Planned Parenthood Announces Plan to Build New Surgery Center in Texas


Planned Parenthood South Texas has announced plans to build a new $5 million ambulatory surgical center in San Antonio, in anticipation of the enactment of the final provision of Texas’ new omnibus anti-abortion law that mandates all abortion procedures—both surgical and medication abortions—be performed or administered in these hospital-like facilities.

Currently, Texas has six licensed abortion-providing ambulatory surgical centers and 19 abortion clinics. After September 1, if a new lawsuit does not succeed in persuading a federal court to block the enforcement of the new law, it will become illegal for doctors to provide abortion care in a clinical setting.

But the president of Planned Parenthood South Texas (PPST) said abortion will be just one part of the spectrum of care provided at the new facility.

“The new facility will be about so much more than abortion—this health center will still primarily be a place where life-changing, life-saving preventive health care is done,” said PPST president Jeffrey Hons. At the surgical center, both male and female patients will be able to access treatment and diagnosis of sexually transmitted infections, cancer screenings, annual exams, contraception, and pregnancy testing in addition to other reproductive health services and counseling.

The number of legal abortion providers in Texas declined steadily over the past four years, as conservative lawmakers have passed increasingly stringent restrictions on abortion care in the state, from requiring mandatory ultrasounds to requiring that abortion-providing doctors have hospital admitting privileges. According to the Guttmacher Institute, Texas had 62 abortion providers in 2011; as of March 2014, it had just 24.

Even after the construction of the new Planned Parenthood facility, there will be no ambulatory surgical centers located west or south of San Antonio, or east of Houston, at which Texans can access legal abortion care. Legal abortions will be available only in the state’s larger cities—Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio—forcing Texans in other parts of the state either to drive hundreds of miles round trip for procedures, to carry their pregnancies to term, or to attempt to end their pregnancies on their own.

Abortion providers say that the high cost of constructing new ambulatory surgical centers (ASCs), or retrofitting existing clinics, prevents most facilities from being able to come into compliance with the new law.

“By the estimates I have been given, an ASC costs upwards of $450 to $500 per square foot to build. That is at least $2 million to $3 million for a 5,000-square-foot facility,” said Amy Hagstrom Miller, the CEO of Whole Woman’s Health, an abortion provider and plaintiff in the latest lawsuit challenging Texas’ ASC regulations, in a media conference call on Wednesday.

While conservative lawmakers have said that the ASC requirements are meant to increase patient safety, Texas’ Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst tweeted last year that the intent of the law was to shutter as many facilities as possible.

Hagstrom Miller said that she is unwilling to “use precious funds needed for direct service care to women in unnecessary construction projects,” in light of the overall safety of abortion. And she said she has no reason to believe that yet more onerous restrictions on legal abortion are coming, despite the fact that abortion providers in Texas “undertake heroic acts to comply and comply and comply” with new regulations.

“The consequences of these onerous requirements are an injustice,” said Hagstrom Miller, “not only to our clinics and the women we serve, but to the community.”

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  • Jibber Jabber Joe

    See ladies. When push comes to shove, they’ll take some of that money they raise and use it to help you kill your babies in a safe manner instead of giving it all to politicians.

    • Lieutenant Nun

      Embryos are not babies.

      • Jibber Jabber Joe

        Yes they are.

        • Lieutenant Nun

          Babies are not mindless organisms. Babies are autonomous individuals.

          • P. McCoy

            They are not autonomous when they have a parasitic relationship within my body, which like a guy who might need my liver and my liver only to live. They don’t have a right to it. Personhood doesn’t matter, my bodily autonomy does because I exist as a sentient being.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Well duh.

          • JamieHaman

            Some unkown guy who needs my liver and my liver only is going to be sol.

        • Mindy McIndy

          A fetus can become a baby, just like a caterpillar can become a butterfly or a tadpole can become a frog. An fetus and an embryo is a potential baby, not a baby in and of itself.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Semantics, but many dictionaries define babies as including human beings in the fetus or embryo stage. One thing for certain. It is human life, so what you call it at what point on its continuum from conception to death is not relevant.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Babies are born. No one here is talking about killing babies.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            So you think that they might just be the product of swallowing a watermelon seed until they actually emerge and you can see it’s adorable little cheeks? Another liberal scientist.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Like I said, depends on where you get the definition. Doesn’t matter what you call it though. It’s a unique human being with a unique DNA and if you kill it, you took an innocent human life. It’s that simple.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Unique DNA does not a person make. And the right to life does not include the right to inhabit and violate another persons body.

          • goatini

            Fetuses are not persons, not citizens, and have no rights.

            Rights accrue to citizens at birth.

          • lady_black

            You know what? That’s just TOO BAD. If the building was burning down, I would save the two year old child and leave the frozen embryos to rot. So would you. And you know it.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Antis are trying to get around the embryos vs. Infant question by saying that though they may not feel as emotional about embryos as they feel about the deaths of born children, that ‘intellectually’ they know that embryos are of equal worth. And they can’t spend all of their time crying about every death in the world now can they?

            Funny, of course, how empathy for the woman never enters the picture. Neither does the intellectual knowledge that unwanted pregnancy can be very damaging in a variety of ways.

          • Arekushieru

            So, it’s okay if I call you a corpse? Whether or not it is human life is irrelevant. Dictionaries often refer to ARCHAIC meanings when using the term human beings in the case of fetus or embryo. In all other cases, human being is used synonymously with human, NOT person. Oops.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Corpses are dead humans. Babies are live ones in the early stages of development. That you need this kind of pretext indicates that you’re working too hard to defend the indefensible.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            A corpse can have a beating heart but no brain function. A prenate has a beating heart but no brain functions.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            LOL. a corpse with a beating heart. Can’t make this stuff up.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            They are called beating heart cadavers you stupid shit, and all they require is a functional brainstem.

          • JamieHaman

            Yep Happens a lot. Where do you think we get most organ donations from?

          • lady_black

            Actually, yes. It’s called brain death. Dead bodies are often kept functioning on machines to maintain the organs until they can be harvested. They have just enough brain function that the heart will continue beating so long as air is forced into the lungs. This cannot be continued indefinitely, as the body is actually dead and will continue to decompose, regardless of whether the heart is beating or not. It seems you know enough about medical matters to make you dangerous, and no more.

          • CT14

            Indefensible?

            Women are human beings. They have a right to bodily autonomy. You are the one unwilling to grant personhood to women.

            Until you are willing to submit to a law that forces you to donate that extra kidney to save a life at the whim of the government, you should just admit that you think pregnant women have fewer rights than all other human beings.

          • goatini

            But you are the one attempting to assert that fetuses are born infants, which they most emphatically are not. Your faulty logic is that if a fetus will one day be a born infant, then fetus=born infant.

            Using the same logic, born persons are corpses, because they will be one someday.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I never asserted that a fetus is a born infant. This is all specious because the words you use to describe something does not change its essence. Calling an unborn baby a fetus or a cactus does not make it any less human. Some sources use the word “baby” to cover the whole trip, and that makes you uncomfortable because it forces you to acknowledge that the fiction of the pro choice position is just that – fiction.

          • goatini

            Fetus is a precise scientific, medical and technical term that has a precise medical, scientific and technical definition. The “fiction” here lies in equating a product of conception with a born person and citizen.

