New Hampshire Governor to Sign Bill Creating Abortion Clinic Buffer Zone


New Hampshire will join a growing number of states and municipalities that have passed restrictions on anti-choice protests at reproductive health-care clinics. On Thursday, the state senate voted on final passage of a bill that would create a 25-foot buffer zone around the five clinics in the state that provide abortion services. 

The senate voted 13 to 10 to adopt changes made in the house. The legislation now goes to the governor’s desk for signature or veto. A spokesperson for Gov. Maggie Hassan says the governor will sign the bill, and told New Hampshire Public Radio that Hassan believes women should have the ability to access reproductive health-care services without fearing for their safety. 

SB 319 is a response to more than 60 patient complaints filed since the beginning of 2013 by patients of Planned Parenthood in Manchester; the complaints often included reports of verbal harassment, intimidation, or passage-blocking by anti-choice protesters. The legislation had bipartisan support when it was introduced by Sen. Donna Soucy (D-Manchester), including from Senate Majority Leader Jeb Bradley (R-Wolfeboro). 

Despite not being recommended favorably by committee, the bill had passed the senate by a 15 to 9 margin that included four Republicans. The house then passed the bill with a 162 to 100 vote that included 13 Republicans voting for it to pass. 

Linda Griebsch, executive director of the Joan G. Lovering Health Center in Greenland, was one of more than two dozen supporters who testified at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. She said that so-called sidewalk counselors—anti-choice protesters who attempt to persuade patients from entering clinics—engage in “nothing more than harassment and intimidation.” 

Opponents of the legislation claim the new law is a “knee-jerk reaction.” Sen. Sharon Carson (R-Londonderry) said during the floor debate that the bill would be an infringement on free speech. “Whether you agree with the speech or not, these folks have a right to be there,” said Carson.

Jennifer Frizzell, senior policy advisor at Planned Parenthood of Northern New England, previously explained to RH Reality Check that Republicans who might normally be characterized as anti-choice supported the bill. “Regardless of where they are on abortion, they believe that women ought to be able to enter health-care facilities to obtain a legally protected service without harassment and intimidation,” said Frizzell. 

If signed into law, the bill will make New Hampshire the 17th state with legislation protecting patients entering reproductive health-care clinics, and only the fourth to require a specific distance for protesters; the cities of Madison, Wisconsin, and Englewood, New Jersey, also both passed buffer zone policies this year.

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  • ChrisFunguy79

    The fetus should have a 25-ft buffer zone against anyone wishing to do it harm.

    • goatini

      The fetus is not a person, not a citizen, not the patient, and has NO rights.

    • J.D.

      When the fetus is no less than 25 feet away from occupying an unwilling woman’s womb, then we’ll talk.

      • ChrisFunguy79

        “I’m unwilling to have a fetus inside my uterus, but I’m going to keep practicing unprotected sex because that will never, ever, result in a fetus inside my uterus.”

        • Suba gunawardana

          First, PROTECTED sex does not preclude pregnancy, as no contraceptive method is 100% effective.

          Second, (as we discussed on the other thread), knowledge of possible consequences does NOT bind you to those consequences. I will repeat my question: If a rapist walks in through the door you left open, are you obligated to let him rape you, considering “you should have known better than to leave the door open”?

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Creating a life does not entitle one to kill it.

          • Suba gunawardana

            It’s not creating a life that entitles one to kill it, but being unable/unwilling to take care of a child for as long as necessary. Anyone who cannot/won’t care for a child should NOT be spitting out a baby.

            More importantly, there is NO reason that would entitle anyone to force other people’s unwanted fetuses to birth.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            People who use abortion as birth control are sick.

          • Shan

            Says you, not the law. If you think the law should be changed, give us a good reason.

          • cjvg

            People who try to argue actual living breathing aware and sentient women have less rights then a potential are sick

          • Shan

            Oh, and also? Everybody who has an abortion is using it as birth control because….guess what? When you have an abortion, there is no birth!

