? Well, as I’m sure you are aware, there is a huge problem with female service members being raped — most often at the hands of their colleagues. http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/the-military-s-rape-problem-20120913 If that rape victim is impregnated, she cannot obtain an abortion in a military hospital … and if she is stationed somewhere that abortion is illegal, she cannot obtain one at all.

            But hey, yay pro-life, right?

          • kitler
          • goatini

            Spoken like a deliberately ignorant proponent of mandatory gestation, who obviously does not know that the ONLY safe, legal pregnancy terminations that are covered by public funds are those that are absolutely required to save the patient’s life. That’s IT.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Liar.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You don’t even know what choice I would make. If I should get pregnant, I may very well choose to carry that pregnancy, and I probably would. But one thing is for certain– a total stranger by the name of Thomas Rykala will have no say or standing in the matter. You’re actually kind of like a stalker, with your obsession about the contents of other women’s uteri.

          • Thomas

            That is my name, you won the lottery.

            As far as calling me a stalker, I’d be very careful for you are one hundred percent incorrect in the face of law of this land. You would be laughed out of any courtroom Jennifer.

            Am I obsessed? I still function at one hundred percent capacity and do what I need to for my family and me. Working on behalf of humanity is an added bonus :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, I didn’t call you a stalker. I said that your obsession with other women’s private medical decisions and your need to try and insert yourself in their lives is akin to what a stalker would do.

            And I think your girlfriend made the right decision.

          • Thomas

            I know you did not Jennifer, I only wanted to be sure there is no misunderstanding :)

            I enjoy conversing with you BTW. I find your treatment of me as a guest here on a better level than all others, thank you!

            I think you misunderstand. I am simply pointing out that abortion proponents put the cart before the horse. Does that make sense???

          • Rainbow Walker

            Wrong. Cyber stalking is a crime, punishable as regular stalking. “Cyberstalking” was officially prohibited in 1998 when the California Legislature amended Penal Code 646.9 stalking. After that many states followed. Internationally most developed nations have them.
            The Dutch codes among some of the most stringent.

          • Thomas

            This is far from cyber-stalking. Tell me if that code considers responding to a comment to fit that category? What needs to occur to charge a person with cyber-stalking?

            You have no clue do you? Can I file charges on you for insulting me on a blog? Get real Miss ;)

            EDIT: Just saw that Dutch reference. Do you live there ;)

          • Rainbow Walker

            Inquisitive aren’t we? A little fearful, perhaps? Read the code. In TX it’s SEC. 33.07. ONLINE HARASSMENT. If the alleged victim feels like it is harassment and the accused continually threaten even in your passive aggressive way it could be. “You would be laughed out of any courtroom Jennifer.” You know how many men say that to their female partner after they have beaten them to a pulp and are threatened with a restraining order?

            Suba was right. The idiot filter does work. I’m all man, little boy. Think before you speak.

            No I am not Dutch. I just know the law.

          • Thomas

            I took screen shots of all the insults and accusations, yours above included, made against me by this thread’s participants. I also took screen shots of all of my comments posted thus far. You have no case.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Oh for fuck’s sake. Obsessive much?

          • fiona64

            Do you want some cheese with your whine, Tommy?

          • Rainbow Walker

            You are shitting bricks.

            “I took screen shots of all the insults and accusations, yours above included, made against me by this thread’s participants.”

            Either you’re paranoid and know you crossed a line, or you are dense enough to think you are justified in trying to intimidate others. “The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in a number of well-known cases.” This is actually very common in individuals with an obsessive need to control others, as you do. Furthermore, what’s the use of screen shots? Disqus [and my email] has all the conversations stored, so don’t think you can distort them. This is just your vapid attempt at control and intimidation.

            And depending on your actions from here on, because you are on notice of the law, the penalty would be harsher. Also it would not be my case, but rather Jennifer’s or any other person you stalked or attempted to intimidated. It would be up to them and the DA in their jurisdiction. Use this information as you wish, just know you cannot intimidate me or others.

            PJ, I saw your comments on OZ. I referred to Tommy as a little boy because that’s what he is. You have been treated by many
            in my field and that intimidates you. That’s why you are afraid to face me. They probably showed you much about yourself you didn’t want to hear. But then again you’re too afraid to face anyone.

            Now run along Tommy boy back to OZ where you can get patted on the back for your idiocy and immaturity. Just think: you’re getting praise from cowards who are letting you do their dirty work.

          • kitler

            PJ is a pathogical liar. Do you think she is NPD?

          • Suba gunawardana

            I’m no expert but would venture a guess that PJ has a huge inferiority complex, and quite a bit of fear.

          • Rainbow Walker

            It is unethical for me to attempt a diagnosis of another without their consent. I remember way back when I ventured into OZ [before the thought police banned me] PJ asked for an online diagnosis. So I compiled. But I shouldn’t do so unless they are in the conversation. Even though I know she’s watching.

            I can give you an understanding of NPD. Individuals suffering from this disorder believe that the world revolves around them. This condition is characterized by a lack of ability to empathize with others and a desire to keep the focus on themselves at all times. They will flaunt themselves not hide, “they want the world to see their glory”.

            Individuals with PD’s in general lie constantly, to themselves or others. All PD’s [Cluster A, B or C] will do this in different ways. It’s a diversion from reality, often to support the disorder. Narcissists will propagate fantasies of their “glory”. Anti-socials
            often will exaggerate how bad others treat them to justify their actions. Dependents will create the façade of weakness or vulnerability to persuade others to care for them. NOS [not otherwise specified] can run the gambit. They have characteristics of many different PD’s.

            As an observer I find it interesting how she hides on LAN, talks about others behind their backs, sends others to do her dirty work, fearing to step out of OZ and still watches the conversations off LAN.

          • goatini

            //Are those your decisions or some doctor’s who wants to make a profit off of your “choice.” Who else may “help” you make this “choice?”//

            If you really gave a damn about where the BIG profits are, you’d be battling the billion-dollar global human trafficking adoption syndicate, instead of being complicit of their crimes against women. Who are, contrary to your assertion above, eminently qualified to decide their own destinies.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If your position is that abortion and/or contraception should be criminalized/controlled, you do not occupy the moral high ground. You stand for no one’s humanity.

          • goatini

            Thanks for reminding us that to you and the rest of your mandatory gestation freaks, “humanity” excludes living, breathing female US citizens, and fetishizes a diploid cell.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No thank you. When I take good care of myself, I find I have taken good care of the others around me.

          • Thomas

            The life inside of you no longer makes it about you, makes sense????

          • Jennifer Starr

            It doesn’t make it about you, either.

          • fiona64

            I didn’t know Plum was pregnant … or had a tapeworm. Wow!

          • Jennifer Starr

            He seems to want to assume that every woman on here is pregnant. It’s kind of creepy, actually.

          • fiona64

            He’s probably one of those creepers who walks up to pregnant women on the street and touches their abdomens. ::shudder::

          • Jennifer Starr

            Any stranger who did that to me would find their hands slapped.

          • fiona64

            He’s no different from the pissy dudebros on the other thread, who think that women are to blame for everything wrong with the world and are public property for him touch and make demands of.

          • Thomas

            Oh Jennifer, I was speaking in general terms not specifically about Plum. Are you fair or are you purposefully twisting words?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            How does being pregnant make my life 1 – not my responsibilityor as you put it “not about me” and 2 – of less value to anyone including myself?

          • goatini

            Pregnancy does NOT erase the civil, human and Constitutional rights of female US citizens to privacy, bodily autonomy, and reproductive justice.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Nope. Being pregnant in NO WAY makes my life subordinate to that of a fetus, and my right to decide how my body is used is in NO WAY subordinate to that fetus’s need for it.

            It is absolutely still about me.

            You are literally telling women that they do not matter anymore once they get pregnant. And you WONDER why you’re getting a hostile reaction? You wonder why people think pro-lifers are disgusting, sexist individuals?

          • fiona64


            The me/me/me argument

            You mean, like the one you made when you showed up whining about how abortion has “abrogated your rights” as a man?

          • goatini

            //The me/me/me argument//

            As that’s been the crux of your entire argument, I do appreciate the object lesson that projection is what mandatory gestation advocates do best.

          • Rainbow Walker

            First of all you were stripped of nothing. If you are saying a woman you impregnated had an abortion you had no rights to it anyway.

            Let me explain some constitutional law to you. In order to have rights mankind created a fiction called a juridical person. One doesn’t need a pulse to have rights. One must be aware and be able to cognate, thereby actuating those rights. A corporation is a
            juridical person, a child is not [until emancipation or attaining legal
            adulthood]. Furthering complicating your wish of abolishing abortion is the fact that the zef in question inhabits a juridical person. Courts must balance ones rights with the public good. Roe established no overriding public need to abolish abortion in the first trimester, Casey concurred. But they set limits on late term abortions.

            Courts have deemed your body [and anything attached or issuing from it, blood, seaman, embryos, eggs, and organs] belong to their respective owners, until you release them. You know what that means? The minute you let your goodies go inside her it was finder’s keeper’s loser’s weepers. And it looks like you are doing a lot of weeping. Time to put on yer big boy panties and suck it up.

            Second, this tells me why you are so angry and willing to subjugate women. You think you have the right to dictate to others just because you screw them. No wonder you’re religious. Typical. A bit of advice little boy: be careful who you blow your load into, wear a slicker and don’t cry foul when she doesn’t want your whelp.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You have a say in any pregnancies that you gestate inside your own body. The fact that you can’t force a woman to remain pregnant for you is just too damn bad.

          • Thomas

            Well, judging by the recent victories at the SCOTUS, your assertion is a little off :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            How so? Because I don’t recall any Supreme Court rulings stating that a guy can force a woman to remain pregnant for him. Again, too damn bad–make sure you sleep with a woman who shares your views next time.

          • Thomas

            I’ve been sleeping with my wife for 19 years. What do you know – she does share my views.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So what was all the talk about you being robbed of the rights to your ‘progeny’? Little story you like to make up for dramatic effect?

          • Thomas

            I am speaking on behalf of all men Jennifer.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I think that men should be able to have a say in any pregnancies they gestate.

          • Thomas

            Men must have a say in pregnancies simply because they are the other 50 percent of the equation. If it were not for men, women would not become pregnant. Should I explain in detail how that process works :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Nope, the fact that you contribute sperm does not entitle you to control over something inside someone else’s body. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

          • Thomas

            The continued restrictions on abortion throughout this country is an indicator that your assertion is incorrect. Abortion “rights” are becoming ever-so narrow all around you. Incrementalism is not something you can ignore anymore….

          • fiona64

            And you’re fapping at the very idea of being able to control women’s sexuality, aren’t you, you angry little boy?

          • Thomas

            How many times over this day did I dispute your assertion that it’s not about women’s sexuality but abortion???? We had this discussion about the 70 laws that you claimed restricted woman’s sexuality when in fact they restricted abortion. You then flip-flopped and went on a tangent about contraceptives. Please keep up with comments as you are not at all consistent…

          • fiona64

            It’s not my fault that you’re too stupid to connect the dots, tommy.

            Now, go take your nap.

          • kitler

            Then stop talking about irresponsible female sexuality

          • Suba gunawardana

            How many times? NONE. To restrict abortion & contraception (which is your admitted goal) IS to restrict women’s sexuality, and their rights in general.
            Considering you have no interest in the safety and well-being of children after they are forced into birth, your ONLY motive is to punish women for having sex.

          • Suba gunawardana

            As I said before: You seek to ban abortion, subjugate women and force a never-ending population of unwanted children into misery & suffering, then you wonder “what women are complaining about”?

            Wonder why I asked if you’d been in a coma?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No one can stop women from aborting. All you can do is the same thing you did the last time abortion was illegal = kill and maim women and leave children motherless.
            Things got so bad during that period that clergy arranged illegal abortions for women.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Your statement would be correct ONLY if men carried 50% of the pregnancy and performed 50% of the childbirth. Do that, and you would have 50% say in the matter.

          • fiona64

            His groupie, PJ4, is upvoting every one of his inanities. She’s a lunatic.

          • Jennifer Starr

            She’s always been a lunatic.

          • Suba gunawardana

            That’s all PJ can do, which I have seen her do on other threads. She never has the guts to respond to anything herself (just like Calvin the Coward)

          • kitler

            She once claimed that pregnancy can cure not only cancer but diabetes and just about every other disease.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Pregnancy can cause diabetes. It doesn’t cure it. That girl is an idiot.

          • kitler

            There was one study she linked to that showed that dogs who had their pancreas removed survived as long as they were pregnant, but as soon as the pregnancy ended, they died from the missing organ..

            Therefore, pregnancy cures diabetes!!!

            And there was a one off story from the Daily Fail about a woman whose pregnancy hormones killed a tumour. But, if pregnancy was so good at killing tumours don’t you think those hormones would already be synthesized?

            As for the oft-repeated line ‘baby says oh mom, I will help to save you and prolong your life by giving you fetal stem cells (actual quote from LAN) here are some actual, you know, fucking FACTS:

            The health benefits of fetal stem cells is an oft repeated claim from anti-abortionists. That ‘baby ‘gives back’. Unfortunately for the woman, fetal stem cell transfer is a double edged sword. From the JulyAugust 2014 issue of Discover magazine p.12 (typed out by hand):

            FETAL ATTRACTION: Mothers to be may have their babies to blame for a poorly understood medical condition.

            Fresh from prenatal yoga, a woman walks into her 35 week OB appointment glowing. But the doc frowns as she watches the woman’s normally low blood pressure soar past 140. Then a routine test shows protein in her urine. Diagnosis: preeclampsia. These few symptoms are often the only indications of the condition; the mom to be feels fine, but until she has her baby, she will likely be put on bed rest and monitored closely, as preeclampsia can quickly escalate to severe swelling, seizures and even coma or death.

            As many as 8 percent of pregnant women worldwide are diagnosed with preeclampsia, and while the condition is on the rise in the USA, no one knows exactly what causes it. Some researchers have suspected fetal DNA or pieces of the placenta – long known to circulate in the bodies of pregnant women – could kick off an inflammatory immune response intended to kill and clean up the intruders. Hilary Gammill, an OBGYN at the university of Washington, has spent years looking at fetal cells in particular. In a recent study, she and colleagues compared blood samples from 46 pregnant women diagnosed with preeclamspia with samples from 47 women with uncomplicated pregancies. The researchees found that the women with preeclampsia were more likely to have in fact fetal cells in their bloodstream, and many more of them.

            While carrying more fetal cells seems to protect against breast cancer, women with severe preeclamspia have up to an eightfold risk of cardiovascular disease later in life. Such outcomes may be linked to an immune response similar to that of preeclamspia. “It’s sort of a double edged word,” Gammill says.

            She aims to learn more about these stowaway cells so she can figure out what triggers preeclampsia and tailor treatments for her patients, who may experience its effects long after pregnancy. – Cameron Walker

          • Jennifer Starr

            You are awesome with the information, Kitler :)

          • kitler

            PJ4, the lying liar who claims to have a rockstar bf, live in LA, have expensive furniture, 6 kids (half adopted), and an expensive Swiss education or something hilarious like that.

