If Money Talks, Anti-Choicers Are Shouting: Crowdsourcing the Gosnell Film


Cross-posted with permission from Political Research Associates.

“So far, the biggest ‘crowd funded’ film of all-time is the Veronica Mars movie, a teen detective story that asked for $2.1m and raised $5.7m, we think the Gosnell movie is more important, we think you do too.” So read the Indiegogo fundraising pitch for a project to create a scripted drama “about America’s biggest serial killer, abortionist Kermit Gosnell and the media cover-up.”

While it didn’t break the Veronica Mars record, the campaign did surpass its stated goal before ending Tuesday at $2,241,043. (I’ll confess that one dollar of that total figure is from me—I donated so I wouldn’t miss any updates sent to supporters.) Anti-abortion rights groups such as Personhood USA and Lila Rose’s Live Action helped promote the fundraising campaign while regularly misusing Gosnell’s crimes as an excuse for their agenda to end legal abortion. They aren’t the only ones: This week, the Heritage Foundation and American United for Life (AUL) hosted a discussion (including a speaker from the Charlotte Lozier Institute) for the one-year anniversary of Gosnell’s conviction and promoted a Senate bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks.

Reproductive justice and pro-choice organizations, like the Center for Reproductive Rights (CRR), have also condemned the doctor, calling for “No more Gosnells.” Yet their approach is to protect—or, in some cases, create—women’s access to safe, legal reproductive care, so that desperation and a lack of options do not force them into the hands of a criminal like Gosnell. These efforts, though, continue to face tough opposition from conservatives. In an action alert sent yesterday, for example, CRR warned that “Senator Lindsey Graham is using the horrific case of rogue abortion provider and convicted murderer Kermit Gosnell to pit a proposed national ban on abortion against the Women’s Health Protection Act.”

The filmmakers for the project, Ann McElhinney and Phelim McAleer (a married couple), are already right-wing darlings for their anti-environmentalist films, which offer conservative rebuttals to documentaries such as Gasland and Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. They also work with a third collaborator, Magdalena Segieda. McElhinney advertises herself as “voted the most popular speaker after Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter at CPAC.” Their films have been promoted by Focus on the Family, the American Family Association, Tea Party groups, the Heritage Foundation, the Independent Women’s Forum, and the State Policy Network, and they have been funded by Donors Trust/Donors Capital, which funnels money anonymously from right-wing backers.

While anti-abortion themes are not their usual forte, it is unsurprising given the anti-choice “family values” groups supporting the filmmakers.

Gosnell’s ability to prey on vulnerable women by providing cheap, unsafe, and illegal services stemmed in no small part from the continuing lack of access to reproductive care faced by many low-income women, especially women of color, who comprised the majority of his patients. As Carol Joffe writes in Dispatches From the Abortion Wars, clinics like Gosnell’s flourish amid a “a ‘perfect storm’ caused by the marginalization of abortion care from mainstream medicine, the lack of universal health care in the United States, and the particular difficulties facing undocumented immigrants in obtaining health care.” Many liberal and progressive media outlets would agree—and have pointed out—that the mainstream media failed to cover the Gosnell trial adequately: It failed to pay attention to the root systemic causes of race, class, and gender injustice that allowed him to prosper.

Unfortunately, we cannot expect Kermit Gosnell: America’s Biggest Serial Killer, to pay attention to such nuance or structural issues, given the conservative filmmakers’ track record and its support from right-wing groups bent on banning abortion from the moment of conception. In fact, anti-abortion films have a long history of using emotional footage to motivate anti-choice political action: films such as Francis Schaffer’s 1974 Whatever Happened to the Human Race? and 1984’s The Silent Scream helped mobilize the U.S. Christian Right movement. More recently, Citizens United has claimed that its 2011 film, The Gift of Life, helped persuade Republican presidential candidates to support making abortion illegal in all cases.

I’ll close by noting a contrast: After Tiller, a recent documentary on doctors who provide later abortions created in the wake of the murder of Dr. George Tiller, raised $11,000 from 176 backers on Kickstarter to produce the film. The Kermit Gosnell film, meanwhile, raised more than $2 million from 26,574 backers to produce a lurid movie dramatizing the Gosnell trial in what will most likely be anti-abortion propaganda. If money talks, the anti-abortion side is shouting.

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  • fiona64

    It just goes to show that PT Barnum was right about how frequently suckers are born …

    • Shan

      And now they have their very own feature length fetus-porn.

      • ChrisFFs

        I guess that “porn” wouldn’t exist if all those awful women didn’t go to Gosnell to murder their babies. Hmm

        • fiona64

          Well, 5×5, er “Chris,” as you know … it’s environments like what *you* want to see that allow people like Gosnell to exist. Sorry, but he belongs solely to you and yours.

          And if you think desperate women are “awful,” that says far more about what kind of a person *you* are than anything about those women.

          • ChrisFFs

            Sorry Fiona. Gosnell’s clinic was in Philadelphia where there are multiple other options for safe abortion.

            Maybe you didn’t know that. You do now.

          • Dez

            Really? Poor women of color don’t have access to abortions when force birthers like you shut down most of the clinics that they could go to. But if they were white and rich, Gosnell would not exist. Like you people even care women of color are being hurt. You just want to use us as pawns.