          • cjvg

            Hush, you will confuse it by using logic and reason, you know those are the devils implements.

          • Shan

            I’m not worried, it never says anything in response.

          • cjvg

            Yeah it is a bit of a coward.

          • Shan

            Yeah. Because it’s just smart enough to know where the questions I’m asking are leading it but it’s not willing to go there because it knows it’s going trapped in its own logic fail.

          • cjvg

            Oh, now I just get a mental image of a big rat sniffing around a trap.
            Big ugly scurvy mean rat

          • Shan

            Nah, not even that bad. Don’t give it that much credit.

          • cjvg

            no credit , just revulsion

          • Suba gunawardana

            That would be an insult to rats…. :)

          • cjvg

            depends, some are mean little buggers

          • Suba gunawardana

            Purpose of abortion is to prevent birth, i.e. birth control.

            But if you mean using abortion in lieu of condoms or the pill, why would anyone do that? Abortion is obviously far more expensive & inconvenient than the latter.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            “why would anyone do that?”

            You apparently haven’t read about Emily Letts.

          • Suba gunawardana

            So in your opinion why did Emily Letts do it?

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Well, I don’t have to rely on my opinion….

            She stated that it was because she didn’t want to get fat from hormonal birth control. Why she chose not to use condoms….I have no clue.

          • Suba gunawardana

            There you go, she had a reason.

            Now what is YOUR reason for judging what women do with their bodies?

          • ChrisFunguy79

            No, you’re right. The chance of getting fat is a perfectly good reason to not use birth control and get an abortion. She obviously was thinking clearly.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            She was using NFP.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            So she’s an idiot.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do you wish to force Letts the idiot to give birth?

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Do you wish to destroy a human existence for her own enjoyment?

          • JamieHaman

            No sane person destroys a possible human for someone else’s own enjoyment. Your comment makes no sense.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Then Emily Letts isn’t a sane person. But she’s this websites hero.

          • Arekushieru

            She didn’t destroy a fetus for her enjoyment, you freaking ASS. She terminated a pregnancy, and the videotape of it went VIRAL. That’s IT, that’s effing ALL.

          • JamieHaman

            Yes she’s an idiot. Is that what you want? Idiots having babies? Really? You think this country needs More idiots? Now who’s being an idiot?

          • Arekushieru

            And, according to you, most anti-choicers are idiots.

          • Arekushieru

            Wrong. You are still spewing your BS. Nowhere that I’ve read does it mention that she didn’t want to use birth control (purely) because it made her ‘fat’. But I HAVE read articles that mentioned she didn’t want to use birth control because she didn’t like how it affected her mentally. Oops.

          • ChrisFunguy79
          • JamieHaman

            The cosmo article mentions weight gain, but also mentions “depression etc.” which does include a whole list of things that can go wrong with hormonal birth control. Should have “mentioned” those things too.

          • Arekushieru

            So, according to Jamie, I was right… and you are wrong. Butthurt?

          • L-dan

            So abortions are fine so long as birth control was used beforehand?

            Well, that sort of shows the real agenda doesn’t it? Suddenly it’s not about ‘murdering’ a ‘baby’, it’s all about punishment for not having sex appropriately, where you define what’s appropriate.

          • JamieHaman

            I think you nailed it L-dan. Beautifully.

          • cjvg

            I had a tumor removed, even though I created it!

          • ChrisFunguy79

            A tumor isn’t a life. Nice try though.

          • cjvg

            It is living and growing, what is the difference with a fetus?

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Does it have different DNA? A heartbeat? A brain? Arms? Legs?

          • cjvg

            Actually yes it can. A fertilized egg, or a blastula, zygote, (early) embryonic phase does not have arms or legs or a heartbeat either so I guess we are in agreement that neither are a life. (at the end of embryonic phase the circularly system is completed)

            Not until the middle fetal phase will you encounter all of those, but hey ignorance is bliss for chris

          • ChrisFunguy79

            “Not until the middle fetal phase will the embryo first acquires human appearance”

            You clearly have never seen a 8-week old (fetal age) fetus. Google it.