            She also claims that she grew up dirt poor, was sexually abused, had many crisis pregnancies, pulled herself up by her bootstraps and even went so far as to pretend to be some teen celeb on her FB page (I heard this through the grapevine)

            What a loser. She has a made up fantasy life that she uses to impress all of her pathetic LAN buddies.

            *Yes PJ4, I have kept track of your lies, because they are so very amusing.

          • Thomas

            So if anyone claims they have been sexually abused,kitler degrades them for it. A woman to another woman. Do you see how you constantly expose yourselves for the fakes that you are. This comment of yours will be read by many and will be proof of your hypocrisy.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Thomas–not to be rude, but you don’t actually know me. And I don’t particularly have any desire to know you.

          • Thomas

            Well, the support you lend to comments that degrade others with unfounded serious accusations is all I need to “know you.”

            Our paths will never cross :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So you did not answer and inquiring minds want to know: Have you stopped beating your wife?

          • kitler

            PJ4 is a liar, just like you.

          • Thomas

            You don’t know PJ4 and you do not know me. How can you make such a far-reaching assessment on both of us?

          • Suba gunawardana

            One doesn’t need that much “knowledge” to spot a liar.

            -A liar is one who contradicts their own allegedly factual statements. (i.e. you)

            -A coward is one who lies about people behind their back and never has the guts make a direct response. (i.e. PJ)

            I am calling you a liar to your face, and PJ a liar & COWARD to her face. Provide proof to the contrary if either of you have it.

          • kitler

            I don’t need to know you to know that you are a liar. I can see with my own eyes. Same for PJ and her rich fantasy life.

          • Thomas

            That’s interesting. Do you have psychic powers?

          • fiona64

            That’s pretty funny, coming from the dude who marched in here with a) a lie and b) accused everyone here of being murderers.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You forgot the claim that she takes the six kids to visit a different country every time they learn a new language. That and the fact that she claims they are perfectly behaved and have never broken anything tells me they aren’t real kids.

          • Ella Warnock

            And she’s an ‘embryologist,’ too. Her and every other ‘pro-lifer.’

          • Thomas

            I am amazed that any woman would look up to you and give you “likes.”

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re presumptuous, patronizing, and you seem to think that other women’s private health matters are your personal business–wanting to know where I get my pap smears, for example. You don’t have any right to know that. Now you might imagine that you mean well–and that you’re ‘saving women’ or whatever–you’re certainly not the first male anti-choicer with white knight delusions. But here’s the thing, Thomas–unless we ask for your help, we’d really like it if you simply butted the hell out.

          • Thomas

            You are the one who brought up getting paps at PP. I simply pointed out that if you share, I will inform you about their healthcode violations. There is nothing here that indicates invasion of privacy. Do you know the concept at all and what it entails. How old are you Jenny?

          • Jennifer Starr

            You became quite belligerent when I told you that it was personal business and that I wouldn’t share it:

            If you were genuine about the PP “clinics” as remotely about women’s healthcare, you would not hide their code violations. As I said, the PP “clinic” you go to has many. That is a given with all PP “clinics.” Are you interested in knowing or in the name of abortion rights, are you willing to sacrifice so that PP can continue committing these health code violations???

            I didn’t say that you invaded my privacy. I simply said that it’s presumptuous to try and pester strangers about where they receive their healthcare–and I consider a rebuttal to be pestering. Again, you don’t have a need to know that.

          • Thomas

            Belligerent? Oh Jenny, you are becoming as desperate as Fiona64. Do feminists like that sort of appearance about themselves???

          • Jennifer Starr

            Mite oversensitive, aren’t we?

          • fiona64

            Are you trying to tell us that you are PJ4’s “rock star” husband?

          • Alex Hunter

            Don’t bring her into this. Scapegoating is for people who need a bad guy to distract themselves from their own shortcomings, not reasonable people.

          • fiona64

            Exactly how much of the pregnancy will you be gestating again?

            Oh, none?

            Then STFU.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I wasn’t attempting to ‘catch you’.

          • Thomas

            I am relieved :)

          • goatini

            Let me explain it to you in a way that even you can understand: it’s like breakfast. The chicken is a participant, but the pig is committed. You get seconds of pleasure, and the woman takes on ALL the risk.

          • fiona64

            You were quite specific that abortion abrogated YOUR rights. You did not say anything about “all men.”

            So, as has already been pointed out, you’re a goddamned liar.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Again don’t lie. All men do NOT share your views of subjugating women.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Just shut up. Because you don’t speak for me or most of the men I know. You make us look stupid and cruel. You are so full of yourself.

          • Thomas

            I can’t resist but to ask you to please continue to walk the rainbow. If you are a man, you are a disgrace to our gender.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually, he’s a credit to his gender.

          • Rainbow Walker

            “I can’t resist but to ask you to please continue to walk the rainbow.”

            What the hell does that mean? I know it’s a slight but delusional people say nonsensical things all the time.

            “If you are a man, you are a disgrace to our gender.”

            Coming from the likes of you, I’ll take that as a compliment. I note your tone changed when you realized I’m a man.

            Like to talk down to women but change your tune around other men.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Sounds like he is yet another penis-worshipping coward, like some MRA nutjobs we met on Care2…. :) And of course the LAN-clan here. They are all cut from the same cloth.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I didn’t know what ‘walk the rainbow’ meant either. That was an odd thing to say.

          • fiona64

            That’s because he’s a misogynist. Women are to be spoken to as though we’re stupid children; men are to be addressed as equals. Unless, of course, one of the men is gay, in which case he must be addressed as though he is a woman. That’s the etiquette of “men” like Thomas.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Out of fear perhaps? And you are getting other women knocked up behind your wife’s back? Or was it your wife who aborted? Whoever it was she deserves a medal.

          • Suba gunawardana

            So you openly admit that your aim is to force women to remain pregnant against their will? And then you wonder what women are complaining about?

          • Jennifer Starr

            He’s still whining over the fact that he couldn’t force his girlfriend to do so, so he feels the need to impose his will on total strangers.

          • Thomas

            You are mistaken, making stuff up must be the RHRC way…

          • Jennifer Starr

            Mistaken about the girlfriend, or about your need to impose your will on strangers?

          • Thomas

            both.

          • fiona64

            You were the one who came in here bitching about how abortion “abrogated your parental rights.” So, what we have just done is caught you out in yet another lie.

            Quelle surprise; a lying anti-choice troll. I’m just shocked.

          • goatini

            //That “law” effectively took away my parental rights to the child I’ve created //

            Nothing was “made up”, that’s a direct quote.

          • fiona64

            “Abortion rights” stripped me (the male) of any rights to my own progeny.

            And yet you claim that no one has aborted a pregnancy you caused. So, your whole argument is based on lies.

            Just like all anti-choicers.

          • goatini

            //That “law” effectively took away my parental rights to the child I’ve created //

            Yeah, too bad you can’t force an unwilling woman into indentured servitude to be exploited as livestock. You know, because that would prove how much you “value life”. Good Lord, your sense of entitlement and narcissism is off the map.

          • Alex Hunter

            You got laid. You’re not getting any sympathy over this.

          • fiona64

            And it turns out that this little ploy of his was a big fat lie.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Men have choices.
            If men want to control their own reproduction, they can do the following things:

            Use contraception or get vasectomy.

            Practice abstinence.

            Screw other men.

            Have a talk with the woman you are about to screw about what her plans are for unexpected pregnancy. If you don’t like the answer, don’t screw her.

            Once a man has left his swimmers behind in her, all his chances to affect reproduction (choices) are gone.

            That is not unfair. That is biology.

          • goatini

            //you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police//

            I knew he would get to “shut up and be grateful” eventually.

          • fiona64

            I know, right? “Other women have it worse, so you uppity broads shut up and be grateful.” Heh.

          • Thomas

            reprint of the original:

            “As a feminist you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police (you know the ones who take action) and perhaps take up the cause of the oppressed women in that region. How about it?

          • fiona64

            Which translates to “You uppity women need to shut up and be grateful that us menfolk let you do anything; other women have it worse than you do.”

            Which does not negate the problems that women face here, you ignorant, privilege-blind twit.

          • goatini

            My original citation of your original quotation and commentary thereon meant EXACTLY when YOU meant to say with your quotation: “Shut up and be grateful”. It was clear proof that you DO devalue females.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Oh I missed this gem. I always thought sexual responsibility was to use protection in order to avoid disease and unwanted pregnancy.

            What’s YOUR idea of sexual responsibility? Women having sex only when forced-birthers tell them to? (And shut up & breed if they happen to get pregnant)?

    • John H

      “Oh no, we’re not against women – we think women are awesome, nay better than men! That’s why we put the burden on them.”

      This is so common that we have a formal academic (psychological, though rapidly adopted into anthropological and sociological models as well) term for it: benevolent sexism.

      • Thomas

        This is a two-edged sword. Feminism comes to mind.

  • Indy Vt

    Can a woman succeed as an independent candidate?
    http://crisericson.com

    • Jennifer Starr

      What does this actually have to do with the article?

      • Thomas

        Actually it does. Does a woman need to rely on male privilege to advance politically? You know, such independent feminist women as Hillary making deals with men to advance in her career, sacrificing her family in the process. And yet, the author of this column would approve???

        • Jennifer Starr

          Independent in this case refers to a political stance and not to the notion of going it alone, which no one does in politics. Male or female, if you don’t make deals and compromise, you won’t make it.

          • Thomas

            So is that how the democratic party works???

          • fiona64

            It’s how all politics work, Thomas.

            Now, why don’t you go color while the adults talk?

          • Thomas

            I was specifically referring to the “independent” feminist woman who relies on male privilege to advance herself, not only in politics necessarily.

            Isn’t it hypocritical to engage in male bashing and at the same time forego this feminism-driven “independence” by relying on the very gender you despise???

            Insults don’t work on me Ms. Fiona :)

          • fiona64

            I smell another MRAsshole … the stench wafts right through the internet.

          • Thomas

            Valid and very relevant issue to the hypocricies of feminism. Your response is to insult and terminate dialogue. Interesting….

          • fiona64

            Thanks for proving my point, Tommy-boy!

          • Thomas

            What point, that I value life and you don’t? That must be it…

          • Suba gunawardana

            Third time you failed to rebut this: If you value the life of
            human zefs above the life and well-being of all other individuals
            (including the women carrying the zefs; the children the zefs would
            become if forced to be born; and all the non-humans killed to feed to
            new unwanted human lives) then you are automatically ANTI-LIFE, and Pro-suffering.

          • goatini

            Correction: you “value” diploid cells, not actual life, as in living, breathing women.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Anthropologically speaking, Homo sapiens has three strategies

            for dealing with unwanted reproduction (births): contraception, abortion and infanticide. All three are practiced in every culture worldwide historically and currently.

            Those who restrict contraception and abortion make
            infanticide, child abandonment/abuse and maternal mortality inevitable. We have many in vitro examples of this but the one that troubles me the most at the moment is this example:
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new

            There is nothing moral about your position if your position is controlling women’s reproductive choices by law or by shaming/blaming. Illegal abortion and sepsis and hemorrhage in childbirth are the three leading causes of maternal death worldwide. Women have blood in the game. YOU do not. Abortion and contraception are human rights.

          • Jennifer Starr

            He’s also been posting on LAN, where they’ve been cheering on his complete inanity. It’s hilarious.

          • Thomas

            Same could be said about RHRC but I digress.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you give some examples?

          • Thomas

            Well for one, this column does not consider that males and females have to co-exist. This constant male bashing, especially from this author, is getting old and not truly bought into outside of perhaps this blog.

            There is a very pertinent sociological concept “there is more variance w/in a group than btw groups.” Does this make sense? Why do 2nd wave feminists widen the divide instead of working together. The idea of the amazon race is an utopian concept.

            Feminists can insult ad nauseam here. Outside of this blog, it will not achieve the desired effect.

          • Suba gunawardana

            True that men & women have to coexist. Coexistence absolutely does not mean one group subjugating/ running roughshod over another group (regardless of whether that group consists of a certain gender, race, age or whatever characteristic).

            The forced-birth agenda promotes the exact OPPOSITE of coexistence, i.e.subjugation of all women & children for the advantage of some men, aided by a few stupid women. The laws they promote naturally seek to victimize women and favor men in general. What you perceive as “male bashing” is disapproval towards that subjugation of women.

            Obviously all men are not misogynists (and I have nothing against MEN per se). However all forced-birthers and all religious nuts are, regardless of their gender. They are all out to victimize women & children with these misogynistic laws, and that’s what we oppose here.

            BTW the examples I asked were for the “independent” feminist woman who relies on male privilege to advance herself”.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Quite frankly, I don’t see this ‘male-bashing’ that you’re talking about. The article is saying that men don’t need to be sexually manipulated in order to make them behave. Are you trying to tell us that they do need to be manipulated?

          • fiona64

            He’s just another angry little MRA like the ones on the other thread. Joy was right; all you have to do is wind them up a little about some imagined slight (like their inability to force a woman to either remain pregnant or not remain pregnant) and they spin like tops.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Independent refers a political stance, dumbshit. And if you had bothered to look up Cris Ericson, you would see that she’s quite conservative in many areas. It does not refer to ‘male-bashing’, which Hillary has only done in your imagination. And again, politics works by making deals and compromises. Men do it, women do it, conservatives and liberals do it. If you can’t play the game, you won’t last long–no matter what party or gender you are. Maybe you want to take a course or two before you keep running your mouth? I suspect, however, that you’d rather whine some more about how women don’t need you. Want me to play a tiny violin now?

          • Jennifer Starr

            That’s how politics works.

  • http://batman-news.com Mummel18000

    I have been discussing with out small but equally aggressive anti-women movement here in Sweden, and have been accused of supporting abortion rights just so I can have lots of irresponsible sex….and the saturday that was was our 22nd anniversary, and the reason I fight them everywhere I can, is that I want my daughter (16, same day as anniversary) to grow up in a society that sees her as an adult in her own, not as a breeding machine.
    Ps – I do not fight them everywhere. I spent two weeks on Live Action News, but that almost broke me down completely ds

    • Thomas

      Hope your vacation is going well. How is the weather?

  • grantal

    I hate the constant gender separation. As a woman I have always wanted to be treated as an asexual human being. Unfortunately hormones in every human (even me) dictates much of all of our behavior in the reproductive years. This is really more about science and survival than sexism or classing humans into one little box. . if people could just understand we are all still animals with survival instincts that still rule our lives whether we want them to or not. I think things might be better.

    • Arekushieru

      Uh, disagree. If that were true, there wouldn’t be asexuals like me around….

  • Suba gunawardana

    Great article! Thank you for putting their disgusting agenda into precise words….

    I wonder what the anti-choicers stand to gain by punishing people for having sex or forcing them to marry against their will. Sounds more like a spiteful vendetta than a plan for profit or personal gain.

