Pope Francis: Roman Catholic Church ‘Obsessed’ With Abortion, Contraception, Homosexuality


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In a historic interview published in part by the New York Times Thursday, Pope Francis said he thinks the Roman Catholic Church spends too much time talking about abortion, contraception, and homosexuality. During three conversations with Rev. Antonio Spadaro, editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, Pope Francis shared some of his thinking on these issues and explained why he has not discussed them in detail since he was ordained six months ago, despite criticism from some in the church. The interview was conducted in Italian, approved by the Pope, translated into English by a team of translators, and released Thursday morning to 16 Jesuit journals around the world.

As the Times reports, Pope Francis seeks to make the church more welcoming. “This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people,” he said. “We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest protecting our mediocrity.”

While the Roman Catholic Church frequently focuses on issues like contraception and abortion, the pope himself thinks the church should take a step back. He told his interviewer, “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time. The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.”

He added, “We have to find a new balance otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”

During the interview, Pope Francis also explained comments he made about homosexuality in July, when he told reporters, “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Though he was speaking in Italian at the time, he used the English word “gay.” In the new interview, he said this on the subject: “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.”

Many U.S. Catholics are reacting to the news with surprise and hope. Rev. James Martin, editor of America, one of the Jesuit journals that published the interview, noted in the Times, “He seems even more of a free-thinker than I thought—creative, experimental, willing to live on the margins, push boundaries back a little bit.”

Jon O’Brien, president of Catholics for Choice, said in a press release, “This message resonates with so many Catholics because it reflects our personal experiences—Catholics are gay and lesbian; Catholics use birth control and Catholics have abortions.”

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  • DivineWordRadio

    This article fails to cover the important aspects of the interview–that Catholic teaching remains unchanged, and for those who think this means the Church will be changing its teachings in these areas, they are wrong.

    • goatini

      “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the Church are not at all equivalent. The Church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently…”

      Pretty much looks like he’s telling the hyper-“Cathoic” regressive amygdlaian shame and blame browbeating dudebros that unless they STFU, “otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”. In other words, you’re stinking up the joint.

      • DivineWordRadio

        And you heard what you wanted to hear. The statement is true. They are not all equivalent. Abortion is at the top of the list, as evidenced by his release today on abortion. ht tp: //ww w.cbs news.c om/8301-202_162-57603897…

        • HeilMary1

          Using fetuses to murder unwanted wives is the top of my sin list, wife killer and pedophile priest defender.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s one of many reasons that you won’t be the Pope. You have an inability to accept good from evil, calling good evil, and evil good. You try to be as vile as you can be, to establish to the world that you have nothing but hatred inside you. Pity. You could work at making your life better and moving forward, but you can’t let go of the hate.

          • HeilMary1

            I don’t want to be Poop of your RCC, and my holy mission in life is to expose RCC crimes against humanity. Your defense of your evil, vile death cult is criminal mental illness.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Yeah, right. I’m not very concerned. The gates of hell won’t prevail against the Church, and you don’t rate against that. The name calling is old. That’s all you have.

          • HeilMary1

            You should lose your law license, if you haven’t already.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Thanks for sharing. I’m certain there must be someone who cares what you think about the issue that would matter. I just don’t know who that would be.

          • Arekushieru

            Someone sane, like many of the regular posters on this site. Too hard to comprehend for you?

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry, but I have seen a shortage of that here. So yes, that would be hard to comprehend.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Nobody here is defending pedophile priests. You do defend them. So do not be going about vaunting your sanity.

          • DivineWordRadio

            So, you decided to jump in on this article too? No one here is discussing priests, and certainly not priests committing pedophilia. So what is your point? To impugn and name call. Sadly, that provides nothing of value here.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My point? I wish to let everyone here know the depth and length of your sexual dysfunction and depravity. The abuse of children and women is all of a piece in the RCC. And you support it with the same old tired evil arguments.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, what you really said was, “I am a bigot folks. I hate Catholics.” Why? Because your definition of sexual dysfunction and depravity is, according to your attacks, my support of the Catholic Church.

            You then make false claims about women and children in the Church, further establishing that you are a religious bigot.

            Then you call good evil.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am a Catholic. I am not your kind of Catholic.

          • DivineWordRadio

            If you are a Catholic, act like one.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If you are a real man, act like one. Real men love and care for women.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I do. That’s why I’d prefer not to see you in hell.

          • fiona64

            So, you’re in charge of deciding who does or not go to “hell,” eh?

            Hubris, much?

          • goatini

            Plum and I are Catholics. We act like Catholics.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are a liar. You must be desperate. Or venal. Maybe you are both.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Let’s see. You said, “I wish to let everyone here know the depth and length of your sexual dysfunction and depravity.” “The abuse of children and women is all a piece in the RCC. And you support it with the sam old tired evil arguments.” Or “Nobody here is defending pedophile priests. You do defend them.”

            Did I miss something? Looks like you are a bigot, who hates Catholics, and me for my support of the Church. And, you call good evil.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You miss your own evil. Poster after poster has told you what you appear to be to others. Not one person here thinks of you as good or particularly sane. Poor thing. I bet folks run when they see you coming.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Pro-abortion poster after pro-abortion poster has told me what they think I appear to be to them. They cannot see the damage they promote, yet are positioned to clarify good and evil for me?

            Those who are evil often do run.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Here is a perfect example of you lying. I am PRO birth for any woman who wants to give birth. I am PRO abortion for any woman who wants an abortion. I PRO women being in charge of their own fertility and their own families without interference from the authoritarian or the sexually bent.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then I did not lie.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You lied right here. I pointed it out.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then I did not lie. You are pro-abortion.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The nuns did not tell you that a lie by ommission is still a lie? I know they did.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Actually, I didn’t attend Catholic school I attended godless State institutions. And it still makes you no less pro-abortion. Why does that bother you, by the way? I would think you would be proud of your position. I wouldn’t be, but it appears that you would be.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am proud of my PRO birth position as well. A lie by ommission is still a lie. I know the Nuns taught you that. I am a Catholic, remember? You are evil and a liar.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It isn’t a lie by omission. As you said, “I am proud of my PRO birth position as well.” I think I’d learn Catholic teaching on the issue if I were you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I know what the Catholic position on abortion is. That is, I know the position of the hierarchy. Catholics ignore the hierarchy. The majority opinion on abortion and contraception among Catholics is pro contraception and pro abortion if needed. 98% of Catholic women use contraception. 28% of the abortions nationwide are for Catholic women. So you are lying again, only this lie is a wishful thinking kind of lie.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, you know the Catholic position on abortion. It is clear. You say, “Catholics ignore the hierarchy.” Some Catholics do, when we sin. When we decide to commit murder, to steal, or to falsely defame someone. There are the Catholics that “ignore the hierarchy.”

            The majority of Catholics have probably lied and stolen something too. Truth is not a majority vote. Should the “Catholic hierarchy” start teaching that lying and theft are moral now?

            You don’t want to face Catholic teaching on this matter, because you then might have to admit that you are wrong and acting against God’s plan.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            As Catholics for Choice, We Imagine a World:

            Where all women and men are trusted to make moral decisions about their lives.

            Where the decision to start a family is thoughtful and planned.

            Where policy makers and advocates are free to support policies that create a more just and compassionate society.

            Where life-saving health interventions aren’t blocked by sectarian interests.

            Where abortion is safe, legal and truly accessible, and both contraception and child care are available and affordable.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Catholics for Choice? A financed organization, led by one individual, who promotes the myth that the Church is divided on this issue. Why not Vegans for Steak?

            If a person claims communion with the Catholic Church — communion which requires the statement “I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church teaches, believes and proclaims to be revealed by God” in order to be obtained — and then proclaims the specific lack of belief in that which the Catholic Church teaches, believes and proclaims regarding human sexuality, then that person’s claim to communion is false.

            It is very interesting that “Christ humbled himself becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:8)” yet this group of so called “Catholics” refuses to be obedient to the Church they profess to be a part of. Doesn’t sound very Christ-like to me.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The RCC is not in a position to “require” something from me, not belief or obedience. I will decide how to honor my baptism and confirmation. You and Rome will not decide for me. The RCC is fortunate that I still consider myself a Catholice and it is time for their abuse of me and other women comes to an end.

          • DivineWordRadio

            God requires something of you, and provided us the Church to hold that message.

            It is your decision to honor or dishonor your baptism and confirmation. It is not fortunate for the Church that you consider yourself Catholic, and it matters little to them, except in their concern for your salvation.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My relationship with God is private. Two is company. Three is a crowd.

          • fiona64

            If a person claims communion with the Catholic Church — communion which
            requires the statement “I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic
            Church teaches, believes and proclaims to be revealed by God” in order
            to be obtained — and then proclaims the specific lack of belief in that
            which the Catholic Church teaches, believes and proclaims regarding
            human sexuality, then that person’s claim to communion is false.

            And you claim that the RCC is *not* fundamentalist. ROFLMAO.

          • HeilMary1

            Killing your wife isn’t Christ-like.

          • goatini

            I love CFC.

          • HeilMary1

            Me too!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Me too. God bless them. I know S/he does.

          • HeilMary1

            You won’t admit the RCC changed its dogma on sex, etc. many times.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re proud of killing your wife and blaming everyone else!

          • HeilMary1

            You are godless, jackass.

          • fiona64

            He’s big on lying. I’ve called him out on some very specific whoppers he has told about me and my position, and told him that he needs to confess to bearing false witness.

            He’s risible.

          • HeilMary1

            You are the epitome of sexual dysfunction and depravity, which is why you support your criminal cult.

          • goatini

            Plum and I ARE Catholics, which we’ve both told you repeatedly. And YOU do not get to decide who is or is not Catholic.

          • goatini

            I’m guessing he never had one to begin with.

          • Arekushieru

            They already have. With people such as yourself involved (that includes the Church. They misinterpret SO much in the bible, too). Satan has already taken you over. HE was a misogynist. NOT God. Also, Satan killed ONE person in the bible. God? Killed thousands, if not MILLIONS. Hrm.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Let’s see. You said so, so it is true. Jesus lied, and the gates of hell will prevail against the Church. It is precisely because flawed people like me have been involved for the last 2000 years that I am confident in Christ’s teachings. Even we couldn’t mess it up.

            And no, the Church has not misinterpreted the Bible, although we, as individuals, do it all the time. That is why there have been 40,000 spin offs of the Church.

            Funny that you earlier want to convince me that you are a Christian, and then you support Satan, and attack God? Seems a little problematic there. At one point, you contend God is not a misogynist, but Satan is, and that I have been taken over by Satan. But then you contend that Satan killed only one person in the Bible, and God “killed thousands, if not MILLIONS.”

            So, Satan is good, but misogynist, and God is a murderer, but loves women?

            I think I’d return to Church teaching if I were you.

          • HeilMary1

            If I checked with the police in Haleyville, AL, I’ll bet I’d find plenty of complaints against you. You are a deranged death camp guard looking for women and gay prisoners to torture.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Good luck with that.

          • Gary

            I see you have decided that you are the judge! I guess you are not a Christian then. You certainly don’t seem to live by the what Jesus said, judge no lest ye be judged!! That is pretty clear, there were no exceptions to that.

            I am unsure why it is that those of you who claim to be christians don’t just make up a new religion, because you don’t see to care about the bible or what Jesus taught. No where did Jesus say a word about gays, abortions, or any other number of “sins”.

            In fact he even done away with the ten commandments, boiled them down to two. You also have no understanding of what was done to create the bible. Books that did not agree with the idea of no women in leadership of the church, the idea of not allowing priests to marry, and any number of other things were not placed in the bible. Read a little history of this monstrosity called the church.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I suspect that you lack the ability to understand Christianity. Do you understand the context of “judge not, lest you be judged?” We are not called not to judge, but to judge rightly. So apparently you are unaware of that.

            You have so much hatred for Christians. Pity.

            As you know, the New Testament does speak against homosexuality, as well as a number of other sins. In the society of Jesus’ time, there was not acceptance of either abortion or homosexuality. He didn’t speak against war, pedophilia, or for equal pay for women, but i suspect you think He had a position on those issues as well.

            No, He did not do away with the Ten Commandments. Try looking at the early Church fathers, and the Church in the first few centuries, or the Bible itself, and it will be clear this is false. I know how the Bible was compiled, and which Church councils were involved and when. You falsely claim that books that support your position were left out. If that is the case, can you provide a citation for those books? Gnostic gospels were written in the second and third centuries, not by their professed writers, but by people claiming to channel the spirits of the named writers. They did not profess women leadership; in fact, women were viewed as not human, and could only reach humanity by being more like men.

            You simply are misinformed. For example, the Gospel of Judas, Chapter 1, verses 7-9: “(7) Then Simon Peter spoke to them, “Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.”

            And Jesus replied, “I myself shall lead her in order to make her like Adam, so that she, too, may become a living spirit resembling Adam. For every woman who will make herself like Adam will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”

            (8) He continued, “Adam came into being from a great power and a great wealth, but he did not become worthy of you. For had he been worthy, he would not have died.”

            (9) And Jesus said to Simon Peter, “It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.””

          • Arekushieru

            How you can say he has so much hatred against Christians, when I feel that he is far more generous and kind to Christians (such as myself. *Gasp* A Christian, unlike yourself, who thinks RATIONALLY?? Say it ain’t so!), than you, yourself, could EVER be?

            Nope, the bible says nothing against homosexuality. Just against infidelity. Another Christian taught me that. SO sorry. The people whom Paul wrote that letter to? Thought nothing of cheating on their spouses. Therefore, when Paul proscribed against infidelity, the people believed that if a woman lay with a woman and a man lay with a man, that it was not infidelity. Therefore, when Paul wrote his letter, he had to reprimand them for homosexual infidelity, as well. There are two clues that SHOULD have informed you of this, oh great scholar. Lie, as it is used in the bible, is a form of the verb to cheat. Oops. Secondly, as; Lie with a man AS one would with a woman. Combined with the first word, it takes on a whole new meaning doesn’t it? Specifically, that it refers to a period of time NOT an action. Again, oops.