          • disqus_GsNuSnEl8Q

            Can we stop talking about pro-lifers/anti-choicers “forcing” women to give birth? It’s annoying that women choose to have sex, experience a consequence of sex (pregnancy), and are then portrayed as hapless victims whose access to abortion is as vital to their health as breathing or having clean water. Women are not enslaved by the pro-life movement. They are enslaved by the lie that they can have sex whenever they want with whomever they want without suffering negative consequences.

          • purrtriarchy

            The pro life movement wants to force women to remain pregnant against their will by outlawing abortion. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, and having sex while in possession of a uterus is not a crime. Women have a right to control their fertility and abortion, like contraception, is just one tool that helps them to attain that goal.

            Your misogyny is noted.

          • Dez

            I’m sorry that you think women making choices on their reproduction is not important to you. Unfortunately for you women are people too that are perfectly capable of choosing to terminate a pregnancy. If you actually valued women’s lives as much as a fetuses you would want them to have access to safe clinics no matter their economic standing. Also it’s pathetic and sad you think children are punishments. Pro choicers value children so much we believe they should be wanted and not a punishment for having sex. So yes they are force birthers who are forcing their personal opinion on women’s lives, especially poor women of color who lose their lives thanks to them.

          • Suba gunawardana

            And what’s wrong with having sex whenever you want? (We have technology to counter all kinds of “negative consequences” brought by nature.)

          • Arekushieru

            Oh, then you mean men are enslaved by the Pro-Choice movement into thinking that they can have sex whenever they want with whomever they want without suffering negative consequences? Oh… wait… even the Pro-’Life’ movement agrees with THAT. Oops. So, yes, gender-based discrimination and slavery advocating. As Purr said, below, your misogyny is duly noted. AW.

          • Michelle

            That is not the reality. Options for the poor are few and far between.

          • ChrisFFs

            I know an option that is easy…and free.

            Guess what it is.

          • Michelle

            Birth is free? That is a joke. Are hospitals not charging anymore?
            Or do you expect poor women to squat and give birth just anywhere?

            And as for easy – that is subjective. Even women who wanted to give birth and raise children, would bash you over that idiotic statement.

          • ChrisFFs

            Abstinence. Oh. That,.

          • Michelle

            Which proves once again that you think only the rich should have sex. You do realize that married women have abortions? Of course you don’t because you don’t accept reality.

          • Dez

            You do know that it is a failure and that when it is taught in school, abortion and pregnancy rates go up.

          • ChrisFFs

            Abstinence education and actual abstinence and not the same thing. FYI.

            Abstinence has a pregnancy rate of 0%. Well, unless you include Jesus then it’s like 0.000000000001%. But I don’t believe in immaculate conception. Do you?

          • Michelle

            The number of people who stick to abstinence pledges is very low.If people are not sticking to it, it does not work.

          • ChrisFFs

            “If people are not sticking to it, it does not work”

            No shit genius.

            Nobody is asking a grown adult to stick to an abstinence pledge. They either do it, or they don’t. And if they don’t they should be ready to deal with the consequences of having sex….like a responsible adult.

          • Michelle

            Abortion is dealing with it. It is none of your business.

          • ChrisFFs

            Yeah, abortion is dealing with it by extinguishing a human existence in an financially expensive manner. When, it could have been dealt with cheaply prior to that point. But, hey, if you rather choose abortion over using contraception or abstinence, be my guest.

            Just don’t complain that it costs too much and you have to take time off from work to go to the abortion clinic. Boo hoo.

          • Michelle

            I don’t think you need to worry about anyone complaining to you. No one would want your input. And that is what this is really about. You don’t like women having access to reproductive healthcare. And that is why YOU complain about those who work to maintain or increase access.

          • ChrisFFs

            They can have all the “access” to it they want.

            That doesn’t mean that other people should pay for it. Pay for it yourself.

          • Shan

            Derailing again.

          • Arekushieru

            What about all those wars funded by peace-loving citizens because Pro-’Life’ Conservatives just LOVE to wage war? I guess they should be able to stop funding their wars, too, eh? AW.

          • Guest

            Overuse of ‘boo hoo’ and can’t spell Emily “Lett’s” name correctly. Kinda like ol’ myintx. Also excessive whining. Boo hoo, dearie. You tell some awfully saaaad stories. Why, I’ll be up ALL night just crying and crying. Hey, I know! Call somebody who gizzashit!

          • ChrisFFs

            Boo hoo, that sounds sad.

          • Guest

            Yup, sad as all those poor lil’ fetii who never see the light o’ day. Boo hoo. You’ll get over it though.

          • Arekushieru

            MOST women who have had abortions used some form of contraception. OOPS.

            Taking the time off and the expenses for pregnancy are MUCH higher than abortion. Just don’t complain that it costs too much and that you have to take time off from work to get pregnancy care. BOO FUCKING HOO.

          • fiona64

            Hey, dumbass? Guess what? Every single form of contraception, including surgical sterilization, has known failure rates. So, you’ve learned two new things today … which is probably 300 more than you learned yesterday.

          • CJ99

            Good since you just admitted you can shut the fuck up now dumbass. Now go sit in the corner not having sex so you don’t raise another generation subjected to your idiocy.

          • lady_black

            Hey we could also avoid all automobile accidents if nobody drove, and all plane crashes if nobody flew. And we could also prevent all deaths from food poisoning if nobody ate! He might be on to something here.

          • lady_black

            You don’t even know what immaculate conception means. It was not the conception of Jesus.

          • ChrisFFs

            Yeah, you’re right.

            I don’t know my fairy tales as well as you do.