    • purrtriarchy

      Male privilege. Keep all the power, pussy and goodies for themselves

      And an obsession with moral purity – good podcast here on the subject: http://freethoughtblogs.com/reasonabledoubts/2014/04/07/rd-extra-does-religion-make-us-better-people-galens-bulldog-edition/

      • Thomas

        Citation needed. Opinion pieces are just that….

        • kitler

          Listen to the podcast.

          • Thomas

            I need reputable sources: peer-reviewed studies with solid methodology, sorry.

          • kitler

            Listen to the podcast.

          • Thomas

            Podcasts do not reflect much beyond convolution at best. Can you cite actual research on your assertion from the first sentence? Solid evidence as it pertains to the here and now?

          • kitler

            Listen to the podcast.

            I don’t know what your problem is. The podcasters are all academics, and these are the latest theories on religion etc.

            It’s interesting.

          • Thomas

            What does religion have to do with your assertion in the first sentence? Are you attempting to tie the first sentence with your second? A bit non-sequitur. Citations for the first sentence please.

          • kitler

            Listen to the podcast.

            last time I’m gonna engage you

            Have a nice day, buttercup

          • Thomas

            It seems you do not understand that your fisrt sentence has no bearing on the second. You also seem a bit lost on the idea that the discussion on religion and its dogma is of no consequence to the column’s topic.

            Thanks for your time. I hope you meant “buttercup” in the nicest way possible :)

          • Suba gunawardana

            Regardless of the podcast, the best reference to corroborate the statement “Male privilege. Keep all the power, pussy and goodies for themselves” is the BIBLE.

          • Thomas

            I don’t think you read the Bible.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Have you read the bible? It is a book written by misogynistic men FOR the benefit of misogynistic men at the expense of all other individuals including women children and animals, advocating the subjugation & victimization of all those other individuals. Thus, the best reference corroborating the forced-birth agenda IS still the bible.

          • Thomas

            Please cite any verse, a parable or otherwise any passage from the Bible that lends support to the claim “Male privilege. Keep all the power, pussy and goodies for themselves” either in it’s entirety or individual components.

            While doing so, please also find anything in the Bible that supports your assertion “….at the expense of all other individuals including women children and animals, advocating the subjugation & victimization of all those other individuals.”

            Evidence please.

          • Suba gunawardana

            The real question you should ask yourself is whether there are any sections at all in the bible which DON’T support my claim. Are there? I doubt it. If there are, they most certainly contradict the major part of the bible which shamelessly advocates the subjugation & victimization of all individuals who are not human males.

            Since you asked, here’s a smattering of examples showing blatant sexism in the bible. As you know, there’s plenty more.

            Corinthians 11:3
            But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

            Corinthians 11:7 – 9
            For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
            For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
            Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

            Corinthians 14:34 – 35
            Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
            And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

            Ephesians 5:22 – 24
            Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
            For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
            Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

            And of course the famous excuse from Genesis used throughout the ages to use & abuse animals: Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

          • Thomas

            I realize it’s hard for feminism to swallow, thus allow me to re-phrase:

            The man is the head of the household BUT the woman is the man’s neck

            That is the de facto meaning of all of the verses you cited. I think you understand the connotation.

            In terms of the verse from Genesis:

            Ever heard of the food chain theory? At any time, you or I can be at the bottom of it depending on our physical locale. If you want to translate this as abuse, be my guest. Nota bene – are you a vegetarian?

          • Suba gunawardana

            -Besides the fact that there’s no mention of a “neck” anywhere (that’s something the religious reich made up to fool stupid women into voluntary subjugation), all the sections I quoted SPECIFICALLY state that a woman must obey and submit to a man.

            -So what? If your god were all-powerful and all-loving, why create a food chain at all? A food chain means invariable pain suffering and death for some individuals for the sustenance of others. Couldn’t a “loving & powerful” god find a better way than that?

            Furthermore, food is in NO WAY the only reason animals are tortured by people, and even the food industry involves far more torture than necessary. How do you justify that?

          • Rainbow Walker

            “The man is the head of the
            household BUT the woman is the man’s neck.”

            Wrong. You can twist it anyway you
            like, that passage does mean exactly what it says. According to the Talmud
            [which early Christian adopted and can be seen in the text] women were
            subjected to men, egalitarian arguments are just more religious delusion. New
            Testament passages such as Ephesians 5:22-24 which teach submission of wives to
            husbands are typically misinterpreted by egalitarians as a temporary
            accommodation to a harsh 1st century culture. A perfect example is: “Unto
            the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in
            sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
            and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16).

            Indeed one is hard pressed to find
            a passage in the bible where man isn’t given liberties with [and over] women.

            “And the daughter of any
            priest, if she profane herself by playing the wh*re, she profaneth her father:
            she shall be burnt with fire.” (Leviticus 21:9)

            “When men strive together one
            with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband
            out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh
            him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity
            her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

            “Speak unto the children of
            Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she
            shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her
            infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus 12:2)

            “But if she bear a maid
            child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall
            continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.”
            (Leviticus 12:5)

            “But I would have you know,
            that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and
            the head of Christ is God.” (I Corinthians 11:3)

            “For the man is not of the
            woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but
            the woman for the man.” (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

            “Behold, I will cast her into
            a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except
            they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all
            the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and
            I will give unto every one of you according to your works.” (Revelation
            2:22-23)

            “Thou shalt not suffer a
            witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that
            sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly
            destroyed.” (Exodus 22:18-20)

            “Behold, here is my daughter
            a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and
            do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a
            thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and
            brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night
            until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.”
            (Judges 19:24-25)

            “Let the women learn in
            silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp
            authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then
            Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
            transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

            “If a man be found lying with
            a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with
            her;” (Deuteronomy 22:22)

            “Then ye shall bring them
            both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that
            they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man,
            because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from
            among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

            “Wives, submit yourselves
            unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the
            wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the
            body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to
            their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

            “Give me any plague, but the
            plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.”
            (Eccles. 25:13)

            “Of the woman came the
            beginning of sin, and through her we all die.” (Eccles. 25:22)

            “If she go not as thou
            wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce,
            and let her go.” (Eccles. 25: 26)

            “The wh*redom of a woman may
            be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep
            her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty.”
            (Eccles. 26:9-10)

            “A silent and loving woman is
            a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well
            instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her
            continent mind cannot be valued.” (Eccles. 26:14-15)

            “A shameless woman shall be
            counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord.”
            (Eccles.26:25)

            “For from garments cometh a
            moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a
            courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach.”
            (Eccles. 42:13-14)

            Ephesians 5:22-24: “Wives,
            submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the
            wife…wives should submit to their husbands in everything.”

            Keep going. You are only proving how
            dangerous religion is in and of itself, psychologically, physiologically, legally,
            and ethically.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No problem. There are so many that it is hard to choose.

            (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
            So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

            The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

            Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

            (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
            If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
            …………………….
            When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          • fiona64

            It’s funny how a LAN imbecile insists that he needs “reliable sources,” when he comes from a place where using actual reliable sources — especially those that contradict Calvin Freakburger — gets you banned.

          • kitler

            Par for the course with these people. Kind of like antichoicemama offering up her opinions as facts.

          • Jennifer Starr

            He keeps telling them that he’s going to be banned. I haven’t flagged him and I doubt anyone else has, but he wants to imagine that he’s important and stuff.

          • fiona64

            He’s a funny little creature … just like all of his ilk.

          • Thomas

            I am a human just like you.

          • fiona64

            Just another LieSiteSpews troll. Now, why don’t you go color while the adults talk? We know you’re trolling on purpose so that you can go whine to Calvin Freakburger and LiarRose about how mean we are over here; we can see your post history. We’re on to you, sweetie.

          • Thomas

            The only person I find decent is Jennifer, that is true. I have thick skin though and do not whine to others. Contrary, you have had several side conversations about me with others on this blog. What does that make you???

          • fiona64

            What an angry little boy you are. It seems to really piss you off that you are unable to control women’s behavior in any number of milieux. You may wish to seek psychiatric help for that.

          • Thomas

            You and the like seem to think that pointing out the fallacies in your assertions and describing how your behavior defeats your words is somehow an attempt to control you? This is rich.

          • fiona64

            Poor widdle Tommy. He’s awfully cranky. Like I said, little man, it must be time for your nap. Do you want your binky?

            You don’t get to decide to whom I speak, or about what. Get used to it.

          • Thomas

            So don’t point out my “hypocrisy” either, fair?
            Anyway, were you supposed to not engage me anymore? Am I so hard to resist ;)

          • fiona64

            Right in the post to which you responded, I already explained to you that when and to whom I speak is not up to you.

            Now, why don’t you go back to beating your wife or whatever your other hobbies are, and stop trolling this website?

          • Thomas

            Are you sure you want to go there? Do you have any proof to make such a serious allegation against me? Can you substantiate this claim with any evidence.
            I took a screen shot of your comment in case I may need it at some point, thanks….

          • fiona64

            Why you so mad, bro?

            You’ve already accused women here of committing murder …

          • Suba gunawardana

            Just like Rainbow’s “idiot filter”, this is a nice filter for a different purpose. Whenever you mention “go back to beating
            your wife” , CERTAIN people get excessively defensive. I recall another chauvinist with the exact same mindset on another thread…. LMAO

          • Suba gunawardana

            So far you have failed to point out any “fallacies”. Care to try again?

          • Suba gunawardana

            Now you are bold-faced lying, which is hilarious. You told me here that you “don’t discuss people behind their back”.

            And lookee here, you are doing exactly what you claimed NOT to do, then once again lying about it right here.

            http://liveactionnews.org/what-women-forget-about-equality-and-abortion/

            Any “side conversations” we had were right here, NOT behind your back. Who is the real liar & coward?

          • fiona64

            Oops! Looks like little Tommy got caught with his hand in the cookie-jar!

          • Thomas

            lowest form of intelligence you display.

          • fiona64

            ::yawns at cranky little boy::

          • Thomas

            There are posts that dispute your assertion that you were banned without probable cause. There is even evidence there that discredits your claim without a doubt. Are you upset that you were exposed???

          • Suba gunawardana

            Show me a single post where Calvin the Coward took my challenge to stand behind his allegations, or even provided any response at all.

          • fiona64

            Surely you can cite them …

          • Thomas

            Go back on that linked thread and you will find your answer there.

          • fiona64

            Nope. I’m not doing your homework for you, little Tommy. You made the assertion of fact; YOU provide the proof.

          • kitler

            Lulz

          • goatini

            //you have had several side conversations about me with others on this blog//

            Don’t like it? Don’t post here.

          • Thomas

            I heard horror stories about how RHRC deletes and bans those that dissent. That’s all. Well, will see how long you’ll tolerate me :)

          • Rainbow Walker

            Nothing like LAN [aka OZ.] That little dictator over there bans people for simply disagreeing with him. And lies. He creates his own little world there and rarely ventures forth, except with avatars. Just a coward.

            You fit in well there. Reminds me of drug rounds at the psych ward.

          • Thomas

            No, bans are for those that constantly use derogatory terms when describing others. You’ve insulted me a few times these past two days. I think you fit the ban category to a “t.”

          • fiona64

            No, bans are for those that constantly use derogatory terms when describing others.

            Liar. I was banned within 12 hours, without a single violation of TOS, for sharing links that proved Calvin Freakburger to be wrong about any number of claims he made.

          • Suba gunawardana

            What happened to me was very similar. Calvin banned me on a false allegation because obviously there was no real violation. I challenged him more than once to prove his allegation, and to this day he remains a coward.

          • fiona64

            He does stuff like that so that he and his worshippers can pretend that “they ran away because they can’t handle the truth.” He never says he banned someone … because he’s a liar. Just like the rest of his anti-choice ilk.

          • Thomas

            We don’t worship Calvin. We worship MOTHERHOOD.
            Do you worship Amanda Marcotte????

          • Suba gunawardana

            You worship motherhood? Then why do you try to make life as miserable as possible for mothers everywhere?

            Of course you worship Calvin, as you apparently take his word without a shred of proof.

          • Thomas

            Conception and pregnancy is a settled science Suba.
            I think that abortion proponents make it miserable for women by supporting irresponsible intercourse. The cart before the horse.

          • Suba gunawardana

            So what? Of course pregnancy involves conception. And….?

            Irresponsible intercourse, once again, is a PERSONAL decision. “Support” is irrelevant.

            Your relentless desire to control others has nothing to do with motherhood or life.

          • Thomas

            Than use contraception. Abortion is an issue that affects us on the societal and humanity levels, you don’t see that?

          • Suba gunawardana

            I am not the one against contraception, YOU are. See your hypocrisy?

          • Thomas

            No Suba, evidently you did not read my comment in which I pointed out that I am against paying for it for you. I am against public and employer-funded contraception. PAY FOR YOUR OWN (Ms. Marcotte can too instead of whining that it is too expensive).

          • Jennifer Starr

            Premiums for job-based insurance are usually taken out of the employee’s pay. Meaning they are paying for it.

          • Thomas

            Your premium goes to one collective pot so to speak. The costs are spread amongst all of the particpants in that particular plan. Your premium is used to supplement the overall costs of healthcare for all participants. Your premium is not set aside for only Jennifer.

            I think you need to do some research on this…

          • fiona64

            I already explained how health insurance works. Were you too stupid to understand that?

          • Thomas

            And apparently you still don’t get the SCOTUS ruling applied broadly to all closely-held corporations either :)

            Incidentally, you seem to miss that that is exactly what I am saying about insurance – that it is not the insurance’s responsibility to pay for your lifestyle choices that are not medically necessary.

            Who is the one lacking reasoning skills here?

          • Jennifer Starr

            I pay for men’s cialis and viagra, which is recreational. If that’s not paying for lifestyle choices I don’t know what is.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            And do not forget the penis pumps. We pay for that too.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Breeding is a lifestyle choice that’s not medically necessary. Should insurance stop paying for birthing and pre/post-natal care?

          • fiona64

            And apparently you still don’t get the SCOTUS ruling applied broadly to all closely-held corporations either :)

            Which is 90 percent of the employers in this country.

            that it is not the insurance’s responsibility to pay for your lifestyle choices that are not medically necessary.

            It is not up to you to decide what is or is not medically necessary for me or anyone else. Not that it’s any of your business, nosy-parker, but my insurance paid for a tubal ligation 21 years ago. And should that tubal ligation fail, there will be an abortion scheduled so fast that your Texas-stupid misogynistic head will spin right off. A wanted pregnancy nearly killed me 28 years ago, and I will NOT go through that again just to satisfy some anti-choice jerk like you.

          • goatini

            Pregnancy and birth are “lifestyle choices that are not medically necessary”. They’re covered in insurance policies and I contribute as part of the risk pool. Grow up.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I don’t particularly like having to pay for you to breed either. But tough, that’s a choice I have to live with, when money is pooled for insurance. Similarly, whether you “like”paying for contraception is irrelevant in this system.

            If it’s OK for insurance to pay for breeding, it should be OK to for insurance to pay for contraception. It should cover both, or neither.