            “In the society of Jesus’ time, there was not acceptance of either abortion or homosexuality. He didn’t speak against war, pedophilia, or for equal pay for women, but i suspect you think He had a position on those issues as well.”

            Because he grew up in misogynistic times. If Jesus (and God) supported misogyny, why was it necessary for him to even be born? Speaking against war, pedophilia and equal pay for women is like speaking FOR abortion. You made our point, not yours. YOU are the one who believes that Jesus has position on abortion, even though he didn’t speak against it. Once again, IRRATIONAL.

            “Gnostic gospels were written in the second and third centuries, not by their professed writers, but by people claiming to channel the spirits of the named writers. They did not profess women leadership; in fact, women were viewed as not human, and could only reach humanity by being more like men.”

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can’t… oh… my stomach…. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! …But seriously, who do you think the passages of Jesus’ disciples were written by? I assure you, NOT by the Apostles, themselves. And they were written and REwritten by different men over the centuries. Seriously… my stomach….

            “And Jesus replied, “I myself shall lead her in order to make her like Adam, so that she, too, may become a living spirit resembling Adam. For every woman who will make herself like Adam will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”

            (8) He continued, “Adam came into being from a great power and a great wealth, but he did not become worthy of you. For had he been worthy, he would not have died.””

            Two very contradictory statements, at least, from what YOU’RE attempting to relate. How can Mary become a living spirit like Adam, worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven, if Adam had not become worthy of us because he died, meaning, by your very definition, not worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven?

          • DivineWordRadio

            Gary and I have already had a long conversation above.

            As to your Christianity, I simply do not know how you define it.

            Yes, the Bible says quite a bit against homosexuality. Modernists beginning in the 1990s began trying to redefine Biblical terms to take it out, but it is there. Why? Because it is the nature of people to want to change Truth so that they don’t have to face up to it.

            You contend that Jesus grew up in misogynistic times, therefore there was little reason to discuss homosexuality or abortion. Jesus challenged the status of many other things in society, why not those? Actually he did, as to the issue of misogyny. The Church recognized the rights of women when Roman society did not.

            Jesus was born to carry out the Covenant relationship between mankind and God. Man had been offered numerous covenants with God, and failed to carry out his part of the bargain each time. God sent His Son, lowering himself to become a man, to carry out the new Covenant between God and man.

            You either clearly did not understand my point, or attempted to twist it. Jesus did not, in gospel writings (remember, Jesus did, and said, a number of things and “if every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written”) specifically speak of a number of issues. My point was that you would believe these things against Jesus’ teachings, even though he did not specifically address them.

            When you say another Christian taught you that homosexuality isn’t in the Bible, you were misinformed. The Church addresses 7 passages in the Bible, 3 in the Old Testament, and 4 in the New. Yes, interpretation is important. If interpretation were left up to us as individuals, we could make the Bible say whatever we want it to say, and our sinful natures could gravitate toward interpretations that serve our passions. That is why, ultimately, the Church reserves the right to interpret Scripture to herself. “For all of that has been said about the way of interpreting Scripture is subject finally to the judgment of the Church, which carries out the divine commission and ministry of guarding and interpreting the word of God” (Dei Verbum12).

            Your claim about the Gospels has no proof, and is not supported by early Church teaching. Sorry. Your clever laughs only indicate your arrogance in this regard. You are establishing your lack of Biblical scholarship, not your understanding of it.

            My point of quoting the Gospel of Judas, (not a gospel, in a scriptural sense, and not from Judas, having been written by Gnostics) established the gnostics view that women were inferior. This is not Christian teaching, and the gnostic writers were somewhat equivalent to New Agers today. The Gnostics believed that women were not an equal to man, and until they became more like men, they did not become human.

          • Arekushieru

            How is the conversation between you and Gary relevant to what I’m posting? Merely the fact that, perhaps, that’s EXACTLY why I’m responding?

            Here we go, someone whitewashing the Church, yet complaining how everyone else is brainwashed. So sad.

            And, again, you can provide even LESS proof and context than I can in your claim that Modernists tried to remove the proscription against homosexuality.

            The Church has never recognized the rights of women. Romans didn’t, either. Certainly Western society is BEGINNING to.

            I have given you logical refutations. Where are yours? All I see are quasi-philosophical posts.

            I did NOT say that homosexuality was not in the bible. Please. Learn. To. Read.

            And you say my claim has no proof. Neither does yours. At least mine has historical context that yours LACKS. And the person I am speaking of is a Christian THEOLOGIAN. I’m sure I’d trust her interpretation far better than a bunch of old men who rape children, try to shove it under the rug when it gets exposed, treat women as inferiors (even though you say that it is the Gnostics who inserted these passages, you seem to have no problem with the fact that the Church STILL interprets the Gospel in such a manner. Hmm, wonder why that could be…. Maybe it’s because it has nothing to do with the Gnostics but people like yourselves AND the Church) by denying them positions of power, etc… etc….

            The Church has misinterpreted the Bible many times. It’s how they justified making black people slaves, for example. So sorry.

            The Church tries to speak FOR God, EVERY time it tries to ‘interpret’ something. Please do look up the phrase ‘speak for God’ and I am sure you will see that it means a party that tries to intervene on God’s behalf, and that tries to set themselves up as the only path to truth, which is what a Church does. And that’s not something God, Himself, ever intended.

            It’s sad that your sinful nature leads you to believe that women are inferior.

            ‘Thou shalt have no other God before Me’ – God. If you believe Jesus is God, then you have another God before God. Hmmm….

            Again, please learn to read. I did NOT say that Jesus grew up in misogynistic times, therefore it was the reason he did not speak against abortion and homosexuality. I said that Jesus grew up in misogynistic times, and, because his life was meant to be a turning point, so to speak, in the lives of the people of the time, he must have SUPPORTED homosexuality and abortion. Whether or not he spoke for or against them is irrelevant. Kthx.

            And that’s the reason why I did not twist or misunderstand your point. You certainly like to twist mine, though. I was explaining why one point was misogynistic and therefore something Jesus would NOT support, and the other was not, and therefore something he would support. Therefore whether he spoke for or against something is, again, irrelevant. Kthx.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As to the portion with Gary, I addressed the issue with his perceived hatred, and we talked about relevant issues.

            As to your claim about modernists and the attempt to redefine Scripture, bring it on.

            Your claim about the Church and women is false. There is a major section of the book “How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization,” by Thomas E Woods, Jr PhD, that addresses this issue, particularly in the context of the differences between the Roman view of women and that of the early Christian Church.

            You seem to think it is a refutation to say, “Is not!’ Sorry, but no.

            Oh, and the “Learn. To. Read.” is also childish, if you care. You claim in your post here that “I did NOT say that homosexuality was not in the bible.” My response was “Yes, the Bible says quite a bit against homosexuality.” What you did said in response was “Nope, the bible says nothing against homosexuality.” I’d encourage you to follow your own advice.

            Christian theologian? That and 75 cents buys you a cheap cup of coffee. The title does not confer competence.

            You are the one lacking historical context. The Bible was compiled by the Church. As that is the case, it is difficult for you to claim that they were the ones misinterpreting it. And, would you like to provide any proof, other than a claim that a mythical Christian theologian told you something, that the interpretation she allegedly gave you, was anything other than modernist?

            I did provide documentation to support my position about the Gnostics. You provided me your bigoted opinion about the Church.

            The Church teaches on the issue of slavery that the greatest slavery is the slavery to sin. They do not proscribe sin in this world, so your statement is incorrect.

            The Church is here for the purpose of binding and loosing, to hold the Keys to the Kingdom of God. When the Church interprets doctrine definitively, it is speaking for God, and that is what God intended. Jesus said, in Matthew 16:18-19: “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will bee loosed in heaven.”

            I don’t believe that women are inferior. Is it your sinful nature that leads you to false continue to claim that I do?

            When you say things like this – “‘Thou shalt have no other God before Me’ – God. If you believe Jesus is God, then you have another God before God. Hmmmm….” – then you establish that you do not understand Christianity or the Trinity. This merely solidifies that your claim to a Christian theologian is even more spurious.

            “Again, please learn to read. I did NOT say that Jesus grew up in misogynistic times.” I already have. You claimed that Jesus lived in misogynist times: [in referencing Jesus]”Because he grew up in misogynistic times.”

            I said in response, “You contend that Jesus grew up in misogynistic times, THEREFORE [emphasis added] there was little reason to discuss homosexuality or abortion. Jesus challenged the status of many other things in society, why not those? Actually he did, as to the issue of misogyny. The Church recognized the rights of women when Roman society did not.”

            Your contention that “He must have SUPPORTED homosexuality and abortion” only indicates your desire to remake God, not learn what He wanted and follow Him.

            I was explaining why, given His attack on institutions of the day, it is wrong to assume that he said nothing about a particular issue because he lived in misogynist times. That would not have stopped Him.

          • HeilMary1

            For centuries, “Christians” persecuted people with Tourette Syndrome as willful satanists because “Christians” were profoundly ignorant of neurological disorders. The same willful ignorance applies to their demonizing of intersex LGBT folks and modern family planning.

          • Arekushieru

            Letting go of hate, doesn’t necessarily mean one’s life has become better. In a lot of cases it just means you’re a fool. SO sorry. And, no, YOU keep calling slavery good, freedom evil. Misogyny good, equal rights for women bad. OOOPPS.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It usually does. No, hatred doesn’t hurt the other person, only yourself.

            Again, you attempt to redefine good as evil, and evil as good. Thankfully, I look to the Church, rather than secular sources, for guidance.

            It isn’t equal rights for women to have abortions. It isn’t slavery to have children, and to think so indicates the problem you have in your definitions and thought.

          • Arekushieru

            You certainly have difficulty with reading comprehension, I see.

            Let me see if I can clear up this simple matter for even you: Hm, I see, I guess it isn’t rape to have sex. But, yes, yes, it can be. When it is FORCED. JUST LIKE slavery isn’t pregnancy. But, yes, yes, it can be. When it is FORCED. And coercing a woman to give birth certainly does that. Herp Derp.

            Treating her as if her only purpose is to procreate IS misogyny, ESPECIALLY given that men are not treated in the same manner, merely due to an accident of biology (or perhaps, like one of your friends on this board, you can’t understand simple terms like accident of biology, so, now, you will come back at me with a post that belies your total incomprehension. I certainly hope not, but I’m not holding my breath, otherwise).

            Perhaps you should go read some history of black slaves to comprehend just how brutally PREGNANT slaves were treated. Their worth, as you deem all women’s worth to be, was to procreate and give birth to even more slaves to work the fields or be sold.

            To think that no pregnancy can be forced, even when YOU are the one doing the coercing, even when YOU are the one who will be unaffected by the entire process, shows just how sick-minded you are and the problems YOU have in your definitions and thoughts.

            Abortion does grant a woman equal rights. It allows a woman to decide who uses her body and when and how it is used, just like everyone else may do, and use of deadly force during rape is an excellent example of this, AS WELL.

            Evil, good. Good, evil. For you guys, always.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It apparently makes you feel good to accuse me of lacking in reading comprehension, when all that happens is that I take what you say, and show where you misapply it.

            All you have shown is two things. First, you continue with childish writing style (Herp Derp), and that you have learned to completely redefine matters to change the world as you want it to be.

            No one here, except accusers such as you, have claimed that “her only purpose is to procreate.” This is a straw man, because you don’t have an answer for a world in which men and women are complementary to each other. You clearly appear to believe that the sexes are equal (I used to as well, but no longer do).

            “AHA! So you are a misogynist!”, you might say. Not at all. I have come to recognize that boys and girls are not blank slates that we impose environmental cues to, and they turn out as we want them to. They are biologically different.

            You seem to like the term “accident of biology”. I don’t. There is no such thing. The complexities of biology are hardly accidental. And the social sciences are not capable of redefining biology.

            I am not unaware of the brutality of slavery. That changes nothing about this conversation. I am also not unaware of the brutality of abortion. Their worth, as you deem all pre-born women and men’s worth to be, was to be expendable and retainable as decided by the female procreator alone. Sounds like slavery to me.

            I don’t think for a second that no pregnancy can be forced, any more than I think that no abortion can be forced. By your standards, it “shows just how sick-minded you are and the problems YOU have in your definitions and thoughts.”

            Abortion does not grant a woman equal rights. In your mind, it seems to allow her to lower herself to the basest of characteristics of some men. Does it allow “a woman to decide who uses her body and when and how it is used?” No. As you pointed out already, brutality still exists in the world, so there is no protection here. It does, however, allow you to join in the brutality. You are right about one thing – the “use of deadly force during rape is an excellent example of this.” If that is what you define as equality, no woman should want a part.

          • HeilMary1

            Abortion is the medical equivalent of gun ownership and tumor removal. You keep pretending pregnancies never maim and kill women, including your own wife.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Calling evil good is what modernists are doing, because they want to redefine what is.

          • HeilMary1

            Having all your organs shredded and poisoned by pregnancy is slavery and having violent autistic children is slavery.

        • Arekushieru

          Um, why are you using two unrelated premises to prove that one premise is wrong by using the other one? Especially when Pope Francis wasn’t using them that way? Pope Francis was NOT claiming that they weren’t equivalent because he denied that doctors should be able to perform them. Please. Think. Logically.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I have thought logically about this. I suspect you haven’t bothered to get a copy of the 15,000 word interview, and rely merely upon rhrealitycheck’s interpretation for you.

            The dogmatic and moral teachings of the Church are not at all equivalent. It is not equal, for example, to attempt to equate the moral wrongs of abortion, with the moral wrongs of capital punishment. When Pope Francis says that the “Church’s pastoral ministry,” the providing for others, should not be obsessed with transmitting a multitude of doctrines insistently, he indicates that we are called to serve others, and those doctrines will come in time.

            The Church cares for more people with AIDS than any other entity. They do not stop them as they enter the door and say, “your actions were immoral. You don’t deserve to live. But we will take care of you anyway.” They treat them. They love them. And, they show compassion by teaching Truth.

            Abortion is one of the Church’s non-negotiables, but it does not mean that we fail to show love to others who sin.