          • cjvg

            You are clearly completely and devastatingly uneducated about human developmental stages.! Embryonic phase lasts from the third week through the eighth week after conception.

            Fetal phase lasts from weeks nine to thirty-eight (The medical definition of the fetal period extends to forty weeks because it is measured not from conception but from the onset of the woman’s last menstrual period, usually two weeks earlier.)

            No wonder you failed higher education, you do not even have basic biology down.

          • Shan
          • JamieHaman

            Did that. Not human. Potential for human, just like an egg is potential for a chicken. Not human.

          • P. McCoy

            Chris and to so called pro lifers -If abortion is murder then breaking eggs to make an omelet is animal abuse, when will you stop eating anything made with eggs. Biology is not destiny and forced birth is slavery.

          • Arekushieru

            My mother had a tumour removed that was created from the same fertilized egg that eventually developed into her. Therefore, it had different DNA and it took 60 years to develop large enough on her spine that it was noticed upon examination. Certainly sounds like it was living (and growing), too, doesn’t it?!?

          • purrtriarchy

            Interesting. I can’t recall if I showed this to you already but:

            http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409004/how-a-tumor-is-like-an-embryo/

          • Arekushieru

            Very interesting! Especially given that this one DID originate from an embryo (zygote/blastocyst).

          • Shan

            Sure it does. If you’re pregnant and don’t want to be, you have the right to kill it no matter how you got that way.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            OK, so you obviously don’t support a woman being forced to support a baby that she doesn’t want. Should the man be forced to support a baby he doesn’t want?

          • Shan

            OK, so you obviously have no idea what we’re talking about here.

            What I don’t support is women being forced to gestate and give birth if they don’t want to. But I DO think all born babies should be supported by their parents, whether they wanted them to be born or not.

          • lady_black

            Exactly. I’ve been trying to pound that into the MRA trolls (and sadly, even a few of our own). Men do not experience, nor take the risks of pregnancy, therefore they shouldn’t be permitted to exert influence on women to either pressure them to abort or carry to term. That includes physical, mental and financial coercion. Once a child is born, the law doesn’t care whether it’s parents wanted it or not. Either they mutually relinquish the child for adoption, or they mutually support the child.

          • Arekushieru

            Man OR woman you are forced to support a child because they are now BORN. This INCLUDES cases where the parents have separated. The one who has custody and the one who does NOT (whether or not they are man or woman) IS required to support the child. Oops.

          • JamieHaman

            Men who hop into bed with women and don’t know what her response to pregnancy will be are sluts. Their decision upon hopping into said bed without ensuring no pregnancy, via condom, or vasectomy is to be willing to father a child. A man who is willing to father a child is a man who should pay for the privilege of being a parent.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Slut-shamer

          • JamieHaman

            I’m promoting equality of the sexes! Men who “get some” are sluts just like women who “get some.”
            If men aren’t sluts for this….neither are women. Then it becomes acting on a biological instinct, or imperative or plain old fashioned desire.
            BTW, I am amazed at your ability to ignore any part of a comment and focus on fluff.
            It actually prevents you from contributing to the conversation.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Trust me, it’s never contributed anything of worth to any conversation here.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Interesting that you implicitly admit to slut-shaming women as well.

          • Arekushieru

            Sorry, but no, they didn’t. Reading comprehension, it doesn’t hurt, ass.

          • Arekushieru

            Nope. Not admitting that. But even IF you were killing the fetus it is entirely irrelevant to whether women have bodily autonomy or not. Oops.