          • fiona64

            I know, right? We’re empty-nesters at my house, but we still have to pay property taxes for schools in the area despite not having any children in them. While it is to the benefit of the country to have an educated populace, according to little Tommy’s “logic,” I shouldn’t have to pay for other people’s choice to have children in this fashion.

          • goatini

            Over the past 40 years, every health insurance plan under which I was a member of the risk pool, covered any and all contraception. Why should female insureds in the risk pool pay TWICE for what they have already paid for in their coverage?

          • kitler

            Does contraception ever fail, Thomas?

          • fiona64

            And you, of course, will dictate what is and is not “responsible intercourse,” right? Thanks for demonstrating, yet again, that this is all about controlling women and has nothing whatsoever do do with being “pro-life.”

          • Thomas

            We are educating to PREVENT ABORTIONS, you don’t see the connect there? NO irresponsible intercourse, NO abortions. This is as pro-life as it gets.
            Please re-take Logic 101.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Once again stop lying.

            Anyone genuinely interested in PREVENTING abortion would never cheer at a decision restricting contraception, the best method to prevent abortion.

            Restrict contraception & sex ed = create MORE children (or more abortions). It’s simple math.

          • fiona64

            And, as I already stated, you want to dictate what is or is not “responsible.” You are anti-contraception, anti-comprehensive sex education, and anti-choice. You believe that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy.

            You are wrong.

            You are the one who needs to take Logic 101, Tommy.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            How does a married couple have ‘irresponsible intercourse?’ 60% of women who get an abortion already have at least one child.

          • Ella Warnock

            Married couples who don’t intend to procreate don’t really exist. And if they did, they would be having ‘irresponsible intercourse’ for their entire marriage, and probably worship satan, too.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            :: laughing :: Yes, he really is that dim and obsessed.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Annoying Mofos are they not?

          • goatini

            //irresponsible intercourse//

            Translation: ALL female sexual activity that does NOT occur within Church-approved male ownership with the objective of procreation.

          • Thomas

            Do you worship Amanda Marcotte. Careful, one comment of yours on this thread indicates the affirmative ;)

          • Suba gunawardana

            I have no idea who Amanda Marcotte is.

            Anyway, I don’t “worship” anyone, that’s the monopoly of forced-birthers & religious nuts.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Amanda Marcotte is one of the writers on this site and for some reason she seems to make anti-choicers and MRAs absolutely apoplectic. For that we admire her. But no, we don’t worship her.

          • goatini

            //We worship MOTHERHOOD//

            BS. If that were actually true, you’d have a deep and abiding respect for those who advocate that ALL motherhood be entered into WILLINGLY – i.e., those who post here defending reproductive justice. All you “worship” are fetuses.

          • Thomas

            You lie!!!!

          • Suba gunawardana

            Proof please. This is the second time you made a false allegation.

          • Thomas

            No you are the LIAR.

          • fiona64

            You’re a funny little troll-boy. It’s time for you nap now, Tommy. Maybe if you aren’t such a cranky-pants when you get up, your mommy will fix you a nice snack and let you play with the computer some more.

          • fiona64

            @jennifer_starr:disqus

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes it was–apologies for that and thanks for pointing it out :)

          • fiona64

            I’m beginning to think that there’s something in Texan water that makes people stupid, BTW. Between Mathilde and little Tommy here, well … I think that’s enough said, don’t you?

          • Thomas

            I don’t live in Texas, Einstein.

          • fiona64

            I am sorry, little Tommy. I know smart people who live in Chicago (hint: you are not one of them). I guess it was your constant cheerleading for Texan right-wing law that made me confused.

          • Thomas

            If everything else fails attack a person’s name, you too Jennifer?

          • fiona64

            If you don’t want to be addressed as though you are an angry little toddler, stop behaving like one.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Again, when you call people liars (in caps to boot) you better have proof to back that up.

          • Rainbow Walker

            A few times? Is that constant or in response to you? Or are you shaping this to suit you?

            And you haven’t insulted? All you do is insult. You’re doing it now. When I went to LAN I was challenging one of your gang on SPL. She went to LAN whining for help, PJ wouldn’t help but started calling others [who weren’t present] demented and other insults. I came on to tell her to stop practicing without a license. Yet I was banned and she wasn’t. Calvin is coward who cannot
            face the truth.

            And PJ claims WE suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect? She must be projecting or her psychiatrist has mentioned this to her in therapy. If she has any guts she’ll come over here and say these things face to face instead of hiding on LAN. She’s giving you up votes here but won’t come out and play.

            Go back to LAN and the nurse will give you your meds.

          • Thomas

            A little non-sequitur comparison. Another example of feminist logic I guess…

          • Rainbow Walker

            Reminds me of another who used words he didn’t understand. I note you didn’t refute my claim. And you run back to OZ to bask in praise of idiots.

          • fiona64

            I heard horror stories about how RHRC deletes and bans those that dissent.

            ROFLOL. That’s what your precious LieSiteNews does to anyone who shows up with facts. Polite dissent that does not violate TOS is allowed to remain at RHRC.

          • Thomas

            Did I say who I heard it from Ms. Fiona? You like to jump the gun don’t you ;)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Horror stories–well, let’s see. The last guy who was banned told me that he fantasized about throwing us in a wood-chipper. And before that there was Watchman on the Wall, an anti-semetic holocaust denier who said he was a prophet and that everyone here was a demon. And then there’s 5 x 5, who comes back under different names and derails posts with off-topic drivel. Are those the kind of horror stories you’re thinking about?

          • fiona64

            He wants that, of course, so he can go back whinging and be welcomed as a ‘martyr’ to the cause of ‘life.’

            He’s a classic narcissist.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I flagged him for calling us murderers. He can say any other damn thing he wants to say and he has.

          • Thomas

            The Swede was our guest for two weeks. Did he get banned or deleted? I think if one breaks the rules and becomes a little overzealous shall I say, that may do it. Same goes for this site, deleting and banning is done here on a weekly basis and only for DISSENT not other infractions.

            You degrade people’s names and degrade guests of this site in all forms and yet that is okay. Is that RHRC standard? Perhaps you may consider that blogs are read by all kinds of people. Is this the type of advertisement you want to give this site?

          • Suba gunawardana

            Nope, your moderator is notorious for banning people for NO REASON other than expressing arguments the LAN clan cannot rebut; give false reasons for the banning; and run like a coward when asked to stand behind his allegations.

            I could rebut each & every point EVER brought forth on LAN. Calvin the coward is afraid of that so he won’t let me set foot there, despite the fact that I never broke a single rule.

          • Thomas

            I don’t speak about others when they are not present, not courteous at all. I don’t know the specifics of your ban from LAN but having been a guest here the past two days, it’s obvious (as I stated before) all you do is insult dissenters every other sentence. And your insults are very derogatory. Could that be it, methinks YES.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I just stated facts regarding my banning, you may make your own conclusions using logic. And if you are smart you just might see reality.

            I do have a concern with your false allegations here & now. “all you do is insult dissenters every other sentence. And your insults are very derogatory.”

            Can you back that with proof? (Derogatory insults or ad hominem attacks are NOT things I am known for)

          • fiona64

            I’m done talking to Trollboy as well.

          • Thomas

            Too bad…

    • Thomas

      How do pro-lifers “punish” people for sexual activity? How do pro-lifers “force” them to marry against their will? Citations needed please.

      • Suba gunawardana

        Did you just wake up from a coma? All the anti-abortion anti-contraception legislation is what punishes WOMEN (not men) for sexual activity by forcing them to carry unwanted pregnancies & raise unwanted children.

        • Thomas

          You do realize that the recent buffer-zone and contraceptive rulings were not based on any premise related to “punishing” women, but solid constitutional law. It seems rather a moot point don’t you think??

          Please do not interject inflammatory sentences in you responses
          (the first question) as it weakens your argument.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Buffer zone laws are the least of it. I am mostly talking about the numerous state laws restricting abortion that existed for a while now, which are blatantly unconstitutional. The recent ruling restricting contraception is questionable at best.

            They all DO punish women by taking their choices away, forcing them to carry unwanted pregnancies through various underhanded tactics, and leaving them open to harassment & violence.

            I stand by what you call an “inflammatory” sentence. Unless you had been totally out of touch with reality (such as in a coma), how could you NOT know that the only goal of the forced-bith agenda is to punish women?

          • Thomas

            ‘When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new race. There will be no killing of babies in the womb by abortion, nor through neglect in foundling homes, nor will there be infanticide.’ – Margaret Sanger

          • fiona64

            Nice taking of Sanger out of context. Abortions were unsafe during her lifetime because they were not legal. And do you know why they were not legal? Because (male) physicians got their knickers in a twist over the fact that midwives (female) were the ones being paid to perform them.

            I’m happy to help rectify this unfortunate gap in your education: http://www.feminist.com/resources/ourbodies/abortion.html

            Quote: At the same time, male doctors were tightening their control over the medical profession. Doctors considered midwives, who attended births and performed abortions as part of their regular practice, a threat to their own economic and social power. The medical establishment actively took up the antiabortion cause in the second half of the 19th century as part of its effort to eliminate midwives.

          • Thomas

            You do understand that Sanger was not an advocate of abortion and that is the crux of the matter in your dilemma. Whether there were other forces that attempted to tip the balance is irrelevant to the fact the first-wave feminists were pro-life. And that is the point I am conveying from the beginning.

            Was Sanger not clear enough when she referred to abortion as the killing of BABIES in the womb?

            There is nothing out of context in her words. How did 2nd Wave Feminists twist that is beyond reason.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Besides the fact that there are no “babies” in the womb, what is wrong about abortion again?

          • Thomas

            Nice try but the science is settled on this. Even if you call it an offspring, or a fetus (a small child in Latin) – you are factually pregnant with a human child.

            Is it your understanding that human women become pregnant with non-human offspring or inanimate objects?

          • Suba gunawardana

            So what? No individual (human or not) has a right to invade/occupy/use another person’s body without their consent. once they do, the person whose body was invaded has the legal right to kill the invader to protect their body. Whether the invader is human or not is totally irrelevant.

          • Thomas

            So what you’re saying is that women become pregnant while asleep through Immaculate Conception? She had nothing to do with it. IT’S A MIRACLE!

          • Suba gunawardana

            Your right to protect your body is NOT diminished or negated by the fact that the invasion may have been the result of your own actions.

            If you get assaulted/mugged/raped as a result of walking in a dangerous neighborhood, are you OBLIGATED to allow the attack to go on, because “it was your own fault for walking there to begin with”?

          • Thomas

            That analogy is not appropriate. The attackers do not rely on you but your progeny does. You are now a mother. I’ve always wondered how did feminism twist motherhood to be so evil?

          • Suba gunawardana

            The attackers are using your body for their own benefit, just like an unwanted zef is using your body for their own benefit. You have a choice of accommodating the invader at the expense of your body, or getting rid of the invader to protect your body.

            Any idiot can spit out a baby, which does NOT make her a mother. A true parent is one who cares for the child for as long as necessary, and PROTECTS them from abuse from anyone (including yourself and any forced-birth predators waiting in the wings to use & abuse children).

            True parenthood is VOLUNTARY, it can never be forced.

            P.S. Feminism? I am here to speak for the CHILDREN. You know, the ones you force into miserable lives without their consent or their mothers’.

          • Thomas

            How do you know their lives will be miserable? Adoption is a noble cause.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Glad you think it’s noble. Because at this moment there are over 100k children in the foster care system in this country who are available for adoption. The state will even help with the cost.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Having your baby sold to the highest bidder to become some religious nut’s sex-toy is a “noble cause”? That’s news to me.

            Granted, a FEW children do get good homes with adoptive parents. But the fact remains that the numbers of children needing homes are FAR GREATER than the numbers of responsible caring adults willing to adopt other people’s unwanted children. (And the numbers of predators willing to “adopt” children to abuse are too many).

            Until & unless those numbers are equalized, to add MORE children to the system is to knowingly promote child abuse.

          • fiona64

            Adoption is a noble cause.

            And how many unwanted children have you adopted, Tommy?

            None?

            Yeah, that’s what I thought.

          • Thomas

            You know nothing of what you speak. Apparently Jennifer approves of conjecture as well. Feminism for ya!

          • fiona64

            Well, then, Tommy, why don’t you tell us how many unwanted children you have adopted? Seeing as how it’s so noble and all.

          • fiona64

            Twenty-four hours ago, I asked how many unwanted children you have adopted. Still no answer, I see. That’s because I was right, isn’t it, Tommy? The answer is a big, fat ZERO.

          • goatini

            Being exploited in indentured servitude as livestock for the benefit of selfish, greedy, barren vultures, and as a slave to the billion-dollar global human trafficking adoption syndicate, is “noble”?

            I’d love to see the “nobility” of one of these male proponents of mandatory gestation be similarly tested. REAL easy to prate about so-called “nobility” when you have NO skin in the game.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I would never give a born child to a stranger and hope for the best. That is profoundly irresponsible. A crazy old twat like you might get the child. Abortion while it is only a clot is preferable.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I will have lots of hot sex. I will use contraception. If I become pregnant, I will give birth or abort as I see fit. Not as you see fit. And not as the state sees fit.

          • fiona64

            Even if you call it an offspring, or a fetus (a small child in Latin)

            Oh, god, not this undereducated bullshit again.

            fe·tus noun ˈfē-təs

            : a human being or animal in the later stages of development before it is born

            Full Definition of FETUS

            : an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

            compare embryo 1b

            See fetus defined for English-language learners »

            See fetus defined for kids »

            Origin of FETUS

            Middle English, from Latin, act of bearing young, offspring; akin to Latin fetus newly delivered, fruitful — more at feminine

            First Known Use: 14th century

          • Thomas

            did you look this up in a feminist dictionary?

          • fiona64

            No, dumbfuck. I used Webster’s. Sorry that you aren’t that smart.

          • Thomas

            You are proving my point every hour. The only place you can exist is RHRC.

          • kitler

            fiona64 does a fine job wherever she goes

            You will also find her at Patheos blogs – The Friendly Atheist and Love Joy Feminism to name two

            Perhaps you should dip your paw into some of the debates at Patheos. Though I doubt you will. Your LAN buddies have *tried* to debate there, and have had to leave with their tails between their legs because they make such fools of themselves amongst people who actually, gulp, have facts and logic on their side!

          • Suba gunawardana

            Actually it’s the LAN-clan who never step outside LAN, and ban anyone who dares to step in there. We debate on many sites other than RHRC.

          • Thomas

            You may, many here use vulgarisms otherwise. Is that a new debate style?

          • Suba gunawardana

            Let me remind you that you have YET to provide any proof for your false allegation that I used any vulgarisms, derogatory insults or ad hominem attacks on you (or anyone else).

          • fiona64

            I believe the word you’re looking for is vulgarities.

            And you know what I have to say about your tone policing?

            It’s just one more fucking choice that you don’t get to make for me.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            STFU you annoying old twat.

          • goatini

            Oh, is he a troll from LIE Action Spews? Enough said.

