• Arekushieru

    I think you are missing one key point, however; Society, for the longest time has made BOTH men and women believe that contraception and childbearing are the WOMAN’S responsibility. It’s not just some ‘outside’ decision-makers, on the edges of, and untouched by, society (as you make it seem but is actually pretty impossible) that have barred men from effective options for birth control, after all.

    Also, I wish that they could have done these trials without using other animals as the ‘guinea pigs’.

    Other than that, I am very happy to see these things being developed.

    • cjvg

      This is true, however many pro-choice women and couples are now raising their kids to consider contraception to be a personal responsibility!
      They are raising their daughters AND their sons with the understanding that pregnancy takes two, and childbirth caused two people to become parents, so the responsibility to prevent pregnancy takes two also!

      • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

        True pregnancy “takes two”. But only one of those people can unilaterally decide to abandon their parental responsibilities after a pregnancy has already taken place via: abortion, adoption, or safe haven laws. Only one of those people is guarenteed a 90% chance of gaining custody before they ever set foot in the courtroom. Only one of those people is likely to be relegated to a mere visitor in his children’s lives, while paying though the nose; under threat of imprisonment for that privilege.

        It’s long past time that men’s legal and medical options regarding reproduction and parenting caught up to women’s. Male birth control will be a needed step in that direction.

        Also am I the only one who finds it strange that “many pro-choice women” [read feminists] are teaching their sons that someone else’s body is their responsibility? Stop making men responsible for women’s bodies and what they decide to do with them! Their body, their choice, their responsibility!

  • cj99.willingness99@gmail.com

    Being a guy most of these I would use as their not permanent and appear as if they could be quite effective. Hopefully STD prevention will also catch up.

  • Kathi J

    For me the big question is unless a couple is married or in a long-term committed relationship why would a woman trust that a man really is on birth control. He won’t be the one getting pregnant.

    • MaiaDoe

      “unless a couple is married or in a long-term committed relationship”
      Sadly, birth control sabotage happens even in this kind of relationship.

      To your question – I think that if the woman does not trust him, then she can use contraceptives too, that way both of them can feel comfortable. There are too many cases of women who just stopped to take the pill on purpose, without telling their partner.
      If both partners are using contraception, then there is no harm (except for monetary), and the reliability must be well over 99%.

      • Arekushieru

        Um, and there are also too many cases of reproductive sabotage by male partners. And there is a reason why women don’t trust men to do the same. I outlined it my first post on this thread. Why don’t you try reading it? Kthx.

        • MaiaDoe

          I’ve already read your post. And?

          • Arekushieru

            Reading comprehension. Not your strong suit I take it?

          • Arekushieru

            To Gregy buu: If there are more cases, you won’t have a problem listing the names of your sources. Sorry, MRA sites don’t count. I only want non-biased, peer reviewed, medically ACCREDITED sites. Thanks.

        • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

          If a man tries to trap a woman: She can just get an abortion, or leave it at a fire station.

          If a woman tries to trap a man: Too bad!

          • Arekushieru

            Never heard of contraceptive sabotage or domestic partner violence, which, btw, is perpetrated by MEN more often than WOMEN? And abortion is not that easy to obtain no matter HOW much misogynistic antis or MRAs would LOVE to have you believe. And, here’s a doozy of a question for an ignorant MRA such as yourself, what bodily function does a fetus usurp on a MAN’S body? If none, then there really isn’t anything that a man COULD be trapped into that a woman couldn’t, and there IS something that a woman COULD be trapped into that a man couldn’t. Ah, did that hurt the poor little MRAs feefees???

          • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

            what bodily function does a fetus usurp on a MAN’S body?

            If the mother chooses to let that fetus to grow into a baby then that man has to use his body to earn money to make child support payments. Often while doing dirty or dangerous jobs. How many women are forced to: risk getting their legs blown off in Afghanistan, work on oil rigs, or work in coal mines to provide for their children?

            If for some reason that man is unable to pay his ridiculously large court ordered child support payments; his body ends up in prison. That’s how a fetus eventually usurps a mans body. A single mother only has to use her body to support a child for 9 months; and only if she chooses to do so. A single father has to use his body to support that child for 18 years; whether he wants to or not.. Seriously Carla never go full retard.

    • nicothed

      Yes, but he’ll be the one paying for the next 25 years… That’s a pretty odd fear.

      • Kathi J

        Unfortunately many men pay zero child support, I was married and my ex-husband did not pay one penny towards supporting his child. Plus child support rarely comes close to what it costs – or rather half of what it costs to raise a child.

        • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

          Bullshit. I’ve been on both sides. Having been the one paying child support, and now being the primary custodian while not receiving any child support from the mother. The amount men pay is way more then it costs to raise a child. At least when the child is younger.

          Claiming that currently men can choose to pay zero child support is also untrue. They just seize it from your wages before it ever hits your bank account. Any money that hits a bank account with your name on it will be seized and given to the mother. Any money owed to you by the government such as: social security, or tax refunds will be seized and given to the mother.

          If you fall behind your payments due to: illness, injury, or unemployment your drivers license will be suspended, and you’ll eventually be imprisoned. Good luck trying to find a job to pay off your debt when you can’t drive, or you’re locked in the slammer.

          Madam either you’re lying, or sorely misinformed about the current state of child support collection in the United States.

          • Kathi J

            Would it make you feel better if I said non-custodial parents rather than men? I know it works both ways, a niece of mine pays no child support to her ex-husband who has sole custody of their children and never has, she also really doesn’t have a relationship with those children. I still disagree and so do many other custodial parents who get zero child support and I’ve only known a small handful of custodial parents who got close to what half the cost of supporting a child is via child support. You are assuming a child support order to begin with and some non-custodial parents evade that, look at all the single-parents on welfare who get no support, we the taxpayers pay for their children. Non-custodial parents can work the underground economy, can vanish, etc. This is especially true when the couple was never married or did not have a long-term relationship and where the non-custodial parent does not care at all about the child. I know that once an order is in place, it’s hard to evade child support and there are legal consequences, but do not assume every custodial parent is able to get a child support order or has any chance of getting support.

          • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

            Would it make you feel better if I said non-custodial parents rather than men?

            Since over 90% of men are NCP’s it’s a largely a distinction without a difference.

            Of course your niece doesn’t pay child support. She’s a woman. My ex is a female NCP also. Guess what? She doesn’t pay child support either. The court system is highly biased against men.

            …look at all the single-parents on welfare who get no support, we the taxpayers pay for their children.

            If a single mother goes on welfare the state automatically sues the father for child support, then uses that money to reimburse the government for the cost of welfare. Those children aren’t supported by the taxpayers.

            Non-custodial parents can work the underground economy, can vanish, etc.

            *rolls eyes* Yeah sure. All the guy has to do is vanish; cut off all contact with everyone he cares about; commit to never seeing his child again; and somehow fraudulently create an entirely new identity. Sounds easy enough.

            Either that or work as a dishwasher: paid in cash, with no unemployment insurance, health insurance, or social security when he gets too old to work. Sounds like a great plan.

            On the other hand if a woman gets tired of her baby she can take advantage of abandonment laws just drop it off at the fire station. Like the posters say: No names, no shame, no blame. But hey walmart has a 90 day return policy for its blenders; why shouldn’t mothers have a similar return policy for their children.

          • Kathi J

            My niece does not pay because most of the time she’s a guest of the state (long-time drug abuser) and even when on the loose she doesn’t work in the normal economy so appears to have no income. Welfare is supposed to look for and sue non-custodial parents but really there’s little follow-through and it can take many years. Some women won’t know the social security number either and that makes it more complicated. You would be surprised at the number of people who work off books. And what does abandoning her baby have to do with getting or paying child support?

          • Arekushieru

            Sorry, sweetie, but the reason why most men are NCPs is because WOMEN are the ones who SEEK custody. If more men actually SOUGHT custody, there would be more male custodial parents. Oopsies?

            The other reason why women are granted custody more often is because of MISOGYNY, meaning the courts are biased against WOMEN. WOMEN still take on the majority of child rearing and household tasks and that is what the courts take into consideration, thereby perpetuating the belief that women are more suited to nurturing children without recognizing the cultural roles that typically place those pressures on women to become nurturers. If there ARE no such cultural roles and pressures, you will be able to give me peer-reviewed, non-biased evidence that backs the theory that men take on more of the child rearing tasks than women do. But, of course, you can’t. Oops, again!

            I just gave you an example of a woman who was on welfare and whom the courts haven’t ordered child support payments for. So, wrong, again, as usual.

            Welfare IS supported by taxpayers. Umpteenth time you’ve been wrong, so far, hasn’t it? Doesn’t matter whether the government EVENTUALLY gets its money, after all….

            And, gee, if you aren’t receiving court-ordered child support payments from the mother of your child, HOW is it that a woman MUST be receiving court-ordered child support payments from the father of her child? OR, if she isn’t being ordered to pay child support, why isn’t it that a MAN can NOT have been ordered to pay child support payments, as well? Because men are ALWAYS such ‘fine’, ‘upstanding’ citizens while women NEVER ARE? Wow, again, you prove that it is MISOGYNY that drives our social and court systems… ANNNNNDDD prove yourself wrong. Oops.

