Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant: ‘My Goal Is to End Abortion in Mississippi’


As Mississippi state legislators introduced several extreme anti-choice bills last week, Gov. Phil Bryant (R) declared that his goal is to “end abortion” in the state.

In his “state of the state” speech, Bryant said, “On this unfortunate anniversary of Roe v. Wade, my goal is to end abortion in Mississippi.”

The state could see an end to safe abortion access if Mississippi’s last abortion clinic, the Jackson Women’s Health Organization, were to close. The clinic is still locked in a court battle over a 2012 law requiring the clinic’s physicians to have admitting privileges at a local hospital. The clinic was unable to comply with the new law when all area hospitals rejected its applications, but it remains open while the courts consider the constitutionality of the law.

Bryant also said last year that his goal was to shut down the state’s last clinic, and Rep. Sam Mims (R-McComb), who sponsored the admitting privileges bill, told Politico that the intent of the legislation was to lead to fewer abortions being performed in the state. Pro-choice advocates argue that public statements like these about the law’s intent should hurt the law’s chances in court.

Meanwhile, Mississippi legislators introduced several bills that would severely restrict women’s access to safe abortion care even if the last clinic wins its appeals.

A house bill sponsored by Rep. Andy Gipson (R-Braxton) would ban abortion after 20 weeks, as would a senate bill sponsored by Sen. Phillip Gandy (R-Waynesboro). A senate bill sponsored by Sen. Joey Fillingane (R-Sumrall) would ban abortion after 12 weeks or if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

Bans on abortion at 20 weeks or earlier are considered a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade. Federal courts have blocked such bans in Arizona and North Dakota, but that hasn’t stopped state or federal lawmakers from trying: So far this year, 20-week bans have been proposed in Kentucky and Maryland, and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) introduced one in the U.S. Senate in November.

Also introduced in Mississippi is a ban on race- and sex-selective abortions, sponsored by Sen. Chris McDaniel (R-Ellisville). Reproductive rights advocates have pointed out that such bans can lead to racial profiling, and are a problem in search of a solution.

Similar bills focused on sex-selective abortions have been proposed this year in Virginia and West Virginia, and failed to pass last year in Wisconsin; one passed in North Carolina.

Correction: A version of this article noted that jury selection for the lawsuit will begin on March 3. In fact, a trial date has not yet been set. We regret the error.

It also stated that a sex-selective abortion ban failed to pass in North Carolina last year, but it did in fact pass.

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  • Tom Was Saying

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    • Jennifer Starr

      Reported for being both off-topic spam and racist.

      • P. McCoy

        Thanks for reporting.

  • fiona64

    Congratulations, Gov. Bryant; you’ve now ensured that your state will continue having more children born into poverty than any other in this Union. As always, women of privilege will travel to get their needed health care, while the rest of the women suffer. Way to go!

    You jerk.

    • five_by_five

      Maybe poor people should behave a little more responsibly before placing themselves at risk of getting pregnant. I know…life is hard.

      • Defamate

        Indeed. And punishing the children for this by condemning them to a life of poverty will teach *everyone* a lesson!

        • five_by_five

          Why would they be condemned to poverty? I’m sure your donations will keep them from being destitute.

          Oh, you want OTHER people to pay for it. Got it

          • Defamate

            Well I guess they could always throw the kids out to live on the street. Or sell them into prostitution. All of which happen btw, most frequently in the developing world, however.

          • five_by_five

            Or they could, like, use a condom in the first place. But that would be too difficult for sure.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Or you could realize that all contraception can fail, up to and including sterilization.

          • five_by_five

            Interesting fact: 46% of all women receiving an abortion were using ZERO birth control when they got pregnant.

            And of the remaining 54%, the majority of them were using it incorrectly.

            Oops.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And again, having an abortion is taking responsibility.

          • five_by_five

            If you think abortion is more responsible than using a condom.

            But any person with a brain would know that using contraception is easier, costs less, and is less traumatic than getting an abortion.

            But, hey, if you want to push abortions as a viable responsible alternative to properly using contraception then go right ahead. That seems like a great plan.

          • L-dan

            I don’t see that at all. Education about, and access to contraception is very important. However, you’re looking at a state that’s got a rather poor track record in that regard to begin with.

            They’re also talking about running all abortion out of state. How is it responsible to remove that option? Even correctly used condoms fail after all. Those in abusive or coercive situations often don’t have much choice regarding contraceptive use. So they should be SOL because?

          • five_by_five

            How hard is it for a parent to explain to their kids about using contraception? It’s not. Blaming the state is a cop out for bad parenting.

            But I guess you’re a bad parent so you thought the state should handle your child’s sex-ed.

          • Defamate

            So you want the kids to be punished because their parents are not good at the whole parenting thing?

          • five_by_five

            I’m sorry they don’t require an IQ test to allow people to procreate. Ever see the movie “Idiocracy?”

            Yeah, that’s the type of people you’re supporting. Dumb and horny.

          • Defamate

            So this is your ‘solution?’ For reals? Are you really this dumb or just pretending? Give us a solution that will work in the real world.

          • L-dan

            Yeah, somehow I’m thinking that this:

            –I expect people that I have already described as dumb should be responsible for teaching their kids the ins and outs of contraception and reproductive health.
            –I also expect those kids, whether or not they’ve actually gotten such information, to be ‘responsible’ and not create unwanted pregnancies.
            –But if they’re irresponsible, or simply too ignorant to be responsible in the fashion I require, they shouldn’t have the option for abortion. Instead, they should raise those children…
            –and be responsible, as described above, for educating them about contraception
            –repeat cycle

            isn’t going to actually reduce unwanted pregnancies at all.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So you’re really just upset about the sex instead of ‘life’ and ‘baybeez’.

          • five_by_five

            I’m upset about your cavalier attitude towards properly using birth control.

          • Jennifer Starr

            What cavalier attitude?

          • HeilMary1

            But you antis oppose birth control! I know, because my anti-birth control mom burned all my skin off as her permanent abstinence excuse.

          • fiona64


            I’m sorry they don’t require an IQ test to allow people to procreate.

            Sometimes I am, too. Like right now. Why? Because then your parents would not have been allowed to create the teenaged ignoramus who thinks he knows more than adults.

          • Ella Warnock

            “I’m sorry they don’t require an IQ test to allow people to procreate.”

            Oh, you and me both.

          • expect_resistance

            You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on reality.

          • HeilMary1

            “Idiocracy” is about YOU?!

          • Jennifer Starr

            I think sex-ed should be handled in schools, yes. It’s better than the abstinence only crap they push, which is full of disinformation and outright lies.

          • five_by_five

            Why? Because the lazy parents can’t do it?

            I sure hope you’re teaching your kids about the birds and the bees or maybe it will be your 15 year daughter who ends up pregnant and destined to live a life of poverty.