          • Arekushieru

            The only one spouting fairy tales is YOU.

            Pro-Choicers know better than to do that, anyways. Pro-Lifers on the other hand, every second thing out of their mouths tends to be about Jesus or God.

            Pro-Choicers also simply attempt to correct their erroneous assumptions, just like Lady-Black did with you. Oops.

          • fiona64

            You clearly also don’t believe in realities like marital rape …

          • ChrisFFs

            Oh no….marital rape. Another red herring from fiona64. Yippie.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Why is this a red herring?

          • fiona64

            Because he’s an idiot.

          • fiona64

            http://www.rainn.org/public-policy/sexual-assault-issues/marital-rape/

            Learn something today, little boy. I promise, it won’t hurt.

          • CJ99

            its classic sour grapes on your part. You know nobody will date you hence you claim you want enforced celibacy on everyone.

          • fiona64

            Just because no one wants to sleep with a troglodyte like you, doesn’t mean that everyone else has to be celibate (since what you are obviously getting at is the “keep your legs closed” bee-ess). And guess what? Celibacy is not always an option *anyway.* Once you get out of mommy’s basement, you might learn something.

          • ChrisFFs

            “Celibacy is not always an option”

            Oh really? I once saw this movie with Jason Statham, He had to keep his adrenaline level above a certain amount or he’d die. He had sex one time to keep from dieing.

            Like that?

          • Shan

            Because life is just like the movies.

          • fiona64

            Thanks for proving once again what a dumbass you are.

          • CJ99

            Forced celibacy is a fave of the religious reich which is no secret. Just tell them Jesus had a wife & kids and we’ll see the cranial detonations ensue.

          • expect_resistance

            You sound like an over-privileged little brat that is in desperate need of learning some life lessons.

          • ChrisFFs

            Didn’t you just flag me for being abusive.

            Pot…well you know the rest.

            Are you a nurse?

          • lady_black

            Or a good spanking. But he’d probably enjoy that.

          • purrtriarchy

            Jeez that dude you were debating on TFA is obtuse.

          • lady_black

            I agree. He’s very thick.

          • Arekushieru

            John Flaherty? Yeah. I don’t even wanna read his response to my comments because they’ll probably make me PUKE.

          • CJ99

            He’s probably getting that right now in some BDSM club on daddy’s credit card.

          • Alex Hunter

            If it’s being too repulsive for sex, that won’t sell.

          • CJ99

            It’s called shutting your pie-hole. Cause like the day you thought of your first abusive comment right up until now you’re crap isn’t true. Tomorrow will be no different.

          • fiona64

            Sorry, “Chris,” but sometimes access is not possible to the most vulnerable/underprivileged populations.

            Maybe yo udidn’t know that. You do now.

          • ChrisFFs

            Why? Did you not give enough money to those women?

            Why do you hate women so much that you would not give them the money they need?

          • Arekushieru

            Why do people like you always insist on pushing the responsibility for resolving the problems YOU create off on others? I thought your platform was about ‘responsibility’ and ‘life’. So far, however, you have been ZERO for ZERO.

          • fiona64

            Honest to god, you are the most monumental dumbass I’ve ever seen on the internet … and that is saying something.

            Crawl back into your hole, troglodyte (have mommy look up the big word for you), and let the adults talk.

          • CJ99

            Considering the dumbassery I’ve seen over the years, and I come from the bbs days of the 80′s when 300 baud was common, I must agree, his hateful stupidity is truly boundless.

          • CJ99

            As long as shit flingers like you there will be more Gosnells waiting in the wings. Don’t like that? then shut the fuck up.

        • Dez

          Yeah those poor women of color are such horrible people for not being wealthy and white.

          • ChrisFFs

            You’re right. No poor people are white. And all people of color are poor. I forgot.

            What was I thinking?

          • Dez

            If you knew anything about the Gosnell cases or abortion history, it was women of color being victimized by back alley butchers like Gosnell and lacked access to safe clinics. Rich, white women have always had access by going out of the country or a private doctor. Of course “pro-lifers” like you ignore us only when it is useful to use us as pawns.

          • ChrisFFs

            Again, this was in Philadelphia. No going out of the country required. Multiple abortion providers available.

            And if these women couldn’t scrounge up the few hundred bucks for an abortion, maybe they should of thought about that before having sex. I know, I know. Life is hard. Wear a helmet.

            Hey, did you know that abstinence is free? Could those women afford that? Of course they could. You’re just an apologist for stupid people.

          • fiona64

            You’re just an apologist for stupid people.

            No, no one is being an apologist for you …

            You clearly do not understand much about relationship dynamics if you presume that abstinence is always an option.

          • Dez

            No there is not since “pro-lifers” are trying to shut down clinics that poor women use. Plus taking time off work, child care, transportation and money prevents many women from accessing the few clinics left over. These are not issues that wealthy women have. They have the access, transportation, and money to get an abortion whenever they want. You don’t see rich women running over the border to get abortion drugs/pills from mexico. Prenatal care, birth, and raising a child costs more than an abortion. Abstinence is not realistic. It ignores the basic urges of human beings and has a failure rate by the evidence of teen pregnancies whether that is taught. Abortion rates go down when comprehensive sexual education is taught. But of course to you rich women should be the only ones having sex, poor women should not be able to be in a loving relationship. I know it’s a lot of information for a simpleton that knows nothing about women and reproduction. You should probably go back to highschool and get your GED.

          • fiona64

            You should probably go back to highschool and get your GED.