          • Arekushieru

            (Somewhat: I will get into that further, down below, however) agreed, I don’t define abortion, itself, as killing, not only legally or medically but, personally, because it would differentiate between a biological standard unique to women and all other standards. Pro-’lifers’ tend to agree with that. Because a lot of them will claim that removing the Fallopian tubes and uterus to prevent an ectopic pregnancy from developing (further) isn’t direct killing. However, even if I did consider it direct killing, I wouldn’t have an issue with abortion.

            The reason I only agree with that somewhat, though, is because a right to kill implies that there are only limited circumstances in which someone can *not* kill the other. Semantics, though, I know. Forgive me, please? >_<;

          • L-dan

            Coming into existence doesn’t entitle one to use another’s body as life support against their will.

            One is, however entitled to prevent someone using one’s body.

            If sex resulted in infants popping into existence beside the bed, there wouldn’t be a discussion. As it is, I’m sorry, but sex–even unprotected sex–does not merit the punishment of no longer being able to decide if one is willing to risk their life and health at the task of growing a zygote into a baby.

          • purrtriarchy

            I have heard the hilarious analogy that sex = pressing a red button that leads to a few seconds of pleasure, and 1/100 times a baby pops out of a chute. You don’t have the right to kill the baby so why should you have the right to abortion???

            All of these analogies fail because they 1) completely disregard the role of sex in a healthy physical/emotional life 2) embryos are not fully formed autonomous infants

          • L-dan

            yep. It’s a great analogy…

            if you think women are toasters and they just sort of pop out babies on demand.

            I see 5×5′s latest sock finally got banned too. Kid seriously does not have a life.

          • JamieHaman

            Do you also protest the number of deadbeat dads who refuse to pay child support for their children? Who refuse to be active participants in their children’s lives? Do you go to prisons and counsel the men who have beaten or murdered their wives?
            If you aren’t doing that, holding those men responsible for their poor behavior, you aren’t helping solve any thing. All you are doing is being a pest without solutions.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            “Do you also protest the number of deadbeat dads who refuse to pay child support for their children?”

            Yes.

          • JamieHaman

            Good for you! What about those men who beat or murder their wives?

          • P. McCoy

            If my body creates cancer, I am going to kill it. For me unwanted pregnancy is similar to cancer. I won’t let you get in my way. Not the church, nor religious fanatics nor the State :abortion is my right to have, without apologies and without compromise.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            I wonder if your mother ever though of you as “my little cancer.”

            How nice.

          • Arekushieru

            If P. McCoy’s mother CHOSE to have him/her, that is irrelevant. Of course, you are too ignorant to know that.

          • P. McCoy

            Chris wrote to me, so I will answer him simply. My mother had gynecological difficulties and expected to be barren, to wit:from her own words I was an unexpected but wanted pregnancy. Emphasis on Wanted. I regret answering you in this fashion because here your responses are being deleted. Since the vast majority of them have been and you’re cutting into my M/M erotica reading time, please don’t respond (waves good byes and hops back to steamy stories hubba hubba).

        • J.D.

          Because of course birth control never, ever has a failure rate, right? And nobody ever conceives from acts taken against their will by rapist scum…except you know, roughly 30,000 women a year. If the best you can muster is fictional dialogue, then you haven’t got squat for an argument.
          But if you truly want to demand people’s bodies be used against their will to support others, then first promptly present yourself for live organ donation. I’m sure you don’t need all your blood and bone marrow, or all your skin, or both your kidneys, or all the lobes of your liver. Lots of already born people out there dying waiting for what you’ll no doubt be happy to give. Lead by example and prove what’s good for the goose is good enough for the gander. I’m sure it won’t hurt you…much.

        • Shan

          ” I’m going to keep practicing unprotected sex because that will never, ever, result in a fetus inside my uterus”

          It especially won’t if you have an abortion while it’s still just an embryo. Which, as you may or may not know, is when the majority of abortions are performed, i.e., at 8wks or less. More would be performed at that stage if the state legislatures would stop being such pearl-clutchers and back off the restrictions on medication abortion.