          • fiona64

            Yep, he’s over there bragging about how he’s “trouncing” us, and how he’ll be banned “any minute,” at which point he will (of course) be welcomed as a martyr to the anti-choice cause.

          • fiona64

            You’re funny, sweetie. Really, really funny.

          • goatini

            Actually, all YOU are proving is that LIE Shite Spews is a cesspool of misogyny, theocracy, and anti-American hate speech.

          • fiona64

            He’s just angry that women are not impressed by him. I’m surprised that, after all of this time, he has not become accustomed to that.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            There is no child until I make it out of my blood, flesh and pain. I will decide when and if I do that. YOU have no standing and decide nothing.

          • fiona64

            There is no “baby” in the womb; all babies, everywhere, have been born.

            Thanks for proving that you don’t give a crap about the reality of the situation, though.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I agree with principle of that quote. Motherhood should be wanted and desired, NEVER forced. Every single child should be wanted, welcomed and loved, NOT forced into life against the mothers’ will and abandoned in a hostile world just to satisfy the whim of some forced-birth nut.

            Children are not your slaves to be forced into miserable lives at your whim, and women are not your slaves to be incubators at your pleasure against their will. Keep your noses out of their business; stop restricting contraception and sex-education; and before long most pregnancies WILL be wanted, and so will most children. Get rid of the forced-birth movement altogether, and ALL children born will be wanted, welcomed and loved.

          • goatini

            Advocating in anti-American hate speech for the forcible erasure of the civil, human and Constitutional rights of female US citizens, as part of your militant movement to overthrow the government of the United States of America with a theocracy, IS what is INFLAMMATORY.

            We DON’T strip away citizens’ rights in the United States of America.

  • wildthang

    A problem with their logic then. So after marriage men magically transform into the ruler of the house with all the knowledge the woman is now supposed to accept as absolute. Can’t really defend a dog and dictatorship theory. What they would like to do is make sex illegal outside of marriage and perhaps use insurance coverage denial as a way to enforce it and make it even harder for women to get a divorce from a abusive male dominated marriage.
    The nuclear god granted family may be toxic now.
    Having more partners would make it harder to dominate in secret or hide other child or spousal abuse and also free everyone from excessive fear of being abandoned into poverty with a bunch of kids. And would allow more resources of all kinds and less need for jealousy and the ability to share less children for population control.

  • Thomas

    so your solution is the set-up taken in its entirety from that recent “rom-com” “the obvious child,” is that right??? Is that your idea of a loving and caring relationship??? If that’s the case, good luck as you will need it.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      What does this post mean?

  • Thomas

    I am no longer playing nice. I have been publicly accused by Fiona64 of beating my wife. I took a screen shot of her comment in order to preserve this unfounded and un-called for allegation against me.

    Fiona64 went from opposing the views of a pro-lifer to a very serious accusation. Does RHRC approve?

    • Suba gunawardana

      I am reminding you again: YOU publicly accused ME of a number of things, for which I requested proof several times, all of which you ignored.

      This is a two-way street, same rules apply to all: If you make allegations, you have to provide proof. If on the other hand you think it’s fine to make allegations without proof, others may do the same.

      • Thomas

        You assume similarly as Kitler that my comments that you insult others are on par with Fiona64’s accusation. Chew on this awhile before posting anything that will diminish your credibility even more and that of RHRC.

        • Suba gunawardana

          So you are now ADMITTING that you lied, and claiming that it’s perfectly fine to make false allegations as long as the alleged action is not that serious? lol

          • Thomas

            You used insults.

          • Suba gunawardana

            And yet you have no proof huh? See Thomas, THAT’s the definition of a lie, i.e. alleging something without proof to back it up :)

          • Thomas

            I just responded to one of your comments where you did. Look it up.

          • Suba gunawardana

            No, can you quote exactly what I said and when I said it? THAT’s evidence. Anything else is just your flapping gums.

          • Thomas

            You don’t remember your own posts, come on HA.
            Disqus will help you locate it…

          • Suba gunawardana

            Clutching at straws now are we? I found it, and here’s my response verbatim. Please ADDRESS it this time, instead of hiding your head in the sand as usual.

            >>Isn’t this hilarious? Besides the fact that my comment was not
            addressed to you, can you specify what exactly you consider to be an “insult” here? Then maybe we’d get somewhere.

            More importantly, your false allegation was made MANY HOURS (even a day) before I ever made this comment. So obviously you cannot use this comment as proof foryour claim, quite aside from the fact that this comment was not insulting, and not addressed to you.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Where has Suba used insults? You’ve also accused her of using vulgarities, which I’ve never seen from her either.

          • fiona64

            Boo fucking hoo.

          • goatini

            You came here with the specific intent to initiate insults and anti-American hate speech. Take your binky home and go cry.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            LIAR.

    • kitler

      If you are going to accuse us of being pro-death baby killers, expect us to not react kindly.

      • Thomas

        You are pro-abortion that is a fact that your posts support. Accusing me as Fiona64 did, is not a fact and is just dumb. Others will look at that comment and wonder if RHRC is remotely reputable as a host to this kind of stupidity.

        • kitler

          You called us pro death murderers.
          And you told us that YOU, not us, should have a say in our medical decisions.

          That’s pretty offensive

          • Thomas

            “Pro-death murderers,” now you are just plain wrong:
            I stated abortion proponents and also used the generic “murdering babies” and “abortion is murder” lines.

            The term “offensive” exists only in the mind of liberals. I am immune :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Flagged and downvoted for egregious abuse of prolife and prochoice men and women.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I am PRO birth for any woman who wants to give birth. I am PRO abortion for any woman who wants an abortion.
          YOU are PRO DEATH.

        • fiona64

          You accused us of being murderers. You used that specific word. Where is your evidence that any of us are murderers, you angry old buffoon?

          • Christine smith

            “You accused us of being murderers”.hey ,if the shoe fits ,wear it!

          • fiona64

            If you have any evidence that I, or anyone else here, has committed a felony, I suggest you share it.

            What a whackjob.

          • Christine smith

            :)

          • fiona64

            Yep … a whackjob.

          • Christine smith

            :)…:):):):)

          • fiona64

            ::yawns at the whackjob::

          • goatini

            Flagged and reported for anti-American hate speech against the civil, human and Constitutional rights of female US citizens to privacy, bodily autonomy, and reproductive justice. You’re a vicious liar seditiously advocating for a theocratic coup upon the United States of America in order to strip away the rights of over half its citizens. That is pure evil.

          • Christine smith

            Can’t take the heat ,get out of the kitchen !

          • Suba gunawardana

            Are you randomly quoting things from other sites?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well it’s not as if she’s intelligent enough to come up with her own material.

          • Suba gunawardana

            No, and some of the stuff she copies & pastes are not even remotely related to the topic or the post she is addressing.

          • Jennifer Starr

            That’s because she doesn’t even comprehend what she copies and pastes.

          • fiona64

            Have you ever noticed that it’s always the idjit who wants to live in a theocracy telling the person who points out that the US is a secular nation, that the second party should get out?

            I always wonder why the idjit doesn’t take him- or herself to live in a theocracy. I’m sure that Christine would fit right in in Afghanistan.

    • goatini

      You came here with the specific purpose of slinging unfounded and uncalled-for accusations against defenders of reproductive justice, and now you’re whining because you got a taste of your own medicine?

      • fiona64

        He called us murderers, and now he has his panties in a twist. Telling, no?

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          TurdFace comes here and calls us names and still gets a fair hearing. I go to LAN and politely express my opinion, no foul words and no name calling, and I get banned after 3 posts. And I am still banned. That is what annoys me the most.

          • Thomas

            May all adventurers in cyberspace know that I have not called anyone here any derogatory names. It is evident by reading all of my comments (of which I took screen shots). Plum in every comment to me as well as all other regulars here, used name calling and derogatory descriptors directed at me.

            The public will judge in my favor. Wait and see…..

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I thought you were leaving, TurdBreath.

          • kitler

            Plum just called you ‘turdbreath’.

            Better screenshot it as proof of your martyrdom. Nail yourself to that cross.

            What you have done at RHRC is equivalent to Jesus arrest and torture, Gandhi’s hunger strike, and Nelson Mandela’s decades in prison. You’re the Abe Lincoln of the 21st century.

            You are a brave soul Thomas. Scribes will write about your bravery and self sacrifice someday.

            We here at RHRC are lucky just to be in your historic presence.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            - laughing -

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Liar.
            Answer Fiona’s question:
            “You accused us of being murderers. You used that specific word. Where is your evidence that any of us are murderers, you angry old buffoon?”

          • fiona64

            May all adventurers in cyberspace know that I have not called anyone here any derogatory names

            Right, because accusing people of being murderers is not derogatory.

            You are insane.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            ‘The public will judge in my favor. Wait and see…..’
            ………….
            This is a favorite fetus cult threat. My Mother got an abortion when it was illegal. She offered me one. I ‘chose life.’ Stupidest decision I ever made.

            We could have lost my Mother. And we will lose a lot of American women to infertility and death if this threat becomes reality. Because women abort in the same numbers whether it is legal or illegal. And a lot of them die and leave children behind.

            Illegal abortion and sepsis and hemorrhage in childbirth are the leading causes of maternal death worldwide. Thomas and the forced birther cultists do not occupy the moral high ground.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Why do you need the public? Why can’t you defend your own philosophy (faulty though it is) by ADDRESSING REBUTTALS instead of whining about technicalities?

            Time and again I have challenged you to address my rebuttals (which refuted any & all points you brought, and contained NO insults). You keep ignoring the arguments and whining about “how you were treated”.

            Any person strong and confident in their philosophy is not swayed by insults & name-calls. The only reason you focus on such inane things instead of the topic, is that YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT.

          • Thomas

            I am exposing the regulars here for what they actually represent Suba. I attempted to present coherent arguments in the beginning. Not even a day passed when insults and mud slinging began from everyone (from you veiled thinly), such vitriol I have not encountered before.

            The collective here is not open to any arguments no matter how presented or reasoned, is that not evident??? The general public needs to be aware of how the regulars here operate. It is obvious to me now that RHRC could care less about any standing they may have out there, beyond this website. I need the public to expose RHRC for the extremists they are and host on their platform.

            Keep the vitriol coming.

          • Suba gunawardana

            And I countered every one of your arguments, more than once. As I said there are at least 20-25 of my rebuttals that you pointedly ignored.

            If you truly wish to engage in a debate, why not address the real rebuttals instead of whining about “how you were treated”?

            And once again you have failed to provide proof for the so called “thinly veiled insults”.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Which coherent arguments? If I recall correctly, your first comment here was talking about a movie which as far as I can tell, none of us have ever seen. Apart from you, apparently.

          • goatini

            The only thing you’re “exposing” is your anti-American hate speech militantly advocating for the forcible stripping away of civil, human and Constitutional rights from over half of America’s citizens.

          • goatini

            When you come to a website for defense of the civil, human and Constitutional rights to reproductive justice, and aggressively advocate for the forcible stripping of said rights from your fellow citizens, THAT IS DEROGATORY. When you come to a website for defense of the civil, human and Constitutional rights to reproductive justice, and call citizens defending their rights “murderers”, THAT IS NAME CALLING. You dished bullshit out and you can’t take it when you’re called out on it. Go cry, emo fetus fetish freak and misogynist.

          • Thomas

            Thanks for proving my point. Your response is pure gold :)

          • goatini

            So you’re proud of derogatory comments against the rights of your fellow citizens, and proud of vicious lying name-calling.

            There’s a point being amply proven here, but it’s not the one you think it is.

          • Christine smith

            Yes we will Thomas ! It’s very clear what’s going on here

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Fuck off, you crazy old twat.

      • Thomas

        You feminists use the word “fuck” quiet often don’t you. It is very telling about what is not happening in your lives….

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I can spell ‘quite,’ TurdBreath.

        • goatini

          100% sure you don’t say such BS to male posters on message boards.

        • kitler

          They do it to torture you my brave hero.

          Every time Plum or Fiona type “fuck” its like the nails going through Christ’s hands and feet. The spear piercing his side.

          Fuck, you ARE brave.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Do women need to manipulate men sexually to get them to behave? Yes.

  • Thomas

    I am addressing RHRC here:
    You are a website of ill repute and zero credibility. You provide a forum to those that degrade anyone who disagrees with abortion on demand. RHRC is not about dialogue but happily allows those who use derogatory personal attacks that reach beyond disagreement.

    This thread serves as a prime example to the general public of RHRC’s out of mainstream extreme ideology and it’s contempt for anyone who does not buy into the feminist agenda.
    Those “supporters” that contributed thus far to this thread are a disservice to RHRC’s mission and discredit any standing you may have within OUR society. If you disagree, wait for the derogatory responses this post will receive.

    Thank you for enlightening me these past three days to how you and your “supporters” operate. I leave this forum with a valuable lesson about RHRC and will share this lesson with all. The best advertisement is a word of mouth as they say :(
    Amanda Marcotte – are you proud of your supporters???

    Thank you and goodbye…

    • kitler

      You’re the next Gandhi, Thomas.

      Bless you.

    • fiona64

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, little Tommy-Troll …

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Does this mean you are leaving? Really? Good. Trashmouth dotty old twat.

    • Suba gunawardana

      Addressing Thomas here: I have responded to your posts without any derogatory remarks or insults, and logically addressed every single point you brought.

      There are about 20-25 of my rebuttals that you knowingly ignored. In addition you accused me (and others) of using derogatory remarks and vulgarisms, but never came up with proof despite repeated requests. Furthermore you were caught in a number of lies and misrepresentations.

      Now you are making non-factual (strictly emotional) complaints to the administration WITHOUT having engaged in a proper debate. Sounds rather cowardly to me :)

    • Jennifer Starr

      Go on, then. Flounce away.

    • fiona64

      ::yawn:: You’re funny.

    • goatini

      More full of shit than a Christmas goose.

  • Thomas

    Note to all: Goatini has been using a part of my response as an attempt to take me out of context and somehow proof that I devalue women. That comment of her’s, my original comment and my response to her only using a tiny verse from my original comment – can be located in the discussion on Islamic Moral Police.

    The general public will be the judge in how my comment was taken out of context…..

    • kitler

      Historians will write about you.

      Thomas..and MLK…side by side in the history books as heroes of the human rights movement.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Fiona’s question:
      You accused us of being murderers. You used that specific word. Where is your evidence that any of us are murderers, you angry old buffoon?

    • fiona64

      Couldn’t stick that flounce, I see …

      • kitler

        Of course not. We haven’t given him the martyrgasm he was counting on.

        • Jennifer Starr

          How would we do that?

          • kitler

            Perhaps we should ask?

            Wouldn’t it be lovely if PJ4’s rockstar husband were to write a song about Thomas’ self sacrifice and heroism?

          • fiona64

            “There’s a man I know … named Thomas … If I didn’t know him … he’d be the Thomas … I didn’t know. And Thomas … he went downtown …” /Dana Carvey filk

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas is a POS.
            Eee Eye Eee Eye Oh.
            Get some deodorant
            Smell will make you sick.
            Eee Eye Eee Eye Oh.