          • JamieHaman

            Acorns are not oak trees, eggs are not chickens. Embryos and fetii are not human beings. All have the potential to be… all have the genetic material to be. All are not.

          • lady_black

            Tumors are human too.

          • lady_black

            All babies, ever, have already been born. A dead human body is not a person, nor is a zygote, blastosphere, blastocyst, embryo or fetus. It is human tissue to be sure. But because it has no autonomy it isn’t a person. Some day it might be. No guarantees.

          • P. McCoy

            It’s not human life, it’s a life in a parasitic relationship within someone’s body and Domestic Terrorists don’t get to dictate to me how I should handle its existence. Keep on marching, harassing and aiding in acts of terror-you will soon enough be fined into poverty and spend life in Federal prisons in solitary confinement; your so called churches will be exposed as political organizations and taxed as well as monitored by Homeland Security soon enough as vectors for domestic terrorism.

          • goatini

            Exactly my sentiments.

          • JamieHaman

            I’m ready for that. It is way past time these terrorists were locked up, The churches lose their tax free status, and this crap gets the domestic terrorism label it deserves.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            It’s a baby. Making up different names for it does not change that fact.

          • goatini

            A fetus is not a born infant.

            A fetus is not a person.
            A born infant is a person.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If it is in me and I do not want it in me, it is toast. Bye bye little embryo.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I feel bad for you. What a dissolute mindset.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do you want to force a dissolute woman like me to give birth to a child I do not want by force of law? Hmmm?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Words have meaning. Law has meaning. Dictionaries are not law and not definitive legally or morally.

            1 U.S. Code § 8 – “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
            Current through Pub. L. 113-86, except 113-79. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
            US Code
            (a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
            (b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
            (c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            We are not discussing legal definitions. We are using language in its broader sense. They are babies. If you need to rely on semantics to ease your moral issues with the practice, you should reflect on whether your position is correct.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Well by that definition my cat is a baby and she has a right to your body.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            LOL. I’ll take that as a surrender.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Who is we? You got a hamster in your anus?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Libs are all degenerates at their core. Give them an opportunity, and people of plum dumpling’s ilk prove it to you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So are you into forcing a degenerate like me to give birth by criminalizing abortion?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            How about keeping your knickers up until you have birth control in place? Is that too much self control for a self-confessed degenerate to put into play? Do you get so out-of-control when you are in the rut that your drawers just fall off of you?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am not interested in you sexually. You skeeve me.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Don’t worry Dumpling. I never got into frizzy haired, Birkenstock wearing unshaven hippy girls. Jibber Jabber Joe only shares his love with ladies.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Talk sex with somebody who likes you. You did not come here to have a reasonable discussion. You came here to show us your dik. No one is interested.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You began this run. Why are liberals so dishonest?

          • JamieHaman

            Not every pro choice individual is a liberal. Not every liberal is pro choice. To accuse liberals of being dishonest is beneath you, just like accusing conservatives of being dishonest is beneath me.

          • JamieHaman

            He has no idea how birth control really works for women. Rush Limbaugh all over again. sigh

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            He is a freak. Doubt the ICK has ever had a caring intimate relationship with a woman. Would you do him?

          • JamieHaman

            Not in this life time. He is a freak, and running around loose.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            And maybe demonstrating at women’s clinics?
            I started publishing a series about sexpig antichoice men on my blog. So far, in less than a month, I have three and I am about to start writing about a fourth.
            These guys are rapists and child molesters and all around crazies.

          • P. McCoy

            Keep your junk in your pants and no one will have to worry about pregnancy. Learn to fall in love with your hand, woman haters, religious cultist.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            P McCoy – you are correct to some extent. Men should keep it in their pants until they attend to proper precautions. But how does this equate to hating women? Very odd reasoning.

          • goatini

            Flagged for sexually explicit content deliberately intended as sexist hate speech.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Can’t stand the truth so shut people up. Yup. A lib.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Your deeply ingrained misogyny is not the truth. Go find an old sock to use instead of this website.

          • goatini

            Hate speech against female US citizens and their civil, human and Constitutional rights is not tolerated here. This is a reproductive justice website.

          • CT14

            Changing goalposts?

            Surprise surprise.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Not changing goalposts at all. I stand by the proposition that many dictionaries define baby as including a human fetus. So I am justified in using that word for that purpose. I’m not writing a legal brief.

          • lady_black

            Not any medical or legal dictionaries.

          • goatini

            No, fetuses are not babies.

          • JamieHaman

            Yeah, we talk legal definitions so people don’t make up their own. Keeps us honest. You should try it.

          • lady_black

            It seems to me that you are the one with “moral issues.” Go talk them out in therapy.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do dictionaries practice obstetrics and gynecology. Do dictionaries have pregnancies? In fact, a fetus does not meet the definition of human being in the medical or Oxford English dictionaries.

            A fetus is oblivious human tissue, it is alive, it may be unwanted.
            You advocate forcing a married couple to add another child they do not want and/or cannot afford by law? Do you dislike children?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Plum, here is your assignment. Go to a poor neighborhood and find a playground, and ask how many poor kids would like you to shoot them to save them from what you determined to be an unsatisfactory life. Report back with your findings.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You offer your fantasy of killing children as a tool of pedagogy? Yeah, you are sane. Sure you are.

          • P. McCoy

            Shooting poor children has nothing to do with abortion. Your remark that women only procreate and that men have no responsibility for sexism shows your pathetic sexism. You abdicate any male responsibility for sex. In your world men are not promiscuous, but women are. Hense you loathe women. Your opinions matter as much as a madman who thinks that he is Napoleon. You don’t get to dictate what I do with parasites and the fertilized eggs, fetuses and embryos are parasites if I decide this to be so.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Killing is killing. If your justification to abort a baby is that it might have a hard life, why is it unfair to ask people who face the perils you predict whether they would prefer to be terminated? Don’t make absurd justifications if you’re not willing to follow the logic through. The rest of your comment is a bald mis-characterization of my comments. I abdicate no one from responsibility. I was very clear that both parties are responsible, but the fact is that only one gender does the heavy lifting. That is an immutable law of basic biology. Finally, when you use terms like parasite and eggs, you reveal that you cannot or will not deal with the terrible immorality of what you support.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            So you don’t have a right to kill your rapist because people do not have the right to kill in self defense?

          • P. McCoy

            I deal with reality just fine. Fetuses, zygotes embryos and fertilized eggs are not human. Even if the law is changed to make them human I am not obliged to let them exist at my expense. The immorality that you support, kidnapping, forced birth and assaulting women to get you way is going to get YOU imprisoned. You do know that the law already looks at fanatical fundamentalists and Roman Catholics as potential Domestic Terrorists – you best be wise to quit threatening and harassing women here lest you get a knock on the door from Homeland Security.

          • JamieHaman

            Actually many adult humans do want the legal right to end their lives. They call it euthanasia. Check out the Hemlock Society.

          • lady_black

            Well. we won’t be bullied into doing your heavy lifting for you any more. Capiche? “Biology is destiny” is for livestock, not human beings. Human females don’t have to accept that shit, and really never have had to accept it. We will take the same rights you yourself have always enjoyed. YOU will just HAVE to get over it.

          • lady_black

            I’ll take “Bad Analogies” for $500, Alex.