          • fiona64

            Given that he’s a teenaged boy, the danger of a fetus ever being in his uterus is zero …

        • JamieHaman

          If you are a minor in the state of Texas, that’s exactly what you are going to do! Why??? Because Texas, in it’s infinite idiocy has decided minors CANNOT legally access BIRTH CONTROL without a parent or legal guardian’s consent. State Funds CANNOT be used for contraceptive purposes for MINORS.
          So before you say anything else about women who don’t use birth control, you should look up a few FACTS.
          Texas isn’t the only state that does this, so do some 30 (got that??? over HALF) of states do the same f’ing stupid thing.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            There is no age restriction on condoms.

          • JamieHaman

            Right, and condoms are soooooo effective! Let there be ONE hole in a condom, let it be old, it is no good at all. May as well ride bare back! You have nothing to say about 30 states denying effective birth control to minors? Nothing? You can do better than that surely?

          • ChrisFunguy79

            “May as well ride bare back!”

            Ok. You are dumb.

          • JamieHaman

            OK, you are dumber. Riding bare back means to use no condom.

          • Arekushieru

            And even condoms can be hard to access, ESPECIALLY if you’re a minor in a state like freaking TEXAS, ass.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            Yeah, real hard.

            Walk into store. Buy condoms.

            So difficult.

          • lady_black

            I believe that is probably unconstitutional because it violates Eisenstadt v. Baird. What a shame someone hasn’t challenged it.

          • JamieHaman

            Not a lawyer, but isn’t that when the law was changed for unmarried people to be able to get contraceptives? Not minors. Just single people?

          • lady_black

            Most minors are single people.

          • JamieHaman

            Most are, I did look it up, and the suit began over an ummarried 19 year old getting contraceptives, from a lecturer, who wasn’t a Dr. or pharmacist, in violation of Mass. Chasity Laws. Horrific stuff. thanks for sharing it, because I didn’t really know about it.

          • lady_black

            Let me clarify that. It’s also a violation of Title X to deny contraception to minors. It’s contrary to public policy. Now I’m not saying some state won’t try it… but it won’t hold up in court. The public good isn’t served by teen pregnancy. No state is well-served by teen pregnancy. Therefore, laws requiring parental notification serve no legitimate state interest. This is why the FDA has changed the rules on emergency contraception. I expect more to happen in that area. For those parents who want to pitch a fit, they need to be reminded that their teens will not generally ask permission to have sex. The smart parents know that, and would rather their children’s lives not be ruined. The not-so-smart ones probably need the state to put the breaks on them.

          • JamieHaman

            It may very well be a violation, and may need a lawsuit to stop it too. Here is where I got my information: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/163508.php ere is the other one: http://go.nationalpartnership.org/site/News2?abbr=daily2_&page=NewsArticle&id=20715 What I do know, (lol, not a lawyer) is that my daughter and I had to go through what C.H. went through with her/his daughter. It’s stupid, and a waste of time in a state with a high teen pregnancy rate. Kids don’t ask for permission to have sex, why they should have permission to get contraceptives is beyond me.

          • C.H.

            Not quite true. Minors can access contraceptives in Texas but if they don’t want their parents to know they can’t use their insurance and NOW Texas has effectively defunded women’s clinics there is no access but they don’t need parental consent. The ONLY thing Texas minors cannot access without consent is abortion. State law says they are entitled contraception, STI tests and treatment, prenatal care and adoption services without parental consent. The problem is access unless your parents are involved.

            And even OTC products can be difficult for teens to get because some store clerks mislead them or won’t sell to them. When I lived in Texas I had to go back to the drugstore with my daughter to pick up her prescription because the clerk didn’t want to give it to her. Another time they wouldn’t sell her condoms. So we’d go back in and I’d tell her to either go back to the counter or get her item and then stand back and DARE the clerk to pull some BS. But what is a minor who doesn’t have that kind of parent supposed to do?