          • Defamate

            You need to tell us what your solution is. Well?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Sue me, I think that actual trained teachers and medical professionals who know their stuff are better at teaching kids sex-ed than your average parent. Wow, imagine that–qualified people being better equipped to teach something? Who would’ve thought it? And if religious nutjob parents who want to preserve their kids ignorance and just tell them to stay pure, they can opt out.

          • L-dan

            No kids here, nor any intention of them. But really? Kids should be screwed because of bad parenting?

            Should the schools stop with health classes altogether? Your parents should be teaching you how to avoid catching communicable diseases (including STI’s, of course)!

            Why stop there? Expect all parents to be expert educators and you can wash your hands of it all.

            Or maybe, as a society, we figure it’s better if everyone has at least a minimum set of tools to work with, regardless of how knowledgable or skilled their parents are.

            Again, how does this address the inequity of moving all abortion services out of state?

          • redlemon

            So if parents don’t teach their child or teen about sex and their teen gets pregnant, it’s the stupid teen’s fault for not being taught in the first place?

          • HeilMary1

            I’ll bet all your “religious” teen relatives have secret abortions and STDs.

          • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

            In a perfect world teachers wouldn’t have to teach sex education but it’s not a perfect world. Some parents push abstinence only, some don’t say anything and some are “teaching” their child by abusing them.

          • expect_resistance

            More bull. Look at how the Christian conservatives are trying to outlaw sex education. Why don’t you have this conversation with them?

          • HeilMary1

            My Catholic sex-hating abusive mom told me ZERO about sex and contraception. She and my abusive older sister told me ZERO about periods. I’m lucky that I didn’t have a scary first period in the gym shower like Stephen King’s Carrie White.

          • five_by_five

            Yeah, it’s a good thing books don’t exist.

          • Jennifer Starr

            It’s not a question of ‘more responsible’. I don’t have a problem with contraception. In fact, I think it’s a good thing. Plenty of ‘pro-lifers’ do,however. In fact, most on the ‘pro-life’ side discourage both contraception and comprehensive sex-ed. And again, it still fails from time to time. But don’t let that tarnish your little simplistic privileged bubble.

          • expect_resistance

            Who the hell would use abortion as birth control. That’s dumb and not happening. Quit pushing your lies.

          • five_by_five

            You realize that almost half of the people receiving abortions were using ZERO birth control, right?

          • expect_resistance

            Birth control is something you use on a regular basis if you are sexually active. Having multiple abortions as an actual form of birth control is not sustainable, affordable, or realistic. Accusing women of using abortion as birth control is pure fantasy.

          • five_by_five

            Let me put it this way…if you engage in sex without using birth control and don’t want to get pregnant, then, yes, you are using abortion as birth control.

            And almost half of the people getting abortions in this country are engaging in precisely that type of behavior.

          • L-dan

            Firstly, that percentage includes:

            -people who were trying to get pregnant, got pregnant, and ended up with abortions mostly due to maternal or fetal health issues
            -rapes, because rapists are kind of unlikely to take the time to pull out a condom
            -people without the agency to negotiate contraception due to abuse
            -people having sex under the influence of drugs or alcohol
            -people not on birth control because they’re not sexually active and then…well, things happened.
            -people who took in that abstinence education, didn’t plan to have contraception because they weren’t going to have sex and were taught that contraception doesn’t work anyway, and then they did have sex

            all of which do not indicate situations where people are habitually having sex without any birth control.

            Secondly,
            Yep abortion *is* birth control. It keeps one from carrying a conception to birth. It is not contraception.

            Very few people are using abortion as their regular method of birth control. If they were, lots of them would be having one or more every year. Instead, in 2010 (CDC report) 55% of those getting abortions have never had one before, and less than 9% had more than 2 previously. When you consider how many years most women are fertile and sexually active, that number is far too low for any significant number of them to be relying on abortion as their primary method of birth control.

          • expect_resistance

            You still don’t get it.

          • HeilMary1

            Everyone knows you fetal idolaters are also trying to re-criminalize all contraception and sterilizations. Oops.

          • fiona64

            Interesting fact: that 46 percent includes women who were trying to conceive and whose wanted pregnancies went wrong.

            Oops.

          • expect_resistance

            Source?

          • five_by_five

            Guttmacher’s “Induced Abortion in the United States 2013″

          • expect_resistance

            Data used out of context is misleading.

            From Guttmacher’s “Contraceptive Use Among U.S. Women Having Abortions in 2000-2001″

            CONTEXT: Knowing the extent to which contraceptive nonuse, incorrect or inconsistent use, and method failure account for unintended pregnancies ending in abortion, as well as reasons for nonuse and imperfect use, can help policymakers and family planning providers support effective contraceptive use.

            METHODS: Contraceptive use patterns among a nationally representative sample of 10,683 women receiving abortion services in 2000-2001 were examined, as well as reasons for nonuse, problems with the most frequently used methods and the impact emergency contraceptive pills have had on abortion rates.

            RESULTS: Forty-six percent of women had not used a contraceptive method in the month they conceived, mainly because of perceived low risk of pregnancy and concerns about contraception (cited by 33% and 32% of nonusers, respectively). The male condom was the most commonly reported method among all women (28%), followed by the pill (14%). Inconsistent method use was the main cause of pregnancy for 49% of condom users and 76% of pill users; 42% of condom users cited condom breakage or slippage as a reason for pregnancy. Substantial proportions of pill and condom users indicated perfect method use (13-14%). As many as 51,000 abortions were averted by use of emergency contraceptive pills in 2000.

            CONCLUSIONS: Women and men need accurate information about fertility cycles and about the risk of pregnancy when a contraceptive is not used or is used imperfectly. Increased use of emergency contraceptive pills could further reduce levels of unintended pregnancy and abortion.

            Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2002, 34(6):294-303

          • RNfromNY

            You don’t know that 54% were using it incorrectly. The estrogen/progesterone pill has a 1% failure rate, other pills (mini-pill aka progesterone-only) have about a 3% failure rate, condoms and so on have higher failure rates.
            Where did you get your medical degree? Your nursing degree? Do you have any formal education in healthcare? How did you become such an expert? Don’t answer that, that’s what we call a rhetorical question.

          • Defamate

            So, what solutions do you have to end the scourge of poor people having the sex?

          • fiona64

            And you could, like, be aware that condoms have a 25 percent failure rate. But that would be too difficult for sure.

          • HeilMary1

            But you’re OK with Bristol Palin not using condoms because she and her grifter shotgun wedding mom are GOP “abstinence-is-for-the poor” bullies and reality show stars.

          • expect_resistance

            No one is asking you to personally pay for anything.

          • fiona64

            Plus, it’s hard to pay for extras when your income is an allowance from Mummy and Daddy. Why worry about the poor? After all, that would take away from one’s ability to go out for pizza with the gang.