          • JamieHaman

            Dictionaries are not doctors. Doctors are very specific about the term: fetus. Embryo. Never unborn child. Never human beings. That’s why doctors make the big bucks, they know the lingo.

          • lady_black

            Oh, but it IS relevant.

    • L-dan

      More sock puppet trolling? Tiresome and repetitive. 0/10

      • Jibber Jabber Joe

        Tell that to the dead babies.

        • Jennifer Starr

          What dead babies?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You’re sticking with the “medical procedure” euphemism, dear? How adorable.

          • L-dan

            Are eggs chickens?

            I’ll see your dead potential babies and raise you a bunch of dead actual people, which is the result when abortion is illegal.

            But of course, it’s ok with you that actual children have dead mothers.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Once an egg is fertilized, it is a new life on a continuum that will result in a chicken hatching if not interrupted. Are you all trying not to accept this simple reality to fool yourselves?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What do chickens have to do with humans? This is the old stupid “it is natural” argument.
            Childbirth is the leading cause of death of young women ages 15-19 in developing countries.
            Illegal abortion and childbirth are the leading causes of maternal death worldwide. Nature is brutal.
            Fertility is serious bloody business for women.
            And here you are, TurdBreath, explaining it all to us.
            Feh. You are a pukefest.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I was responding to L-dan who asked the question about whether chickens are eggs. Sorry dumpling, but the solution to unwanted pregnancy should not be killing babies and you’ll never win an argument that says it is. The reason you get so angry is that you know you are tied to a untenable position.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            No babies are ever killed in abortions. Only mindless embryos. And the right to life does not include the right to violate the body of another

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            That is a weak fiction to justify what is being done.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            1) embryos are mindless, this is scientific FACT

            2) the right to life does not include the right to violate your body. No one can violate your body in the most intimate way even if it does save their life.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Violate your body? You made a choice when you tucked your heels behind your neck. The consequences of that choice is a new person and you should not have the right to do the ultimate violence to that person.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Awww. Now you show your true colours. You’re a s1ut-shaming misogynist pig. Where is your hatred for the men who can’t keep it zipped? Oh right. ONLY women are guilty of a crime should they have sex.

            And no, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. If you do not want something inside your body you are free to remove it at any time. As soon as you do not want it there, you have revoked consent, and it can be evicted.

            if someone was to stick their dick in your hairy ass (as per your request) and then refused to remove it after you revoked your consent, they can’t then say ‘but you asked for it when you initially consented’.

            Consent is ALWAYS REVOKABLE

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            A lot of anger there, Lieutenant. It’s a shame that people refuse to take responsibility for their actions, both men and women. But whether you want to acknowledge it or not, women are the gate keepers. Consent is revokable prior to the act taking place. Once you consent and the deed is done, you can’t take it back and whether you like it or not the consequences fall more heavily on women. The solution is to not grant consent until you are in a committed relationship with someone who respects you and does not consider you a carnival ride. Old fashioned? Maybe. Better than being a killer though.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            You are the one who hates women. Deal with your issues, sweetie.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Wanting to save lives and prevent confused, frightened women from making a decision that will haunt them forever is hate? Liberals really took “1984” to heart. Just keep on changing what words mean to support indefensible positions.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            imnotsorry.net

            Save your pretend concern for women’s wellbeing for someone who actually buys into your bullshit.

            You get your high from s1ut shaming women.

            And no, dumbfuck, even married women with children will have abortions. it’s not just young s1uts, which is what you seem to think. The majority of women who get abortions already have at least 1 kid and are struggling to raise that kid. And a man and a woman in a committed relationship have the right to decide how many kids they will have.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I dealt with many women who bought into the “medical procedure” and “just an egg” fictions and then suffered tremendous guilt when holding a later child in their arms. You may be able to delude yourself into believing that nonsense, or perhaps you are so remarkably callous that you don’t care, but many women are victims of this industry.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            47,000 women dead per year from illegal abortion because they would rather DIE than be pregnant

            300k women dead per year wordlwide from pregnancy

            20 million permanently maimed and disabled from preganncy

            many many people who wish they had never had kids

            blow it out your ass

          • goatini

            Since the vast majority of patients that exercise their civil, human and Constitutional rights to obtain a safe, legal pregnancy termination experience no regret whatsoever but rather immense RELIEF, your concern about the victimization of women should be more appropriately addressed to the REAL money-makers in this equation, which is the billion-dollar global human trafficking adoption industry that victimizes and exploits innocent women.

          • lady_black

            Horse hockey.

          • goatini

            Thanks for letting us know that you do not consider females to be capable of personal agency.

          • lady_black

            Keep it in your pants and then you don’t have to worry about it. So long as the primary burden continues to fall on women (which is to say, always), women will keep on doing whatever they need to do. Better learn to deal with that, before someone pops you a new rectum right in the middle of your forehead.

          • goatini

            I see, so males have no accountability whatsoever. SSDD, par for the course from misogynist MRAs.

          • Unicorn Farm

            “Consent is revokable prior to the act taking place.”

            Cool then so I can just not consent to birth and have an abortion. Sweet.

          • lady_black

            Consent is revocable in the middle of the act. Or more toward the end. You sure like talking a lot of rapey bullshit, don’tcha?

          • fiona64

            ‘fess up, Joe … you were typing with one hand when you wrote that, weren’t yoU?

          • goatini

            Flagged for explicit sexual description deliberately intended as sexist slur.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            When you can’t support your position, you try to stifle speech. Very liberal thing to do.

          • goatini

            This is a private website dedicated to the protection of reproductive justice. Inflammatory and specious propaganda gets flagged.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Flagged for more unwanted degrading sexual content.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Really, though, so much of the anti-choice rhetoric is degrading sexual language. It’s so often describing women in sexual positions, with a negative connotation. “Open her legs, can’t keep her legs closed, spread her legs, keep her knees together.”

            You just know they’re rubbing one out over it.

            The issue isn’t teh bayyyyyyyybeeeeees, its women having sex.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yep. This guy? and his fellows are sexpigs.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “Should” in one of your hands and shyte in the other, they both have the same value.
            You do not respond to medical information.
            All you offer is more GOO GOO GAH GAH

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Plum pudding, you’ve got nothing. the medical information is very clear. After conception, you begin a continuum that ends with a little baby in your arms. It will not be an artichoke or a 59 Chevy. And if you kill it, you kill it. You may have a lot of excuses for why you decide to kill it, but if you pretend the reasons change the fact that you killed a baby, you’re just fooling yourself. What bothers me is that young vulnerable scared women believe your lies and then later deeply regret it when the dirty deed cannot be undone.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            GOO GOO GAH GAH.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Exactly.

          • lady_black

            That continuum could end as a cancerous growth. You’re boring the hell out of me.

          • goatini

            We are righteous American citizens defending our civil, human and Constitutional rights. The untenable position is the one that wants to erase those rights.

          • lady_black

            LOL. Yeah, sure. It’s so “untenable” that it’s been a fact of life for all of human history. You already lost this argument, and you lost it thousands of years ago. You lack the capacity to learn from your errors. That makes you insane.

          • lady_black

            But it WILL be interrupted. You can take your fertilized egg fetish and your fetal idolatry and cram it some place. We aren’t dumb animals at the mercy of biology. We are intelligent beings with the capacity to manipulate biology. And manipulate it we shall. No matter what you have to say about it.