          • JamieHaman

            Here’s where I got my info, http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/163508.php and some more from here, http://www.contracept.org/minorsaccess.php and the Guttmacher Institute as well. These places all say, must have parental consent.
            If you had to do all that, well, effectively, what that is, is parental consent. It’s ridiculous.
            When my daughter was old enough to want regular birth control, I had to do just what you did.

        • DebofAmber

          Did you fail at learning percentages or were you unfortunate enough to never have any Sex. ed. classes? There is always a percentage chance of having contraception fail. ALWAYS.

          This is why there will always be abortions. The only question is, will the people trying to force their beliefs on all women cause the abortions to be unsafe or will women keep their legal and constitutional right to bodily autonomy and have safe abortions.

          • purrtriarchy

            Which is why anti’s also rail against contraception, for the most part. Because they know that contraceptive use is definitely NOT consent to pregnancy, and that as long as contraception exists, abortion will be backup. They basically want to force everyone into strictly pro-creative roles.

          • lady_black

            As long as pregnancy isn’t a perfect process there will always be abortions. Even if 100% effective contraception becomes available.

  • anja

    Kudos to Gov. Hassan if she signs the bill. Twenty-five feet really isn’t enough to prevent the harassment of innocent people but it’s a start.

    • P. McCoy

      Arresting them as Domestic Terrorists would even be better.

      • anja

        It would and they should do that in many cases. It’s not just the clinics, doctors, and patients they are harassing. Their actions have negative consequences on the surrounding community. People avoid near-by business because they don’t want to be harassed on the way there or have to listen to their loud singing, chanting, and yelling.

  • Mindy McIndy

    This is a wee bit off topic, but I am helping my wife with her med ethics class over the summer and it is pissing me off. In our area, the best school to get your BSN at is a Catholic college, so that is where she’s going. She’s taking Med Ethics from a Catholic perspective, and in the chapter on abortion, it states that there really is no such thing as choice in abortion, because any woman who gets an abortion gets it due to some sort of duress. Societal pressure, financial issues, a boyfriend/partner pressuring her, etc. How about women who get pregnant and simply don’t want to be. Where’s the duress and lack of choice in that?

    • cjvg

      Catholic medical ethics is a contradiction in terms

      • Mindy McIndy

        No kidding. I’ve read through the entire book over the weekend while out on our paddle boat, and it was an exercise in masochism.

        • Arekushieru

          Forced masochism of others, that is…. Ugh. I have no problems with BDSM, and I, myself, will never engage in it. But these people promote the very same problems that they associate with this lifestyle, then wonder why they are being accused of hypocrisy? Ugh, these people are sick.

        • P. McCoy

          Christ carried his cross for a few hours but the Catholic Church expects mere mortals to carry theirs for nearly an entire lifetime eg NFP, death or disease rather than a life saving abortion, golly where is Heil Mary when you need her.

          • BJ Survivor

            Yes, where is Heil Mary? I hope she is okay…

          • Shan

            I was just wondering that yesterday. It’s been a couple of months since she posted.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            How can we find out if she is okay? Anyway?

          • BJ Survivor

            I think some posters have her personal email address, but I don’t. I really miss her and am a little worried about her.

          • cjvg

            Me too, if anyone does have her email send her my best

          • expect_resistance

            Good idea.

          • expect_resistance

            Did she post on you blog? If so can you send her a message via disqus?

          • expect_resistance

            I was thinking the same thing too.

          • lady_black

            I was wondering and thinking of her myself just the other day. I hope she’s fine and just busy, but she’s been MIA for a while now.

    • Arekushieru

      Don’t worry about going off-topic, Mindy. because I’m going to carry it one step further. Right now, my country, Canada, is trying to come up with new legislation for sex-workers and euthanasia/assisted suicide. In BOTH cases the argument against legalization consists of legitimization of coercion and force for the duration of that state, and it doesn’t only come from those opposed to sex-workers rights or the right to die with dignity. MY argument for legalization uses that rationale against them. Specifically, that maintaining the illegal status of either legitimizes a person’s forced ENTRY into that state. It’s a similar argument you’re making around the issue of abortion.