            That would necessitate him leaving his mommy’s basement, where he feels like a big man, and dealing with the real world — and its evidence that he is no such thing.

          • ChrisFFs

            “I can’t control my sex drive or afford a $0.50 condom, so I’m going to get an expensive abortion.”
            – said all the poor people.

          • Shan

            Another derail.

          • Arekushieru

            Condoms come in packages, asshole. Those cost a lot more than fifty cents. And, yes, we can see how far out of your privileged ASS you’re talking, when you can’t even CONSIDER that the amount needed to buy condoms IS sometimes the fucking difference between starving or having fucking food on the table. Also, condoms are for MEN. So, now, you’re telling poor women that they have to buy the condoms AND force the men to wear them? Wow, you’re just so fucking ridiculous.

            Poor people must refrain from doing something rich, white people can enjoy, freely, just to satisfy your narrow-minded worldview and to be able to operate in a world that you and yours deliberately skew against those you consider inferior? Wow, you’re one of the sickest bigots I’ve seen, yet.

            Travel funds, jackass. Abortion funds are there to help with travel costs. When a clinic closes down, however, there IS NO OTHER WAY to access free contraception. OOOPS.

          • ChrisFFs

            Oh nooo…a few bucks for condoms….the absolute horror.

            If you cannot afford that perhaps you have better uses of your time than fornicating and risking an expensive abortion or even more expensive pregnancy.

            But no one taught you about responsibility, so I guess that’s not your fault, dude.

          • purrtriarchy

            Boring.

          • expect_resistance

            Oh shut up.

          • Suba gunawardana

            If you are that concerned about abortion why not start distributing free condoms to poor people?

          • CJ99

            Hey dumbass, stop upvoting yourself as “guest” nobody is fooled.

          • fiona64

            He got caught outright upvoting himself while still registered, so he now thinks he’s clever. He’s wrong.

          • Dez

            You do know condoms break and some people have allergies? So according to you only the rich can have sex and have abortions. Poor people should not have sex with their spouses. Nice classism.

          • Shan

            DERAIL!!!

          • Arekushieru

            You’re an apologist for rich white MEN, which is fucking worse. AW.

          • Alex Hunter

            Abstinence is for cowards and ugly people.

          • CJ99

            I would’ve said for the religious reich but they’re ugly cowards and deliberately so.

          • Arekushieru

            Alex, can we not appearance-shame people? I know I’m picky but, even though I’m asexual, it was hard growing up hearing that you were too ugly for people to have sex with you, anyways. You may be using ugly in the emotional context, but that isn’t typically what people like myself associate with the word, instinctively. Just a suggestion! Thanks! :)

          • Alex Hunter

            Will do.

          • Arekushieru

            THANK you!

          • CJ99

            Thats the double edge of ugly, theres the physical side so many of us think of as you said but I do think he referred to the other side being what I call inner ugliness which so often can affect a person to the point it starts showing on the outside.

          • cc

            Wow, I thought Gosnell was operating in a clinic that was routinely inspected and passed by authorities. Far cry from back alley, he had an approved front door.

          • lady_black

            You sound every bit as stupid as 5×5, err ChrisFFs. Gosnell was the ugly face of the back-alley abortion. He was running an illegal pill mill and he was killing people. That’s why he will die in prison. People aren’t tossed into prison for doing legal acts. Your comment is as hare-brained as claiming that because alcohol is legally available, no one anywhere could possibly be making moonshine or bathtub gin. Critical thought is not your forte.

          • Dez

            Do some research before commenting on something you obviously know nothing about.

          • Dez

            Here’s some information to clear up your ignorance.

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2011/01/31/kermit-gosnells-horror-show/

          • Shan

            You were thinking “I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT SO DERAIL!!!”

          • Arekushieru

            You SUCK at reading comprehension. And, yes, society DOES grant less advantages to a poor woman of colour than it does to poor white women. So, now you know better, FINALLY.

      • fiona64

        I know, right? Something more for their “Spank Bank o’ Creepy.”

  • lady_black

    I don’t think Gosnell was America’s biggest serial killer. That honor would go to Georgia Tann, of the Memphis Children’s Home Society. The most glaring discrepancy is that Tann got away with her crimes because she was “juiced.”

  • Dez

    Gosnell the movie: Showing that “pro-lifers” don’t give a damn about poor women of color and will use them as props to take away their reproductive rights and then turn around to call them welfare queens.

  • Michelle

    Whenever a “pro-lifer” starts going on about Gosnell, I point out that the pro-choice media has been thoroughly reporting on him from the beginning. But they can never grasp the concept.

    I also ask if they would advocate that people not have dental work done because of the dentist in Tulsa who used expired medications, dirty tools, and potentially exposed thousands of patients to HIV and Hepatitis.

    Unfortunately there are bad doctors, and they need to be stopped. Trying to make procedures inaccessible or illegal, just creates more bad doctors or people posing as doctors.

    • Mike M

      Gosnell was able to operate his murder factory because of the lack of oversight from PA authorities and this lack of oversight was in large part motivated by “pro-choice” groups’ outrage every time there is any abortion clinic regulation.