          • Arekushieru

            And I suspect you haven’t bothered to read what I’m actually saying. Your entire post proves it.

            Actually, the ‘moral wrongs’ of capital punishment and the ‘moral wrongs’ of abortion are in complete opposition to each other. Capital ‘punishment’ serves to undermine someone’s rights, abortion does not. It actually serves to support someone’s rights.

            Please, I have seen MORE condemnation of people with Aids from the Church than ANY other group. SO sorry.

          • DivineWordRadio

            What we seem to have established is that what you claim to see isn’t real.

            You are able, in your mind, to try to draw a distinction between capital punishment and abortion because as long as the fetus isn’t a person, then it is alright to terminate his or her life. If we were to decide that those who were convicted of a capital crime were no longer persons, then they too would have no rights, and therefore, no moral problem, correct? The problem here is in the definition of who deserves rights from you, and who doesn’t.

          • HeilMary1

            You oppose self-defense by women against killer fetuses.

          • HeilMary1

            Millions of people wouldn’t have AIDS if pedophile bishops hadn’t burned condoms to punish married couples. RCC hospices run by Munchausen by Proxy perp “Mother” Teresa forbade visits by gay friends to AIDS patients. How is that charity? Abortion is negotiable because it is SELF-DEFENSE!

    • HeilMary1

      You don’t know RCC history, wife killer.

      • DivineWordRadio

        I suppose you came here to post this because you wanted to show how openly disgusting you could be? You succeeded. And, of course, not one aspect of the post addressed any of the issue. Real surprise.

        • HeilMary1

          You’re the wife killer and pedo apologist, and you call ME disgusting!? And you expect to wow and convert other survivors here? Everyone is disgusted by your misogyny, bullying, malignant narcissism and infantile tantrums, Gene Church of Satan.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Thought you’d post it again in case I chose to ignore you? You really are sick. I suspect I’m the only male attention you get, so you are craving it.

            You are really sad.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re too repulsive and fascist for my morals.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And yet you keep coming back. No one in your life? Pity.

          • HeilMary1

            This web site is for pro-choice people, not deranged misogynist theothugs who murder their wives. You’re outnumbered here and don’t scare me. I am relentless in opposing thugs.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I responded to the Google link. I’d encourage them to be less public if they don’t expect Truth brought to their slanted articles. I’m aware that mental instability is a cornerstone for many of you.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re only bringing the stink of your bloody mother-killing, child-raping, Nazi-electing anti-Christ mafia. You won’t revictimize anyone here, wife killer.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I made a couple of valid posts here, and you brought your vile posts to this discussion about the Church, my Church. You think that if you just keep upping the ante with the name calling, you’ll get something of value out of it. I’ll pray for you. Someone needs to.

          • HeilMary1

            You posted nothing valid because you and your heresy mafia have only one goal: to re-enslave us in deadly incubation for you pedophiles. I see through your garbage, no matter how you dress it up.

          • DivineWordRadio

            We have the goal to have everlasting life in heaven with God. I’d love to have you make it as well.

          • HeilMary1

            You just want more dead brood mares for your holy pedophiles, heaven be damned.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry to see someone so bitter. You are truly sad. I’ll pray for you.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m praying that you get arrested.

          • DivineWordRadio

            If you got closer to God, your prayers might be more likely to be heard.

          • HeilMary1

            My prayers have been answered: Goddess inspired me to tune in to the Dr. Dean Edell Show where I learned about Munchausen by Proxy abuse. Then She linked me up with a Munchausen by Proxy abuse survivor who also lost the nose on her face by giving birth to her own Other Woman (fetus caused face cancer). Then She gave me jobs at publications where I collected discarded books on Vatican-Nazi collusion. When my new friend died, my friend became my book angel who led me to more books, including “Unholy Trinity” on the Vatican-Nazi ratlines. My prayers keep leading me to answers about who the real perpetrators are.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’d pray more. It seems your anger is misguided.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m praying that you abandon your pedophile death cult.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, you are welcome to do so. But I don’t see God wanting to have another lost sheep to join you.

          • colleen

            Wouldn’t it be FUN to go to church and hang out with folks like this? I can’t imagine why church attendance is taking such a hit.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Somebody must be liking it. The crowds are growing in the pews.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            All nine Catholic churches in the Frankford section of Philly are closed. The only RCC we can attend is in center city. Attendance is not increasing except in Africa.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not just in Africa. But, you are under the mistaken impression that Truth is whatever the majority wants it to be. It isn’t. So your point is irrelevant.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re under the fatuous impression that the truth is whatever you and your holy perps deign it to be.

          • expect_resistance

            You are being manipulate by saying “I’ll pray for you.” It’s insincere and manipulative.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Your statement is insincere and manipulative. I was not. I’ve even prayed for HeilMary1.

          • expect_resistance

            How is my statement insincere? Seriously what the hell is wrong with you? I take it your unemployed, have nothing to do, or are retired.

          • Arekushieru

            How ‘Christian’ of you. Praying for someone who didn’t ask you to pray for them. Oops.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Thank you. Jesus did that too. “Father forgive them. They know not what they do.”

          • Arekushieru

            Do you think slaves wanted an everlasting life of slavery? So, why do you think women would? HERP DERP.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Being a female human is not slavery, despite your radical feminist philosophy.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Radical feminist philosophy? Hello. 98% of Catholic women use contraception. Catholics are about 30% of the gen pop and Catholic women get 28% of the abortions in the US. It is you that is the radical here.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Actually, the Guttmacher Institute acknowledged that the stat is in error, but I agree that it is a majority of Catholic women. That is also irrelevant. A vast majority of Catholics have lied, and sinned in other ways. The Church is not about to say sinning or lying is acceptable as a result. They will say what we do is sinful, and that we should turn away from sin.

            By your standards, you say I’m a radical. So was Jesus.

          • Gary

            I think you may need to go the doctor and get you meds adjusted.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Me too. I don’t know why I’d want to have to listen to you.

          • colleen

            “I made a couple of valid posts here”

            You flatter yourself.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And have you had any valid points tonight?

          • Gary

            You know you really are a nasty little excuse for a human. I am all for the first amendment, you might remember that one. Little thing called separation of church and state. It also lets get on here and speak all you want, even if it is nothing bur drivel.

            If you do not want to get an abortion, don’t get one. If you do not like gay marriage, don’t marry someone of the same sex. If you want to be involved in politics, then make sure you church is paying taxes! They should never have had tax exempt status to begin with.

            I am always astonished that all you so called christians can spew more hate, and evil than any other religion I have ever seen.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Thanks for sharing Gary. Apparently you don’t actually understand that little thing about separation of Church and State. It was designed to protect the Church, not the State.

            If you don’t like rape, don’t rape someone. Sounds silly, doesn’t it? As to the issue of political affairs, just because you don’t like the way the system works, doesn’t entitle you to expect to silence someone. Amazing how one sided you appear to be on using Government as a weapon.

            Have you bothered to read anything that HeilMary1 has had to say? She’s called me a wife killer, misogynist (defined here as disagreeing with her), a pedophile protector, a monster, a corrupt dictator, and I’m the one with the problem of being a “so called christian” that spews hate. HeilMary attacks me for having a wife who died.

            You seem to have the same ability to confuse good and evil.

          • Gary

            I think that you need to go back to school and learn what the Constitution really says and read all the supporting documents. They made it VERY clear that the Separation was meant to protect religion and protect the government. You must remember that the founding fathers knew what kind of damage religion could cause in a government and how being allied with government could damage religion. You must also know that a great number of the founding fathers were not Christian. They had atheists, agnostics, deists, and others thrown in.

            I am responding to this one post because I want to make certain you understand me. I have no idea who you are, and the truth is I don’t really need to. You have shown yourself in your comments. I do not think that I attacked you personally, but I will look and delete said comment. You are attacking personally and the person you were talking to was saying some pretty rough things too. You invite it, with you unquestioning, your way or the highway attitude brings out the worst.

            I could care less if you go to church, that is fine. I will not and would not expect you to not make your opinion known. I do not want the government to do anything, but ensure equality. If you own a business you must not discriminate, if you work as a public servant you may not discriminate. Just like back when blacks and whites were not able to marry. Like back when blacks were not allowed to use the same water fountain, etc. In every case the racists back then use the same exact religious arguments that you are using.

            Serving a gay couple dinner in your restaurant is not going to send you to hell. I am always amazed at these arguments.

            As to the bible, I said Jesus never said a word about gays. Paul ran his mouth about a lot of things that really don’t square with some things Jesus said. You may chose to believe what you will and that is fine with me, just don’t try and force it down my throat.

            My girlfriend and I live together and are perfectly happy without a marriage license. Though she only just moved in a short while ago, we have been on and off again for a long time. If we went to courthouse and got married it would be just as legal as yours. If the state did not give you the license, your church marriage would mean nothing legally.

            I am going to bed now, have as nice day and like I said, you may believe what you want, but you can’t force me to believe what you do, the inquisition proved that.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Perhaps I could use a chance to go back to school, but my law degree says that I have an idea what the First Amendment is about. I agree with your partial assessment, that the Founding Fathers knew the danger of establishing a national religion. But they also knew something else. Most of the 13 colonies already had an established state religion, and the particular denominations were divergent. In fact, it was not until the 1830s that no state in this country had a state religion enshrined in their state Constitution.

            Gary, when you agree with HeilMary when she calls me names, you are joining in on the attack.

            Some things are only one way. Morality is not relative. And to contend that it is compassionate to claim that it is only belittles the person that you are ostensibly being compassionate to.

            You contend that you do not want the Government to do anything, but ensure equality. Does that mean you want to have laws against rape, murder, or theft? I suspect that you do. I agree with you. I also accept that abortion is the wrongful taking of another human life, and deserves the same protection for the weakest of individuals.

            You claim I’m making the same arguments as racists did. Which ones? I am not claiming that blacks, like a pre-born, are inferior, and under the control of another.

            I agree that serving a couple with same sex attraction at a restaurant does no send you to hell. But as you contend that you want the Government to stay out of things, except those things that you want them in, I believe that a doctor should have the right not to perform an abortion (sometimes he or she lacks competence and doesn’t do that type of practice, or find it morally objectionable), or photograph a same sex “marriage” (for moral reasons), and should be entitled to do so. I don’t particularly agree with public accommodations laws, because I am more of a libertarian in this regard. I believe religious freedom trumps public accommodation.

            As the the Church, and the Bible, Jesus did say something about marriage. In Mark 10:6-9, Jesus gave a clear example of certain expectations of marriage: 6“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” As to your claim that the teachings of Paul do not “square” with the teachings of Jesus, there have been thousands of great scholars over the last 2000 years who would disagree with you. And the Church, since its founding, certainly disagreed. Had the Church seen that the teachings of Jesus did not “square” with Paul’s writings, why place over half of the books in the New Testament, attributed to Paul, in the Bible at all? Christians believe that these are one.

            You grant me the right to “chose to believe what” I will, and that is fine with you, “just don’t try and force it down” your throat. How has someone done that to you? Is there a madrases or prison camp set up doing this? Or are you suggesting that religion should not be in the public square? In this country, we have freedom of religion, not just freedom of worship. The Soviet constitution provided for that! No, that these teachings might make you uncomfortable is something that you might want to reflect upon.

            You state that you and your girlfriend live together and are perfectly happy without a marriage license. Are you unwilling to give your all to her? Are you, or she, looking for an out, so that you don’t have to give all to the other? Men are called to give to their wife as Christ gave to the Church–a willingness to give your life for her. Are you there with your girlfriend, or are you using her for your wants and needs? I would encourage you to both legalize the relationship, and be willing to give her your all, if that is your desire. If it is not your desire to give her your all, please do not disrespect her by cheating her out of that type of relationship.

            As to the state issuing licenses, that came along long after the Church officiated matrimonial ceremonies. We think of going to the courthouse for records, but 200 years ago, matrimonial records were typically kept at the Church.

            I want to thank you for a level of civility in your post. While we do not agree, that is what tolerance is all about. Tolerance is not agreeing with each other, but respectfully disagreeing with each other.

            Oh, and I’d study up on the Inquisition if I were you. It was one of the most open, and least onerous, of any of the courts at the time.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            Things can be only one way for you, there are billions pf people who dont agree. the Catholic church doesnt run the country, we will live our lives they way we see fit, regardless of how you feel.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Truth isn’t democratic. And it never occurred to me that you wouldn’t do whatever you wanted to. You’ve made that clear.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            And I will keep repeating myself every time you come on here and comment on what you think we should all be doing.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As you wish.

          • HeilMary1

            You call everyone here names and make vile accusations, then whine when we call you out on your own admitted crimes! You defend the genocidal Inquisition and discrimination against gays, then call us bigots! Well you just keep on whining, because we’ll keep on dishing it back.

          • Arekushieru

            Um, no, that argument about rape would apply to YOU, not us. After all, YOU are the ones attempting to deny the right to bodily autonomy, NOT us. Logic fails you, once again, does it?

            Nope, misogynist is defined here as someone who hates women. Which you do. You ARE, by definition, a wife-killer, as it is used, here. After all, your wife DID die because of a deadly pregnancy, yet you’re peachy-keen to force all other women to endure similar pregnancies. So, one can only assume that you would be alright with doing the same thing all over again. What else DOES that make you, other than a wife-killer? Hmm? You ARE a pedophile protector. Because, apparently, anyone who disagrees with the Church is blasphemous. Opposing the child molestations would be going against the Church, btw…. So, three for three, so far! A monster? Heil Mary explained that below. 4 for 4! Corrupt dictator? Yeah, I’d say someone who wants to impose deadly pregnancies on other women, even though his wife died from such is a pretty corrupt dictator. 5 for 5! Wow. Conservative Christians actually CAN’T stand the truth of ANY kind.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Perhaps you didn’t understand the point. The point was, no one would think it was an acceptable answer to say, “If you don’t like rape, don’t rape someone.” In the same manner, saying “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have an abortion” means little.

            Well, at least we can agree on the definition of misogyny, even when you don’t know how to apply it.

            I’m not a wife killer. My wife died from a heart attack, brought on by missed medical care. Your bitterness is showing, because unlike HeilMary, you don’t know the story and have plowed in.