          • Jennifer Starr

            A medical procedure is precisely what it is. You may not agree with that procedure, but that’s irrelevant.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Respecting human life is never irrelevant. Most people are not willing to accept those euphemisms, which is why for the first time in years more people classify themselves as pro life than pro choice. Your culture of death is going to come to an end. Sadly, not soon enough to save millions of lives.

          • CT14

            I really wish you would respect female human life.

            The utter lack of respect you have for the basic humanity of pregnant women is indefensible.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Since about half of all abortions (probably more, given gender selection) are female human lives, I would say you are the person demonstrating an appalling lack of respect.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Source or it did not happen.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            LOL. You are just a little bundle of self-deception, aren’t you?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            GOO.

          • goatini

            We’re not the ones who fetishize fetuses and who want to erase the civil, human and Constitutional rights of female US citizens.

          • lady_black

            No more than the fact that likely more than half of aborted fetuses are male demonstrates disrespect for males. One has nothing to do with the other.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So wrong. Where do I start? Your numbers will do:
            …………………….
            As the 40th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision approaches, the public remains opposed to completely overturning the historic ruling on abortion. More than six-in-ten (63%) say they would not like to see the court completely overturn the Roe v. Wade decision, which established a woman’s constitutional right to abortion at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Only about three-in-ten (29%) would like to see the ruling overturned. These opinions are little changed from surveys conducted 10 and 20 years ago.
            http://www.pewforum.org/2013/01/16/roe-v-wade-at-40/

          • P. McCoy

            When the young start dying from illegal abortions, they’ll wake up and respect the right to a safe legal abortion – young people don’t remember what dying by coat hangers was like. But me, I won’t rest until your political groups are fined and your type are put in solitary confinement behind bars as Domestic Terrorists.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            How about they spend some of the millions and millions of dollars they collect to tend to their mission – the “planned” part of planned parenthood. If you look at abortion stats, you have no choice but to conclude that they are a colossal failure at their mission – even for liberals.

          • goatini

            Let us know when you respect the lives, and the civil, human and Constitutional rights, of living, breathing female US citizens.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Sorry, but I cannot equate terminating babies with respect for life. It is painfully illogical. Why don’t you do something productive, like get Planned Parenthood to start spending more money working on the “planning” part of their name. Seems pretty clear to me that an ounce of prevention is a far superior investment.

          • lady_black

            Oh gee. You mean what they were doing before Governor Goodhair stopped them from doing it? Uh-oh. Irony alert.

          • goatini

            Fetuses are not babies, not persons, not citizens, and have no rights.

            97% of Planned Parenthood’s services are not related to safe, legal pregnancy termination.

          • lady_black

            Abortion will never come to an end. It’s been a fact of life since our ancestors climbed out of trees and started planting gardens. And it always WILL be a part of life.

          • Arekushieru

            Medical treatment, returning one to their former state of health. Now, the only way you can claim that abortion is NOT medical treatment is by saying that pregnancy IS the former state of health for women. But that would just make you a sick, depraved, little man.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            The human life that the woman created by taking advantage of the choices available to her is not getting a medical treatment. It is getting killed. Calling the taking of a human life a medical procedure is a pretty twisted thing to do.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Pregnancy maims and kills. The right to life ends the moment anything has to violate and assault another human as life support.

          • CT14

            Cute toe-tapping around the word “sin”.

            Sorry, but even wanted pregnancies go bad. Doesn’t give the fetus the right to own the woman’s body.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “A” life can stand next to me in the checkout line. An embryo is not “a” life until it survives birth. That is the law. That is moral.
            More goo goo gah gah. Like we have not heard all this shyte before.

          • lady_black

            Well of COURSE the fetus isn’t getting a medical treatment. That wouldn’t be possible. The WOMAN is getting a medical treatment.

          • Arekushieru

            Also, why do you people never complain about the money being given to politicians when it comes to providing maternal care? Because it really isn’t about whether or not the government gets your money, but you still bring it up like that’s somehow relevant. Oops?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Not a euphemism. An abortion is a medical procedure that ends a pregnancy. The embryo dies as a result of ending the pregnancy. You can babytalk all you like but if you do your posts are meaningless in this discussion.
            Goo goo gah gah.

          • fiona64

            It is a medical procedure, sweetie.

            So easy to be an anti-choice male, isn’t it?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            In the same sense that execution by lethal injection is a medical procedure.

          • lady_black

            No, an execution isn’t a medical procedure. It’s an execution. Simply because you don’t like a certain medical procedure doesn’t mean it’s not a medical procedure. An abortion can be a medical procedure, or a natural process, or both.

  • Mentallect

    Rick Perry’s sister abortion clinic is now angered by Planned Parenthood providing competition.

  • Jibber Jabber Joe

    I find it interesting that when you honestly state what an abortion is, many sites will delete the post. If it wasn’t true, it wouldn’t hit a nerve. I don’t know why editors think they are doing anyone a favor by contributing to the fiction that it is something other than what it plainly is.

    • Shan

      The site didn’t delete you, your post went to moderation because it got flagged for trolling. Starting off with “See, ladies” and then calling them all baby killers will do that. You don’t want to have a discussion, you’re just doing the cyber-equivalent of what the screaming “protesters” outside clinics do.

      • Jibber Jabber Joe

        So the problem is bringing up the truth to a bunch of people who prefer self-deception and artificial justification?

        • goatini

          The problem is trolls spewing lying propaganda on a website that exists to present news and facts about reproductive justice.

        • lady_black

          Who died and made you the arbiter of what is “truth?”

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      As ye sow, so shall ye reap. It is biblical.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Call nice women evil names and lie a lot and your posts get hidden and eventually you get banned. You can yell “murder” elsewhere on the net. Do it here and we rip your face off. What did you expect, Bedwetter?

      • Jibber Jabber Joe

        I called someone a name? Nope. Just described what they do. You’re so delusional that you call me a name that is apropos of nothing. Just childish lashing out.

    • lady_black

      I’ve honestly stated here at least fifty times what an abortion is. An abortion is the termination of pregnancy, prior to viability (after viability, it becomes a delivery or birth) by spontaneous or induced means. I’ll bet you a thousand dollars my comment isn’t deleted.

  • pegjohnston

    Why in the world is Planned Parenthood building a large expensive Ambulatory Surgery Center in San Antonio when there is an excellent ASC there run by Whole Woman’s Health, known for their quality abortion care. Why spend all the money raised over the fight with the Texas government and not expand access? Why not go where there are NO SERVICES at all like the Rio Grande? What happened to PP mission? Please keep asking these questions until we get an answer.

    • Claire Keyes

      I was shocked and dismayed to learn that Planned Parenthood plans to build a big expensive fancy clinic in San Antonio, TX, when millions of women in other parts of the state have no provider at all! This is not the first time Planned Parenthood and their boards have done this, but to do it in TX is really shameful. There are millions of women who will have to travel many hours, hundreds of miles for an abortion and PP chooses to build their new facility in a city that already has a surgical center. How can their board justify this?

      • Shan

        I’ve been in construction for 20 years and I can tell you that if there’s a $5M project that can be completed between now and September (as the article claims) then there were a lot of irons in the fire already for MONTHS before now. Don’t complain about the location, it might have been the best available at the time in advance of the legislation that eventually came down the pike.