      • lady_black

        Pro-choice groups were the ones doing the complaining, and Gosnell was flouting existing regulations. We do not want criminals any more than YOU want criminals. I don’t think you would be able to find even one pro-choice person who would say that abortion clinics should not be inspected, or that complaint-based inspections aren’t a valid enforcement tool. I’m in the healthcare profession. The thought that if there were complaints of unsanitary conditions, illegal and unethical acts, and unlicensed personnel performing tasks they were not legally permitted to do, and nobody goes to check them out is absolutely horrifying to me. I can only conclude that the health of women is not important in Pennsylvania. And I live here, so I have the right to conclude that. Gosnell was finally busted because he was running a “pill mill.” And that speaks volumes. Who might be getting high is extremely important. Women, not so much.

        • Mike M

          I, too, live in Pennsylvania. I knew about Gosnell long before the story broke. When I briefly lived outside of PA, I lived half a block from another abortion center where women have died due to neglect and cover-ups, and that one was run by the region’s largest abortion provider. In the other state, when some people pushed for regulations requiring that the doctors performing abortions be OBs (they had a former psychiatrist who had been kicked out that field performing them), Planned Parenthood, NARAL et al. descended to kill the efforts. When, after discovering that the most recent death had been caused by the use of improper and unclean instruments in a room that wouldn’t meet cleanliness standards for anything, people pushed for basic cleanliness standards, once again PP and friends killed those efforts. And that was in a very abortion friendly city, in a solidly blue, abortion friendly state. In PA, they have also fought attempts to regulate abortion clinics.

          Just look at rhrc. What standards do they support? They don’t support requiring hospital admitting privileges. They don’t support requiring the doctor to be an OB. They don’t support requiring the cites where surgical abortions are performed to be held to the sanitation standards of most medical facilities.

          • lady_black

            BALONEY, Mike. Listen, I work in the medical field. The licensing standards are what they are, and generally speaking, a medical provider is allowed to perform any act that they are prepared by education and training to do. In other words, anyone with M.D. or D.O. behind their name is allowed to hang up a shingle calling themselves a plastic surgeon or obstetrician if they want to. That’s what we have professional associations for. They have higher standards for accreditation than state laws, generally requiring a prescribed period of residency training under a doctor certified in the field. Now, do I believe all doctors should be required to be members of a professional association to do abortions? No. Personally, I would feel more comfortable if the doctor was a specialist, but it isn’t necessary. Hospital admitting privileges are irrelevant because everyone has access to a hospital in an emergency. The ambulance isn’t going to make a stop by your doctor’s office to ask if he has admitting privileges on the way to the ER. And to sit there with a straight face and say this forum is against sanitary standards, well, is frankly pathetic and sad. Not to mention, a lie.

          • Arekushieru

            That’s funny, because your ilk likes to pretend that OBs and abortion providers are somehow two completely different professions.

      • Dez

        Gosnell was able to operate because local authorities and “pro-lifers” don’t not care about poor women of color. If they actually did, they would have jumped at the first complaint filed by pro-choicers when they discovered what was happening. “Pro-lifers” like you jumped on the bandwagon when you can use poor women of color again as pawns to take away our reproductive rights. We all know you would be doing anything unless it’s to your advantage. No concern poor women of color were being victimized because they lacked the access to safe clinics.

  • Shan

    I’m SO done with master-baiters. Who’s with me?

  • Suba gunawardana

    Who says anti-choicers hate Gosnell? They love him with a passion; Talk, think, write about him all day & dream about him at night. Gosnell is their new Jesus.

  • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

    “Gosnell’s ability to prey on vulnerable women by providing cheap,
    unsafe, and illegal services stemmed in no small part from the
    continuing lack of access to reproductive care faced by many low-income
    women, especially women of color, who comprised the majority of his
    patients.”

    Wow, talk about revisionism. There is/was a plethora of low-cost abortion & contraceptive choices. And Gosnell didn’t “prey” since many of his patients were actually referred to him by these other clinics including the sacrosanct Planned Parenthood.

    Gosnell and other “doctors” like him are allowed to operate precisely because the pro-abortion (which is not the majority of Americans who, while supporting a woman choice to abortion in first trimester, want strict controls, up to and including banning, abortion in 2nd & 3rd trimesters) crowd are more concerned with pushing the procedure at all stages of pregnancy than they are with the women & children involved. The Grand Jury report is quite explicit in that regard of how pro-abortion politics played a huge role in allowing Gosnell to openly operate his house of horrors.

    And, btw, Frack Nation wasn’t “anti-environmental”, it was a documentary that shows the outright lies & fabrications of the risible “Gasland.” You, know, doing the reporting that partisan American reporters refuse to do.

    • purrtriarchy

      Citations needed for all of the above, from unbiased sources. Thanks.

      • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick
        • purrtriarchy

          Th grand jury report does not support your lies, liar.

          • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

            Sad you can’t read.

          • purrtriarchy

            We are all familiar with it. You’re a liar.

          • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

            Oh, you’re a “we” huh? How nice, can you show me where you were voted spokeshole for the Gosnell Party

          • purrtriarchy

            We here at RHRC are familiar with liars such as yourself.

          • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

            Sweety, you can make yourself *feel* better all you want with screaming “liar”. Knock yourself out. But the facts of the case remain, and Gosnell was only able to get away with his murders because of politics. How sad you’re more concerned about that than you are about all the human individuals he murdered.

            And how ironic is your screed in a place labeled “reality”.

            heh.

          • Arekushieru

            We are not interested in ‘pushing’ the procedure, at all. Unlike yourselves, who insist on PUSHING pregnancy, childbirth and labour on every last woman. If you want to acquaint yourself with ‘reality’ please don’t hesitate to re-read the description that I gave above in order to identify and differentiate between the three positions as they ACTUALLY stand on the abortion issue. We are more concerned with the women and children involved than the anti-choicers ever will be, considering their ONLY concern is how to use a fetus to punish women for having consensual, non-procreative sex.