            I am opposed to killing babies to improve the quality of one’s life. My wife did not die because she had a baby. She died because she failed to receive appropriate healthcare.

            Then, following HeilMary’s lead, you decide to be a religious bigot.

            I’m not a pedophile protector. By your definition, the world would have about a billion of them.

            You attempt to put together, I suppose, a syllogism, which, by its construction, is false. Anyone who disagrees with Church teaching may be heretical, not necessarily blasphemous. Disagreeing with actions of individuals within the Church is neither. Then, to sound convincing (not to mention by hitting the caps button a few times), I am therefore a monster. Ergo, all Catholics are monsters.

            Corrupt dictator is defined by you as being someone who wants to impose deadly pregnancies on other women. Two problems with this. First of all, this is neither my position, nor the position of the Church. If a pre-born dies as a result of a medical procedure that is necessary to protect the life of the mother, then it is not an abortion. It is based upon the death of the child being a secondary effect. But again, you resort to redefining terms so that you can justify name calling.

            Sadly, you don’t know what the truth is, or simply don’t care.

          • HeilMary1

            Deadly childbirth killed your wife and since you haven’t claimed that anyone else fathered the kid, that makes YOU the sperm trigger puller, bucko. And you refused to learn from her death by supporting wife-saving contraception, etc. for all other women! Your harping on one small obstetric complication test doesn’t get you off the hook for OPPOSING ALL OTHER maternal death avoidance remedies! You have criminal Munchausen by Proxy psychosis with women and gays as your targets for medical abuse and negligence.

          • colleen

            I believe the confusion is yours.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then enlighten us as to where I’m wrong.

          • colleen

            we have been doing that.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry, but no.

          • colleen

            We understand. Why should you actually take the time to read and think about replies from people you treat like garbage.

          • HeilMary1

            You DID kill your wife, your are a misogynist because you insist all sex be deadly to women’s health (with your murdered wife as proof!), you brag about defending pedophile priests who whine about being caught, and you support theothug dictatorships. You whine because I have DEFINED you based on YOUR OWN statements.

          • Arekushieru

            “I’d encourage them to be less public if they don’t expect Truth brought to their slanted articles.”

            I’d encourage you to be less public if you don’t expect repudiation of your misogyny brought to your ignorant posts. Nothing even remotely related to ‘Truth’ at all in your posts.

            Hypocrisy and self-projection are a cornerstone for many of your ilk.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Again, the misogyny claim. Used by people who don’t want to talk about issues. I understand.

            I’m sorry, but my posts aren’t ignorant. I understand that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. Perhaps they see the world, and Truth, differently than you do.

            And I don’t seem to have the corner on self-projection.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            You know what else is truth? The Catholic church cant tell people when they can and cant have sex. Contraception has always been used and it will continue to be used. That must really bother you,think of all the nonexistent people I havent conceived.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It bothers me less about the people you haven’t conceived, than the one’s you may have, and then killed.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            So you are worried over something that wont happen because I use contraception? Thats sad.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not worried. Saddened for the lack of intimacy you choose to experience. Saddened that you believe that you should give a little less of yourself to someone else. Saddened that you think your personal satisfaction is all that matters. And that is sad.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Not everybody believes that about contraception. In fact, the overwhelming majority of women have used it at some point, Catholic women included.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m aware of that. But prior to 1930, all Christian and Muslim faith groups did.

            And to say, the majority of women have used contraception means nothing. The majority of women have lied or stolen something too. Yet, the Church still teaches that lying and stealing are wrong.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Well since I wasn’t around prior to 1930, that hardly matters. Denominations in my part of the country used to say that slavery was A-OK, and that changed too.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It matters by establishing that Church teaching is consistent with Christian teaching historically.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Different churches. You are Catholic. I am not. Your church of choice has nothing to do with mine. And that’s okay.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s ok.

          • HeilMary1

            The genocidal RCC has never been consistent about anything other than lying and covering up, wife killer.

          • goatini

            “Christian teaching historically” has been about the degradation and subjugation of females as chattel property breeding livestock.

          • HeilMary1

            The majority of people prefer to eat safe, inspected food. Does that make the majority gluttons? Contraception that avoids bladder and bowel-shredding childbirth injuries makes sense to anyone who isn’t a pedophile or wife killer like you. That you condemn our right to safe, non-disfiguring, non-suicidal sex reveals your own moral bankruptcy.

          • Ella Warnock

            “And to say, the majority of women have used contraception means nothing.”

            Oh, I think it does mean something. I think it means they’ve decided when and if and how many kids they’ll have.

          • HeilMary1

            They’ve decided they have the same equal right to life, health and safe sex that men have always enjoyed.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            And who is deciding whats important? You? Your church? No thanks.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, God, and His Church. But you are welcome to reject it.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            But I’ve already told you your church and God have no meaning to me. Why do you keep holding me to that institutions standards when I think is all nonsense? And you wonder why people here are calling you out.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Which standards are bothering you?

          • Amanda Kazarian

            All I have to do is read your comments and I can say that I want to be nothing like you. You keep implying that I’m a self involved person for making my own decisions and goals, but I don’t go around the internet and run my life trying to push my crap on other people. Who is really the self involved one in this situation?

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m sorry to hear that. I came to this article because it addressed Pope Francis’ interview, or at least a part of it. I posted two posts critiquing the analysis of the Holy Father. Since then, I have responded to a myriad of posts made in response to, or concerning, me.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            But you chose to comment back to other people in ways that gave away your judgmental attitude, whoops

          • DivineWordRadio

            If you choose to label people with your judgmental attitude, whoops.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            When did I label you? Because I said I dont want to be like you? Thats some ego you got there. I have said that your comments are rude and make you undesirable to talk to, note the difference.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I do deal with an ego. And you raise a good point about one thing, your responses are far less judgmental than others. You contend though, that it is judgmental to recognize that certain things are sinful. We are called not to judge the heart of another, but to judge their actions. The Church teaches that abortion, and contraception, are immoral. I accept that you do not see things that way. It doesn’t change how I do, or that I see no wiggle room in this. Would I be less rude if I were to lie about how I believe things to be?

          • Amanda Kazarian

            What makes you rude is telling people that their lives must be so empty and they must be so selfish because they don’t live according to your church, even though your church may mean nothing to the individual in question. That in and of itself is acting in a selfish manner. Keep in mind that although I don’t want to have anything to do with your church, I also have the right to judge you back. And I find your way of talking to the people on this site to be repulsive.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I believe that people miss out if they do not have children, particularly when they do so by choice. I’ve known many kind, giving people who had no children, and regretted this later in life. If you think you are fine in your state of life, then OK.

            But wanting the good I experience for others is not selfish.

            You have the right to find me repulsive. I choose to listen to what you say, because at times it is respectful, and to reject those portions in which I find you wrong. God bless.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            The point of what Ive been telling you is what you find “good” isn’t necessarily good for everyone. And if you are going to go around calling people wrong, be prepared to deal with whatever comes with that, including people calling you out and arguing with you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And what I am trying to tell you is that morality, and Truth, are not relative. I’m not here to condemn people, but to defend the Church, which is what this article was about. Because so many here have their own bigotry, or hatred toward the Church, it spills out toward me.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            But you have condemned people on this site anyway

          • DivineWordRadio

            Perhaps I have. Would you like to give an example?

          • HeilMary1

            Your child-raping, mother-killing death cult has made you an insufferable misogynist narcissist, and you wonder why you aren’t popular here? Are you that stupid?! Why would I want to cozy up to the very criminal mafia that disfigured and ruined me? Why would born intersex gays honor the Nazi protectors still persecuting them for being born as Goddess made them?

          • HeilMary1

            You are raging with misery over your dysfunctional family life. I know this because you wouldn’t be here spreading your misery if your home life was so idyllic.

          • goatini

            Now THAT was a very telling observation. Well done.

          • HeilMary1

            You rudely insist we all commit forced suicide like your dead wife and you wonder why we are appalled by your pedophile cult? You exploit fetuses to commit legal human sacrifice, and you throw boulders at our “lack of morals”?

          • HeilMary1

            Nobody with sense wants to be like your dead wife or ruined like your almost dead current brood mare.

          • HeilMary1

            Pompous wife killer you wanted a food fight and you got one.

          • Ella Warnock

            I think it’s impossible to gauge a couple’s intimacy level based on their parental status. I know parents who have great marriages, certainly equal in devotion and happiness to mine. I know couples who are barely hanging in their for the kids’ sake. Not much intimacy there, unless being intimate with misery counts. Your relationship with your partner comes down to a lot more than child rearing, I think, if you’re doing it right.

            Personal satisfaction is important, but most of us don’t exist in a vacuum. It’s also very important to care for my family and friends. I know quite a few people without kids who are integral parts of their social and familial circles. The truly selfish I know come in all flavors.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I don’t. Whether they have children or not, their openness to having them reflects an openness and intimacy in their relationship that I do not believe exists otherwise.

            It isn’t whether you have children, but are open to them, that I believe makes the difference.

          • Ella Warnock

            I think it’s an openness and intimacy that you’re likely unfamiliar with. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist; you just aren’t aware of it.

          • goatini

            I think he mistakes “openness and intimacy” for “dependency and obedience”.

          • HeilMary1

            And the termination of maternal life.

          • HeilMary1

            Your homicidal openness to your wive’s deaths is psychopathic selfish narcissism. Saint Lorena Bobbitt should fix you permanently.

          • fiona64

            I’m saddened that you’re such a goddamned busybody that you think you have the right to opine on other people’s reproductive decisions. You chose to have seven kids; other people do not have to make the same choice.

            OTOH, maybe you’re jealous. I’ll bet you are, actually. You’re jealous that other people aren’t stuck with seven mewling, puking brats just because some guy in a dress and Gucci loafers said they were supposed to be “open to life.”

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry that you feel sad.

            From what I’ve seen here, I certainly have no jealousy. Just pity.

          • fiona64

            Rest assured, I have pity aplenty … for your children, particularly any daughters you may have.

          • HeilMary1

            Obviously, your second wife has locked you out of the bedroom to avoid her own childbirth death, so livid, sex-starved you is venting your rage here.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m disgusted that you insist all sex be dangerous to women’s health because misogynist you demands that ALL women be DEAD like your unloved dead wife!

          • HeilMary1

            Can’t picture you or any fetal idolater being intimate with any mother disfigured with childbirth incontinence, vaginal flesh eating bacteria, sepsis limb amputations, female fetus-caused face-rotting cancer, and Sheehan Syndrome baldness, to name a few marriage-busting childbirth complications.

          • goatini

            You most emphatically have ZERO relationship with and understanding of “truth”. Who do you expect to win over to your cause with your vicious misogynist vitriol? Who do you hope to encourage the love of the Gospel in with your nasty misogynist diatribes? Bergiglio is referring directly to people like YOU in his interview – people like YOU who are stinking up the joint. Said Bergoglio: “If one has answers to all the questions, that is the proof that God is not with him.”

          • DivineWordRadio

            You have the right to be wrong. Again, you use the term misogynist, which you define as disagreeing with you. Of course, you are wrong, but you don’t let a little thing like truth stand in the way.

            What have I said in this article that is misogynist? That I am against abortion? If so, you will have to live with that fact.

            Pope Francis expects us to come approach with love. He does not expect us to change the Church’s long-standing position against abortion.

            Why do you have the answers to all the questions? I happen to know that God does.

          • goatini

            Projection, once again – you have been the party here who asserts having the answers to all the questions.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I am the party that contends that the Church handles matters of Faith and Morals. And that if we follow that, we are on the right path. I do not claim to know about a world of mysteries, including what my wife means when she looks at me “like that.”

            But contending that I am a misogynist is real projection, and a twisting of the meaning of a word where it does not apply.

          • HeilMary1

            Your opposition to our equal human rights is proof of your misogyny.

          • fiona64

            You don’t know anything about truth, Gene. That much is abundantly clear.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I certainly don’t know enough, but I do know about Truth. And you are entitled to be wrong.

          • fiona64

            And you are entitled to be delusional … although I understand that modern medicine has helped many people in your predicament.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Oh, and I thought I’d point out that you are lecturing me.

          • fiona64

            How? By pointing out that you don’t get to make medical decisions for other people?

            ROFLMAO.

          • Arekushieru

            Why do you think she’s craving male attention? Are you really THAT much of a misogynist?

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s me being catty. I was wrong for saying that. I don’t know what her motivation is for being vile and malicious.

            And again, the use of the term misogynist. Misogyny is the hatred of women. I don’t hate women. Therefore, I am not a misogynist. By your standard, anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, because you are of some race.

          • goatini

            Well, yes, you DO hate women who refuse to submit to mandatory Church-approved male ownership.

          • DivineWordRadio

            What does that mean? Was that an attempt to put together a bunch of negative-sounded words, and see what it looks like?

          • goatini

            Assertion of current RCC dogma as regards females: the only acceptable statuses for adult women are either as breeders, or as consecrated virgins, with both statuses to be held only under Church-approved male ownership. Fact.

            We’re not even fully Catholic, as we are eligible to receive only *six* Sacraments. Get ready for the revival of the female Diaconate – I’m betting Bergoglio will get the ball rolling on this one within the next 12 months.

          • DivineWordRadio

            First of all, if it is dogma, it cannot be changed. Only doctrine can be changed. Secondly, we are called to be open to life, through the sexual act in marriage, or to live a chaste life. That is true for men and women. When you use terms like “Church-approved male ownership”, I flashback to the 1970s. It sounds so quaint. And that is a fact.

            Yes, you, and I, are Catholic, in only being able to receive 6 sacraments. I am not entitled to the Sacrament of Holy Orders by virtue of being a man. I also must be called to that.

            A female diaconate is not going to happen, at least as you imagine it, since it requires ordination. I know the arguments that you are likely to make about this, but there is no proof of ordained female deacons in Church history. There is proof of deaconesses, whose jobs included assisting women to remove their clothes for baptism.

            But, I’m a gambling man, what do you want to bet?