          • HeilMary1

            You want them to starve to death to pay for their MARRIED parents’ sin of having sex while poor.

      • L-dan

        First: Good luck with that ‘only the financially secure should have sex’ campaign.

        Second…wtf? Would you say that poor people should behave more responsibly and make sure to get really fuel efficient cars if the state were making laws such that you had to head out of state to say, buy gas? “What are they complaining about, gas is still available, you just have to plan carefully and be responsible about your driving.” The fact that this creates a slight inconvenience for the wealthy (who will have the money to say, buy more gas cans to store extra, or even have their own tanks installed at home) while putting it out of reach of many of the poor (can they save up enough to get out of state and get more gas, before their current tank runs too low to make the trip?), strikes me as pretty unfair.

        Poor people should behave ‘more responsibly’. But the well-off can behave however they like? So you’re cool with laws that are designed to punish the poor for behavior everyone is engaging in?

        • five_by_five

          Dumb people make dumb decisions that will keep them in poverty. That is nothing new.

          Ever watched the show “Pregnant and 16″?

          • L-dan

            Doesn’t remotely answer the question. Rich and poor alike get abortions. Why is putting it out of reach of the poor a sensible policy choice? How is it not basically punishing the poor for being poor?

            Dumb is pretty equally distributed among social classes. Those who aren’t poor simply have an easier time recovering from or getting out of the results of their dumb decisions. So are you saying the poor are (and should be) screwed unless they’re actually able to be quite a bit smarter than their well-off counterparts? And that’s just looking at dealing with consequences without looking into the many inequities leading into said consequences…like access to decent education to make smarter choices in the first place.

            I mean, we’re not even talking here about public funding for abortions. We’re talking about running all the places that provide abortions out of the state so they’re not even accessible without the means to spend a good deal more than the actual cost of the abortion.

            This is a stupid and cruel goal to have.

          • Jennifer Starr

            In my day, MTV used to play actual music videos, when there was actually good music, but I digress. Even if I had cable at the moment I wouldn’t waste my time of reality show crap.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah, because rich people never get into trouble, never take drugs, drive drunk or get arrested. Oh wait…..

            And yes, sweetie. Rich people have abortions too. Money does not confer morality.

          • L-dan

            They just get the charges waved away with good lawyers or a diagnosis of ‘affluenza’.

            Poor people are supposed to take their rotting lemons and make lemonade. Then they’re not supposed to whine when they get food poisoning from the rotten lemons they had to work with in the first place.

            Rich people are supposed to do whatever they want, and wave off the consequences. They can try out rotten lemonade on a lark…and expect all the pity for their stomachache and all the care the local hospital can provide.

          • colleen2

            No. Perhaps you should stop. You seem to be confusing ‘reality’ tv with real life.

          • five_by_five

            You’re right….because 16 year old never get pregnant. What was I thinking?

          • Jennifer Starr

            And the entire point just went right over your head…

          • colleen2

            YOu are welcome to believe that Reality TV accurately reflects life. I find the stupidity of Republicans amusing.

          • HeilMary1

            Married opera singer Amy Herbst waited until age 33 for her first child, but waiting didn’t prevent her episiotomy from causing her permanent embarrassing incontinence and flatulence. And if she were living in Africa, she’d be dead from the infections.

          • Ramanusia

            Well, in Mississippi, dumb people keep making the dumb decision to vote for Republicans, which in turn keeps them in poverty and threatens their health and their lives.

          • HeilMary1

            Ever hear of the GOP’s first wives club? — those women were all cheated on and traded in for their pregnancy disfigurements.

      • Jennifer Starr

        Very simplistic and black and white–and not actually the real world at all.

      • fiona64

        Maybe dumbasses should check their privilege at the door. I know … life is hard.

        • five_by_five

          It takes privilege to put on a condom? use some spermicide? take a birth control pill?

          • Defamate

            And if they don’t? Still waiting for your real world solution here…

          • five_by_five

            And if they don’t then they deal with the consequences of their actions – just like the rest of life.

            Abortion is not an appropriate alternative to birth control. It should be for EMERGENCIES – not treating chronically stupid and irresponsible behavior.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So you see pregnancy as a punishment for sex you don’t approve of.

          • five_by_five

            Did you not know that pregnancy was a possibility when you had sex?

            Are you willing to admit that you are that stupid? Or did you just not care?

          • Defamate

            So punish the children? You think that is moral?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Again, kid– since you seem to be a little slow, I’ve never gotten pregnant. So you can stop with the assumptions.

          • fiona64

            This is obviously one of those anti-choice idiots who presume that all pro-choice people terminate each and every pregnancy.

            One day, this idiot will get out of high school … and get smacked right upside the head by a steep, real-world learning curve.

          • L-dan

            Why yes I did. Just like I know there’s a chance I’ll get hit by a car when I ride my bike to the store.

            I also knew that both bearing a child and getting an abortion are rather unpleasant. Sort of like going through any choice of treatment (or none at all) would be unpleasant if hit by a car.

            I assessed the risks, as I do when I head to the store, and lived my life (not that it’s any of your business how I live my life).

            In the vast majority of cases, I’ve remained unpregnant. So far, I’ve never been hit on my bike either.

            In one instance, I became pregnant, looked at my choices, and chose abortion.

            Where’s the stupid part again?

          • five_by_five

            The stupid part was you not using extra contraception after missing a day of the pill.

          • L-dan

            Not even close. As mentioned above, didn’t even realize it had been missed. On vacation, out of normal routines, and it’s not like you count the damn things every day to make sure.

          • RNfromNY

            I’m surprised no one pointed out that sperm can live in the female body for 5-7 days. Therefore, if a woman misses a pill and ovulates right away, the sperm is there waiting. So using extra contraception after a missed pill is a good idea, but not a sure bet.
            So what is your argument now? She should have known in advance she’d forget the pill? How dare she forget? Accidents happen. I’ve forgotten pills. No one is perfect.

          • L-dan

            good point.

          • HeilMary1

            I’ve taken missed pills with the remembered pills. But missing pills is more of a problem with the lower dosage pills.

          • HeilMary1

            BC pill insert instructions tell you to take the missed pill with the remembered pill, and that usually prevents any unwanted pregnancies. Not all women know about antibiotic interference and stomach virus vomiting affecting the pill’s efficacy.

          • Defamate

            So your ‘real world solution’ is to let innocent children suffer for their parent’s mistakes? Pro- tip: that is not a solution.

          • L-dan

            And you are welcome to treat it that way.

            For myself, the one pill missed at just the wrong time resulted in my one and only pregnancy, and an abortion as fast as I could schedule it.

            I dealt with the consequences of my single missed pill. I had an abortion. It’s a perfectly responsible choice.

