Kentucky Lawmaker Attempts to Define Abortion as Domestic Violence

Kentucky state Rep. Joe Fischer (R-Fort Thomas) has added an amendment banning abortions at 20 weeks to a domestic violence bill, saying that “the most brutal form of domestic violence is the violence against unborn children.”

The bill, HB 8, would expand domestic violence protections and is strongly supported by Kentucky house Democrats. Under current Kentucky law, only couples who are currently married or living together can get protective orders against an abusive partner. The new bill would ensure that victims in an abusive dating relationship who do not live with their partner still have access to domestic violence protections in the courts.

Fischer’s amendment—like a similar bill that was just introduced into the Kentucky senate, and like 20-week abortion bans across the country—relies on debunked science to claim that fetuses feel pain at 20 weeks.

“This tactic is really sad,” Derek Selznick, Reproductive Freedom Project director at the ACLU of Kentucky, told RH Reality Check. “It’s pushing a political agenda and ignores the daily realities that thousands of Kentucky women and men face trying to get protective orders from the court system.”

House Speaker Greg Stumbo (D-Prestonsburg) said he will likely rule that Fischer’s amendments are not germane to the original legislation and can thus be ignored.

For the past decade, as John Cheves of the Lexington Herald-Leader reports, the Democratic chair of the Kentucky House Health and Welfare Committee has kept new anti-choice legislation from reaching the floor. But if Republicans were to regain control of the house in November, Kentucky women could be vulnerable to new abortion restrictions as severe and numerous as those in Texas.

“Every year we come within a hair’s breadth of awful stuff,” Selznick said. “I never feel good until [anti-choice bills] actually die.”

Kentucky’s legislature is considering at least seven other anti-choice bills this year. Many are routinely introduced every session only to die in committee, such as forced ultrasound bills or requirements that “informed consent” be given in person rather than over the phone. One such informed consent bill passed out of a senate committee on Friday.

In addition to his 20-week ban amendment, Rep. Fischer has sponsored another informed consent bill, a bill regulating abortions after a fetal heartbeat has been detected, and a bill that would forbid minors from out of state from using Kentucky’s judicial bypass system if they need a court order to get around parental consent laws. Another house bill, sponsored by Rep. Stan Lee (R-Fayette), would prohibit the use of telemedicine abortions.

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  • Defamate

    There was a pro-lifer here in Canada who tried to get a fetus anti-bullying law passed. He reasoned that fetuses were the biggest victims of bullying by far, and that if abortion were outlawed, fetuses would no longer be victims of bullying!

    • HeilMary1

      I’ll bet that pro-liar bullied gays, feminists and the disabled at every opportunity.

      • Ramanusia

        Well that law he was trying to shove through certainly bullied women.

        • Plum Dumpling

          I have this on the front page of my blog. “assholes on parade”

      • James Finnegan

        Again, you show how speculative ad hominem attacks are all you have. Sad, very sad.

        • fiona64

          Mr. Finnegan, I suggest you stop. Mary is not interested in dating you.

          • expect_resistance

            No doubt.
            He does have an “affinity” to Mary.

          • HeilMary1

            Yikes! Spinster me isn’t THAT hard up! But his comment isn’t showing up on my screen, so I’m spared the raw creepiness of it.

          • expect_resistance

            His comment got deleted. I think it’s creepy that he picks on you because of your criticism of the RCC. I guess I feel protective of you. Sorry it’s just my nature to defend my sisters.

          • HeilMary1


          • expect_resistance

            HailMary you are awesome. Big hugs.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Speaking of creepy, check out Don Hudzinski on the Buffer Zone Ordinance article. He actually thinks he’s Prince Charming from the Snow White fairytale.

        • Defamate

          And you show that you NEVER had an argument to begin with, because, if you HAD in fact written a cogent and well thought out argument against Amanda Marcotte, we would have:

          a) seen that it was deleted

          b) your posts would be under perma-moderation

          Since your great refutation is not in fact showing up as ‘comment deleted’ (only one of your comments was removed and we all know which one) and since you are not under perma-moderation then we can only conclude that you are lying and never had a good arugment to begin.

          Lying isn’t cool, Jimbo.

      • expect_resistance

        It’s certainly their mode of operation.

    • expect_resistance

      Seriously? That is possibly the one of the most stupid things I’ve heard.

      (p.s. I’m your neighbor to the South in Minnesota. I love Canada!)