            You do realize that Gosnell operated in the state that held the highest number of abortion restrictions in the country, and, like Fiona said, below, that it is Pro-CHOICE organizations like Reality Check that have been reporting on Gosnell’s crimes while Pro-Life politicians refused to do anything about it, right? Oops?

            Finally, you wanna guess which COUNTRY from which I hail? Then in which PROVINCE I reside? If your guesses were Canada and Alberta, respectively, then, ding, ding, DING, you get the Kewpie doll prize! Keystone XL Pipeline? Sound familiar? The province that was pushing it is… ALBERTA. However, the documentaries that were exposing lies were filmed by PRO-ENVIRONMENTAL groups. The partisan reporting came from the right-wing, Conservative, corporate welfare complex as it USUALLY does. Much the same as it would be with the case surrounding Frack Nation, I suspect. But, y’know, up is down and down is up, as is typically the case with you people. It certainly exposes how anti-rights based your group is, however. Not only do you oppose rights for women, black people and the poor, you obviously care nothing about the destruction of habitat for wildlife and the irreparable damage to ecosystems, AS WELL.

          • Arekushieru

            We are not interested in ‘pushing’ the procedure, at all. Unlike yourselves, who insist on PUSHING pregnancy, childbirth and labour on every last woman. If you want to acquaint yourself with ‘reality’ please don’t hesitate to re-read the description that I gave above in order to identify and differentiate between the three positions as they ACTUALLY stand on the abortion issue. We are more concerned with the women and children involved than the anti-choicers ever will be, considering their ONLY concern is how to use a fetus to punish women for having consensual, non-procreative sex.

            You do realize that Gosnell operated in the state that held the highest number of abortion restrictions in the country, and, like Fiona said, below, that it is Pro-CHOICE organizations like Reality Check that have been reporting on Gosnell’s crimes while Pro-Life politicians refused to do anything about it, right? Oops?

            Finally, you wanna guess which COUNTRY from which I hail? Then in which PROVINCE I reside? If your guesses were Canada and Alberta, respectively, then, ding, ding, DING, you get the Kewpie doll prize! Keystone XL Pipeline? Sound familiar? The province that was pushing it is… ALBERTA. However, the documentaries that were exposing lies were filmed by PRO-ENVIRONMENTAL groups. The partisan reporting came from the right-wing, Conservative, corporate welfare complex as it USUALLY does. Much the same as it would be with the case surrounding Frack Nation, I suspect. But, y’know, up is down and down is up, as is typically the case with you people. It certainly exposes how anti-rights based your group is, however. Not only do you oppose rights for women, black people and the poor, you obviously care nothing about the destruction of habitat for wildlife and the irreparable damage to ecosystems, AS WELL.

          • Arekushieru

            This post, and the one beneath it, is in reply to the OP, because apparently there are some difficulties with the commenting features on Reality Check. Besides that, however, I would like to add that I hope the post, below, will be posted in its entirety, soon, as some parts are still in moderation.

          • Arekushieru

            This post. however, is in reply to this specific one. Poor sweetie (can’t even spell THAT right, can you?) is confused. She’s the one who pulls the politics card, then accuses US of being more concerned about that than the actual murders Gosnell committed, when WE are the ones who have been clear on that from the outset? Projection much, ‘sweety’?

          • fiona64

            RHRC has been talking about Gosnell’s crimes for almost 5 years. We know what we’re talking about here.

            You, OTOH, just have a bunch of bullshit that someone over at LieActionNews told you … not one bit of truth in your post. Period.

          • CJ99

            You are one deluded sack of shit.

      • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

        And I see absolutely no sourcing for the “Gosnell because no services” canard.

    • Suba gunawardana

      Elective late-term abortion would hardly EVER be a practical necessity if it weren’t for all the stupid barriers being placed by the forced-birth crowd, such as long waiting periods; mandatory ultrasounds; & most importantly clinic shut-downs (all of which lead to DELAYS in getting an early abortion)

      • Mike M

        You realize that Gosnell was in Philadelphia, right?

        • Arekushieru

          So effing what? You do realize that Philadelphia at that time had the highest number of abortion restrictions per state, right?

    • lady_black

      You, and “the majority of Americans” have no idea what you’re talking about. Go away. I remember what it was like to be poor and uninsured. Back in the early eighties a pack of pills cost what I spent on a week’s groceries.

  • CJ99

    Their fundrasing is no guarantee that this movie will be finished. But in case it is, it won’t see the light of day. The key is distribution that this like every other religious propganda piece has never achieved. Earlier movies like “expelled; no intelligence required” and a later movie promoting young earth creationism ended the careers of Ben Stein & Kate Mulgrew respectively.

    • Arekushieru

      Yeah, Kate Mulgrew was Pro-Life. Once I learned that, I stopped having any interest in the Voyager franchise of Star Trek.

      • purrtriarchy

        She’s a dumbfuck. She once said in an interview that all throughout history women have had the exact same opportunities for success and self fulfillment as men.

        Ignorant b***h!