            Nor do I feel anyone should really be sitting at clinics interrogating people to see if they were ‘stupid and irresponsible’ or if this is one of those abortions that are ‘ok’. Because that’s what your judgmental attitude requires…policing people who want abortions to see if they fall into the ‘acceptable’ category. Dude…I have enough work to do without thinking that I need to spend a single second on that job. The fact that so many people seem to have the time and energy to be policing those choices tells me that they really need some more interesting hobbies.

          • five_by_five

            Did you not know that missing a pill placed you at risk for contraception failure? And yet you still decided to have sex (without a condom) because?

            I know….because you’re not too bright. I mean, why else would you risk it if you missed a day of the pill? Seriously dumb move that probably cost you a bunch of money and time. And now you have a “A” notch on your belt which puts you at risk for certain conditions.

          • L-dan

            More like…didn’t realize I’d missed it until weeks later, dur.

            And no, I’m actually rather bright. I’ll hold my IQ, grades, and degrees up to your obviously limited view of the world any day.

            Pray tell what conditions am I at risk for? All the research I’ve found indicates precisely zero greater risk vs. a normal miscarriage. That’s because it’s very similar to one.

          • five_by_five

            Then you haven’t done much research. Ever heard of Asherman’s syndrome? Oh, that’s right…it must be part of that “precisely zero” stat you found.

            Get back to me when you’re better informed.

          • Defamate

            Oh god you’re dumb. Prepare to be owned.

          • expect_resistance

            This one’s too easy.

          • Defamate

            Yes. L-dan explained.

          • L-dan

            Err…you realize that syndrome is only a factor if you’ve had a D&C first of all. A medical abortion will pose no risk of this whatsever (that’s the type where you take a pair of drugs and expel the fetus with no dilation or instruments involved).

            Also, D&C is the standard way of clearing out an incomplete ‘natural’ miscarriage and occasionally for dealing with complications after delivery. So it’s a risk factor in regular miscarriage and delivery as well. Thus, not a higher risk.

          • five_by_five

            Oh, so your answer to a condition is most certainly higher risk for anyone who goes through an abortion procedure is “uhhh…well, it like a risk for other things too so…..it doesn’t count.”

            Ha, nice. Bottom line is that you placed yourself at risk for it because you forgot to take you birth control pills. And the only person responsible for that is you.

          • L-dan

            No. I pointed out that I was actually at no higher risk due to not having a D&C.

            However, assuming that medical abortion hadn’t been a choice:

            once pregnant, my choices were:
            –Abortion–possible D&C thus possible risk
            –continue and perhaps miscarry–possible D&C thus possible risk,
            –continue and give birth–possible D&C to clear anything left after delivery, which would be a D&C and a possible risk.

            Missing a pill placed me at risk of this no matter what, in that case. Additionally, I’d be at risk of much worse had I chosen to continue the pregnancy.

            However, you implied that the abortion, not the pregnancy, put me at greater risk, which it did not.

            When you reach the end of your life, having perfectly performed everything expected of you and making all the right choice, then I might grant that you have a leg to stand upon in mocking someone for any given mistake. If you live your life without any risks at all…well, I’m curious how you manage that.

          • HeilMary1

            You oppose BC pills, anyway, and just want to keep sex deadly and disfiguring for us sl*ts.

          • five_by_five

            Really, when have I opposed birth control pills?

            Please quote me on that.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You’re not informed. You just looked it up on the internet and read a brief synopsis and suddenly you’re little miss expert.

          • L-dan

            Well yeah, or they’d realize it’s actually the result of a procedure used for all sorts of non-abortion purposes.

            Statistics on it aren’t actually all that great at the moment since awareness of the symptoms is still percolating through the system. As such, it’s hard to find good ones that show whether one is at any greater risk for this in abortion or miscarriage, particularly in recent years with the rapid growth in the use of medical abortions.

            My feeling is that, with that increase, the percentage of abortions requiring D&C/D&E is going to get closer to the percentage of miscarriages that require it. Which would put your risks about even there. The percentage is reasonably low in any case.

            Additionally, comparing the symptoms of this with the potential effects of pregnancy? I’d still take my chances with an abortion.

          • five_by_five

            You’re right, I’m not an expert. I’m not an OBGYN. But at least I fucking knew that abortion procedures have risks involved.

          • L-dan

            Again, what risks does abortion have that natural miscarriage does not? You haven’t offered any.

          • five_by_five

            This isn’t about the risk between induced abortion vs spontaneous abortion. It’s about your choice to have a medical procedure that places you at higher risk for medical complications than not having the procedure.

          • L-dan

            Given that the choice, once pregnant, is between abortion and pregnancy, what, precisely, would you choose to have the lowest possible risk of medical complications?

            Even dropping the abortion vs. miscarriage requirement, you still haven’t offered something that my choice of abortion vs. pregnancy put me at higher risk of.

            edit: particularly given that miscarriage *is* one potential outcome of pregnancy.

          • Defamate

            She still hasn’t offered a solution for the problem of the poor having teh sex.

          • L-dan

            I don’t expect her (him? not really sure there) to. In that world, poor people don’t get to have nice things, because they’re poor. Nevermind that sex is rather cheap recreation, even factoring contraception in.

            No, they’re not supposed to ‘have children they can’t afford to raise.’

            Now, how are they supposed to avoid having these children?

            Well, if they’re not lucky enough to have parents capable of explaining it to them, they’re just not supposed to have sex.

            If they were lucky enough to have it explained, or to catch decent information in school (where it’s entirely possible to miss that entirely if you change schools a lot), you’re to make sure you’re contraceptively covered at all times. If you can’t afford contraception? See no sex above.

            If lucky enough to have both education and access, but whoops, the contraception failed? Well you’re supposed to suck it up, have the kid, and expect rightfully indignant judgement for failing to adhere to the dictum about not having children you can’t afford above. Because really? knowing that failure is possible, you really just shouldn’t have sex unless you have enough money to raise a kid.

            And somehow, this all seems totally logical to them. The idea that, if you’re poor, sex is something you probably shouldn’t do at all.

          • fiona64

            I’m 99 percent sure it’s a teenage boy.

          • expect_resistance

            I thought it was a teenage boy too.

          • Defamate

            I met her on another forum a couple if weeks ago. When losing a debate she likes to accuse her opponent of wanting to perform 30 week abortions on DS prenates.

          • L-dan

            So far here when losing, she likes to ignore the goalposts, move them, ignore the question, and call other people stupid while exposing her own ignorance. There’s a fair bit of breadth to her inadequate internet debating skills.

          • Defamate
          • fiona64

            And it’s gone down that road here now. (I am using “it” because I realize there is a [minute] chance that I’m wrong and 5×5 actually is female …)

          • Defamate

            It claims to be a she.. But who knows

          • Ella Warnock

            I’ve had a few medical procedures that place me at higher risk for any number of things. Of course, the alternative was to not have the procedure and run the risk of the complications of NOT having the procedure. It’s mostly a crap shoot, and not something to worry overly much about as far as the big picture goes.