        • Dawn9476

          And like I said before, San Antonio is a more liberal city. They won’t have a hard time getting a permit like they would in the more conservative areas of Texas.

        • Claire Keyes

          Shan, let me explain. It does not matter when the process for opening a new facility in San Antonio began. The point is that the San Antonio region was already being served. Texas is a big big state. Why not build a facility in an area where women actually need it? As pegjohnston asked earlier, what happened to PP mission?

          • CT14

            They were probably able to get a permit there.

            As more facilities close, the demand will rise. It’s horrific that women will have to drive hundreds of miles, and poor women will be hurt the most, but the demand is not going away just by closing facilities. Women will flock to the ones still open.

            It’s not the best solution, but it’s a horrible situation.

          • lady_black

            Dense concern troll is dense and concerned. Please refer to my comment about the expense of building hospitals and surgery centers in rural areas that won’t support the expense. Clinics were filling in that gap before Texas fucked it up.

      • Dawn9476

        It is probably easier to get a permit to build such a facility in a more liberal city like San Antonio than it is to get in the more rural and more conservative areas of Texas.

      • R0chambeau

        Oh no, they might have to travel a few hours?

        How many abortions are these women getting?

        • Libby Reale

          You really are a clueless idiot.

          • R0chambeau

            Boo hoo. I’m sorry that you’re getting so many abortions that traveling a couple of hours is too much of a hassle.

          • Libby Reale

            That’s not the issue and I’m pretty sure you know that. If not, there really is no hope for your condition.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Trust me, he’s really not worth replying to.

          • Libby Reale

            Yeah, I get it. It’s like trying to respond to a brick wall.

          • Heather O’Keefe

            It’s not like replying to a brick wall Libby…More like responding to a troll instead. ;)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So true. Trolls are much livelier than brick walls but, to give Libby her due, they are just as dense.

      • lady_black

        Medically underserved areas are served mainly by clinics, not by hospital and ambulatory surgery centers in areas where the relatively lower population cannot support the expense of building such structures. It was working very well before the government started playing games with the system. Congratulations. Governor Oops has managed to deny funding to clinics that were serving women’s health and not even doing abortions. What could possibly go wrong? Now these people have nowhere to go, and that isn’t the fault of Planned Parenthood.

    • Dawn9476

      I seriously doubt they would be able to get a permit to build a facility in Rio Grande.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Why not?
      Concern troll is concerned and joined by other concern trolls.
      RIGHT WING MEME ALERT.

    • lady_black

      How many hospitals are there in that area to obtain unnecessary admitting privileges with? You know, within 30 miles and all the other unneeded bullshit? And will they still be getting the Medicaid funding that was denied to them because of Texas blatant disregard for federal regulations ensuring the right of Medicaid patients to choose their own provider? None of this is the doing of Planned Parenthood. You can place the blame for this squarely on the shoulders of Governor Oops and the other jack-booted thugs running the state government. That’s where it belongs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Slaby/100001301975166 Dan Slaby

    Planned Parenthood should consider the opportunity for establishing ambulatory surgery centers nationally as a business opportunity -

    • Shan

      They didn’t have enough business before the TX legislature shut them down with TRAP laws?

  • JamieHaman

    Jibber Jabber Joe: You got it in one!!!! SAFE is the word. No more women dying of botched abortions. Not bleeding out. Not dying of sepsis. Not dying in agony. No born children losing their mothers

    • Jibber Jabber Joe

      Exactly. We don’t need more Dr. Kermits running around. It’s like the thirst for this activity is so strong they don’t even want to make sure it’s medically safe.

      • JamieHaman

        What Kermit did was murder. Killing babies after they are born is infanticide. Don’t even compare that to a safe, legal, pre-viable abortion.

        • Jibber Jabber Joe

          It’s a distinction without a difference. The end result is the same.

          • lady_black

            Oh buster, it’s a distinction with a HUGE difference. Abortions prior to viability is legal in Pennsylvania. Murdering a live-born child is illegal in all 50 states.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Troll enjoys fantasizing about killing children. It enjoys fetusporn. It came here to share with us.
            In a little while it will start talking about your “keep drawers up.”
            Fap fap fap fap fap …

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Lady black – you are 100% correct from a legal standpoint. I was discussing it from a moral standpoint.

          • lady_black

            Of course, you DO realize that your moral standards apply only to yourself, and that even with that caveat, the moral implications are STILL completely different… right?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            For today. The point of the discussion in the public forum is to build support for laws that are in line with one’s beliefs. Now that a majority in the country consider themselves pro life, we can start moving laws into that direction. Roe v. Wade was a ridiculous opinion, so it’s only a matter of time before it is overturned.

          • lady_black

            This is NOT about what the majority of the country wants. Our system protects individuals from the tyranny of the majority, and always has. You’re pretty ballsy to think you have any say in what decisions I make with my doctor. If I wanted your opinion, I’d kick it out of you. I don’t want your opinion, and I don’t have to go along with your opinion.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Take it easy sunshine. Believe it or not, one purpose of forming a civilization is to offer the protection of the group to its weakest members. It is clear the law protects the unborn, it’s only a matter of when that protection begins, and it keeps getting moved back closer and closer to conception. I really don’t care what you and your doctor think, I get to tell you that you cannot destroy your child after a certain period of gestation. Since you lack what I would consider a baseline of common human decency, then society will have to slap it into you.

          • lady_black

            Most states place restrictions on abortion post-viability. I’m ok with those restrictions, mostly because post-viability it’s no longer an abortion. Viability is a medical judgment, not the judgment of uneducated rubes such as yourself. I might also point out the absurdly obvious that you have no right to conscript my body in the protection of anything or anyone, including yourself. I am not a feeding tube, respirator or machine to be at the service of furthering anyone’s life but my own. And I will NOT be reduced to the status of property (yours or the state’s) nor will I be anyone’s utilitarian object. THAT’S what our laws say, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging swine.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You will be reduced to the status of property (in your words) from the date of viability until the date of birth. You will be a feeding tube (in your words) during that period and you don’t have a thing to say about it. You volunteered for the job, you began the work, so you will finish it because we (society) require you to do so and you don’t have squat to say about it. Now we just have to get one more member of the court to accept the plain truth that it is a human from the moment of conception, and you’ll be a good little incubator and put these barbaric thoughts of terminating these little lives right out of your mind.

          • lady_black

            Nope. You will never make a second-class citizen out of me, nor give me less rights than a corpse. Women have always had the final say, and nothing you do will ever change that.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You just admitted you didn’t. You admitted that from the point of viability you are, in your words, a second class citizen. You don’t have the final say. You have no say at all.

          • lady_black

            Yes, in one way or the other, I will always have the final say. I’m your worst enemy.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I am an optimist. I think we can evolve beyond being the kind of mouth breathing knuckle dragging brutes that would end the lives of their own children for nothing but the sake of convenience.

          • lady_black

            You’re dreaming. You dream of doing something that has never been accomplished in all of human history, and even sillier, you plan on doing it by using those who have no intention of going along with you. You must be on crack.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Give it time. As a conservative I believe all people are up to the task of becoming civilized. I don’t hold with those that have low expectations.

          • lady_black

            Dream on.

          • P. McCoy

            A conservative advocating assault – just keep flapping those jaws of yours a cell in Leavenworth is waiting. Your family will be sued into pernury when your victims press charges.