            So, we see your REAL goal, with the ending paragraph. You want women to be PUNISHED with a child (after all, if it’s THAT BIG OF A DEAL that men may be ordered to pay child support more often and be made ‘homeless, starving and/or a criminal’ by defaulting on them, then forcing women to keep the child is punishment on your part since women will be made to bear the brunt of those costs on LESS MONEY, if you have YOUR way), and men to have all the support they need and want when raising children, because that is what you consider ‘balance’.

            Obtw, tell me ALSO what hormonal changes men can be expected to undergo or even what forms of post-partum syndrome, including, but not limited to, the baby blues, depression, etc… they may experience after they get pregnant and give birth? None? Then I have to ask, misogyny much? DERP.

          • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

            Hey Carla Clark nice try.

            Only an idiot would believe the claim that a fat middle aged woman
            for Alberta, Canada knows more about the American custody and child support system then an American citizen who’s personally dealt with it on a regular basis.

            But who’s going to argue with someone who claims to have read “numerous studies” and “actual reports”. It’s not like you just made that or anything.

            After browsing though your comments it’s obvious that you’re mentally disturbed. Since I’m not one for arguing with crazy people I’m not going to respond to that wall of lies that you just posted. Instead I’ll just put your picture up so people will know who you are. That way they can stay the heck away from you, and let you continue to ranting to yourself. Have a great day!

          • Arekushieru

            Really, perhaps the REASON why you think men pay way more than it costs to raise a child is because MEN are typically paid more on a single income than a woman is? DERP. Maybe you should browse some of the other posts on this website and see just HOW much a singleton PREGNANCY alone costs, before you even get INTO the costs of child rearing, THEN attempt to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes, mmkay…? Their calculations are based on NUMEROUS studies, not just anecdotes like YOURS. So, WHOM should we believe is lying, again…?

            And, here’s another anecdote for you, partially in hope that by showing you what you ADVOCATE for, namely removing court-mandated child support payments, will do, you will finally have COMPASSION for women (but I’m not going to hold my breath, because MRAs are, for the most part, too self-interested) but partially to show you how little anecdotes actually mean in the scheme of things: I have a friend who is living on WELFARE and COULD sue for support payments, but chooses NOT to, because the court proceedings and their time and travel costs ALONE would eat into whatever amount she has already scrimped and saved to live on, and she barely gets by as it IS. ALL she is asking for the father to pay is a measly 100$ a month when he CAN. But even on his WORST months he makes FAR more than she does on her BEST day. He very rarely makes that payment, even ON those best months. He COULD be the CP IF he didn’t smoke weed in front of a child whose immune system is SEVERELY compromised from being two and a half months premature and IF he didn’t associate with a known child abuser, who has had her own child taken away for that reason. Hmm…. WHO is the one whining, NOW?

            And reports, ACTUAL REPORTS, outline the reasons why many men default on their payments, and, here’s a hint, ‘honey’, it’s NOT because of injury, illness or unemployment. DERP.

          • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

            Hey Carla nice try.

            Only an idiot would claim that a fat middle aged woman for Alberta, Canada knows more about the American custody and child support system then an American citizen who’s personally dealt with it on a regular basis.

            But who’s going to argue with someone who claims to have read “numerous studies” and “actual reports”. It’s not like you just made that up for the sake of argument or anything. After browsing though your comments it’s obvious that you’re mentally disturbed. Since I’m not one for arguing with crazy people I’ll let you babble to yourself. Have a great day.

    • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

      Then don’t trust him! Just because he’s on birth control doesn’t mean you can’t be on birth control as well. Stop whining and take responsibility for your own body!

      • Arekushieru

        So, women should make sure they are trustworthy to men, but men should not do the same for men? Wow, double standards much, ignorant ASS?

        • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

          Where did I say that Carla? Be sure to cite a direct quote by me.

  • Kathi J

    Men don’t get pregnant so yes it’s a gender thing. It’s not at all the same for them if birth control fails, if they forget to take their pill. I just think unless a man has the same motivation for a pregnancy not to happen, it’s a risk for a woman, especially a single woman, to felt secure that he is using birth control. Wholly different in a marriage or long term relationship.

  • http://www.juegos2.info/ Juegos 2

    when men take care of the kids while they are ardent love for your family. more women should not be too hard on them

    • Arekushieru

      Um, sorry, but women STILL take on the majority of child rearing duties. Who gives a flying FIG if he loves them or not? Seriously. Stop your whining.

  • Arekushieru

    I mean, seriously, did you have to have Kathi point out to you that it IS a gender thing? WOW.

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