          • HeilMary1

            Boy are you STUPID! Google obstetric incontinence to get a tiny clue.

          • five_by_five

            Hey, way to keep up. This was about the above poster claiming that abortion “indicates precisely zero greater risk vs. a normal miscarriage”

            But whatever….reading and context are hard to understand.

          • L-dan

            Given that you’ve yet to point out anything that one is at greater risk for when getting an abortion vs. a miscarriage, tried to tell me as was at risk for a condition that I was not remotely at risk for, and seem happy to take conversations on tangents when it suits you, you really have no room to complain here.

            As it is, I’d say that mentioning the risks of pregnancy is a valid direction to take the topic. After all, if one doesn’t have an abortion, they’re going to face the risks of pregnancy and delivery…might be worth weighing those risks, no? Not doing so would be stupid, and you’ve made clear your opinion regarding stupidity.

          • fiona64

            I guess you didn’t bother to read the article that showed that abortion is actually safer than gestation (not that I’m surprised). Pregnancy is NOT a state of wellness, little boy.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Sweetie, getting your wisdom teeth pulled has risks. There isn’t a single medical procedure that doesn’t carry risk.

          • Defamate

            Abortion is 14x safer than pregnancy.

          • fiona64

            If you were so smart, you’d know that abortion is 14 times safer than gestation. http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/womens-health/articles/2012/01/23/abortion-safer-for-women-than-childbirth-study-claims

            I used to be an anti-choice ignoramus just like you. Then I got out of high school.

            In all seriousness, I discovered that life is not as black-and-white as I thought. I was almost killed by my pregnancy 28 years ago, and I have a 21-year-old tubal ligation now. If that tubal ligation fails (and it could), I will have an abortion so fast that your stupid head will spin right off. I will NOT risk my life for an unwanted pregnancy. Period.

          • five_by_five

            Abortion carries 100% fatality for one of the individuals involved.

          • fiona64

            An embryo is not an individual. It is literally part of the female host. Ask your mummy or daddy to explain the umbilicus to you.

          • five_by_five

            Unique DNA, unique heartbeat, unique brain activity….

          • Defamate

            So? Lots of things are you unique.

          • five_by_five

            Did you call your baby a “thing” when you were pregnant?

            Like, hey everybody, let’s have a “thing” shower. Hey, what color clothes do you want the “thing” to wear?

          • Jennifer Starr

            And what does that have to do with anything?

          • Defamate

            People refer to their cell phones and their cats as ‘babies’

            Appeal to emotion = fail

            And for every woman who projects onto that embryo and thinks it’s a baby and cries when it miscarries, there is one who doesn’t shed a tear because she knows what it is. A proto-human under construction – nothing more.

          • expect_resistance

            No kidding. Epic fail for 5×5.

            I love what you said, “A proto-human under construction – nothing more.

            As an aside – I call my female cat “baby girl” cuz she is one of the cutest calico cats ever.

          • expect_resistance

            You can call anything “baby” doesn’t mean it’s a “baby.” I call my hubby baby or babe all the time.

          • L-dan

            You know the shower is for the actual baby that’s going to arrive in the near future, right? Nobody is buying clothing or bottles for the use of the not-yet-born fetus. It’s an anticipatory event.

            Kind of like bridal showers are celebrating the future wedding and bride to be. I mean, she’s still officially a fiance until the wedding.

          • HeilMary1

            And brides and grooms get cold feet and cancel out, kind of like fetuses that get coffee-flushed.

          • Mandy

            This is actually a really simple, good explanation. I think I’ll save it for future arguments when the anti-choicers bust out whining about “why don’t we call them fetus showers?”

          • HeilMary1

            Do you have priests say last rites for all your “baby” tampons and hold monthly funerals. You ought to suggest Mattel add tampon funerals to Barbie’s accessories.

          • HeilMary1

            So identical twins have half souls and God is an evil, unlicensed cloner?

          • fiona64

            Tumors have unique DNA, cardiac cells will beat in a petri dish, and an embryo doesn’t have a brain (it has a brain stem).

            You’re a funny little boy.

          • goatini

            There is only ONE patient, ONE person, ONE citizen in a safe, legal pregnancy termination – the living, breathing, born WOMAN.

          • L-dan

            pfft. Are the millions of zygotes that never manage to implant individuals to mourn?

            Anything that needs to hook itself into someone else’s circulatory system for survival is rather arguably ‘individual’.

            That whole “Unique DNA, unique heartbeat, unique brain activity”…kind of requires an actual heart and brain. A couple of tubes with neural cells and heart cells firing off do not a brain or heart make.

            Why is abortion different from miscarriage? Simply because of the difference in intent though the effect is the same?

          • HeilMary1

            Then you better arrest YOURSELF and all your female fetal idolaters for inducing your OWN abortions just by chugging coffee and holy wine at Mass, dumbass.

          • five_by_five

            Aww…that’s cute that you think I’m a Christian.

          • Ella Warnock

            All medical procedures have risks. Leaving the house every day has risks. All a part of life, I’m afraid.

          • expect_resistance

            Having an abortion is a lot less risky than carrying a pregnancy to term. I suggest you quit playing doctor.

          • HeilMary1

            Whoop-dee-doo! Ever hear of obstetric fistula incontinence, Sheehan’s syndrome (postpartum overnight baldness and menopause), molar pregnancies, scleraderma caused by male fetus microchimerism, and $5 million c-section flesh eating bacteria infections to name a few complications?

            Google Amy Herbst and tell us you want to end up just like her! Go ahead! I dare you!

          • Defamate

            That is rich. Coming from the person who *still* refuses to share with us her solution to end the cycle of unwanted pregnancies that plague the poor.

            So tell us your solution.

          • Jennifer Starr

            She thinks that everyone should have a rich mommy and daddy like she has and then the world would be perfect. That’s her solution.

          • fiona64

            And now you have a “A” notch on your belt which puts you at risk for certain conditions.

            No more so than any other pregnancy … which you would know if you were an adult.

          • Ramanusia

            Wow, you’re not too bright yourself, are you?

            You have no idea how the pill works, how condoms work, or how pregnancy happens even when one uses both perfectly huh? Seriously dumb move on your part, which will of course leave you to exercise your choice when you or your partner/loved one is pregnant against your/her will, and then off to the nearest clinic with you to have your “moral” abortion.

            Abortion doesn’t put anyone at any risk for “certain conditions” unless those are the “conditions” that the domestic terrorists known as the anti-choice movements have planned.

            If you’re not going to be responsible enough to educate yourself before you start spewing lies fed to you by people who realize you’re too lazy and not terribly bright, you deserve to be called out for your stupidity.

            Go learn something, I’m embarrassed for you.

          • five_by_five

            At least I know that if I skip a day of taking the pill, the chances of contraception failure increase dramatically.