          • lady_black

            If he tried that with me, some doctor would be doing exploratory surgery to find out how high into his body his gonads got kicked.

          • goatini

            Flagged for hate speech against female US citizens and their civil rights.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You lost the argument. You’re just not bright enough to realize it.

          • lady_black

            No. YOU lost the argument. What happens to those “little lives” when women check out?

          • lady_black

            A pregnancy can be ended. Prior to viability or subsequent to viability. After viability, it just becomes birth. Whether the fetus survives birth or not is irrelevant.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Keep running your mouth. You’re continually reminding me of why I’m no longer ‘pro-life’.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Oh, and flagged.

          • Arekushieru

            Why is it so difficult for you to understand that the same reasons that a woman may choose to have an abortion pre-viability are the SAME reasons that she may choose to have an abortion POST-viability. Also, it is immoral to say that up to a certain point of gestation a woman does not have the right to medical privacy, whereas immediately following that she DOES have the right. What makes a woman a person in one case, but not the other, in your mind, iow?

          • Unicorn Farm

            “…and you’ll be a good little incubator and put these barbaric thoughts of terminating these little lives right out of your mind.”

            What a creepy little masturbatory fantasy this post is. You better go clean off your key board.

            Thankfully for me,* I’m a rich** woman so I’ll never be forced to bear a child I don’t want. If I don’t want it in my body after viability, I’ll have labor induced. Because I have resources.

            *wish this was true for all women
            ** relatively speaking. Privileged enough to (hopefully) always be able to access abortion care.

          • lady_black

            Poor women can still end a pregnancy, it’s just less safe for them. If this clown gets his way, Jane will rise again. And there are SO many more of us with medical training now.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Of course. I just resist his diseased salivating over the idea that he’s so close to controlling women.

          • lady_black

            He’s blowing smoke. He will never control women. I would kill rather than be controlled.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Why do nasty unkempt feminists think that they make points claiming some odd sexual component to a completely non-sexual argument? This lack of originality and intelligence explains why you can’t keep a husband.

          • Unicorn Farm

            You mad, bro?

          • goatini

            Flagged for advocacy of violation of citizens’ civil, human and Constitutional rights, and for advocacy of imposing gestational slavery and chattel status upon female US citizens.

          • Unicorn Farm

            “I get to tell you that you cannot destroy your child after a certain period of gestation. Since you lack what I would consider a baseline of common human decency, then society will have to slap it into you.”

            You sound like an abusive man-telling women that YOU “get to” tell them what they do with their bodies and then saying that you’ll “slap it into” them.

          • lady_black

            Chances are 99-1 that he’s never been clocked by a cast-iron skillet while sleeping.

          • goatini

            Flagged for advocating violence upon citizens electing to choose to exercise their civil, human and Constitutional rights.

          • lady_black

            You just try it and I will stand my ground.

          • P. McCoy

            Forced birth is slavery – we won’t be overturning abortion, we’ll be dealing with religious fanatics trying to turn the United States into a theocracy and imposing their misguided beliefs onto others.

          • goatini

            Which one of your civil rights should be removed from you?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I already corrected you on this with attribution. 63% of Americans support Roe v. Wade.
            Stop lying, you creep.

          • lady_black

            Maybe he’d like to see a bunch of fundie churches burned to the ground.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            May come to that. We are not going back.

          • lady_black

            The only thing you’ll be moving is your own bowels. If Roe were overturned, it wouldn’t make one bit of difference in the number of abortions done.

          • goatini

            As your comments here have all been nothing more than amoral propaganda, you most emphatically are not on the higher ground.

          • JamieHaman

            Hardly. The difference is born children who are murdered. Fetii are not children. Before viability they are effective parasites. Children are not parasites.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Between viability and live birth, you are not allowed to off them or off-load them, so they are effective parasites, are they not? And correct me if I’m wrong, seeing as how I’m just a man, but I believe they are not particularly capable of tending for themselves after they are born.

          • JamieHaman

            Yep. Still effective parasites indeed. However, before viability, they are not capable of even so much as breathing on their own.
            Women are not respirators, nor are they machines. Nor are they slaves to risk their bodies or their lives for someone else’s desire to see a child born.
            Once born, one certainly hopes that the child is born into a loving family, who can and will love, feed, educate, provide housing, medical care, clothing, and be able to teach decency, kindness, a work ethic, and above all remember to teach to do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Between viability and birth, they are parasites. I get that the court created a fiction that the state becomes interested at the point of viability, but since they mother cannot eject the kid at that point and hand it off to someone, it is not a logical break point. The kid is more of a parasite and a risk to the mother after viability than before.

          • lady_black

            Actually she absolutely CAN eject it and hand it off to someone else. And that is exactly what will happen if a pregnancy endangers her.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            If the mother’s health is in jeopardy (and I would include in this her mental well being if the pregnancy was the result of rape) it is a different story. That’s not what we’re discussing.

          • lady_black

            Then apparently you believe that women who want to be pregnant will be seeking abortions. That NEVER HAPPENS except where her health is being jeopardized.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You’re off in left field again. Leave heath issue out of it. The vast, vast majority have nothing to do with health issues.

          • lady_black

            Those are early terminations, and none of your business.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Not yet, but they will be.

          • lady_black

            No. They never will be. It’s SO EASY to make a device that extracts the lining of a woman’s uterus (along with anything else that might be in there) safely and efficiently. And now we even have pills to get the job done. You need to do a little research, buddy boy. Look up menstrual extraction and the Jane Collective. Women weren’t sitting there twiddling their thumbs in the late 60s and early 70s waiting for men to give them permission to terminate their pregnancies. The sisters were doing it for themselves. And if you think Jane won’t rise again, you’re even dumber than I thought you were.

          • goatini

            Flagged for implicit threat against the civil, human and Constitutional rights of female US citizens.

          • JamieHaman

            What in the world would make early terminations any of your business?

          • JamieHaman

            How do you know that? Are you the treating doctor? No, then you don’t know that at all.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I thought you were trying to be serious. My mistake.

          • JamieHaman

            I am being serious. You really have no idea why women who get abortions get them. You have decided that it is convenience, there for they are wrong to get them. You don’t know their reasons. You don’t get to make up your own reasons and call that true.

          • JamieHaman

            Then just what are we discussing? Women you think are responsible enough to have children at the age of twelve? Women who had a contraceptive failure? Married women whose husbands don’t want another child? Women who simply can not afford another child? Or just women who have abortions YOU don’t approve of?

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            We’re talking about the bulk of them – for convenience and as a result of not taking precautions. The vast majority.

          • lady_black

            Those that are none of your business. There. I fixed it for you.

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Every pregnancy can kill, disable and permanently injure the woman.

            No such thing as a safe pregnancy.

          • JamieHaman

            Them? Which “Them”? The bulk of the women I just listed? Or some other bulk of women?

          • Lieutenant Nun

            Every single pregnancy is a health issue:

            Each year in the U.S., about 800 women die of pregnancy-related complications and 52,000 experience emergencies such as acute renal failure, shock, respiratory distress, aneurysms and heart surgery. That’s about 2% of births per year. 25% will suffer permanent physical maiming or injury.An additional 34,000 barely avoid death.
            Maternal death in the US is about 22/100,000, or about 0.022%

            A 27.22% risk of permanent injury, disability and even death. Is this not enough risk for you? Should you be forced to risk this to preserve life? Should anyone? Why do you get to choose for women? Why is your view on risk assessment more valid than the person who is actually facing the risk?