        • cjvg

          For most of history she would not even been allowed her chosen profession (actress) since even the female roles where played by young men or boys

          Shakespeare never saw a female actress perform in any of his plays
          Not until the late 1600 where women occasionally allowed to play females in Britain.
          In ancient Rome and in Greece it was also unacceptable for a woman to be an actress
          In Venice it took until the 17th century before a woman was allowed to play a female role (or any role at all)
          Etc. etc.

          Ignorance truly is bliss for some

      • Jennifer Starr

        I knew there was a reason I never liked Voyager.

        • CJ99

          I never liked it cause it was stuffy n boring much like its bureaucratic paper pushing authourtarian cast.

      • CJ99

        Her career ending zealot movie wasn’t even about ‘pro-life” either. It was a young earth creationist rant that the earth was created at 9am on a tuesday in 4004bc brought to you by the same people who believe stars are really diamonds suspsended 500 miles above the earths surface (nevermind many spacecraft, some manned & satelites have gone further than that without having passed any of them)

  • CJ99

    The idiot here is you sockpuppet. Being a liar for god doesn’t make you credible. Thats right, you wouldn’t knew the truth if god himself shoved it up your lazy butt.

  • Arekushieru

    You have no clue what eugenicism is. During the time in which Margaret Sanger lived, eugenics was very popular. Compared to many of her colleagues, Ms. Sanger held the least extreme views on eugenics. In fact, Ms. Sanger wasn’t a full eugenicist, either. She didn’t impose sterilization programs on those she considered infirm nor did she try to implement forced breeding camps for superior genes. And the birth control program she developed under the Planned Parenthood banner was meant to LIFT the infirm OUT of their infirmity, rather than limiting their right to reproduce. So, shut the fuck up before you open your mouth to speak about something you know NOTHING about, next time.

    Oops, too late. What is WITH you antis and your aversion to context, seriously? You DO realize that Ms. Sanger had very ill feelings surrounding her speaking engagement with the KKK, right? And that she was speaking to them because even female KKK members deserve the option to control their fertility? OOOPPS??? Actually, this ‘secret’ to which you refer is only well-known to the antis. Again, context is everything. And, the context of the quote to which you are most LIKELY referring, is Ms. Sanger’s oft misquoted desire to engage black community leaders in an effort to prevent hundreds of years of distrust between the black and white populations from engendering a backlash against universal acceptance of access to family planning WITHIN the black community. In other words, Ms. Sanger was speaking out AGAINST the idea that birth control was a new tool in the arsenal to eradicate the black population, as she knew, given the racial history of the US, it could be a very popularly held sentiment amongst black people. Seriously, learn2context before opening your mouths, antis!

    Not all Planned Parenthood’s provide on-site access to abortion. So, tell me, how does Planned Parenthood expect to ‘prey on the “undesirables”‘ in THOSE areas, then? I mean, if someone wanted to prey on undesirables wouldn’t you provide access to the same services throughout the organization? Planned Parenthoods are only situated where there is the most need. Poor women typically have less access to contraceptive and screening serices, exams, etc than other women do. ESPECIALLY when Pro-’Life’ politicians are generally the ones to limit funding to social assistance programs like TANF, WIC and SNAP. ESPECIALLY when the poorest women usually have to decide between putting food on the table and buying even the most inexpensive package of condoms. Considering that the majority of the poorest women tend to be black, it’s like you people want to force black women into positions where it’s IMPOSSIBLE for them to go anywhere other than the nearest Planned Parenthood so you can blame an organization that’s only serving a need YOU created, for racism. What about the ‘responsibility’ card you people like to play? Hypocrites.

    Alveda King? You ARE aware that most of the rest of the King family did not and does not endorse her views in any shape or form? That, in fact, Martin Luther King, himself, wrote letters of commendation for Ms. Sanger’s works and Planned Parenthood, right?

    Besides, Ms. Sanger, HERSELF, was anti-abortion, unlike your ilk which is strictly anti-CHOICE. In her time, abortion was VERY dangerous. And she developed the birth control pill to prevent the same tragedies befalling other women that befell her mother, who died from experiencing MULTIPLE PREGNANCIES. You knew that… right?

    If you are a white woman please do not whitesplain to a black woman how she should be experiencing racism, next time, mmkay, racist?

    Kthxbainow!

    • JamieHaman

      Great response! 1000 LIKES

    • disqus_GsNuSnEl8Q

      Margaret Sanger wrote about sterilizing genetically undesirable individuals, including African Americans and the mentally disabled. Yes, eugenics was a popular concept at the time and was made infamous by Adolph Hitler, because he took it to its logical and literal conclusion in the attempted extermination of an entire race of people. He simply implemented a lot of the suggestions Sanger had made in her writings regarding the launch of a eugenics program here in the United States.

      Simply because Margaret Sanger embraced a moral abomination like eugenics during a time when it was being embraced by others does not make her any less culpable for her support of a movement that culminated in the Holocaust. You are rationalizing evil.

      • purrtriarchy

        So you are saying that contraception is evil?

        • disqus_GsNuSnEl8Q

          No. I’m saying the eugenics movement was evil and that Margaret Sanger was a prominent player within the movement.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Even if Sanger believed in eugenics, how does that diminish the value of contraception and abortion as they are TODAY?

          • disqus_GsNuSnEl8Q

            I was responding to a SPECIFIC post regarding Sanger’s involvement in eugenics and was not addressing abortion or contraception. The conversation was about SANGER and EUGENICS. I’m sure there are other posts specifically about “the value of contraception and abortion” that you could troll if you are dead set on having an argument.

          • Arekushieru

            No, you weren’t. Because you couldn’t even be bothered to respond to it in its entirety Do try again.