            Did you not know that?

          • expect_resistance

            Also if you are on the pill and take an antibiotics (orally) you need to use a back up method. Any other questions about birth control methods?

          • five_by_five

            Wait, so in my above comment I stated that missing a day of birth control pills places people at risk for contraception failure.

            To that, you replied “You have no idea how the pill works.”

            So, what is it? Did you get confused?

          • expect_resistance

            I think you’re confused. I added that birth control pills can fail if you take antibiotics. Duh.

          • Ramanusia

            Did you actually know that? Hmm, how about this, if you take your pill a few hours late, your chances of contraception failure increase dramatically as well.

            The same is true if you’re taking antibiotics, a variety of other drugs, if you get food poisoning, get the flue, etc. etc.

            I’m guessing you didn’t know that.

            I have no clue why you think projecting your profound ignorance on someone who clearly is knows more about the issue than you do is a winning strategy here.

            Educate yourself, you are embarrassing yourself, by confirming just how arrogant you are about asinine assumptions.

          • five_by_five

            Yes, I actually knew that. And the person I replied to did not.

            Stop interrupting conversations that have nothing to do with you.

          • Jennifer Starr

            This is a public forum. You don’t get to choose who replies to you.

          • Ramanusia

            No, you didn’t. You replied to me, or did you not know that? You’re not much of a reader and you can’t seem to handle having your illiteracy or your ignorance exposed.

            I”m embarrassed for you, you’re a truly pitiable fool.

          • five_by_five

            I was replying to L-Dan. You stuck your big nose into a conversation you had nothing to do with just so you could go on some non-sequitur rant about antibiotics. If you didn’t want me to reply you to you, you should have just shut up.

          • Ramanusia

            You replied to me, and apparently your tiny brain doesn’t quite grasp how public message boards work.

            I corrected your profound ignorance and you lost your little mind.

            Take your own advice, I don’t care if you replied to me or not, that is something that seems to bother you. And no I don’t need to shut up, though I understand how that might be more soothing to you since I seem to be proving how stupid your comments are with simple facts.

            If you can’t handle being replied to, don’t reply, if you can’t handle your idiocy being exposed, stay silent and don’t make a point of exhibiting how little you know about everything.

            Put your own big nose back in it’s joint and remove it from your GI tract, you do seem to love sourcing that for so many of your comments.

            You are truly pathetic.

          • colleen2

            It really is impossible to view you as a woman using effective contraception. You argue like a teenage boy with a personality disorder

          • five_by_five

            And which personality disorder would that be?

          • Defamate

            Terminal stupidity and ignorance.

          • five_by_five

            Hey, Delamate, you forgot to logout of your colleen2 account.

          • Defamate

            I kicked your ass over on The Atlantic 3 weeks ago. You left with your tail between your legs because, when unable to formulate a coherent argument (which is par for the course with you), you start talking about abortion in the birth canal.

          • five_by_five

            Yeah, you really “kicked my ass” by replying to my comment about nearly free birth control by writing some non-sequitur about lack of emotional distress caused by abortion (which is complete bullshit if you’ve actually talked to anyone who has ever has an abortion).

            Great job.

          • Defamate

            (which is complete bullshit if you’ve actually talked to anyone who has ever has an abortion).

            More than a few of the women here have had an abortion. Along with a friend of mine on another forum.

            And you know what? Not one of them felt any emotional distress!

            You were saying?

            PS and yes, you left the debate at the Atlantic with your tail between your legs, because you can’t argue your way out of a paper bag.

          • five_by_five

            You thought your non-sequitur was a debate? Cool beans.

            And the people who don’t feel emotional distress over having an abortion are sociopaths.

          • Defamate

            Citation needed

          • expect_resistance

            You shouldn’t be calling anyone here “Stupid” or “Not too bright” until you look in the mirror and do a self check. Most of us here are damn near experts in birth control and sexual health issues. So quit with the person insults because it’s not working in your favor.

          • HeilMary1

            Actually, dumbass, abortions prevent zillions of diseases and injuries, unlike childbirth that causes incontinence, cancer, autoimmune diseases, multiple organ failures and death in millions of women every year.

          • Ramanusia

            Who says it was being used as such? Emergencies like when your contraceptives fail and you end up pregnant?

            Were you anything but chronically stupid or responsible enough to educate yourself on facts, you might have figured out that you know very little on the subject you drone on about endlessly.

          • HeilMary1

            Wish there was a treatment for fascist victim-blamers like you.

          • Mandy

            So your solution is denying people abortions and instead FORCING these quote “chronically stupid and irresponsible” people to go through an unwanted pregnancy, risk their health and then become parents? All against their will.

          • Jennifer Starr

            It’s obvious you live in a bubble and have no idea of the real world. Maybe when you grow up you’ll realize that things aren’t that simple.

          • five_by_five

            I feel bad for the babies that you aborted. They could have been the next Barack Obama.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Or they could’ve been the next Ted Bundy.

          • Defamate

            Yet you have zero sympathy for the ones who will grow up in extreme poverty and most likely repeat the mistakes of their parents in a neverending cycle?

            You are not very bright are you?

          • five_by_five

            And why, if the parents are in extreme poverty, would a responsible parent decide to raise a child in that condition?

            Answer: because they don’t give a shit. And never will. And that pretty much explains why they are poor.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Again, maybe when you grow up, you’ll realize that nothing is that simple.

          • Defamate

            So you want to punish the children? This is your solution?

          • L-dan

            Well, if all the abortion clinics move out of state, it’s not like they have much choice in the matter do they? Or are you of the opinion that poor people should always have the children they conceive *and* always give them up for adoption?

          • five_by_five

            Maybe they should assess the availability of emergency contraception and abortion and use that in their decision when they decide not to use a condom…and make smarter decisions in the future.

          • Defamate

            But you just said that they are too dumb. And you don’t want sex ed taught or social programs available to educate them. So what is you solution? Simply telling dumb people to not be dumb is not exactly a winning strategy.

            You just like to whine, don’t you?

          • expect_resistance

            5×5 sounds like a spoiled brat whiner.

            (You should read the thread at “Conservatives Don’t Want You To Eat Pro-Abortion Girl Scout Cookies. – MotherJones” There are some real wack-job anti-choicers posting. The religious zealot kind. I could stop laughing at some of the stuff they posted.)

          • Defamate

            I’ve been reading it.

          • expect_resistance

            Great. Didn’t want you to miss it. What the deal with Austin Ruse? The sex-phobic trolls are downright amusing.

          • Defamate

            The thread has grown since I last checked. I like the lady who says that embryos scream (for ice cream?)

          • L-dan

            And when the condom fails? When an abusive partner doesn’t take “not without a condom” for an answer?

            Why shouldn’t abortion be available for people? Why is it ok to run this one choice out of the state and make life that much harder for people who don’t have much to begin with?