            Data modeling suggesting 21/100,000 US maternal mortality rate

            In 2004/2005, 1.7 million women per year suffered adverse health effects

            http://search.worldbank.org/data?qterm=us%20maternal%20mortality%20rate&language=EN

            http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/campaigns/demand-dignity/maternal-health-is-a-human-right/maternal-health-in-the-us

            http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/why-are-so-many-u-s-women-dying-during-childbirth/article_dd916b4b-38f0-5bae-ba42-ddee636e4cf4.html

            http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/dec/10/torn-apart-by-childbirth

            http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/opera-singer-suing-hospital-episiotomy-left-her-severe-162302400.html

            Normal, frequent
            or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

            exhaustion (weariness
            common from first weeks)

            altered appetite
            and senses of taste and smell

            nausea and vomiting
            (50% of women, first trimester)

            heartburn and indigestion

            constipation

            weight gain

            dizziness and light-headedness

            bloating, swelling,
            fluid retention

            hemmorhoids

            abdominal cramps

            yeast infections

            congested, bloody
            nose

            acne and mild skin
            disorders

            skin discoloration
            (chloasma, face and abdomen)

            mild to severe backache
            and strain

            increased headaches

            difficulty sleeping,
            and discomfort while sleeping

            increased urination
            and incontinence

            bleeding gums

            pica

            breast pain and
            discharge

            swelling of joints,
            leg cramps, joint pain

            difficulty sitting,
            standing in later pregnancy

            inability to take
            regular medications

            shortness of breath

            higher blood pressure

            hair loss

            tendency to anemia

            curtailment of ability
            to participate in some sports and activities

            infection
            including from serious and potentially fatal disease

            (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with
            non-pregnant women, and
            are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)

            extreme pain on
            delivery

            hormonal mood changes,
            including normal post-partum depression

            continued post-partum
            exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section
            — major surgery — is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to
            fully recover)

            Normal, expectable,
            or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

            stretch marks (worse
            in younger women)

            loose skin

            permanent weight
            gain or redistribution

            abdominal and vaginal
            muscle weakness

            pelvic floor disorder
            (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers
            and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal
            incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life — aka prolapsed utuerus,
            the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)

            changes to breasts

            varicose veins

            scarring from episiotomy
            or c-section

            other permanent
            aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed
            by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)

            increased proclivity
            for hemmorhoids

            loss of dental and
            bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)

            higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer’s

            newer research indicates
            microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and
            mother (including with “unrelated” gestational surrogates)

            Occasional complications
            and side effects:

            complications of episiotomy

            spousal/partner
            abuse

            hyperemesis gravidarum

            temporary and permanent
            injury to back

            severe
            scarring
            requiring later surgery
            (especially after additional pregnancies)

            dropped (prolapsed)
            uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other
            pelvic floor weaknesses — 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele,
            and enterocele)

            pre-eclampsia
            (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated
            with eclampsia, and affecting 7 – 10% of pregnancies)

            eclampsia (convulsions,
            coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)

            gestational diabetes

            placenta previa

            anemia (which
            can be life-threatening)

            thrombocytopenic
            purpura

            severe cramping

            embolism
            (blood clots)

            medical disability
            requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of
            many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother
            or baby)

            diastasis recti,
            also torn abdominal muscles

            mitral valve stenosis
            (most common cardiac complication)

            serious infection
            and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)

            hormonal imbalance

            ectopic pregnancy
            (risk of death)

            broken bones (ribcage,
            “tail bone”)

            hemorrhage
            and

            numerous other complications
            of delivery

            refractory gastroesophageal
            reflux disease

            aggravation of pre-pregnancy
            diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5%
            of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment
            prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)

            severe post-partum
            depression and psychosis

            research now indicates
            a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments,
            including “egg harvesting” from infertile women and donors

            research also now
            indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity
            in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy

            research also indicates
            a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary
            and cardiovascular disease

            Less common (but
            serious) complications:

            peripartum cardiomyopathy

            cardiopulmonary
            arrest

            magnesium toxicity

            severe hypoxemia/acidosis

            massive embolism

            increased intracranial
            pressure, brainstem infarction

            molar pregnancy,
            gestational trophoblastic disease
            (like a pregnancy-induced
            cancer)

            malignant arrhythmia

            circulatory collapse

            placental abruption

            obstetric fistula

            More
            permanent side effects:

            future infertility

            permanent disability

            death.

            ———-

            Would you agree that you should be FORCED to risk any of the above to save a life, even if you say, hurt a person in a fist fight at the bar? or in a car accident? I am guessing the answer is ‘no’, ‘idiot joe wouldn’t risk death and disability to save a life, let alone agree that he should be legally obligated to’

          • Unicorn Farm

            Jibber Jabber Joe lady_black • 11 minutes ago

            If the mother’s health is in jeopardy (and I would include in this her mental well being if the pregnancy was the result of rape) it is a different story.”
            Why? Didn’t she consent to the consequences of her actions? So what if it causes health problems. She consented. Isn’t that your argument?

          • lady_black

            He’s a goalpost mover.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Yup. Not sure why I’m bothering to respond to such a blatant troll. Bored at work I s’pose.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            How come it is okay to kill the baby of a rapist and not okay to kill the baby of a player?
            It is a baaaayyyyyybbeeeeee!

          • lady_black

            Yeah, right. Changing a loaded diaper isn’t pregnancy, no matter how hard you try to pretend it is. Any moron can do that. Even you. Only a specific woman can be pregnant. And by the way, should a pregnancy threaten to harm a woman, labor will be induced so fast it makes your stupid head spin. Even if the “viable” fetus turns out to be not so viable after all.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            You still refuse to acknowledge that between viability and birth, you don’t have a damn thing to say about carrying the kid, so why should it not be the case earlier when the burden and risk on the mother are tremendously smaller? Unless you believe that you should be able to schedule a c-section or induce labor at the moment of viability, the distinction has no meaning.

          • JamieHaman

            Not so. The women who are still carrying their pregnancies are carrying them because they want too. Not because they have to.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            OK. So once she makes the choice to carry to viability she is committed. That makes some sense.

          • lady_black

            It’s not that simple, fathead. Consent must be ongoing. It’s not a “once and done” activity.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            No its not. I already instructed you on this. Once it hits viability, you have no say in it. You are to do what we tell you to do.

          • lady_black

            That isn’t how it works.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            That is precisely how it works.

          • lady_black

            Only if she wants to be pregnant. Otherwise it will never get to that point.

          • JamieHaman

            No. It doesn’t work that way. You are not the boss/owner of any one except yourself. You are going to have to learn how to deal with that. This is the year 2014, not 1202. Those women died from their abortions like flies. Parents without daughters, husbands without wives, children without mothers. You want to go back to that?
            Oh no.

          • Unicorn Farm

            Again with the creepy control fantasies.
            There are still myriad ways to end pregnancy after viability.

          • lady_black

            You instruct me in nothing. You don’t pack the intellectual gear to be my instructor.