          • Suba gunawardana

            Actually this topic in general is about abortion. Only a few forced-birthers try to make it about eugenics, which does not apply to the present time anyway.

          • purrtriarchy

            So was Henry Ford. I await your diatribe on car forums.

      • Arekushieru

        You did not read my comment, obviously. I said a LOT more than how Margaret Sanger simply grew up in a time where eugenics was popular. And, yes, that is JUST addressing the particular topic of eugenics, Tell me, why are you as obtuse as ‘me’ and Mr. Baker?

      • purrtriarchy

        The republican party was also pro sterilization back then. In fact, certain red states did sterilize people. This is just more proof that the GOP is a fascist party made up of Nazis, don’t you agree?

  • Jennifer Starr

    You like the group “Britain First”. That’s about as racist as it gets, Patti. You have no room to talk.

  • fiona64

    Patti, you’re risible (have your mommy look up the big word for you).

    You might want to look up Sanger’s actual writings (not the bullshit you were told was “true” on LieActionNews). You might just learn something.

    http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/newsletter/articles/bc_or_race_control.html

  • fiona64

    PS: Alvedia King is trading on her late uncle’s name to say a whole slew of *crap* that he never supported, including anti-gay rhetoric. The man who was the architect of King’s strategy was an out, gay black man named Bayard Rustin. Look him up, too.

  • Suba gunawardana

    -Even if your claims about Sanger were true, how does that diminish the value of abortions or any other service PP provides today? None of them are forced on anyone.
    -How does providing an ELECTIVE service constitute “preying on people”?

  • goatini

    Lying grifter Alveda King has no relationship whatsoever with the truth.

  • goatini

    Alveda King is a lying grifter, and the rest of the King family want no part of her and her amoral deceptions.

  • tigalily

    He killed 7 newborns and one woman. Ted Bundy killed 30 woman. Once more Pro-Birth is showing no consideration for women if Kermit Gosnell is the ‘largest serial killer’.

    • lady_black

      Georgia Tann killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of babies during her tenure as director of the Tennessee Children’s Home Society (her, ahem, “adoption agency”) with neglect and abuse, and was never punished for her crimes, because she was politically juiced. That beats Ted Bundy by a long shot.

  • Arekushieru

    Look, Ms. Thornhill. I don’t deny that Ms. Sanger was a eugenicist or a racist (which are NOT the same things, btw). But you have to be seriously ignorant to believe that a woman, who didn’t implement either sterilization or breeding programs and who made sincere attempts to enable people to LIFT themselves out of poverty by providing them access to contraception to control their fertility rather than limiting their right to reproduction,, was guilty of ‘socially engineering human beings’. The most she was *probably* guilty of on that front was directly associating poverty with ‘inferior’ genes from which people NEEDED to be lifted in order to effect social change (you do notice that there is a difference between socially engineering human beings and affecting social change, btw, right?) rather than believing that the miseries of poverty were a symptom of a cross-section of a whole host of societal ills.

    The meanest, unhappiest people are most likely the people that actually DO support the things that antis erroneously assume were a ‘goal’ of Ms. Sanger’s. That being the KKK and (other) people like Hitler. Both of them were just as anti-choice as your ilk and both of them believed that women were socially and genetically inferior just like YOUR movement does. So, by YOUR logic, it is CONSERVATIVES who are the meanest, unhappiest people around. Especially given that the majority of that lot, like yourself, spend most of their time pretzeling themselves with mental gymnastics in order to convince people that the other side is worse. When you have to resort to tactics like that, everyone KNOWS your side has already lost.

  • Dez

    Seriously? You pulled the old Sanger card? You must think black women are idiots that can’t make their own choice to have abortion and are brainwashed into it. Racists like you deserve no respect or anymore attention then this comment.

  • CJ99

    As a liar for god you should know your idiotic BS will never be believed. Btw by your own definition of meanest unhappiest people you have accused yourself of being liberal. But don’t worry, nobody believes that either.

  • Dez

    Are you really that stupid? It’s hard to believe you function everyday. Besides the point that at the time eugenics was mainstream, PP does not practice eugenics. Please show evidence of it. Plus the KKK was a christian organization like the “pro-life” movement is that is trying to take away reproductive rights from black women. So your concern about black women is complete crap. If you actually read something other propaganda pieces free from facts then you would not spout the drivel you wrote.

  • disqus_GsNuSnEl8Q

    Remember: anti-choicers outnumber pro-murder advocates in this country. It’s a common misconception that most Americans support abortion. So it’s not surprising the Gosnell film campaign would do so well. A lot of Americans are fed up with abortion.

    • purrtriarchy

      Citations needed

    • Dez

      Yea you force birthers are good at lying and spreading propaganda. Look at the CPCs.

    • Suba gunawardana

      OK would you like to start fresh? Why do you consider abortion wrong?

    • Arekushieru

      No one is pro-murder, here. Oh, wait, I forgot, anti-choicers want to actually kill women with malicious aforethought by denying them their constitutional and same rights as everyone else. Like the death penalty, it only requires making that illegal for it to be considered murder. Hmm.

    • CJ99

      Nobody is pro murder you however are pro-liar, pro fascist theocrat, pro-idiocracy. Thats why you and your fundamentalist rants are relagated to the dungheap of history.

  • Arekushieru

    Also, my apologies for my excessive posting at the very bottom of this comments section. VERY sorry. EEK!