          • kitler

            These guys never cease to amaze me. I am now being mansplained to about the pain of childbirth – according to this guy, who has never been pregnant, labour and birth don’t hurt enough to justify ‘taking a life’.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas is not very smart. And he expects to be seen as caring and sane. In that, he demonstrates the chief delusion of the antichoice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas is a shitweasel and a dumb crass one at that.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas is dumb as a box gohmerts and twice as sanctimonious.

          • fiona64

            The rest of the tune:

            “And Thomas … he went downtown … to shriek at women …he doesn’t know.

            He calls it sidewalk counselING (“Murder!”) … sidewalk counselING (“Sluts!”) … sidewalk counselING (“Adoption is noble, even though I won’t adopt any unwanted babies!”)

            He’s going sidewalk counselllllllllllllllllll-ING!”

            Thank you, thank you. ::curtseys::

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes indeed–an extra soapy ballad about his courageous stance against the mean women who call him names and disagree with him–he’s even taken screenshots as evidence.

            But it’s not like he’s obsessive or anything….

          • Thomas

            You’re not mean. You’re just ignorant to the fact that with every comment you post here, you further marginalize your cause in the eyes of the general public.

            I took screen shots thanks to your not so bright doc in residents who seems to think that I am breaking “some” Texas Code on on-line harassment. Is he for real???

          • Suba gunawardana

            Uh oh! Looks like someone’s a little paranoid :)

          • Thomas

            Insults veiled thinly again HA. Doc in residence and Fiona are to thank for my need to take screen shots. Scroll to the comment each made that preceded my announcement of the screen shots.

          • Suba gunawardana

            What insults? It’s you who’s been talking about screen shots & some TX code all over the place. (I’m laughing so hard it;s difficult to type…)

            Come on, isn’t it rather paranoid to take screen shots? I;m sure you can look up all past posts on Disqus.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I guess he’s afraid we’ll all magically change them or something–it is rather paranoid.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Oh I see. No Thomas, you are not that important…

          • Jennifer Starr

            I am part of the general public, Thomas. As are the rest of these people here.

          • fiona64

            Heh. They’re also discussing how they just need to get you to understand the error of your ways, since you’re a decent person who clearly doesn’t understand why “what you worship” is so wrong.

            BWAHAHAHAHA! I guess none of them have read the numerous posts that both you and I have made talking about how we used to be anti-choice and that’s why we know their idiotic playbook so well.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Apparently they haven’t–oh that is just too,too funny

          • Thomas

            I find you as the most reasonable on here. If you choose to be influenced by the likes of “Fiona” who has only proven herself as the most vitriolic one, it’s on you….

          • Jennifer Starr

            Oh I made the switch to pro-choice long before I ever met Fiona on this message board. About twenty-two years ago, as a matter of fact.

          • fiona64

            Wow! I’m the “most vitriolic one”! I wonder if there will be cake to celebrate the fact that I’ve outdone every anti-choice poster here.

            Of course, it’s ironic coming from Thomas, who accused every one of us of being murderers … but I guess that’s not vitriolic on Planet Anti-Choice.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Prime example of how you devalue women. You assume that women cannot think for themselves and are invariably influenced by what others say around them.

            Ever heard of independent thinking?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Damn, Fiona, he called you “the most vitriolic one.” I thought I had that title. Bummer.

          • Thomas

            No, your new title is “someone who claims to engage in ‘Christian Ministry’ but contradicts herself with every comment she makes.” Little long-winded but so true…

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My title is Sister ICBM of Love. You can get your Unitarian Jihad title too at the link.
            http://www.whump.com/dropbox/other/ujname.html

          • Thomas

            So you are a fake after-all.

          • Jennifer Starr

            LOL– The Hand Grenade of Forgiveness. I like.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I love Unitarian Jihad.

          • Suba gunawardana

            You claim to be Christian but oppose abortion. What’s the logic in that? Doesn’t your god love abortion?

          • kitler

            Hmm…

            Perhaps he wants us to ‘manipulate him sexually’ ?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Oh that’s all kinds of eww–scary place in my head now…

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Ewwwww. Need the brain bleach. Ewwwwww. i would not do him with Ted Cruz’s dick.

          • Thomas

            This from someone who hides behind such moniker?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not have to hide. I have a very common Catholic Italian name. Mary de Angelis. If you google me, I come up on the 14th page after all the other Mary de Angelis, one of whom is an actress and one who is a clothing designer. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to talk about myself.

            I am a retired Christian minister and sometime chef. In fact, I am somewhat famous for my ministry in my own Christian sect. I am one of the original founders of the Fellowhip of Quakers in the Arts and I sat for a couple of years on the Outreach Committee of Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Society of the Friends of Jesus.
            This article is about some of my early work. I am very proud of what I have accomplished.

            http://fqa.quaker.org/types/t01-tryal.html

            I also write spiritual seminars. My last one, “Spiritual Gifts: What is it? How do I get one? And what do I do when I get it.,” was very well received.

          • Christine smith

            You are even more twisted than I thought .pleasesssssss!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Twisted Ministry. Now that sounds like a great name for a rock band. Thanks.

          • Thomas

            Please continue posting such Christian words on this militant website. It only helps us to expose you as a fake.

          • Jennifer Starr

            One of those ’80s hair bands :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yeah. Those are the ones. Who is this Christine person? Has it been here before? I think it is a lesbian on the prowl.

          • Jennifer Starr

            She’s been posting on another thread. Semi-literate, big on over-the-top histrionics, and, uses? a!! lot, of punctuation.

          • Thomas

            Militant and extremist, is that your true goal Jennifer???

          • Jennifer Starr

            My true goal is to get laundry done. And breakfast, but laundry first.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Got it. Sounds like histrionic personality disorder. Lucky us. She hisses.

          • Thomas

            Stay strong Ms. Smith. Plum here disputes her Christian “ministry” spiel every time she addresses you as a woman. It is very transparent what she represents.

          • Christine smith

            I can’t even engage her on a serious level.no one deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law ,which are written on the conscience of every man and women and yet what she represents is incredulous !

          • goatini

            ^^ Hisses like a snake ^^

          • Thomas

            All this must be the reason you use such profanity, personal insults and vitriol directed at anyone who disagrees with your ideology. Yes, that must be it!!!

            Christians stand for life and engage in pro-life work. You stand for abortion and engage in the devil’s work. Your “CV” does not impress as you are engaged in “ministry” that promotes he culture of death.

            Ultimately our “careers” do not define us one iota. What defines us is whether we are pro-life or anti-life.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Stop pretending all Christians and religious people oppose abortion. That is a stone lie.

            Founded in 1967, the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion was a network of clergy who referred women to safe (though still illegal) abortions. There were 26 ministers and a rabbi at the founding of the network, and more than a thousand when the Roe v. WadeSupreme Court Decision made the organization unnecessary.

            The existence of a group of clergy willing to refer women to abortion services was important primarily for two reasons:

            safer abortions: women who consulted with the service could often find more reliable, safer abortion procedures than if they relied on their own informal networks.

            ethical statement: the presence of clergy willing to take professional and legal risks to aid women seeking abortions was an ethical statement, important in changing social attitudes towards the legalization of abortion.

            Suggested Reading

          • Thomas

            They are not clergy in the face of God. They are driven by the collection plate and nothing more….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Okay, I think it is time to examine the attitudes of mainstream religions toward abortion. We will start with the Jews. These are the rules Jesus followed. Jews knew about and practiced abortion.

            Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother’s life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

            An unborn child has the status of “potential human life” until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother’s, because you cannot choose between one human life and another. – Judaism 101

          • Thomas

            Judaism is wrong in that regard and now many of its scholars openly dissent.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So the only response you have is “Nuh uh.”

            We have all given up expecting actual debate/argument from you. So no surprise.

            Now we will move on to religioustolerance.org and some of the excellent information they provide:

            Pro-choice groups:
            Liberal and some mainline denominations: In general, these either promote a woman’s right to choose an abortion, or are relatively silent on the matter. A number of liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and should remain legal. According to lists prepared by The Secular Web and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, they include, in alphabetic order:

            American Baptist Churches-USA (see below),
            American Ethical Union,
            American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,
            American Jewish Committee,
            American Jewish Congress,
            Central Conference of American Rabbis,
            Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
            Council of Jewish Federations,
            Episcopal Church (USA),
            Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot,
            Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,
            Na’Amat USA,
            National Council of Jewish Women,
            Presbyterian Church (USA),
            Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
            Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
            Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
            Unitarian Universalist Association,
            United Church of Christ,
            United Methodist Church,
            United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.

            Religious groups other than denominations:
            Catholics for Free Choice,
            Episcopal Women’s Caucus,
            Evangelicals for Choice,
            Jewish Women International,
            Lutheran Women’s Caucus,
            North American Federation of Temple Youth,
            Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation,
            Women of Reform Judaism,
            Women’s American ORT,
            Women’s Caucus Church of the Brethren,
            Women’s League for Conservative Judaism.

            Secular organizations: A number of secular organizations promote the right of women to have free access to abortions. These include:American Humanist Association
            NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation™
            Planned Parenthood Federation of America
            YWCA

            A list of statements by many of these organizations may be found on-line.

          • fiona64

            Are you a rabbi now, that you know what Judaism teaches and whether it is right or wrong?

            What a delusional POS you are.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I think you might be thinking of Pat Robertson.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy. Is that all you have?

          • fiona64

            So, you are now dictating who is and is not clergy, and is and is not Christian?

            You’re a joke.

          • fiona64

            Christians stand for life and engage in pro-life work.

            Right, that’s why there are no pro-choice Christians.

            Oh, wait: here’s one of only 13 million such organizations … http://rcrc.org/

          • Thomas

            You wish…

          • fiona64

            Well, I don’t know. I suppose we could bring along some tweezers and a magnifying glass to see whether it’s even possible …

        • fiona64

          He’s over there talking about how proud he is that he made us “come undone.” And, of course, his groupies are giving him the adulation that he can’t get here. Poor little Tommy-troll …

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            He has a rich full fantasy life. Maybe he will bring some groupies back with him. I like to mess with crazy people.

          • Thomas

            Are you sure it’s not the other way around :)

          • Christine smith

            I’m not the least bit affected by your “mess”

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The lady doth protest too much, methinks. – from Hamlet

          • Thomas

            Hey this is only the beginning. Normal women will counter your stupidity on this and other thread’s of this militant website that RHRC is. I will stick around to continue making the general public aware in that regard….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas, you are an incompetent shitweasal not a mental health professional. So diagnose away. No one cares or will care.
            You are ignorant, conforming and hostile = the authoritarian trifecta.

          • Thomas

            Who cares what our professions are. You discredit yourself and this militant website with every comment you make. Thanks for helping me take away any credibility you may have as as human….

            type away :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            In your dreams, TommyTripe, in your dreams. You want me bad. You stick around because you get a stiffy from dealing with us. We are the most exciting women you will ever meet and Christine the Lesbian could not pull you away from here with a crane.

          • Thomas

            I thought that feminists approved of the lesbian lifestyle and valued women in general. Please continue exposing yourself for the militant extremist group that you represent.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Where did I say Christine is bad for being a lesbian? I like lesbians about as much as I like drag queens. And I like some drag queens a lot.
            http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/2014/07/mama-tits-saves-seattle.html

          • Thomas

            So why bring it up in the first place? What does that have to do with Ms. Smith posting dissent? Nothing Ms. Plum. Your reasoning skills are off…

          • Jennifer Starr

            Ms. Smith doesn’t even know how to spell dissent, let alone post it.

          • Thomas

            And obviously, to my disappointment, you are unable to see Plum’s comments for their non-sequitur nature and how she twists.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re using non-sequitur incorrectly.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Quote Thomas:
            So why bring it up in the first place?
            ………………
            Now you want to tell me what to post? What hubris. I stopped reading right there. I wonder what you wrote.

          • Thomas

            no why bring it up as obviously you attempted to make it relevant to insulting me, and now you are backtracking eh…

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas, you do not get to tell me “No” anything.
            I stopped reading right there.
            Do you know where you are? Do you know who you are speaking to? Do you know why we are here?
            Are you high?

          • fiona64

            So, you’ve moved from obsessing about Jennifer and me to obsessing about Plum? Why is that, little Tommy Toon? Can’t get enough attention at home?

          • fiona64

            The only one making disapproving remarks about the “lesbian lifestyle” is you. BTW, my lesbian friends would like to know what the “lesbian lifestyle” is. Their lifestyles look much like mine, you see; going to work, the grocery store, doing laundry, walking the dog, etc.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            p.s.
            Do you not read what you type? You have been going on about my ministry for many posts now. You can lie to yourself with ease. But not to us. We actually read what you type.

          • goatini

            //You discredit yourself and this militant website with every comment you make. Thanks for helping me take away any credibility you may have as a human…//

            Yes, you and your fellow fetus fetish LIE Shite Spews trolls discredit yourselves and your militant anti-American website that advocates for a theocratic coup upon MY America, and you militantly advocate for the forcible stripping away of the civil, human and Constitutional rights of over half of America’s citizens, with seditious un-American hate speech against your fellow citizens.

          • Suba gunawardana

            In order to take away someone else’s credibility, it’s behooves you to be credible yourself………

            Now how many times have you been caught in lies just on this thread? I can count at least four.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Normal women like me are reading your comments and laughing hysterically.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            See and TommyTripe thought it was only nuts like me laughing at him. Poor TommyTripe, his dick is this big —> and the shame of it all has affected his medulla oblongata.

          • Thomas

            Keep it coming. Note to all, Plum’s claim that she is a Christian Minister is a lie!!!!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I proved my credentials by posting an account of my ministry from a religious publication. Who is the liar here? You are, TommyTurd.

          • Thomas

            Are you concerned that I now officially expose this militant website and its hateful extremist supporters to the general public?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Does it mean we will get more entertaining trolls like you? Wonderful. Things were getting a little slow since we kicked 5×5 to the curb.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well, it’s more entertainment than I usually get with my Sunday morning coffee. Usually it’s just a DVD and laundry, but this is just hilarious.

          • Thomas

            So you do not think this vitriol is read my level-headed and mainstream people? What message does RHRC and you send out?

            Honestly I think you have more to loose than gain. But it’s your CHOICE, isn’t it :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            More to lose by being on here right now? Nah, Season One of Hunter can wait until later. Right now this is much more fun. Works for me.

            Additionally, if your idea of level-headed and mainstream includes Christine, you might need more coffee.

          • goatini

            WE are the “level-headed and mainstream people”.

            YOU and the rest of your LIE Shite Spews hate speech militia are the aggressively militant anti-American extremists.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Why don’t you bring a bunch of your little friends tonight, to aid in your attempt to “expose the vitriol”? I could use some more entertainment.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh yeah. Christine seems like she will be a great addition.