      If you will, let me delve into that further! >_<

      There is a link on the side of the website just below the list of current Popular headlines on Reality Check, headlined RH Wire. One of them has to do with (a city near, and in which a cousin and his wife reside) my own city and the HPV vaccine. The arguments against using the vaccine in the Catholic School Board located in that district were focused on how it would permit promiscuity (however, I noticed when I was reviewing the timeline of acceptance of the vaccine across Canada, that Catholic School boards accepted it when it was being used to eradicate genital warts in boys, long before it was accepted for vaccination of girls) but doesn't that mean that they consider promiscuity something to be punished by a religious hierarchy while believing that preventing promiscuity should be left up to the parents? It's a similar, hypocritical dichotomy, at least.

      Finally, there is a link that refers to Chelsea Manning under the same RH Wire heading. I remember that a poster on a Facebook group I co-admin said they believed transgender people should have rights but disagreed that they should be able to receive hormone treatments on the public 'dime' while in prison. Going back to that discussion centering around those who supported sex-workers' rights even buying into the argument against legalization of sex-work, doesn't this raise a similar line of thinking when you consider that opposition to legalization of sex-work due to force and coercion automatically legitimizes sex-workers that are serving clientele by their own design? After all, both the above poster and the people to whom I referred just prior, seem to be saying that things are not okay in some circumstances but are okay in a few others, no? To me, that's hypocrisy and requires ever-changing justification of their OWN positions.

    • lady_black

      I agree with you 100%, and I would point out that all women who get abortions do it because of some sort of “pressure.” It might be her health, finances, family situation, employment situation, or that she is simply not ready to be a mother/doesn’t want to be pregnant. And in all cases, she IS making a choice. Saying that abortion might be the best of a list of undesired options in no way diminishes the fact that a choice is being made.

  • Suba gunawardana

    Hopefully it will be law soon. I guess then they’ll start screeching over the 25 feet distance.

  • Suba gunawardana

    In response to the comment in moderation “The fetus should have a 25-ft buffer zone against anyone wishing to do it harm.”

    That’s partly why this law is here. Who wishes harm to fetuses? Those who try to force unwanted fetuses into birth against the mother’s will, thereby abandoning future children in a hostile environment.

    • Shan

      “”The fetus should have a 25-ft buffer zone against anyone wishing to do it harm.””

      LOL! So every pregnant woman has to have a 25ft buffer zone until she gives birth, just in case. Because you never know who might intend that fetus some harm.

    • ChrisFunguy79

      “Who wishes harm to fetuses?”

      People who abort them.

      • Arekushieru

        Nope. Abortion isn’t harm. And the intention (or WISH) of abortion is to terminate a pregnancy. Pregnancy is not equivalent to fetus. Someone needs to go back and redo their medical textbooks, I see.

        • ChrisFunguy79

          Clean up on aisle 9. Carla please clean up the mess on aisle 9.

          • Arekushieru

            Seriously, are you a stalker? Because only someone who is that invested in finding out where I work so they can make fun of it, could ever be a stalker. And, considering that you ARE a creep, I’d consider that a pretty good guess, too.

          • ChrisFunguy79

            You reply to every single one of my comments and you think that I am the stalker?

            OK, sir, you are a creep.

          • Arekushieru

            Says the person who replies to most of the comments *I* make just as I reply to most of the comments YOU make. And you are STILL proving what a bigot and creep and misogynist you are.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Your replies are intelligent, which is more than I can say for his.

          • Arekushieru

            Especially considering that I’m obviously not the one going into someone else’ comment history and linked profiles to find more information about a certain someone. Ugh…

          • Jennifer Starr

            He comes here for no other purpose than to troll, derail and personally attack other posters. Hopefully he’ll be banned soon.