          • JamieHaman

            No. Joe, it doesn’t work that way either. You, nor society own us. You do not get to make any decisions for us, because it is not your job.
            We are not slave, nor machinery, and biology doesn’t rule. If abortions are made illegal, desperate women will have them anyway. Some of those desperate women will die.
            Do you really want to see more children grow up without their mothers?

          • Jennifer Starr

            The only pregnancies you get to make decisions about are your own.

          • lady_black

            And I already told you that is NOT TRUE. The woman always has a say over her own healthcare.

          • JamieHaman

            Good grief, most women, in fact 2 out of three carry their pregnancy to term because they want to! Why would you think otherwise?

          • lady_black

            That’s the only reason I’ve ever carried a pregnancy to term, Jamie. Maybe it’s just us ;)

          • JamieHaman

            It begins to feel like it’s just us that’s for sure. I had to go take a deep, deep breath.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            I’m saying I understand the point you’re making. Once most women get to that point they already decided to keep it, so it is not a practical issue. That doesn’t address the legal point, i.e., why at that point society declares that it has a duty to protect the unborn child.

          • lady_black

            I get the feeling there’s a lot about the law you don’t understand.

          • goatini

            There is no such thing as an “unborn child” You are not an “undead corpse”.*

            (* Although the State of Texas recently attempted a macabre experiment of this kind upon an innocent victim of death caused by pregnancy.)

          • Unicorn Farm

            Not really though. She can still find a way out of pregnancy for a myriad of reasons. Or your side wouldn’t be squalling all the time about “late term abortions”. Right?

          • lady_black

            That’s because you CAN induce labor or schedule a C-section if the pregnancy is putting the woman’s health at risk. In fact, that’s the usual procedure. I would make the assumption by that time that the woman wants to be pregnant. But the fetus STILL has no absolute right to her body, and if she needs the pregnancy gone, it’s gone.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Leave health risk out of it. That is a whole different set of circumstances.

          • lady_black

            Which PART of “I will assume by that time (viability) that the woman wants to be pregnant” is confusing to you?

          • JamieHaman

            Joe, the risk applies to every single pregnancy. All of them. Those risks simply cannot be left out of the pregnancy equation. Do most occur with out death in this country? Yes, because we have pre-natal care and treatment available. Does every woman in this country have insurance? Not. Do you have any idea of the costs of having a baby in todays’ hospitals? Bet not.
            The U.S. does not do as well with 1st year life as other countries. Look at third world countries. On average 1 in 10 women dies of all the women who have a baby that year. That is one heck of a lot of dying.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The USA is 50th among the nations in maternal health outcomes. Hopefully that will change with the ACA.

          • JamieHaman

            I hope it does. Honestly, I don’t think it will though, til we go to single payer. Here’s hoping I’m wrong.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We still have states like mine (PA) and red states who have refused medicare expansion. And their hospitals are closing. In the service of freedumb, third world healthcare has been created in America.

          • JamieHaman

            Living in Texas. Know exactly what you are talking about. Freedumb. Perfect word choice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do you read JuanitaJean.com ? Very funny Texas political blog.

          • goatini

            Love me some Juanita Jean. Signed, former resident of Fort Bend County.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            ZOMG. I am in love with that woman. Laugh a day. She has incredible backup by committed Dems too. And there is a poster there who is a real wit = PoliteKoolMarxist.

          • JamieHaman

            Never heard of her till now. Going to look, as I can always use a good laugh, especially about Texas politics.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are going to love her. She is funny. She is smart. I steal her graphics all the time.

          • JamieHaman

            Forgot and posted my earlier thanks with a dot com, Juanita Jean’s in fact. This is sooooo funny, I am so glad you told me about this! And it comes with more links. Thank you!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I know you are going to enjoy. I am starting to love Texas.

          • goatini

            Every pregnancy has inherent risks up to and including death of the pregnant woman. Every pregnancy does permanent, irreversible damage to the body.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            ‘You still refuse to acknowledge that between viability and birth, you don’t have a damn thing to say about carrying the kid,”
            ……………….
            If it will kill me, it will get cut up inside me at any point. My life is more important. I am upheld in that by my scripture.

      • lady_black

        Gosnell is a murderer and drug pusher. That’s why he’s in prison. Criminals don’t pay any attention to laws, as evidenced by the fact that what Gosnell was doing was already against the law. Now here you come, waving your big, dumb paw and insisting that passing more laws will stop criminals like Gosnell. Isn’t that magical thinking?

        • Jibber Jabber Joe

          You’re quite confused. Are you saying we should not pass laws because people will not obey them anyway? If that’s the case, then what Gosnell did would not be illegal because there would be no law against it. The point is that laws were passed to ensure safety and proper facilities, but the death traders seem to prefer a more Gosnellesque approach.

          • lady_black

            No. Is there something wrong with your powers of comprehension? I said that the existing laws were adequate to deal with quacks like Gosnell. He IS going to be in prison for the rest of his life, right? There is no reason to pass laws to make safe a procedure that is already far safer than giving birth, and even safer than having your wisdom teeth extracted. The Gosnells of the world will pay as much attention to the new laws as they did the old ones. What is more likely to stop those like Gosnell is to ensure access to safe, legal pregnancy termination for all. Only the extremely desperate will submit themselves to the ministrations of a quack. Adding to the numbers of the desperate is not a good game plan.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            The problem was your power of expression, but you straightened out what you meant to say and I understand your point.

          • lady_black

            I would bet a thousand dollars that the only one who didn’t understand my first comment was you. Most people on this forum possess the ability to comprehend plain English without having it spoon-fed to them.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Let’s see if they take snap cards at the betting counter.

          • lady_black

            Your SNAP card will not support betting.

          • Arekushieru

            Nope, I understood EXACTLY what she was saying. And at the first try, too. And I’M the one who has difficulty interpreting non-verbal language? O_O

        • Julie Watkins

          Women’s clinics should be reintegrated back into general OG-Gyn and general practice. If Gosnell was in a hospital he would have been caught sooner. It should be medical standards not laws.

          • lady_black

            We can’t just go doing everything in hospitals. Hospitals are for sick people. Relatively healthy people go to clinics and surgery centers. I wouldn’t want to be hospitalized and exposed to all those microbes. Even hospitals in my area have switched from surgical floors to day surgery units for most surgeries. Hospitalizing abortion is 1) expensive, and 2) unnecessary. Also, clinics serve a vital function in rural areas where there are no hospitals.

          • Julie Watkins

            … that’s a point. OtOH, I keep thinking that Gosnell would have been caught sooner if his “clinic” had been integrated into a hospital system, with more interaction and oversight from other doctors. When I go for my checkups, I go to a “clinic” — it’s in the same town as the hospital, but miles away. It has doctor offices and a place for “labs” (blood draws & Xrays, etc). Whatever medical system is in rural areas for abortion and birth control should be the same place in rural areas for OB-Gyn.

          • lady_black

            Gosnell would have been caught sooner if the complaints against him were taken seriously. Apparently in PA, who might be getting high is a big deal. Women’s health, not so much.

          • Julie Watkins

            Well, true. But that was police, not other doctors. I think police departments get federal often get special money for drug arrests, which is the silly War on (Some) Drugs agenda.

  • P. McCoy

    Men who put the blame for unplanned pregnancies solely on women and not take in men’s promiscuous natures are women haters and tools of the malevolent patriarchy. Keep your Johnsons in your pants and you won’t have to worry about pregnancy.