            Are you of the opinion that they shouldn’t have emergency rooms in their area either, because maybe they’ll make better choices about where to live so they’re less likely to be shot?

          • Jennifer Starr

            What would you know about poverty?

          • five_by_five

            Oh, I didn’t realize you were poor. Kind of hard to tell since you were typing away on your computer with internet. I apologize.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Again, what would you know about anything? You’re still a youngster with Mommy and Daddy paying your way.

          • L-dan

            *blink*

            Poor people don’t type on the internet? This is news to me.

            I mean…you know what a library is right?

          • Jennifer Starr

            Nah, she’s too busy watching reality shows to read a book…

          • L-dan

            Evidently.

            Though these days, I wouldn’t be surprised to run into kids that had never been into a library. Truth be told, I scarcely visit ours these days, and I used to nearly live in libraries. (mostly pre-internet, so it was totally for the books and comfy spots to read)

          • Defamate

            Me too. I used to ride my bike out to the college library and spend 4 hours a day there just reading.

          • L-dan

            My college was within walking distance of the town library…so I had *two* great libraries to hang out in.

            And the book sales at the town library were amazing. I remember trudging back to campus with a box so full I had to set it down and rest my arms a bit every half block or so.

            I still end up spending hours and hours in Powells when I manage to visit Portland these days. A City block covered with 4 floors of books? Yes, please!

            OK, I need to stop before I go impulse fill my Kindle library.

          • L-dan

            Well…a little more.

            Getting back into some classes has led to the discovery of just how many free textbooks and class materials there are online now. I feel like a kid in a candy store and wonder why I didn’t notice this stuff piling up in various corners of the net all these years.

          • fiona64

            I’m pretty sure it’s male …

          • Defamate

            You’re right…

            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/01/27/anti-choicers-drop-life-pretense-increasingly-admit-theyre-angry-sex/#comment-1228525913

            “”3 Missing one period? Maybe. Missing two? or three? or FOUR? These women knew exactly what was going on. And every women knows when her last period was and what our normal cycle is. Don’t play stupid.””

            Homeschooled teenage boy I am betting…

            Lies about gender in a feeble attempt to sound more knowledgeable than it really is.

          • expect_resistance

            Good call.

          • L-dan

            Because women with irregular periods are so rare. Because no birth control pills ever change your periods (anacdata: I was lucky that there were other hints to be suspicious about since I’d been told I might completely stop having periods on that variety of pill). Because anorexia isn’t a thing among the very age group most likely to be the least aware of how this all works, and doesn’t cause amenorrhea.

            Screams young and poorly informed, but either gender is still likely. Plenty of girls are poorly informed too. There’s a lot of “what I experience is universal!” going on there.

          • fiona64

            Yep … it just told me that it gets its hormonal contraception for $3/month at Walmart, and everyone else can too … because, apparently, all formulations are the same.

            Female my arse.

          • five_by_five

            Oh so she’s at the library? Interesting…I didn’t see her type that.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No, sweetie, actually I’m on my own laptop, which I worked for. I’m not rich, but I’m not poor at the moment, and like everyone starting out in life at first I worked and struggled. Which you wouldn’t know anything about.

          • five_by_five

            You have it so tough. You are the victim.

            Don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Says the person who’s never had to work for squat yet. You really need to grow up.

          • Defamate

            You’re acting like you’re the victim. Of all those evil poor people who don’t even deserve sex ed so they won’t be so evil and poor!

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes, poor, poor, five_by_five. If only she didn’t have to deal with the awful lower classes or the icky people who have to work for a living—she’s such a victim, poor baby.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And just for the record, if you think that acknowledging the fact that you had to work hard to get to where you are instead of having mommy and daddy hand you everything is ‘playing the victim’, you really need to step out of your little over-privileged bubble and try the real world.

          • L-dan

            So let’s see…your point is that rather than responding when asked what you know about poverty, it’s easier to point and say “you’re not poor either!” than to actually trot out an answer?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            OMG you are twelve years old.

          • fiona64

            Yep, you just keep on proving your privilege … and the naivete that goes with it.

            So easy to be an anti-choice male teen living in Mummy’s basement, isn’t it?

          • Jennifer Starr

            And not that it’s any of your concern, but I’ve never had an abortion. Never been pregnant. But thanks for the stupid assumption–you’re being flagged for that one, kiddo.

          • fiona64

            And I feel badly that your parents reared such a dimwit.

            And yes, you’ve been flagged.

          • HeilMary1

            But you HATE him, troll.

          • expect_resistance

            Or Hitler, Mussolini, or insert name of dictator here.

          • fiona64

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • five_by_five

            And your point is what?

            All of those things are cheap, so your claim that it required privilege is wrong.

          • fiona64

            You are so privilege-blind that you don’t even understand what privilege is. Condoms have a 25 percent failure rate. Furthermore, the most effective ones are made from latex — and I’m sure you can guess what one of the most common dermatological allergies is, can’t you? Give up? It’s *latex.* Furthermore, the pill is not necessarily “cheap.” It can cost as much as $200/month, depending upon the formulation, and some women cannot take hormonal birth control for other health reasons.

            You really need to stop flapping your stupid lips about things you clearly don’t understand.

          • five_by_five

            1. It’s not 25% failure rate. You are using made up numbers.

            2. OCP are $4 at Walmart for 90% of what women use.

            Please, start making more excuses for not using contraception – because that is really responsible.

          • Ramanusia

            Prove that it’s “made up” by posting what you believe are the correct number with your sources.

            2nd you don’t seem to understand the myriad of ways in which the OCP fails even with PERFECT usage, which has nothing to do with the moronic reasons you posted. Bloating? Really?

            Please, keep showing us just how informed, how uneducated and how truly stupid the anti-choice really are. No wonder this country is swirling down the drain, all those attacks on critical thinking and attacking facts and science your poor little brains can’t handle are taking effect, every ranking of proficiency is dragged down by you neanderthals. (My apologies to your actual Neanderthal ancestors who showed much greater intelligence than their homo sapiens hybrid offspring demonstrate). Willful idiocy is the worst.

            Keep up the ignorance, because not bothering to find out how OCPs actually work is “really responsible” and then punishing others for your laziness and ignorance is even more so! (and that was sarcasm, because no, you’re not bright enough to figure out much on your own.)

          • Jennifer Starr

            It’s pretty clear that you don’t know much about medicine or much about anything, as a matter of fact. You’re kind of embarrassing yourself at this point, kiddo.

          • five_by_five

            Which point that I made are you trying to refute? Pick one and be specific about your argument, because up until this point, you haven’t made an argument.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And you haven’t actually made any points.

          • five_by_five

            Then why did you bother to comment?