          • Shan

            I’m assuming that since ALL his comments are gone now, the X-teenth iteration got banned finally?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Actually all of his comments are not gone yet, but I’m still hoping that he is banned. This needs to end.

          • Shan

            Agreed. And I wonder why so many of Rita’s were deleted on the “Four Ways” discussion board? I can’t imagine why they would be flagged enough to get them removed. Does downvoting do that, too? I don’t know how it works.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, downvoting doesn’t flag as far as I know. I didn’t agree with Rita but I certainly didn’t flag her–she was at least bringing honest debate, which is more than Chris was doing.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Rita is not deliberately insulting and she does not make rude uncaring personal attacks. I heartily disagree with her. I would never flag her or ban her. I even like that Tony character. Never flagged him either and he was a pissant.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Neither would I.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I think our criteria for banning are perfectly reasonable. I tend to like trolls. They are fun and the engender good conversation.

          • purrtriarchy

            She’s just delusional. In the extreme.

          • lady_black

            Nope, I never flagged Rita either. As much as I believe she’s full of shit, at least she’s nice about it.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Personally I disagree with deleting comments or banning anyone, however stupid & disagreeable they may be. I think the stupidity should be on display for all to see, so any new people reading the threads can judge for themselves. Also now that many comments are gone, it’s hard to understand what people were replying to….

            Another thing is, the trolls do provide some entertainment :)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            That is generally my position. But this time I really lost my temper.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Some trolls do, I agree. Chris however, is not only repetitive and boring, but he launches mean-spirited personal attacks on other posters which shouldn’t be tolerated.

          • Shan

            “he launches mean-spirited personal attacks on other posters which shouldn’t be tolerated”

            That’s my main problem. Getting rid of comments/commenters like that early on would be the best rather than allowing them to derail everything and inflame tempers (i.e., do what they came to do).

          • fiona64

            I’ve had some correspondence with the RHRC editorial team; they have had some staff changes, and some things slipped through the cracks … but it’s not likely to happen again. ::ahem::

          • Suba gunawardana

            Talking of repetitive & boring, on Care2 there was a certain homophobic bigot who would repeatedly quote from outdated homophobic literature ad nauseum; made over 2000 posts on one thread trying to drown everyone out; yet would never directly answer a question. They certainly come in a wide range…

          • purrtriarchy

            Chris aka five by five, admitted over on plum dumplings blog that he acts like an ass on purpose to upset people.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So he shouldn’t be surprised or upset when he gets banned and his posts or deleted, and yet he acts like a pissy child and starts screaming ‘unfair!’. Ridiculous.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            five_by_five • 2 months ago LOW REP
            Looks like I got under your skin. Good. Mission accomplished.Now I’m off to annoy some more pro-abort baby killers. Toodaloo.BTW, who did I happen to mischaracterize?

            There is more about annoying people but this is the best.

          • Suba gunawardana

            LOL that disproves his purported “concern” for fetuses right there, considering intentional annoying & harassment can never persuade people to not have an abortion or change their mind.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            LOL. I do not think we can accuse him of thinking things through.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Really abusive to Lady Black. She is a really good person.

          • lady_black

            Thank you. And I love you too, Plum.

          • purrtriarchy

            Yeah Chris is just an idiot.

          • lady_black

            I like batting trolls around with my morning coffee as much as anyone else. However, when one says to me if my son and I had died from childbirth complications, I could just “chalk it up as another abortion” that’s a bridge too far. It’s not entertaining, and adds nothing of value, even humor, to the conversation. Yes, Chris ‘went there.’

          • Suba gunawardana

            Yes personal attacks can go too far. Of course they resort to that only because they cannot come up with a rebuttal, even a lame one.

          • P. McCoy

            Please take this creep seriously remember this is the season of the misogynous angry White heterosexual male and their malevolent war against Women.

  • fiona64

    He’s a teenaged male troll … who has been banned at least three times already that I’m aware of. Just some food for thought.