          • goatini

            I said *eligible* to receive only six Sacraments. You are *eligible* to receive *seven* Sacraments. There is a difference, and the difference is that our genitalia, and our genitalia only, restrict us from being eligible to receive each of seven Sacraments just like males.

            And I predict that Bergoglio will reinstate the female Diaconate. It will initially be a Diaconate-lite, without ordination. But this will eventually change.

            This is the time of discernment.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I am only eligible to receive six Sacraments as well. I am not eligible to receive the 7th, because I am not apparently called to it.

            Yes, there is, and will always be, a difference in our genitalia, and whether women can be priests. They cannot be. Priests act in persona Christi. The Church is His bride. Sexual identity in this regard does make a difference. Jesus did not name a woman as an apostle. He certainly could have, having declared many things in opposition to the secular and religious world at the time. And it would not have been unique, in that other religions has priestesses.

            I predict that Pope Francis will keep the ordained priesthood, and diaconate, exactly as it is. He may have non-ordained deaconesses, which is fully permitted, but this cannot change.

            And, of course, I have no problem with discernment.

          • goatini

            Au contraire – my Confirmation saint was The Apostle To The Apostles.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And she was no real apostle. Even Augustine knew this. No woman has been ordained a priest, or apostle, or bishop in the Church. She was the first to see the Risen Lord. Jesus only called men to be apostles and to celebrate the Eucharist.

          • goatini

            Augustine? This Augustine?

            “Any woman who acts in such a way that she cannot give birth to as many children as she is capable of, makes herself guilty of that many murders.”

            “What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman… I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”

            Actually, sounds just like DWR.

          • CaroJays

            Hmmm. Seems Genieboy has no answer for this.

          • colleen

            I have no problem with discernment.

            LOL! just keep telling yourself that.

          • HeilMary1

            Mary Magdalene, Jesus’s wife, was an apostle, but the pedophile hijacking destroyed that trend.

          • goatini

            I think that you have no idea if the Christ named Mary Magdalene as an apostle, and I think you have no proof that the Christ did not name Mary Magdalene as an apostle.

          • rebellious grrl

            Now is the time when you might want to take your foot out of your mouth. You are a rude, arrogant, self righteous, a-hole. You are the one who is pathetic and very sad. You are the one who needs female attention. Craving your sick perversion of lecturing your self-righteous bullshit catholic babble. We see through your bullshit lies. We see the truth that you are a looser. You need to post on this site to make yourself feel better because you have no self-esteem. Pity.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And you thought you’d start by putting your foot in?

          • fiona64

            I’m sorry … I’m over here laughing my ass off now.

            Trust me, Gene. None of us are interested in you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God’s truth. Gene is disgusting. Ewww. Eww.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then why the post?

          • fiona64

            Good question, Gene. Why did you make a post pretending that HM (or, really, *any* woman with half a brain) wanted your “male attention”? Which, BTW, is just about as creepy and rape-y a thing to say as I can imagine …

          • HeilMary1

            Murderous creeps like you are a good excuse for celibacy.

          • CaroJays

            SHE is sad? you are just disgusting.

    • Amanda Kazarian

      And I will continue to have a healthy sex life that never results in children, there is nothing any Catholic can do to change that.

      • DivineWordRadio

        Taking a Group One Carcinogen does not add to a healthy sex life. And no, the Church isn’t going to change that. You simply have the right to be wrong.

        • Amanda Kazarian

          Ah the ol’ pill kills nonsense. Dont worry, women can be sterilized and enjoy a life time of sex within a childless marriage.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I understand your desire to be less than you can be. I certainly can do nothing to change that about you. As I’ve said before, you have the right to be wrong.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            Only less to you, Im filling my full desired potentional of my personal goals. The church has no say in what my goals should be.

          • DivineWordRadio

            So, to you, it is all about you. I see. You can try to fill the holes in the heart that way, but they are filled with cheap substitutes.

          • colleen

            The insincerity and shallowness just oozes off of you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry, but it wasn’t insincerity.

          • Jennifer Starr

            As I said before, I have no problem with anyone’s religion or childbearing choices. The problem comes when you try to force others to follow your religious rules.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And I am forcing you, how?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Shaming and blaming. Unfortunately for you and your authoritarian hierarchy, that tactic does not work so well anymore.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nice try. And not true.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Anyone can see you shaming/blaming right on this thread. And yes, shaming and blaming as a means of controlling people does not work so well anymore. You are having an awful time. You are less than canine refuse here. Of course, you are sick so any attention is better than no attention in your universe.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Thanks for sharing your bigotry with us. If you feel this strongly that what I want is attention, then why don’t you quit posting?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Think about it. You are not good a analyst of human motives but give it a try.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, you’ve said that you are Mary, and I suppose you are incapable of quitting posting.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I have made you my pet project for the moment. I find you fascinating. Sort of like a poisonous spider across the room.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s nice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I know you love it, shriveled and putrefying turnip that you are. You should get out more.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I took your advice and went out tonight. Thanks.

          • expect_resistance

            He he hehe. Your post made me giggle. What a great analogy. I just imagined my cat playing with a spider. I love your cat photo too.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Would I could do to PubicFocusRadio what I do to big black spiders – Squish!

          • HeilMary1

            I’ll just whip out my bug spray!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            It is definitely buggy.

          • Arekushieru

            She doesn’t care if you receive the attention, she’s just stating that that’s all YOU want. So, another big fat LIE from you. YOU are the bigot. Misogynists are bigots, after all. Yet another BIG FAT LIE.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, you’ve established you don’t know what a lie is, or what a misogynist is. And you have established that you are being malicious. But other than that, nothing.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have established nothing. You do not respond to facts. You twist words. You omit thoughts. You attempt to shame and blame. YOU LIE. That worked on me when I was a Catholic child. Does not work anymore.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I understand. My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the facts. Do you choose to ignore Church teaching that abortion is gravely immoral, a mortal sin?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I run my own conscience. I do not farm it out to YOU or Rome. That is why I do not have to lie and you must lie. I am enjoined by the church and God to follow MY conscience and that is my highest duty to God and myself. You will not seduce me into evil by pretending to be good and authoritative. That is a racket and you and Rome are engaged in it bigtime.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry, but that makes your actions no more moral. I haven’t lied. You have stated that you are in favor of abortion. That you are pro-abortion. That term does not mean that you want everyone to have an abortion, only that you believe that abortion is appropriate. It is not. The Church has not enjoined you to follow your conscience, but to follow an informed conscience.

            You are doing a good enough job of seducing yourself into evil by pretending that you have the ability to know, by yourself, what is right and wrong.

            I’ll pray for you Mary. I believe you are lost and hurting based upon your posts. It is hard to admit when we are wrong. I used to have the very position that you do. And I was wrong then too.

            God bless you, and may the Holy Spirit open your mind and heart, so that healing may begin. God bless.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do not pray for me. God might think I hang out with you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m praying for you because you appear to no longer know who God is.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I know S/He is not YOU.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m just following, you seem to be leading.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My love affair with God is private. You are not invited to the party.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do not pray for me. God might think I hang with you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then I’ll pray more.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I was right. You have no boundaries. You are capable of any crime because you have “god on your side.”

          • DivineWordRadio

            I have the boundaries provided by God. And you have the ones that you make up. Such as, killing babies is better than letting someone else take care of them.

          • HeilMary1

            Fetuses do not have the right to maim and kill their hosts, as much as you may detest adult women, psychopath.

          • goatini

            No babies ever involved in safe, legal pregnancy termination since all babies are already born. And women with unwanted pregnancies are not public baby ovens to be exploited by the barren, selfish, and greedy.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Another Forced Birther Pervert enjoying its fantasy of killing babies. And attempting to make its fantasy my fantasy. Not one of these dogies is sane. Not one.

          • goatini

            Good point. You surely do not need vicious misogynistic guilt by association with DWR.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Nobody needs DWR for anything. He does not even provide decent debate.

          • HeilMary1

            His second wife probably doesn’t want him either and that is why he is a rageaholic here.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I don’t know about that. I do know that I would not do him for any reason. Ewww. Not even money.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Argument from authority is a logical fallacy. Try again.

            In fact, answer this question. Why should I give birth to a child I do not want and/or cannot care for?

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry, but you are wrong. Argument from absolute authority is the Truth. And to claim to be a follower of the Truth, Jesus Christ, and yet, not follow such authority is a logical fallacy.

            You should give birth to a child you do not want and/or cannot care for, because you would be destroying a human life for your own convenience. Our society does not require that you take care of the child, and you can place the child up for adoption if you do not want, or cannot afford the child. And that is a moral choice for a Catholic.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I would never give a born child away to a stranger and hope for the best. That is completely irresponsible. Someone as crazy as you might get the child. I prefer abortion to child abandonment. I do not breed what I cannot feed. I am not a broodmare for the infertile.

          • DivineWordRadio

            In fact, 92% of women who consider abortion and change their minds keep the baby.

            You do breed what you can’t feed. You just kill them.

          • fiona64

            In fact, 92% of women who consider abortion and change their minds keep the baby.

            Citation needed. Thanks in advance.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Incorrect. Abortion and contraception are legal so we can study them as behaviors. 60% of unplanned pregnancies are gestated to term. See Guttmacher.

          • HeilMary1

            Catholic “orphanages” where the kids get starved, raped, experimented on, and beaten to death.

          • HeilMary1

            Since all abortions are self-defense, ALL abortions are moral, and your RCC is gravely immoral.

          • fiona64

            My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the facts

            Gene, I must thank you for your refreshing honesty. It’s uncommon to see one of the anti-choice admit that he is not interested in facts. Bravo.

            No, really.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re helping the GOP/RCC re-establish a Teabangenital theocracy here.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            Without knowing what my goals are, you made an assumption. Your church is a cheap substitute for making your own decisions as far as I’m concerned. And yes, my life is about me, you can’t make decisions for me. You also can’t come on this site, fling disparaging comments around, and not get called out for being a jerk.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And, as I said, you have the right to reject Truth.

            And, I suppose, call me a jerk.

            None of which changes the Truth.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            So you have the right to make assumptions, and then claim someone else is rejecting truth, gotcha.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I have the right to stick to Truth. Now I certainly have no problem believing I have made assumptions, and that those assumptions may be wrong. But of course, that doesn’t change Truth. Would you like to elaborate?

          • Amanda Kazarian

            Elaborating anything to you would be really stupid after seeing what kind of personality you have, no thanks.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I think I found the assumption you refer to – that anything is missing in your life. Of course, I think there is. And of course, you have the right to contend that it is not. And neither my assumption, or your counter, will change the truth at all.

          • Amanda Kazarian

            You can go around claiming you have truth, I don’t care but your disparaging comments and judgemental attitude is really repulsive to me.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I believe I have your position on this down.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have your truth. Only God is The Truth.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And that is the Truth that I have.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have YOUR truth. Only God is THE TRUTH. I hate to break it to you … wait for it … you do not speak for God. You are not God. And given the evil drivel you post here, when God gets a taste of you, S/He will spit you out. Ewww.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I have the Truth that comes from God. That is Jesus Christ. I don’t claim to speak for God, or to be God. I claim to follow Him. And your vile nature shows you to be a bigot Mary.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are evil. I can find no way to redeem you. You persist in your evil. You are the perfect example of what Martin Buber was talking about below.

            Since the primary motive of the evil is disguise, one of the places the evil are most likely to be found is within the church. What better way to conceal one’s evil from oneself, as well as from others, that to be a deacon or some other highly visible form of Christian in our culture.” Martin Buber, Good and Evil, page 111.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I am not evil. Nor are you in a position, as a pro-abortion person, to redeem me. You have proven nothing, other than your ability to cut and paste the same quote you posted on another article.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God will spit you out.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That is interesting. False, but interesting.

          • Arekushieru

            We are not Pro-Abortion, that would be just as anti-choice as YOU. We are pro-CHOICE for a reason. So, yes, big fat LIE.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You, and everyone from this site on, have chosen to label me anti-choice. You consider the term pro-abortion to be offensive, apparently. Perhaps because abortion is offensive. And so, if that is where you’ve chosen to call me a liar, perhaps you are the liar for choosing to call me anti-choice (which I have to wrap my head around, since I do not hear the term used much) instead of pro-life.

            Having previously been pro-choice in my life, I refer to one side of this issue usually as pro-life and the other as pro-choice. But you set the naming convention. I was just following it.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If you are confident you have the truth, why do you lie so much?

          • DivineWordRadio

            Examples?

          • DivineWordRadio

            Examples being?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Your lie about Sr. Margaret McBride is the perfect example. You lie so easily and naturally, you do not even know you are lying. You keep yourself ignorant of your sins. Probably the only way you can live with yourself.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I was correct about Sister McBride. However, it was not posted on this article, but another article.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We can stick to the lie you just told so we do not have to go back and forth between article responses. You saying I and everyone else here is PRO abortion is lie enough.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You are pro abortion. Where is the lie?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The nuns did not tell you that a lie by ommission is still a lie? I know they did.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Is this a repost? I think I already answered that question. I haven’t omitted anything. You seem to object to the term pro-abortion. I happen to object to the term anti-choice. You prefer the term to describe yourself as pro-choice. I prefer to be referred to as pro-life. But, since people here feel entitled to use the term which I find unfulfilling, I “choose” to use the term that effectively outlines the truth.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            A lie by ommission is still a big fat lie. A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth. You do not tell the whole when you describe my position.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It is not a lie that you are in favor of abortion. It is not a lie that the Catholic teaching against this is clear and unambiguous. It is a mortal sin, for which exclusion from heaven is the cost. But there is mercy from God, who awaits reconciliation with you.

          • HeilMary1

            If your false God opposed abortion for any reason, he wouldn’t cause all women to spontaneously abort 100% as they hit menopause. He also wouldn’t plaster the earth with hundreds, even thousands of natural abortifacients. Moreover, you’d be helping your current wife retrieve all her tampon “babies” for last rites and monthly funerals.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You start with a lie and go downhill Mary.

          • HeilMary1

            Your second “marriage” must be hell with all that abstinence, so you’re taking out your rage on us.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You assert I am PRO abortion. That is a lie by ommission. You are a liar.