          • fiona64

            You certainly do have a rather grandiose view of your own importance …

          • goatini

            //expose this militant website and its hateful extremist supporters//

            You’re doing a superb job of exposing the aggressively militant LIE Shite Spews and its hateful extremist supporters.

          • goatini

            The “militant” website is LIE Shite Spews, militantly advocating for a theocratic coup on MY nation, and militantly advocating for the forcible stripping away of the civil, human and Constitutional rights of over half of MY nation’s citizens. That is un-American seditious hate speech, and we are not interested in your theocratic cult nonsense.

          • Suba gunawardana

            lol Are you still here? If so how about addressing some real points for once instead of whining?

            Maybe we can start fresh. What are “normal women”?

          • Thomas

            Do not discouraged Ms. Smith. Those that value life will ultimately prevail.

          • Christine smith

            Limited intellect and unlimited ignorance Thomas.the only discouragement is the fact that God loves them too and they shut the door in his face .now that’s discouragement !

          • fiona64

            Limited intellect and unlimited ignorance Thomas

            Yes, that describes both you and Thomas to a tee. Thanks for calling it out in Thomas’ case.

          • goatini

            America is not a theocracy, and your imaginary mythological superstitions are bullshit. The problem here is that you fetus fetish freaks are anti-American hate speech propagandists who seek to aggressively strip away the civil, human and Constitutional rights of over half of American’s citizens. That is un-American seditious hate speech, and we are not interested in your theocratic cult nonsense.

          • goatini

            Princess Jasmine follows him like a fly follows shit.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            OMG she hisses like a snake and slimes all over you. Ewww.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Never seen such a bunch of cowards

          • Thomas

            insults veiled thinly that is the reason you got banned from LAN. You’re not as slick as you think…

          • Suba gunawardana

            This is about the fifth time you made an unfounded allegation.

            Earlier you claimed I made derogatory remarks & vulgarisms, then MISERABLY failed to provide proof.

            Now all of a sudden it’s “thinly veiled insults”? So I assume you retracted your previous allegation?

            That still doesn’t give you a free pass. WHAT veiled insults? Where’s the proof?

          • Thomas

            You can’t read, go back and check what I actually said.

            Note to all: another example of how feminists on this site twist and make up what those that disagree state.

            Amazing that the four” likes can’t read either…

    • Suba gunawardana

      Let me get this straight. Do you now claim that you value women?

      • Thomas

        See you too play this game. My comments speak to the contrary…

        • Suba gunawardana

          Your comments speak to the contrary, i.e. that you devalue women? :)

          Seriously, if you claim to value women how can you oppose contraception? And that’s just the least of it.

          • Thomas

            Again convolution. There are three comments I posted here in the past three days addressing only the coverage aspect of contraception. Should I make you look foolish and provide links to each??? I did not indicate anything in those comments that would support your assertion that I am against contraception. Pay for your own I stated repeatedly.

            You like to twist words, insert what was not said and lie, don’t you Suba…

          • Suba gunawardana

            And I countered that. Briefly: If we pay for you to breed, why shouldn’t you pay for contraception? It’s a two way street. (Which you never rebutted)

          • Suba gunawardana

            Oh BTW here’s another one of your gems showing how you “value” women:

            “Please do not resort to telling me that speaking against irresponsible intercourse and otherwise advocating for sexual responsibility is considered “policing” female sexuality as this simply does not withstand any logical scrutiny.”

            And I countered this too: What do you consider sexual responsibility? Women having sex only when forced-birthers tell them to?

          • Thomas

            Having sex responsibly in order to never having to be in the position to abort….

          • Suba gunawardana

            -That pre-supposes abortion is wrong, when I have pointed out time and again why it’s not.

            -EVEN IF abortion were wrong, exactly how do you propose “Having sex responsibly in order to never having to be in the position to abort….”? As you should know, no method of contraception is 100% effective.

            -IF you truly wanted to prevent abortion, you should be all FOR providing free contraception to all. Yet here you are opposing it. That makes you a hypocrite.

          • fiona64

            I’m sorry, that sentence does not make any sense.

          • goatini

            Impossible.

        • fiona64

          Your Freudian slip is showing, Tommy. Thanks for admitting that you do not value women.

    • goatini

      Bullshit. When vicious misogynist freaks trot out the old “women elsewhere have it worse than you” bullshit, there is no other meaning except “shut up and be grateful”. NOTHING was taken “out of context”.

      Here’s the original vicious misogynist comment. No other conclusion can be drawn from it except “shut up and be grateful”.

      http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/06/16/women-need-manipulate-men-sexually-get-behave/#comment-1477578417

      • Thomas

        full original comment:

        “As a feminist you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police (you know the
        ones who take action) and perhaps take up the cause of the oppressed women in that region. How about it?”

        • fiona64

          No, sweetie. That is not the full original comment. It is one excerpt from the full original comment, which has already been pulled up to prove you a liar.”

        • goatini

          //As a feminist you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police (you know the ones who take action) and perhaps take up the cause of the oppressed women in that region. How about it?//

          Translation: “Shut up and be grateful”.

          What I don’t get is that this nitwit keeps posting his “shut up and be grateful” bullshit over and over again, insisting that it means something other than “shut up and be grateful”.

    • Rainbow Walker

      Why didn’t you just copy and paste verbatim from the comment in question? Instead of having people hunt for it.

      Furthermore, we don’t need proof to know you devalue women. All one has to do is look at your posts.

      • Thomas

        full original comment:

        “As a feminist you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police (you know the
        ones who take action) and perhaps take up the cause of the oppressed women in that region. How about it?

        • Suba gunawardana

          One more reason to abolish all religions. All they do is oppress women & children.

          • kitler

            Plm is ignoring me now. Perhaps she will have time for you eh?

          • Suba gunawardana

            She is making the excuse that “she has no time to read my long posts”

          • kitler

            I pointed out that she should have time now…

            However, I am not holding my breath. She is utilizing Thomas strategy- tone trolling to avoid discussion. Argent did the same to me on SPL when I said that pregnancy = assault. She accused me of being hyperbolic and flounced.

          • Suba gunawardana

            I know, same excuses different people. It’s getting quite boring. And myintx is doing it repeatedly, as if she completely forgot the previous conversation…

          • Thomas

            That is not hyperbolic, that comparison makes you look just well idiotic.

          • kitler

            Its completely factual.

            Or would you not consider it assault if someone jabbed you in the arm and started stealing nutrients from your blood?

          • Jennifer Starr

            That is such a cop-out. She simply doesn’t want to answer.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Thomas is doing the same thing avoiding my long posts, except his current excuse is that I made “thinly veiled insults”. Apparently the insults graduated from derogatory vulgarisms to thinly veiled.

          • fiona64

            She simply doesn’t want to answer

            She *can’t.* She only knows her smarmy CPC scripts, and nothing else.

        • kitler

          FYI, abortion and contraception are permitted in Islamic nations

          • Rainbow Walker

            Abortion is illegal according to the Hadith after the fourth month. After that it is legal in the case of rape, the health of the mother or if the fetus “doesn’t move” [still born?]. If a woman kills her child there is a fine, usually killing of the male or female slave [as per the gender of the fetus]. Sometimes death if she killed a male heir.

            Premarital sex is forbidden. All forms of contraception is allowed for married couples save sterilization.

          • Suba gunawardana

            That is hilarious. The poor slave always gets the short end of the stick no matter what.

            Male or female slave? What other kind is there? :)

          • Rainbow Walker

            I guess you didn’t see my edit. It’s according to the gender of the fetus.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Thanks, I am a little slow tonight :)

          • Rainbow Walker

            Don’t think it’s you. Disqus sometimes doesn’t update edits in real time notice.

          • Thomas

            Read “Burned Alive.”

          • Rainbow Walker

            So? What about burning witches? Or a Christian burning their child’s genitals off for masturbation?

          • Thomas

            Are you serious? You are bringing up practices from 200 years ago to counter the here-and-now practices against women in that region. Not taking a stance on honor killings for a woman simply becoming pregnant? Yes, you are a disgrace to our gender.

          • Suba gunawardana

            The torture for masturbation thing is alive & well today, as are many other forms of child abuse in the name of Christianity. The fact that “other religions do crap too”, does NOT excuse all the abuse done in your religion.

          • fiona64

            He figures that it’s okay if cruelty performed in the name of Jesus (who wouldn’t recognize his teachings in either whackadoodle Thomas or whackadoodle Christine’s mouths). It’s only when brown people from the Middle East do it that it’s bad.

          • Rainbow Walker

            Practices from 200 hundred years ago? Try today. One of my patients had their genitals burned off for masturbation. A US “magician” was recently set on fire in the Dominican Republic. It still happens in Africa on a regular basis. All by Christians. That’s not even considering the FLDS and their “honor killings”.

            I think you need to get that little tin hat refitted. It’s cutting off the circulation.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas, you got a stiffy when you typed that, didn’t you? Confess.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I have read it. She got burned because she got laid. Premarital sex is a big NoNo in some Islamic countries. What is your point?

        • Rainbow Walker

          That’s just an excerpt.

          This is the full comment from your profile:

          “Are there laws against one-night stands? Perhaps pro-lifers peek in windows and/or monitor remotely? Any idea if there is any action taken in our society to curtail sexual activity for women (such as forced female genital mutilation)?

          As a feminist you need to look up the Islamic Moral Police (you know the ones who take action) and perhaps take up the cause of the oppressed women in that region. How about it?

          Please do not resort to telling me that speaking against irresponsible intercourse and otherwise advocating for
          sexual responsibility is considered “policing” female sexuality as
          this simply does not withstand any logical scrutiny.

          The freedom of expression in the United States allows both sides to have a debate, which simply it is. Convoluting the issue does not help, does it???”

          You really love to manipulate. How you hate women. You even ignore Christians mutilating their own for their sick religion.
          That old: their prejudice is not as bad as ours crap. And forced birthers try to act like “moral police”. You’re doing it now. Religious nut jobs trying to enforce the anti-sodomy laws after Lawrence was upheld by SCOTUS.

    • Christine smith

      I’m with you Thomas ! Screwball s on this thread .scape it off your feet brother

      • kitler

        You are still a brain dead moron.

        • Thomas

          Another feminist who respects all women? Carry on, this thread will be an expose to the entire Disgus and other Communities of the militant and extremist feminism on display here.

          • kitler

            What a treat. No need to watch Mel Brooks today – Thomas is putting on a show.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I was going to watch Season One of Hunter :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Go for it. Thomas will still be here when you get back. He has no self respect or brains and we give him a stiff dick.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I know. Now Thomas is not Thomas. He is, in his own words, “all women.” Thomas is a hoot.

          • fiona64

            I know, right? No need to do anything but make popcorn and wait for Tommy Toon to show up.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oooh … Tommy Toon. Good one.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Thomas wants us. He is having too much fun fapping to us and our bad words to leave now. Fap, fap, fap, fap …
        Thomas keeps the KY and the kleenex right there by the computer for convenience.

        • Thomas

          This is the exact reaction from you I desire. Carry on. Make RHRC and Ms. Marcotte proud…

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Fap, fap, fap ….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thomas, you have an effectiveness problem. You keep trying to slutshame me. I have no shame. Thank you, God.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    i disagree with Ms. Marcotte. I have fed my children more than once by manipulating men sexually.
    That said, what is the most interesting thing going on here IMO is the responses to Ms. Marcotte’s interesting article.

    If you want to get a good idea of the character and intelligence of the average Forced Birth Cultist, you need only read the posts of Thomas. Indeed, Thomas invites you to read his posts wherein he indicts all the terrible immoral murderesses. Enjoy. God knows I am having a good time.

    • Thomas

      Note to all: not the content of arguments but the vitriol with which the thread’s participants attack those that present pro-life point of view….

      • Suba gunawardana

        Come on, this is getting old. Stop making excuses and rebut some points if you are here to debate. Defend your philosophy if you can. If there’s strength in your philosophy, no amount of “vitriol” can deter it.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I am PRO life so naturally I am PRO choice.

    • Thomas

      Is that what Christians Ministers do? Manipulate men sexually.

      Ms. Marcotte and RHRC – Would you like Plum to be your official spokesperson, how about it, she does make you proud…..

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Jesus loves you but I think you are an anus.

        • Thomas

          RHRC and Ms. Marcotte, are you paying attention? Your mission is falling apart and you do nothing. Great for OUR society! Your silence is golden….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So flag me, Dummy.

          • Thomas

            And restrict your freedom of expression, why would I do that????

          • Jennifer Starr

            So you’ve moved from three to four question marks. Must be overwrought.

          • Thomas

            Concentrate on meaningless commentary. You sure you went to college in the 1990’s?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I thought it was funny.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re assuming that something you’ve written has meaning. I tend to disagree.

          • fiona64

            I don’t think Thomas is very tightly wrapped. He’s exhibiting signs of paranoia.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I think you’re right.

          • fiona64

            I don’t think he’s taking any screen shots; he just assumes we’re as paranoid as he is and that alleged threat of world-wide action will somehow silence us. ::whispers:: I think he needs to go back on his meds. ::stops whispering:: Because, apparently, he’s not bright enough to understand that people can see this stuff now — and the whackadoodle posts he’s made that are being deleted by mods only make him look like an even bigger lunatic.

          • kitler

            he wants attention

            desperately

          • fiona64

            Maybe if he were just a little nicer to his “wife,” he wouldn’t have to come here and annoy women to get attention. He’s behaving like the annoying little boy on the playground who thinks it’s a good idea to pull girls’ hair, and then gets very offended if the girl doesn’t react with delight to his bullying.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You want to restrict my private sexual life. And you insist that is moral. Why would you not do that, TurdBreath?

          • Thomas

            I want to end your “abortion rights” Einstein. Stop with that “restricting my private sexual life” non-sequitur. The post in which I argued all the impossibilities of pro-lifers “restricting women’s sexuality” was deleted I guess so that you can spit this line over and over again w/o noticeable dissent.
            You are getting more and more desperate with this line. No-one outside of this militant and extremist blog is buying it…

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am a woman. Childbirth is part of my sexual life. I think you need a course in human biology.

            You cannot end my abortion rights.

            ‘Every man has a property in his own person and this no one has a right to but himself.’ – John Locke, Second Treatise on Government

          • Suba gunawardana

            Restricting abortion IS restricting sexuality. And you were all for restricting contraception too.

          • fiona64

            I want to end your “abortion rights” Einstein.

            Hey, boy genius … forcing women to give birth *is* restricting their sexual lives.

            You are getting more and more desperate with this

            Says the paranoid little man who claims he’s taking screen shots of everything …

      • Jennifer Starr

        Well, you were the one who took issue with Amanda saying that men don’t need to be manipulated sexually. So I assume you believe the opposite?

        • Thomas

          I believe that Amanda Marcotti needs to mobilize you gals to support oppressed women world-wide instead of being the spokesperson for men’s sexuality.

          Screen shot taken.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Amanda is just one writer on this site. One of many, and this site covers many different topics.

          • Thomas

            Amanda Marcotti is so interested in men’s sexuality and yet also (just like the crowd here) cries that we “regulate” women’s sexuality. Freud would say Ms. Marcotti is projecting….