  • Tim Brown

    Joe Fischer’s district covers part of my county. He may well be the worst legislator Kentucky has ever had. And he’s a Tea Party guy.

    • expect_resistance

      It doesn’t surprise me that he is a Tea Party guy. I hope he gets voted out of office.

      • Tim Brown

        He doesn’t have an opponent yet, because the Democrats won’t get off their duffs. But he is beatable.

  • mamiel

    Probably got his girlfriend an abortion in high school. Also, he looks like a cretin.

  • Hollywooddeed

    I’ll give up my bodily autonomy, constitutional rights and most personal decisions to the government right after Rep. Fischer does.

  • JamieHaman

    Amazing, but not surprising that these bill are put forth by a. Men who will Never Ever be pregnant, b. These men think they have some kind of right to make health care decisions for other people that concern legal procedures, c. That these men are not doctors, and are making every effort to practice medicine without a license.

    • James Finnegan

      If women won’t step up and be leaders, it looks the job falls to men by default.

      • fiona64

        Which of YOUR medical decisions should I, a woman who’s never even met you, be allowed to make?

        After all, that’s what you posit: that a man, who will never have to risk life and limb to gestate a pregnancy, should make medical decisions for women he’s never met.

        Sauce for the goose and all that, Jimmy …

  • radicalhw

    I might entertain this logic for a moment if I were certain that no POST-BORN child in Kentucky was enduring domestic violence. I’ll wait right here while Fischer solves that problem….

    • James Finnegan

      It’s interesting how you implicitly accept that there is such a thing as a PRE-BORN child and have no problem with domestic violence committed against that kind of child.

      • fiona64

        There *is* no such thing as a “pre-born” child. All children, everywhere, have been born. There is a reason why we have different names for different stages of development amongst viviparous vertebrates. Are you a pre-dead corpse? (Just trying to use your “logic” here …)

      • Defamate

        Since you consider prenates to be ‘pre born children’ then suuurely you can tell us what you would like to see happen to women who murder pre-born children once abortion is illegal? Life in prison? Hung by the neck until dead? Firing Squad? 30 years ? What will it be jimbo?

        • HeilMary1

          And don’t forget the billions of women who “chemically kill” embryos by chugging coffee, tea and consecrated holy wine. But such contradictions are beyond the moral IQs of holy whiners like Jimbo.

  • Bullshot Bill

    When are people going to learn the Tea Party is a moronic regressive cabal of ignorant idiots?

  • expect_resistance

    Rep. Fischer is an idiot. This is insulting to anyone who has been a victim of domestic violence.

    • Plum Dumpling

      He is an abuser himself. What do abusive men do?

      They poke holes in your diapharagm or the condom so you will get pregnant and they can control you. If they do not want you to be pregnant, they siip you abortifacients in your coffee or kick you in the stomach. Control is what abusive men are all about.

      What does baggerpuke Joe Fischer want to do to women in his state? Control them. I rest my case.

  • Plum Dumpling

    I will find the film info. Thank you very much.

  • JeffreyRO55

    “We have anti-choice women in for abortions
    all the time. Many of them are just naive and ignorant until they
    find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. Many of them are not
    malicious. They just haven’t given it the proper amount of thought
    until it completely affects them. They can be judgmental about their
    friends, family, and other women. Then suddenly they become pregnant.
    Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice.
    Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than
    everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one
    else does.” (Physician, Washington State)

  • ldwendy

    I normally don’t make references to LAN, but if you search on their site, there are cases where feti with hydrocephalus has been carried to term and thrived. But I believe the anecdotal evidence on that site doesn’t guarantee the fetus Marlise is carrying will have the same positive result.

    The question is, whether the Munozes can find the funds to cover the massive medical bills without having to give up the child up for adoption. It’s hard to say how much care this child will require until he or she is born.

    Frankly I think the hospital should pay ALL the lifetime medical bills involved since they are the one who forced Erick into this situation by their “interpretation” of the law.

  • Pammila Allen

    We have a serious problem here, need a Democrat to step forward and help fight this. Hope as with other states the supreme court can come in and stop them requiring sonograms and prevent any bill claiming bullying, or preventing late term abortion in the case of health risks to the mother. Another problem is gerrymandering, reason these tea party people are getting in is usually because they are bumping other republicans that were more moderate. We have two fights, to correct gerrymandering and to get Democrats in to protect woman’s rights. If they do pass these laws, then we need litigation to go through the courts to get the Supreme courts attention to strike down as in other states.