            “I am PRO birth for any woman who wants to give birth. I am PRO abortion for any woman who wants an abortion. I PRO women being in charge of their own fertility and their own families without interference from the authoritarian or the sexually bent.”

          • DivineWordRadio

            “I am PRO abortion for any woman who wants an abortion. ” OK, you are PRO abortion. I am against abortion in all cases, making me anti-abortion.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Making you a murderer. And a liar. And opposed to your own church’s teaching on abortion. Wow, a trifecta of lying.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Making me a murderer? No. Nor a liar. You, on the other hand, claim to be a Catholic, yet deny the teachings of the Church.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Ectopic pregnancy anyone? You lied by hyperbole. You have no choice but to lie. Facts do not serve you and you do not respond to them.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And making abortion not a direct cause and not murder. You desire so much to make me out to be the liar, and instead, make yourself out to be the one willing to murder. Pity.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Link me to a case in which a doctor or woman was tried and convicted of murder for having an abortion in America. I will wait. If you do not provide one, we will know you are a LIAR.

          • DivineWordRadio

            “I am proud of my PRO birth position as well.” It is not a lie by omission. Apparently you did not grasp that concept any more than you grasped that it is gravely immoral to support, or have, an abortion.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Really? Stop pretending all religious folk are opposed to abortion and contraception. YOU LIE.

            Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother’s life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

            An unborn child has the status of “potential human life” until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother’s, because you cannot choose between one human life and another.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I am not pretending that the Catholic Church, and all traditional Christian teaching, states that abortion is sinful. The Church expressly teaches that it is gravely immoral. You claim to be Catholic. The Catechism of the Catholic Church addresses this in paragraphs 2271 to 2275:

            2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

            You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

            God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

            2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,”77 “by the very commission of the offense,”78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society. (1463)

            2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation: (1930)

            “The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.”80

            “The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined…. As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights.”81

            2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

            Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, “if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safeguarding or healing as an individual…. It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence.”82

            2275 “One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing, the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.”83

            “It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material.”84

            “Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity”85 which are unique and unrepeatable.

            Were you planning on changing religions since you couldn’t abide by this one?

            By the way, orthodox Judaism generally prohibit abortion, and, like Christianity, those who step away from orthodoxy tend to make up their own rules and interpretations to allow them to do that which they were not allowed to do.

            Your statements about “potential human life” are false. If this is your position, don’t insult Catholics by calling yourself one.

            You seem to have an interest in Judaism, and, it appears, Reform Judaism. Shopping to find someone who might match up with your lifestyle?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No thank you. I will have hot earth shaking thigh melting sex. I will use contraception. If I become pregnant, I will gestate or abort as I see fit. Not as you see fit. I will not be consulting you or Pope Frankie about how i do that.

            My position is the position of Catholics. Catholics are the church. Rome needs to catch up.

          • DivineWordRadio

            So you choose to say no to the Church, and to God’s teaching. Quit impugning then, the Church, by calling yourself a Catholic. You are not.

            Your position is not the position of Catholics. Truth isn’t a democracy, and you don’t write the rules.

            You do have the right to choose. You have the right to choose to ignore God’s teachings, and defiantly live as you choose. But that is only a CINO–Catholic in Name Only.

            If you are no longer close to God, it isn’t because He moved, but because you have.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I will always be a Catholic. I am baptized and confirmed. Deal with it.

            “Dogmatism is by far the best fall-back defense, the most impregnable castle, that ignorance can find. It’s also a dead give-away that the person doesn’t know why he believes what he believes.” [Book 2006] The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer

          • DivineWordRadio

            Hope to see you in heaven and not in hell. Don’t turn on Christ’s Church is arrogance. Consequences may ensue. God bless.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Here is the thug apeaking. Be good or God will get you. And I will tell you what good is and administer the punishment for doing bad for God because I am the one who knows what Boss God wants. Pathetic.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Here is the DivineThug warning me that God will get me if I am not obedient. And letting me know that he knows exactly what God wants and he will administer the punishment for not doing what Boss God wants because he is God’s bullyboy. Puke.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If you come anywhere near me or my female children to enforce your agenda in real life, I will shoot you like any rabid dog. I would feel bad about the dog.

          • fiona64

            Hope you aren’t in for a big ol’ surprise on your final day. A whole slew of the self-appointed elect will be, after all …

          • HeilMary1

            Wife killers and pedophile protectors have no moral authority to bully additional deadly pregnancies on women. Jesus would be writing your own sex offenses in the sand if he were here. Since he’s not, I’ll do my best to expose your sex offenses.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As you don’t believe in Jesus, why are you trying to share with me what He is or isn’t doing. And you are clueless.

          • HeilMary1

            I believe he existed historically and that you are disobeying his basic message.

          • HeilMary1

            Then why hasn’t the “know-it-all” RCC also banned caffeine, alcohol and tobacco? Because the HERETIC RCC is run by and for PEDOPHILES.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Easy answer. Caffeine, alcohol, and tobacco are not intended for the direct purpose of abortion. If you used any of these items, a coat hanger, or crocodile dung with the intention of aborting a child, you would be acting immorally. Oh, and you lack of causation in your argument labels you clueless.

          • HeilMary1

            But you fetal idolaters have made ZERO attempts to warn the public, condemn, or criminalize such ubiquitous natural abortifacients. You don’t practice your own crapola.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Partial list of religious groups in support of abortion:
            American Ethical Union
            American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee
            American Humanist Association
            American Jewish Committee
            California Catholics for Free Choice
            Catholics for a Free Choice
            Central Conference of American Rabbis
            Community of Christ
            Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion
            Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
            Kentucky Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
            Moravian Church in America-Northern Province
            Na’Amat USA
            National Council of Jewish Women
            North American Federation of Temple Youth
            Presbyterian Church (USA)
            Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
            Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice of Massachusetts
            Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom
            The Union for Reform Judaism
            The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
            United Church of Christ
            Unitarian Universalist Association
            Women of Reform Judaism
            Women’s American ORT
            United Methodist Church

          • DivineWordRadio

            Meaning what? That people can create religious groups that are wrong, or that religious groups that historically stood against abortion (that would be all Christian denominations prior to 1930) might cave to evil influences? Abortion is sinful and gravely immoral. Time doesn’t change that.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Partial list of religious groups in support of abortion:
            American Ethical Union
            American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee
            American Humanist Association
            American Jewish Committee
            California Catholics for Free Choice
            Catholics for a Free Choice
            Central Conference of American Rabbis
            Community of Christ
            Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion
            Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
            Kentucky Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
            Moravian Church in America-Northern Province
            Na’Amat USA
            National Council of Jewish Women
            North American Federation of Temple Youth
            Presbyterian Church (USA)
            Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
            Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice of Massachusetts
            Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom
            The Union for Reform Judaism
            The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
            United Church of Christ
            Unitarian Universalist Association
            Women of Reform Judaism
            Women’s American ORT
            United Methodist Church

          • fiona64

            What’s with the giant wall of proselytization?

            Insecure much?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You LIE again. You cannot stop. How amusing. You are out here lying in front of God and everybody while lying about whether you are lying. What a hoot.

            You do not respond at all to factual statements. You lie. You shame and blame. You are a thug masquerading as a religious person.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Again, you don’t know what a lie is, any more than you appear to know what your Catholic faith is.

            You are getting more brash, because the Truth hurts.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I just posted what a lie is. You lie. It is not “brash” to speak the truth to a liar.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sadly you refuse to see truth. The truth is that you are pro-abortion. You have said so. Abortion is gravely immoral. It violates Catholic teaching, with no wiggle room on this issue. You’ve lost the Truth. Please find it.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Lie by ommission. Sorry to bore everyone by demonstrating your lie again.

            “I am PRO birth for any woman who wants to give birth. I am PRO abortion for any woman who wants an abortion. I PRO women being in charge of their own fertility and their own families without interference from the authoritarian or the sexually bent.”

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nothing it omitted there, and it says the same thing–you are pro-abortion. Are you contending that you should get credit because you are pro-life for anyone who wants to have a baby? Giving people whatever they want is not what God calls for from us. Why do you choose to turn your back on Him? Don’t you know that He loves you, but, as He stated with the woman accused of adultery, “Go, and sin no more.”

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God has genitals? Do tell.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As the Son of God, He did.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. Jesus did not believe in it either. Jesus was a Jew. It would have been anathema to a faithful Jew. This idea is the single most damaging pagan idea that was ever attached to Jesus teaching.
            Sh’ma Yis’ra’eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
            Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus, and are Catholic? I’d say mixed up is more like it. There are a lot of Jews who are Catholic. The Church was started by them.

            And you are clearly off the mark.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You do not get to set the mark for me. You are not in charge of my “race.” In fact, there is no race. God loves me absolutely.

          • HeilMary1

            He would tell you to stop imposing unwanted deadly fetuses on women whom you hope will die as a result.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It must be a shame that God doesn’t do what you want Him to do.

          • HeilMary1

            God/Goddess doesn’t obey YOU either!

          • HeilMary1

            There is plenty of wiggle room, but you refuse to see the obvious.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Let’s see…. The person who isn’t Catholic, lies about what the Catholic Church is about, and who has an unacceptable standard for right and wrong will now tell me “there is plenty of wiggle room, but you refuse to see the obvious.” You are wrong. I see the obvious, and it is that you know nothing about the Truth.

          • HeilMary1

            You ignore that Jesus said NOTHING about abortion, contraception and intersex people.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Why would you want to force or slutshame an immoral woman into giving birth to a child she does not want and/or cannot care for? That is sane. Sure it is. Do you hate children?

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, but you appear to. The taking of another life because one is “an immoral woman” doesn’t change her status of immorality, nor does it improve matters. It simply takes another life.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not become two people the moment the spearm hits the egg. That is biologically and logically ridiculous. “Another” can stand next to me and help me kick your ass. Not that I am not doing an excellent job.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sadly for you, you do. “Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).”Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being.”
            [Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2] .

            It isn’t biologically or logically ridiculous.

            But I would call for help too, to get comfort from those who also are comfortable with this lie.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            60% of those fertilized ova will be aborted by God. I am following in God’s way. All die. God loves death. Well, that is not quite right. God is indifferent to death.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You either really don’t get it, or are malicious because you don’t want to face the Truth. I suspect it is the later. Life belongs to God, to take or grant. But for those who it is granted, there is the prospect of everlasting life. And we do not have the authority to act as God in this regard.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We get the god we deserve. You are not my teacher.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You may have hit upon something for which we can agree. Each of us will get the God we deserve. I pray that you deserve mercy, rather than justice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I asked you not to pray for me. You have no boundaries at all. HeilMary is not too extreme when she describes you as a murderer at heart. You are a thug.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And as I’ve said, Jesus didn’t ask for permission to pray for those who persecuted. He asked, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are not Jesus.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are not Jesus.

          • HeilMary1

            Then women don’t God’s permission to drink abortifacient caffeine and holy wine? Or breath abortifacient second hand smoke promoted by the tobacco-defending GOP?

          • DivineWordRadio

            You really are sick and twisted. Pity.

          • HeilMary1

            Are you comfortable with the trillions of caffeine-induced abortions, and the obvious fact that YOUR God is OK with them too, cherry picking hypocrite?

          • DivineWordRadio

            As always, your numbers come out of thin air. Pity, and sick.

          • CaroJays

            It appears that “pity” is your favorite way to end a comment that you don’t have any real argument for. Pity.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re doing an excellent job! I don’t have a working internet connection at home to have helped out over the weekend.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            TY. I must make amends. i did not know the history of Gene Church on RH Reality Check. So I basically agreed with all you stances, but I thought you were a little over the top. I was wrong. He is a disgusting pervert and a thug.

          • HeilMary1

            No problem! I think I have Cassandra’s Curse (like everyone else!) — the unbelievable truth is hard to take in, especially when we are distracted by immediate obligations, etc.

          • HeilMary1

            ALL abortions are self defense.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Correct. Abortion is 14 times safer than giving birth. I get to decide when, where, if and how I gestate any fertilized ova to term. No one will decide for me.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Tells me all I need to know about your evil heart.

          • HeilMary1

            Your DEAD wife and contempt for intersex folks is all we need to know about your evil heart.

          • HeilMary1

            It is gravely immoral for YOU to use fetuses as fists to murder unwanted wives. That is why our Goddess gave us countless natural abortifacients. You won’t even atone for your first wife’s avoidable murder. After all, just because you were married didn’t mean your abstinence-only Josephite marriage-pushing RCC actually ALLOWS you to have sex!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Your stupidity is showing. And you lack of reading comprehension.

          • HeilMary1

            Says the WIFE KILLER!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I met God. I did the meditative work of The Practice of the Presence of God and it bore fruit. I got to stand for one short and endless moment in God’s Light. You do not possess what you profess.

          • fiona64

            “The Practice of the Presence of God” is brilliant.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Who shoul “it” be about? YOU? No thank you. I come first.
            “If I am not for myself, who will be for me?” – Hillel

          • DivineWordRadio

            “But if I am only for myself, who am I?” – Hillel

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am Mary. And I have learned that taking the very best care I can of MYSELF results in taking the very best care of everyone around me. Truth is the kindest and most benevolent force in the universe.

          • DivineWordRadio

            So you post under two names. That’s nice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Reach, little piggy, reach. Poor thing.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And what does that mean?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I have a personal name. You do not? Your Mother christened you DivineWordRadio. Interesting. Crazy, but interesting.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I apologize. I misunderstood. I thought you meant you were HeilMary1. My name is Gene Church. The Divine Word is Jesus Christ.

          • HeilMary1

            Mean Gene Church of Satan!

          • Arekushieru

            Wrong goalposts, as usual. Notice how the first reference did NOT use the word only? Oops. Another BIG FAT LIE.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Again, you don’t know what a lie is, bur you do know how to spew malice. You didn’t even appreciate that I would quote Hillel as well. Pity.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I know what a lie is. And you have told a number of whoppers:

            A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally.[1] A barefaced (or bald-faced) lie is one that is obviously a lie to those hearing it. A Big Lie is a lie which attempts to trick the victim into believing something major which will likely be contradicted by some information the victim already possesses, or by their common sense. To bluff is to pretend to have a capability or intention one does not actually possess. Bullshit is often used to make the audience believe that one knows far more about the topic by feigning total certainty or making probable predictions. An emergency lie is a strategic lie told when the truth may not be told because, for example, harm to a third party would result. An exaggeration (or hyperbole) occurs when the most fundamental aspects of a statement are true, but only to a limited extent.