            Screen shot taken…

          • Jennifer Starr

            How is she interested in men’s sexuality? By saying that they don’t need to be manipulated?

          • fiona64

            Thomas must be feeling vulnerable to Amanda’s magic powers …

          • Jennifer Starr

            So vulnerable that he’s lost the ability to spell her name.

          • fiona64

            Which is really sad when you consider that it’s right there at the top of the page as an exemplar …

          • Jennifer Starr

            I thought at first that it was a deliberate misspelling, but that didn’t make sense–not that he’s made that much sense so far, but even so.

          • fiona64

            The LieActionNews gang all seem to have a major hard-on for Amanda … it’s very odd.

          • fiona64

            you gals

            Condescending much, Tommy?

          • Thomas

            Look who is talking.

          • fiona64

            You seem awfully cranky, Tommy. Are “us gals” keeping you from your afternoon nap?

          • Jennifer Starr

            I have never seen a grown man (I’m assuming it’s grown) go to pieces like this over a couple of deleted posts on a little message board–this is almost as bizarre as that Attila guy and his fear of hormones in lady pee.

          • fiona64

            Like I said, they all start to remind me of cranky toddlers after a while. At least Attila V. had some native intelligence going on (I have to give him that), even if, IMNSHO, it is woefully misdirected.

  • Thomas

    Deleting comments that challenge RHRC to support women such as the one who penned her memoir “Burned Alive.” Can’t stand the truth that you are only pro-abortion and not anything else that would protect such women. Interesting….

    Screen shots always help. Now that you deleted my response to doc in residence, I will never forget to take one every time :)

  • Thomas

    You have also deleted that one comment in which I asked and discussed possible impossible scenarios to RHRC’s claim that we police female sexuality. Luckily I do have a screen shot of that comment :)

    So the forces of militance and extremism are finally on display in how RHRC manipulates what is posted.

    Note to all. RHRC started deleting my comments due to the logical, non-insulting reasoning posited to challenge this website. I found two thus far, will there be more???

    • Jennifer Starr

      Deletion is up to the moderators. None of us commenting here have that power.

      • Thomas

        You can’t read Jenny. Look above, I stated “RHRC is deleting my comments………..” Pay attention :)

        Screen shots preserve the comments that RHRC will delete to expose this sorry forum for the hypocricy it practices :(

        • Jennifer Starr

          Yes, Tommy, I read it. And?

          • fiona64

            Tommy Toon seems to have a rather inflated view of his own importance.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes, and apparently he imagines himself to be on a crusade to ‘expose’ something. *snort*

          • Thomas

            Does that bother you that I do that Jenny? I will continue to expose RHRC and take those screen shots you and your cohort hate so much. All need to be aware of RHRC militant and extremist ideology and how RHRC manipulates comments….

          • Jennifer Starr

            Doesn’t bother me. Amuses me.

          • Thomas

            So what that means is that you are not genuine :(

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, it means that I find it absofuckinglutely hilarious.That’s what it means.

          • Thomas

            I’m not going away :)

          • Suba gunawardana

            Hello Thomas! I see you are back here whining about screenshots & whatnot, but not a single rebuttal to valid questions.

          • Thomas

            I was dragged through mud for my rebuttals. IS that not evident everywhere in this thread Suba. Pay attention please.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Dragged through the mud? You are such a drama queen.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Let me remind you once again that you have pointedly ignored a number of valid rebuttals.

            It would be one thing if you had ADDRESSED all points & then whine about insults. Making a huge fuss about perceived insults while completely ignoring the points, only demonstrates that you have no argument.

          • fiona64

            You didn’t make any rebuttals.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What rebuttals. You rebut nothing. You whine, slutshame, threaten, accuse and generally bore everybody nearly to death. But rebuttal? Not even one.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You never rebutted any of Suba’s comments. You just picked bits out of context and started screeching about ‘thinly-veiled insults’.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And?

          • fiona64

            The moderators might have a different idea …

          • Thomas

            Let them delete away. They are very good at that it seems.
            Screen shots always help :)

          • fiona64

            Why you so mad, bro?

          • kitler

            Thomas, why don’t you create a blog. Call it “EXPOSING RHRC BY THOMAS”

            and you can post it on all of the pro life sites to wild applause

            So, you gonna do it?

          • Jennifer Starr

            He also needs to add a video with a tearful plea or something–that would be just icing on the cake.

          • fiona64

            I can just hear it:

            ::sniffle:: “And then … and then? After I called them all murderers? They were *mean* to me. It’s not fair. And one of them gals? She said I should go back to beating my wife or whatever other hobbies I had and stop trolling. I didn’t do anything to deserve that; I’m a good Christian. I mean, okay, I lied and stuff when I said that my rights as a father were ruined by an abortion that never happened, but still. I’m a good Christian. I was just as polite and nice as pie and everything, even when I called them all murderers. Those gals are mean. You need to do something about this.” ::sniffle::

          • Thomas

            I prefer direct action :)

          • kitler

            Bragging to us that you have screenshots won’t accomplish anything.

          • Thomas

            Not you Einstein. Ultimately RHRC will get the honors.

          • kitler

            How so? If youre not gonna post your screenshots, no one is going to know or care.

          • Thomas

            The outside world will, which counts for more than you think. On here these would only get deleted as that is the RHRC way.
            screen shot taken.

          • kitler

            No, it won’t. Because you just said you won’t be posting your expose online.

            So what’s the point?

          • Thomas

            I said the outside world will Einstein. To whom I show these posts is none of your business.

          • kitler

            Ohhhhh.

            You gonna alert the FBI?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Oh I would love to hear a recording of that call, and the hysterical laughter on the FBI end.

          • fiona64

            Maybe even the CIA, since we have posters from all over the world. The RCMP may be next; you never can tell. MI5? There are no limits to the potential Very Important People to Whom Tommy Will Show His Screenshots (TM).

          • Thomas

            The FBI and CIA? You gals are so out of touch with the mainstream, it’s not even up to debate. The extremist and militant nature of your presence exposed to OUR society.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Not just our, but OUR?

          • fiona64

            He apparently believes he has a special society.

            And it may be true … inside his head.

          • Thomas

            parroting is the lowest form of an intellectual response.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Who said I was parroting?

          • kitler

            I’m just having fun wondering where you are going to expose RHRC to the world.

            You gonna take your stunning expose/screenshots to Rush Limbaugh? Operation Rescue? Inside Edition?

            Hey Thomas…maybe you can get a spot on The O’Reilly factor and Bill can quiz you about the persecution you suffered here! Just think, you’ll be a hero, and PJ4 will wash your feet with her hair!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Toon, we are exposed to the world right here and right now.
            Anybody in the whole world can come here and probably do because RHRC is fairly well known.
            How do you plan to improve on that exposure?

          • fiona64

            Oooh … I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m just trembling in my boots. /sarcasm

            People can see it *now,* genius. The posts are public.

          • Thomas

            Number of my post have been deleted but the insulting responses from RHRC “supporters” left untouched.

          • fiona64

            I ask again, why you so mad, bro?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Your posts have been put in moderation. That is not deleted. I can still see them if I choose to.

          • Thomas

            And yet insults from you gals are not moderated. I rest my case Einstein.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Truth is an absolute defense to a charge of slander.

          • fiona64

            Tommy seems to think that he’s being singled out for special attention. I think all of us were moderated when we first got here, and many of us have had posts deleted.

            Tommy is a narcissist; it’s all about him!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Must agree. He exhibits the behaviors.

          • kitler

            I too was initially moderated. Had to ask them to unmoderate me on Facebook.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I had a five day stretch where nothing I was posting was turning up–then on day six they all turned up at once :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Someday, Kitler, the world will write poems of Thomas and his bravery. Maybe Calvin will give him a medal.

          • fiona64

            I know, my “Sidewalk CounselING” parody of “Choppin’ Broccoli” is not nearly the paean that Thomas deserves for the sacrifices he’s made here, and out in the real world … trying to tell the truth about how Pres. Obama is a Kenyan Muslim (read his posting history for serious lulz), how all pro-choice people are murderers, how all Christians are anti-choice. He’s workin’ so hard, y’all, and we are just not giving him his just due.

            I suggest that the poem about Thomas begin with

            “There once was a man from Nantucket”

            whether or not that’s where he’s from.

          • Thomas

            I don’t do this for Calvin. You are so shallow Jenny.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Do what? Make an imbecile out of yourself?

          • fiona64

            No, you do it for Cassy. Smooch, smooch, smooch!

          • fiona64

            He’s over there kissing Cassy Fiano’s tukkus even as we speak …

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah, I saw the post. He’s not even aware of how ridiculous he sounds.

          • Suba gunawardana

            It would behoove your to stop with the empty words & take action. This is getting quite boring.

            Too much bark = no bite.

          • fiona64

            As I used to say about Dubya … this one is all hat and no cattle.

          • fiona64

            So you admit you’re trolling (which we all know anyway).

            Why you so mad, bro?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Only thing Toon is exposing is his fat flabby dupa.

          • Thomas

            Not above ethnic insults either. How is that not militant and extremist? Attacking proper names, where people live and now their ethnicity. RHRC is so proud, right moderators??

            The three regulars here continue exposing this blog’s hypocrisy. You do not respect anyone beyond the vitriolic “supporters.”

            Is this going to moderation too? Screen shot taken of Plum’s comment and my response.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am Polish and Italian American, Piscialetto. So where is the insult? You do not have a dupa?
            I respect a lot of people. I do not respect you.

          • Thomas

            Who cares what your heritage is? The only thing people will remember about you is your anti-life ideology and the vitriol you spew on anyone who dissents.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You were the one who accused Plum of making ‘ethnic insults’.

          • Thomas

            And I guess she needed to bring up the meaning of a body part in another language to make what point? You understand this not make for a polyglot. My advice – stick to English :)

          • Jennifer Starr

            Are you telling us that you don’t have one?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Well that was dramatic. Pooh pooh.

          • fiona64

            I’m sorry; that was not nearly histrionic enough. Could you throw in some extra exclamation marks and some foot-stomping?

          • fiona64

            The three regulars

            There are a whole lot more than three regulars here, Tommy. This isn’t LieSiteSpews.

          • Thomas

            You are right, a total of seven regulars.

          • fiona64

            I’m sure you find that (false) idea very comforting, little man.

            Just go back to kissing Cassy Fiano’s tukkus; that seems to be your strong suit. Smooch, smooch, smooch!

          • Jennifer Starr

            The only vitriol I’ve seen here is from you, Tommy.

          • Thomas

            None of my comments reach to vitrolic name calling and you know it. The comments from the regulars speak for themselves. You are not as perceptive as I thought :(

          • fiona64

            None of my comments reach vitriolic name calling and you know it.

            Liar. Your opening salvo was to call all of us murderers.

          • Jennifer Starr

            None of my comments reach vitriolic name calling and you know it.

            Bullshit.

          • Thomas

            Can’t see your own hypocrisy either? You claimed that dissent does not get deleted by RHRC. Evidently they are proving you wrong…

          • Jennifer Starr

            I claimed no such thing.

          • fiona64

            Polite, reasoned dissent remains, Tommy. You have provided neither.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      I cannot delete anyone. No here can. Moderators can. Write them. Quit whining to us.

    • Suba gunawardana

      Seriously: Are you sure they were deleted? Sometimes posts don’t show on the thread. That doesn’t mean they are deleted. The thread hides posts for some reason & they randomly show up later. (at least I haven”t figured out the mechanics of it).

      Make sure the posts are actually gone from your feed before assuming they are deleted.

      • fiona64

        But then he wouldn’t have anything to whine about!

      • Thomas

        This one was:

        “Are there laws against one-night stands? Perhaps pro-lifers peek in
        windows and/or monitor remotely? Any idea if there is any action taken
        in our society to curtail sexual activity for women (such as forced
        female genital mutilation)?

        • fiona64

          Again, you merely excerpt your angry, hate-ridden posts to try to make you look like some sort of martyr.

          You are, in fact, behaving in an extraordinarily infantile fashion.

        • Suba gunawardana

          There was more to that post, and it was amply rebutted, more than once.

          If you really have an argument, why not counter the rebuttals instead of whining about the original post? ( I do disagree with deletion. However for the purpose of debate, the absence of the original post doesn’t even matter, and you can always re-post it in your rebuttal).

  • Thomas

    Now my comment to Ms. Smith that pro-life will ultimately prevail was deleted while the response from Kitler to Ms. Smith is still there.

    kitler Christine smith•2 days ago

    You are still a brain dead moron.

    Reply

    This comment was deleted.

    RHRC moderators have no integrity.
    Screen shot taken.

    • Suba gunawardana

      Personally I don’t like any posts being deleted, particularly the moronic ones from forced-birthers. I think the idiocy should be on display for the whole world to see, but many mods seem to have a different attitude.

      Anyway I am more interested in your second point, where you complain about Killer’s post NOT being deleted. I thought you were complaining about deletion?
      Well, if you think that post should have been deleted, Why? Do you think it’s false? If so, can you provide proof? :)

      • fiona64

        He reminds me of a little boy having a temper tantrum, with his tu quoque argument.

      • Thomas

        Can you provide proof that my post that was deleted stating “Do not get discouraged Ms. Smith, pro-life will prevail” was inappropriate? Yet you approve of an insult remaining there. Yes Suba, you are a believer in insults and thus this is the only place for you.

        • Jennifer Starr

          Why should she have to provide proof? She’s not a moderator.

        • Suba gunawardana

          Already told you I don’t approve of ANY deletions at all. How do you take that to mean “I considered your post to be inappropriate”?

          I absolutely don’t CARE whether any posts are appropriate or not, and would like all of them to stay up. Particularly the moronic ones with forced-birth agenda, so the idiocy remains on display for the whole world to see. That’s why I never flag.

          “Yes Suba, you are a believer in insults and thus this is the only place for you.”

          Again insults are totally irrelevant to me. If your philosophy is strong you should be able to defend it on logic alone (as I do) without whining about “insults”. I have been insulted plenty. I NEVER whine about them or flag, I just rebut any substance with fact & logic. If you are here to debate, you should be able to do the same.

    • fiona64

      Why you so mad, bro?

      • Thomas

        You keep repeating this line over and over. Can’t refute the facts?

        • Jennifer Starr

          There were facts?

          • Thomas

            You are not a very good feminist Jenny. That is a fact.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And you’re a drama queen.

          • Suba gunawardana

            What is a “good feminist”? One that subscribes to the forced-birth agenda and considers it perfectly ok to subjugate women children & animals?

          • fiona64

            In his mind, a “good feminist” is someone like Phyllis Schlafly … in other words, not a feminist at all.

          • fiona64

            You so mad, bro. Why dat?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If that is a fact, you can prove it. We will wait while you find the proof that Jennifer is not a good feminist.

          • fiona64

            ::hands Tommy some cheese to go with his whine::

        • fiona64

          You haven’t shown us any facts, bro. Why you so mad?