          • Jennifer Starr

            That’s what I’ve been asking myself about you. You’re obviously a teen, probably homeschooled, you know nothing about contraception, pregnancy or how the real world works and yet you continue to post your utterly valueless opinions.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            To point out that you have not point, of course.
            We can see by your ignorance about birth control you do not get laid often nor are you intimate with women. Good chance you are an adolescent boy.

          • colleen2

            To point that your posts are worthless trolls and that you are an abusive dick? I’m just guessing here….

          • fiona64

            So, the CDC makes up numbers? Okay then … http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/contraception.htm. My bad; the failure rate for condoms is 18 percent.

            (And not all pills are the same, sweetie .. it doesn’t matter if yours are $4 a month; some other woman’s pills are more).

          • five_by_five

            So you were wrong. And you made up the 25% figure.

            Just . Like. I. Wrote.

          • L-dan

            Enjoy your single chance to gloat, kiddo. Otherwise you’ve been doing a great job of being incorrect all over this thread; and unlike fiona, you’ve shown no interest in owning up to it when you find you’re wrong.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Loomis/1325916023 Jim Loomis

            Yo! So all you people who don’t want the gummint interfering in your lives, it’s OK in this case? And ain’t gonna allow that socialistic Obamacare to pay for birth control, neither. Good God! Can’t you hear yourselves???

          • Mandy

            Not to mention that not all women can or want to take pills (hello I am in that group!) and even if they can not everyone can use generics (it’s really not the same. I have an Aunt whose Doctor has to make a special note to her pharmacy that she cannot be given generics.)

            My BC prescription is for Ortho Evra, the patch form of BC. Without insurance it can cost $80+ dollars every MONTH. For 3 patches. Even with my insurance, I get long term meds in 3 month doses, so that’s 9 patches for $50. Not everyone has an extra $50 sitting around at the end of their paycheck. I hate these people who are like “all birth controls are the same the pills are so cheap durp durp.” How about no. They aren’t always.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The point? You are stupid.

          • Ramanusia

            Apparently it takes some sort of brain cell or two to figure out that people get pregnant even when they do all of the above.

            I see why you have such a problem grasping that fact.

          • Dawn9476

            You do know that many girls & women in Mississippi are being taught that using any form of birth control is wrong and the same as abortion?

      • Ramanusia

        Behave responsibly how? By not voting for Republicans who promote events that cause teratogenic effects on developing fetuses like attacking the EPA, giving corporations a free ride to do harmful things, cutting poor women off of prenatal care and food stamps?

        Yeah, life is hard, but Republicans seems to be responsible for making it rather lethal to people they’re supposed to represent in their saintly “christian” ways.

        Maybe you and your governor should behave more responsibly yourselves and refrain from offering medical advice when you don’t have the education, understanding or human decency to know what you’re talking about? I know, thinking is hard, so is being a human being, but hey, why not at least give it a shot?

      • expect_resistance

        Only rich people can have sex? WTF

      • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

        And how can people act responsibly if they are not taught how? You think it’s a coincidence that the abstience only states have the highest teen pregnancy, out of wedlock birth rates and STD rates?

        • five_by_five

          “abstience only states”

          Which state prohibits parents from teaching their children about anything else besides abstinence?

          • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

            Oh sure parents can teach their kids about sex education, assuming they know anything (if they were young parents themselves they probably won’t know much). And then there are the parents who preach abstinence (like Sarah Palin) or those who “teach” by abusing their kids.

          • five_by_five

            If you have sex and don’t use protection, you are at risk of getting pregnant. Even if you do use protection, there is a rick that you’ll get pregnant.

            There. I taught them everything they need to know in about 10 seconds. Not that difficult.

          • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

            (Gasp!) You mean that’s all we have to say to end teen pregnancy? You sir are a genius!

          • five_by_five

            What exactly do you expect the schools to do beyond this?

            Really. I mean, since you’re all for the schools taking over the responsibility of the parents in teaching sex ed. and all.

  • VeggieTart

    Well, the only way to do that is to end all unwanted pregnancies, but you’re against birth control too, aren’t you, governor?

  • bitchybitchybitchy

    This governor won’t end abortions in his state;he’ll insure that any abortions that are performed will be illegal and dangerous to the health of the woman. Alternately, he’ll also insure that more women will be forced to seek abortions in other states.

  • Anon rust

    Mississippi put a Personhood bill up for vote and it failed spectacularly back in 2011. They’ve got to vote people like him out of office.

    • Defamate

      Even Mississippians don’t fall for this stuff.

    • Ramanusia

      That was because there was a concerted effort to explain exactly what these shenanigans were and how it would affect them. Someone needs to do that again, in person.

  • lady_black

    Do we need a new underground femaleroad?

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      We may need it, yes. I am prepared to participate.

      • lady_black

        Me too, sister. Me too!

    • expect_resistance

      Yes and yes! I live in MN I could help women in ND and SD.

  • Ramanusia

    If only he cared about actual life, instead he’s stated his goal to drive up the rate of maternal mortality because he’s just too stupid to understand why medical procedures are done by medical professionals and not uneducated morons like him.

  • TheBrett

    Pro-choice advocates argue that public statements like these about the law’s intent should hurt the law’s chances in court.

    If it was going to any court except that imbecilic 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in Louisiana, I’d agree. But that doesn’t appear to helping the challenge to the Texas laws, which means we’re going to end up with a region-by-region set of rulings unless the Supreme Court takes it up and re-affirms the “undue burden” doctrine.

    Unless we get some national level action on abortion rights (like a national law protecting abortion rights), it looks like poor women in these states are going to have to do the Cytotec route that Marcotte’s already described happening in east Texas. It works, but it’s more dangerous for the 1 in 100 women who end up having to go to a hospital over it.

  • Ivy Mike

    So, his primary goal as Governor is “to end abortion in Mississippi”.

    Not to end unemployment.
    Not to end child abuse.
    Not to end domestic abuse.
    Not to end illiteracy.
    Not to end pollution.
    Not to improve education.
    Not to improve health care.
    Not to improve the economy.
    Etc……..

    The fact that he, and so many of his supporters and fellow-travellers, find this stance to be just peachy, further illustrates their innate short-sighted, religion-addled, and frankly soulless insanity. In a sane world, this governor and any who think as he does, would scarcely be considered for the job of septic tank cleaner.

    I’ll wager that he ran for office trumpeting a hundred other causes and goals in front of this one. The abortion “goal” usually, like its buddies the creationism “goal”, and the anti-gay “goal”, prefers to conceal itself until after the election is held. After that, all the other “goals” magically slip out of the limelight.

    • Defamate

      MS also has some of the highest infant mortality rates in the country. We are talking third world infant mortality.

      He doesn’t seem to be too concerned about that.

      • Ivy Mike

        Of course not…infant mortality happens AFTER birth, and mostly to poor people.

  • Ashley Marie Ostrowski

    Great. Now will you do something about Mississippi’s appalling infant mortality rate?