            A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may employ some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade,blame, or misrepresent the truth. An honest lie (or confabulation) is defined by verbal statements or actions that inaccurately describe history, background, and present situations. Perjury is the act of lying or making verifiably false statements on a material matter under oath or affirmation in a court of law, or in any of various sworn statements in writing. White lies are minor lies which could be considered to be harmless, or even beneficial, in the long term.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You provided a definition. You didn’t provide the Truth. The Truth is that abortion is gravely evil, and a mortal sin. And you choose to be pro-abortion. It is a sin for which heaven can be excluded. And mercy and forgiveness is available, if you want it.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have your truth. We have seen the nature of your “truth.” No other argument needs to be made now.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No it doesn’t. You know the Truth. You choose to ignore it. God bless you.

          • HeilMary1

            YOU keep ignoring that Jesus had no problem with midwife abortionists. Only pedophiles and wife killers oppose abortions for self-serving criminal reasons.

          • colleen

            The Catholic ideal for women is complete self abnegation and a superhuman capacity for cognitive dissonance..

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            LOL. Well said.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, abnegation comes from trying to make a woman less feminine by separating sex drive from procreation. That is where cognitive dissonance comes in.

          • jejune

            Or an 8 year old girl, right DWR?

            The 8 yo you think should be FORCED to undergo birth, even if it rips her in half.

            Sicko.

          • Jennifer Starr

            A woman who has no children is just as feminine as a woman who has one, or many. Our value as women is so much more than our sexuality or ability to make babies. It’s insulting to state otherwise.

          • HeilMary1

            Obstetric incontinence is hardly feminine. You misogynists used to burn such mothers at the stake for devil’s marks.

          • fiona64

            So, only women who get pregnant are “feminine”?

            How ridiculous. And I speak as someone with a 27-year-old son. Believe me, the hyperemesis gravidarum did not make me feel more “feminine.”

            What a load of horse hockey you deposit …

          • goatini

            Procreation is not a “feminine” activity. It is a biological activity of which livestock are capable.

          • colleen

            Just think! Michelle Duggar is the most ‘creative’ female EVER!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Certainly not the most.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Apparently in your world, the woman who can crank out the most sprogs wins.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, but choosing not to have children can be a major loss, both in the life of the person who makes that choice, and the children who lose the chance to benefit from being raised by that person.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Choosing to have or not to have children is no one else’s business.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Choosing to do away with them is. I pray for those who make these decisions. I know that they are not easy decisions for most. Often they are pressured, financially, emotionally, by boyfriends, parents, employers. And a system that makes this easy is no more right.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Only using birth control is not ‘doing away with them’.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I didn’t say it was. Nor did I come here trying to address contraception. Although, some contraceptives do have abortifacient qualities about them.

          • fiona64

            You’ve been asked repeatedly to provide backup for this assertion, and you have failed miserably. You really should lay off … especially as you and yours are trying to pressure and coerce women into remaining pregnant against their wills and against health recommendations from medical professionals — which, I hasten to point out, is a group that does NOT include you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You should lay off trying to pressure and coerce women into thinking abortion is a proper choice.

          • fiona64

            Since I’m not doing that, you can now tell your confessor that you bore false witness against me. I have repeatedly stated that I support *all* women’s reproductive decisions, specifically because I cannot know anyone’s circumstances but my own. I lack the hubris to tell another woman what she should or should not do with a given pregnancy.

            A lesson that you could stand to learn, Gene-o.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That you support *all* women’s “reproductive decisions” means you support abortion. I don’t lack the good sense to tell a man or woman not to steal, or to rape, or to murder, and certainly not to have an abortion. You apparently consider that hubris.

            A lesson you could stand to learn.

          • jejune

            You support the ‘right’ of a pre-teen to be forced to give birth to her rapist’s baby you depraved sicko.

          • fiona64

            That you support *all* women’s “reproductive decisions” means you support abortion.

            Let me spell it out for you again … because you’re only partly correct. I support a woman’s right to make her own decisions re: contraception use or non-use, gestation or termination, non-coerced adoption or rearing alone or with a partner of her choice.

            Those are, quite literally, *all* of the options.

            You’re really Mister No-Choice, because you want to outlaw contraception and abortion, and force women to have more children than is healthy for them … because, as I’ve already pointed out, some celibate guy in a dress and red Gucci loafers says so.

            I really do feel sorry for you, Gene-o, but I feel much more sorry for your wife and daughters.

          • DivineWordRadio

            We aren’t coercing anyone. Coercion occurs by those promoting abortion.

          • jejune

            Really?

            And I will ask, again, why you sold force an 8 year old – or younger – to give birth to her rapist’s offspring?

            That SURE sounds like coercion to me.

          • fiona64

            Citation needed. I’ve already provided citations (repeatedly) that demonstrate that CPCs use coercion, etc. You are surely capable of doing the same thing. I think you’ve only been asked half a dozen times now, and so far you haven’t managed to come up with a single thing.

            I wonder why that is …

          • HeilMary1

            Forced birthing is coercion.

          • fiona64

            If someone choose not to have children, there is no one who will “lose the chance to benefit from being raised by that person.”

            Non-existent children ::wait for it:: DO NOT EXIST.

          • Lynnsey

            I once had one of these nutters insist that my children would have been sad if my mother had aborted me…

            They seem to have trouble with this concept.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s nice.

          • fiona64

            It’s a cold, hard fact. I know, you don’t much care for those … but there it is.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I wouldn’t expect to find them here.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh I find her kind of puke provoking. Imagine what her labia and vagina look like. They probably flap in the breeze like an untethered awning. Her husband enters and has to say “Am I in yet.”

          • fiona64

            It must be like flinging a Vienna sausage down the center of the Gare du Nord …

          • HeilMary1

            Which is why NFP husbands justify their adultery and annulments.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So, her not wanting to have a child makes her ‘less than she can be?’ Tell you what, Gene–why can’t you be content with following your own doctrine and living your own life without worrying about how others choose to live theirs?

          • DivineWordRadio

            I haven’t seen any of you not willing to give me advice. I came here to post a clarification about Pope Francis’ interview, of which this article contains less than 1 percent of.

          • goatini

            I’ve been sharing it quite liberally. It was such a pleasure to read. I never thought we’d have a Jesuit Pope, and I remain hopeful that there is fruit to bear on the vine for all the Faithful.

          • DivineWordRadio

            While we might disagree upon what that fruit will be, we can agree that it is a pleasure to read, being glad to have a Jesuit Pope, and being hopeful there is fruit to bear on the vine for all the Faithful. God bless.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re hoping he’ll bring back the Inquisition.

          • fiona64

            Because he has appointed himself as the High Holy Arbiter of All Things and Saintly Busybody(TM).

          • fiona64

            So, you maintain that a woman is not “really” a woman unless she has children? I’m sure that the infertile, post-fertile, and those who just plain ol’ don’t want children are delighted to learn what a real “Christian” you are.

            Other people’s reproductive decisions are 100 percent none of your business.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As is typical for most of what you post, you misinterpret and mistake what I say.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No. You argue in the typical sly way the Catholic hierarchy has perfected. You shame. You blame. You lie by ommission. You speak for God. You twist words and thoughts.

          • DivineWordRadio

            It is simple. Abortion is specifically prohibited. It is gravely immoral. It is a mortal sin. You can go to hell for it. Have I been clear on Church teaching on this issue?

            The Church does provide the teachings of God, and you know that.

            There is nothing to twist here.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yes, you are simple. You lie. Worse than lying to others is lying to yourself. You have all my sympathy.

          • DivineWordRadio

            This is not a lie. You choose to be in favor of abortion. It is sinful. It is a mortal sin, that is gravely immoral. And nothing you are saying changes that.

            When you are ready for forgiveness the Church is here for you to receive Christ’s mercy. God bless.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “I am PRO birth for any woman who wants to give birth. I am PRO abortion for any woman who wants an abortion. I PRO women being in charge of their own fertility and their own families without interference from the authoritarian or the sexually bent.”

          • DivineWordRadio

            You just don’t get it, do you. “I am in favor of letting people I like live, and I am in favor of murder for people I don’t like.” That would be the opinion of the typical murderer.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Ad hominem is poor argument. You are getting desperate. I enjoy that.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Just repeating your words. It must make you uncomfortable. Or not. Since reading about your faith journey, it appears you are all over the place, and Catholic is one of those places you may have left.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If abortion is murder, you will have no trouble pointing me to a case in which a woman in the US was tried and incarcerated for murder because she had an abortion. And I am sure you can provide me with a murder case against a doctor who provided abortion.

            I will wait. I know you can do it, because if you cannot do it, YOU LIED AGAIN. Fetus fetishists do not have an argument against abortion that is not lying or shaming/blaming. I challenge you to produce an argument that is not a lie or a shame/blame.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Killing Jews in Germany was murder, yet there was no law on the books against it. In fact, during the Nuremberg trials, it was necessary to contend that certain actions violate natural law, creating the term “crimes against humanity.”

            And, as always, you don’t know what a lie is.

          • HeilMary1

            You favorite poops, Paul VI and Nazinger, were Nazis.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Why do you lie like this?

          • fiona64

            Godwin again.

            As has been pointed out, the anti-choicers have Hitler in *your* side of the scoreboard. He demanded that the “right” women be forced to give birth. Lebensborn is your wet dream, Gene.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope. Your wrong, but get used to it.

          • fiona64

            Your wrong,

            My wrong *what,* Gene-o?

            You need to learn the difference between a declarative and a possessive if we’re going to get anywhere in this conversation.

            I’m guessing you have no idea what Lebensborn even *was.* Allow me to rectify this unfortunate gap in your education. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Lebensborn.html

            Quote: “Lebensborn” translates to “wellspring of life” or “fountain or life.” The Lebensborn project was one of most secret and terrifying Nazi projects. Heinrich Himmler founded the Lebensborn project on December 12, 1935, the same year the Nuremberg Laws outlawed intermarriage with Jews and others who were deemed inferior. For decades, Germany’s birthrate was decreasing. Himmler’s goal was to reverse the decline and increase the Germanic/Nordic population of Germany to 120 million. Himmler encouraged SS and Wermacht officers to have children with Aryan women. He believed Lebensborn children would grow up to lead a Nazi-Aryan nation.

            There’s more, but I trust you are able to click the link.

            So, you see, Gene-o … the whole thing was very anti-choice. “Racially pure” women were forced to have children, and those who were “impure” were forced not to. And that, my friend, is really what you advocate without even understanding it. The organization with the power to force women to have children also has the power to force them *not to.* It’s two sides of the same coin: your coin.

          • jejune

            No, she’s right in fact.

            Just like you, Hilter decided that GOVERNMENT should make reproductive decisions for women.

          • jejune

            You believe that natural law = raping little girls and forcing them to give birth.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So you cannot prove abortion is murder. YOU LIED AGAIN.

          • Arekushieru

            Because it fit with the entire definition of murder, except for the fact that it was LEGAL. Y’know, kinda like the death penalty. That the majority of the most VOCAL Pro-Lifers actually SUPPORT. Oops. Abortion, however, does NOT fit the definition of murder. If you want to make it illegal, then you have to make organ donation mandatory, rape legal, make ALL war illegal (again, my point concerning Pro-‘Lifers’ about the death penalty also applies) and abolish the death penalty. If you want to make abortion killing, then you have to talk to legal/medical professionals that currently view killing as the cause of death, NOT what amounts to cutting a rope that ties two people together on a mountain, causing one person to fall. If you want to make abortion intentional, you should also make contracting cancer intentional. If you want to make abortion malicious, talk to kids who are abused by women who gave birth. Now, THERE’S maliciousness for ya. DERP.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Oh, and this would meet your request for such an argument.

          • HeilMary1

            You favor murdering women in incubating slavery, WIFE KILLER.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • Arekushieru

            Yup. And THAT is where the idea that killing Jews is not murder finds its contemporary equivalent. The idea that killing women by forcing them to give birth is not murder, because of, and ONLY because of, the fact that it’s LEGAL.

          • fiona64

            Your desperation stinks on ice … as does your straw man.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s nice.

          • fiona64

            Bless your little heart.

            See? I know what it means when a good ol’ boy says “that’s nice.

            Eff you, too, Gene-o.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not recognize the church’s right or ability to “forgive” me. Or to condemn me. I responsibile for my own sins. I am responsible for my own redemption. You will have to offer your gift box with nothing in it to someone more credulous.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That is probably the sin against the Holy Spirit. And God gives you that choice.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Sh’ma Yis’ra’eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
            Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.

          • HeilMary1

            Your killing your wife is immoral and unforgivable. You could have practiced a completely sexless marriage, and she’d still be alive. You should be practicing complete abstinence like the Shakers who borrowed from the RCC.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Take your meds.

          • Arekushieru

            Wrong, slavery is a sin. Funny how Jesus spoke against that, huh? Cause, if he then spoke against abortion, he was speaking FOR slavery. OOOPPPS. When you are ready to turn away from Satan, GOD will be there for YOU to receive Christ’s mercy. Don’t presume to give God’s blessing to those who don’t request it. That is not Godly.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You and the RCC can prohibit anything it suits your fancy to prohibit. I am not concerned about your rules. I reject them. They are a man’s idea of what is ethical. Men do not experience pregnancy, childbirth or motherhood. You no play the game, you no make the rules.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not anything, but Jesus did say, “What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.” When you reject the teachings of the Church, you reject Christ. Whether you like it or not, we are involved in “making the rules.”

          • HeilMary1

            I’ll bet you miss the Inquisition!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You no play the game, you no make the rules.

          • HeilMary1

            Priests who force abortions on their mistresses and rape victims are NEVER excommunicated, so the RCC practices double standards. Your RCC also practices genocide. Your RCC speaks for Satan, not God or Goddess, and that is very clear.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Priests can’t force abortions, and yes, if someone did force an abortion, they are automatically excommunicated, as with those who procure them, and directly assist in the acquisition of an abortion. Nope, no genocide. And the Church represents Christ, but I can see, given your limitations, where confusion could occur.

          • jejune

            However, you believe that priests should be able to force birth, right? Even if it’s on an 8 year old victim of rape.

          • HeilMary1

            The Philly grand jury and Dr. Richard Sipe have come across many women forced to get abortions by priests.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yes, that is in the flirst Grand Jury Report on the Abuse of Children from Lynn Abraham.

          • Arekushieru

            Learn to history. No, the Church does NOT represent Christ. It presumes to speak FOR him.

          • fiona64

            You were the one who said women who did not have children were being “less than they could be.” That’s pretty hard to misinterpret, buddy …

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not at all. Women who choose that often lose out on an important opportunity. But each of us gets to decide what to do with the opportunities in front of us.

          • jejune

            fiona wrote: “You were the one who said women who did not have children were being
            “less than they could be.” That’s pretty hard to misinterpret, buddy
            …”

            Seconded.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You did. That’s nice.

          • Ella Warnock

            You know, it’s actually less about me and more about the fact that I have no maternal instinct. A kid deserves someone who wants to be a mom. And no matter what you do, they know if you’re just phoning it in.

          • DivineWordRadio

            OK.

          • Ella Warnock

            Oh, gene you never fail to disappoint. :-p

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry. Did you want me to fight you about this?

          • Ella Warnock

            No, theres nothing to fight about. I just find it odd about some antis that they really don’t seem to think a kid deserves someone who wants to be a mom. What happens after they’re born is important, too. It’s weird, but whatever.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I think someone deserves a mom and dad who love them. And, they function better, ideally, in a 2 parent home. I believe that children thrive when they have both sexes, at different times in their lives.

            I’m not only interested in children before birth. I have 7 children, and am about to have my 15th grandchild. I am blessed to have all but 2 of the grandchildren living in the same town with me.

            I attended an event this evening, with all but one of the children, their wives, and 12 of the grandchildren. It was a zoo, but was truly exciting.

            I’m sorry to hear about the lack of maternal instinct. I don’t minimize that. I’ve seen it before. Based upon my experiences with this, it is not like you feel like you are missing out on anything. You just don’t “get it.”

            God bless.

          • Ella Warnock

            Oh, I’m not sorry; and no, you don’t miss something you never wanted in the first place. I would certainly say you don’t ‘get it,’ either. On the other hand, I don’t think you’re ‘less than’ because you choose to live a completely different life.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I don’t think you are less than either. But I do think that children bring a great joy to the world. I keep in mind I am raising adults, not children. I do feel that God calls us to have them, but He does not call for everyone to do so.

            I pray your life continues to work out as you would want, and that it be in conformity with God’s will for you. God bless.

          • Ella Warnock

            Heh, well I don’t think anyone but me has a will for my life, but, as you said, okay. ;-)

          • Ella Warnock

            But you did tell Amanda that by not having kids she was less than she could be, so it’s not a stretch to think that you really do think I’m less than, as well. Not that it matters much in the world of the interwebs.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Perhaps it doesn’t matter. But even in the point I was trying to make to Amanda, as with much of what I say here, it was twisted to mean something I neither said, nor meant. I do find that children add a new dimension to someone’s life. Taking on the role of caregiver to another has that impact. And I certainly know people who decide, particularly earlier in life, not to have children, only to regret their decision. Perhaps her glib response caused me to be less explicit about the point I was trying to make.

          • Ella Warnock

            I’m sure we all know people who have regretted life decisions. I think it’s imperative, however, to deal with regrets in an adult manner. Nobody always gets everything they want, or think they want, after all.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Yes we do. And you are correct.

          • HeilMary1

            You’re a terrible dad and husband.

          • Arekushieru

            Only because people like YOU have made sex and gender such a big fat fucking deal. And that’s why we call you a misogynist. Foot in mouth syndrome, much? And, one of the reasons I LACK a maternal instinct? Is because of people just like that. Oops.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Perhaps it is because it is a big deal. You call me a misogynist because you like being a hater. Oh, and apparently someone told you the little “oops” thing or the profanity was cute in your writing. Only chidish.

          • HeilMary1

            You went to hit on other women there because wife No. 2 is now out of commission.

          • HeilMary1

            Actually, you’re just livid that you can’t put us all in Magdalene laundries where you can beat, starve, shame, medically traffic and probably rape us as your ego dictates.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, that isn’t my desire. Mental health counseling might do you some good, however.

          • colleen

            oh God, is he going to go on about lady pee in the drinking water?

          • Ella Warnock

            Word.

        • goatini

          SUNSHINE is a Group 1 Carcinogen.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then I wouldn’t lay out in the sun too long if I were you.

        • fiona64

          Taking a Group One Carcinogen

          Citation *really* needed.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I will provide you the list from the world health organization when I return in about three hours.

          • fiona64

            I will eagerly await your documentation.

            No, really. After all, it’s only been 17 hours as of now since you said you’d be back with the documentation in three hours …

          • DivineWordRadio

            I sent it last night. I don’t know what you didn’t get it. Here it is again. Fortunately, I hadn’t closed out the windows.

            h tt p://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_1_carcinogens

            h tt p://ww w.who.i nt/reproductivehealth/topics/ ageing/cocs_hrt_statement.pdf

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          How do you know what she is taking or if she is takling anything at all? Here is YOU LYING again. Lies just roll right off your forked tongue.

        • fiona64

          Reply to your comment in moderation. There’s just one problem, sweetie. You’re wrong. http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol72/index.php

          If you read the actual monograph, you will discover that the actual risk from oral contraception (and here they refer solely to progestogens, which is NOT all BCPs), is very minor. However, when taken into consideration across a large population, and in combination with post-menopausal HRP (which is a KNOWN issue, thanks very much), then and only then do you see an elevation in absolute numbers.

          You’re welcome.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sweetie, I’m not wrong at all. I claimed that the Pill was a Group One Carcinogen according to the WHO. It is. I am aware that there are those who contend it increases the risk of some cancers, and lowers the risk for others.

          • fiona64

            You are being deliberately a) obtuse and b) misleading.

            So, yes. You are wrong.

            In more ways than you can possibly even begin to understand …

          • DivineWordRadio

            And you have the right to be wrong.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Only she’s not wrong at all. She read the actual monograph–you took one part of it out and attempted to distort the facts of the matter.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Why does it bother you so much that a woman you don’t even know is taking contraception? Why is it even any of your concern? When it comes to personal choices about childbearing or contraception no one has to be ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. It’s a private matter that is different for different people.

          • fiona64

            You obviously didn’t bother to read the monograph. ::shrug::

            Horse, water, etc.

          • fiona64

            And you have the right to be dimwitted … but honestly, if I were you, I wouldn’t avail myself of it nearly so often as you appear to do.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Do you think the name calling will convince me how right you are? No, but I’d use that too, perhaps, if I had nothing of value to propose.

          • fiona64

            It’s not my fault that you were unable to comprehend the information provided to you, Gene. ::shrug::

            Honestly, I’ve come to understand that you are just unbelievably pissed off that there are women out there in the world whom you cannot bully or control.

            Get used to it, sweetie. There are a whole lot of us.

        • HeilMary1

          Female fetuses trigger deadly breast and face cancers in women because they induce a much higher estrogen level than bc pills.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

        • expect_resistance

          There are many other birth control options than the pill. Duh.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Check out h t t p:/ / ccli.or g .

      • expect_resistance

        I’ll second that. Completely agree!

    • Arekushieru

      That’s a LOT of Catholics who don’t follow Catholic teaching, then. Catholic teaching is NOT biblical. Oops.

      • DivineWordRadio

        Two issues here. 1) A lot of Catholics don’t follow Catholic teaching, apparently in reference to the issues of the article. A lot of Catholic lie and steal, but the Church isn’t about to say that lying and stealing is moral either. The Church preserves the moral code for mankind. It doesn’t establish it by majority vote.

        2) Not only is Catholic teaching Biblical, the Bible was compiled after the Church was formed, by the Church. What is your basis for saying this?

  • albertcooper

    All mentioned in this biased artical are cardinal mortal sins ! the Holy Father no matter how “progressive” you would like him to be,cannot say/do otherwise

    • HeilMary1

      Then we abused slave women and children will revolt.

      • DivineWordRadio

        That and 75 cents will buy you a cheap cup of coffee. Are you Catholic? No. Are you showing any signs of remorse, or desire to return to the Church? No. Then your revolt means little.

        • HeilMary1

          Wife killer, the internet is helping millions of RCC abuse victims link up and hold you monsters accountable. Your days are numbered, just as all corrupt dictators get overthrown.

          • DivineWordRadio

            *Yawn.* Let’s see. Having children makes someone a monster. You are a sick puppy.

          • HeilMary1

            KILLING your wife with a deadly pregnancy and blaming it on everyone else and having no remorse is what makes you a monster. Your defending pedophile priests and RCC genocides makes you a monster. I don’t object to reproduction if it isn’t coerced and the parents are mentally fit, unlike YOU.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Did you miss the medication today?

          • HeilMary1

            You mean my abortifacient coffee? Naw! I’d never start the day without my Goddess-given, womb-saving caffeine fix.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, I meant whatever anti-depressant they have you on these days.

        • HeilMary1

          I didn’t use a fetus to kill an unwanted spouse, so I don’t need your stash of anti-psychotics.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Yeah, yeah, yeah. Over and over. A real bitter woman. Sorry things aren’t working out in your life. But the hatred really doesn’t look good on you.

          • HeilMary1

            If your life is so peachy, why are you trashing our right to life and safe sex? Only pedophiles who’ve run out of fresh victims get enraged over women using birth control to avoid grisly childbirth deaths. You are a monster to force all of us to die like your detested wife. And I mean YOU are the one who detested her, not us.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You have a right to life. And sex with you is certainly not safe. So much hate. Let it go. No one that matters would be impressed with your posts.

          • HeilMary1

            YOU let it go! You pedophile protectors will not re-enslave us, and if all women join our revolt, your pedophile dictatorship is over.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Let’s see. The article was about the Church. And you chased me here to name call. Yes, real intelligent discourse here.

          • HeilMary1

            I was a regular here before you slithered in, wife killer.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not on this article. You came here and posted because of your hatred of me. Let it go.

          • HeilMary1

            You came here because of your out-of-control narcissism and misogynist addiction to shaming and bullying feminists.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Wow. You came up with some more names you’d missed out on in the other posts. So who is the bully?

          • Arekushieru

            Um, you can’t bully by telling the truth. Misogyny refers to those who like to deny women the same rights as everyone else. Which is what you do, when you deny women the right to life AND the right to bodily autonomy by refusing to keep abortion accessible. Please do learn terms before posting next time.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I know what misogyny is. And I know what redefinition is. It is typical for radicals such as yourself. I just don’t fall for it.

          • goatini

            You are the radical fundamentalist cultist here.

          • DivineWordRadio

            1) Radical 2)Fundamentalist 3)cultist. Nope. Zero for three. But as you only have name calling, and have no pride, I guess I can expect nothing else of value.

          • goatini

            Lickspittle worshipper of the regressive Wojo/Ratzo Magisterium = Radical Fundamentalist Cultist. FACT. Don’t forget, I am a Catholic with 60 years standing, who listens to every bit of the radical fundamentalist cultist EWTN garbage that is also broadcasted on your radio station, and knows EXACTLY what happened to the Church following the all-too-convenient demise of Luciani, and Grand Inquisitor Ratzinger’s installation of Wojtyla, who would keep the lid on the Vatican Bank scandals and the pedophile protection scandals, among other scandals.

          • DivineWordRadio

            First, you start out with what is supposed to be an intelligent insult. It isn’t.

            Fact is, you are not a Catholic, except in name only. But I’m glad that you listen.

            Would you like to provide proof that Pope John Paul I was killed? Or that Ratzinger put John Paul II into power? (You must have thought him to have great power, given he was only named a bishop and cardinal the year before, and wasn’t with the Congregation for the Doctrine until 3 years later) Didn’t think so. You are into conspiracy theories, but nothing of value.

          • goatini

            It is NOT up to YOU to decide who is or is not Catholic.

          • DivineWordRadio

            The Church makes it easy. They start with the Nicean Creed, the statement of a belief in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. You claim to be a Catholic with 60 years standing, yet you attack the very Church you claim to be a part of.

          • goatini

            I decry the fetid rot of an obsolete Magisterium, that fouls the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.

            “If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security’, those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists – they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies.” – Jorge Mario Bergoglio, August 2013.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s nice. You misinterpret, as does Slate magazine and the NYT.

          • DivineWordRadio

            “Instead of being just a church that welcomes and receives by keeping the doors open, let us try also to be a church that finds new roads, that is able to step outside itself and go to those who do not attend Mass, to those who have quit or are indifferent. The ones who quit sometimes do it for reasons that, if properly understood and assessed, can lead to a return. But that takes audacity and courage.”- Pope Francis, August 2013.

          • goatini

            I’m quite sure that the wishful misinterpretation is on your part, sir. “…in this quest to seek and find God in all things there is still an area of uncertainty. There must be. If a person says that he met God with total certainty and is not touched by a margin of uncertainty, then this is not good. For me this is an important key. If one has the answers to all of the questions – that is the proof that God is not with him. It means that he is a false prophet using religion for himself.” – Jorge Mario Bergolio, August 2013.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sounds like he is talking about you. You might want to listen. Oh, and the name is Pope Francis.

          • goatini

            He is a man and he has a name. Were I to be introduced to him, I would surely address him by his honorific.

          • DivineWordRadio

            He is a man, and has a name. It is Francis. To make reference otherwise is apparently intended to disrespect the Office.

          • goatini

            I’m seeing some more respect from him than I had from his two immediate predecessors. But a man is a man, and a man earns respect. I believe I have already said that were I to be introduced to him, I would surely address him by his honorific. I also think that based on what I’ve read about him so far, he’d actually be in accord with my thoughts on this.

          • DivineWordRadio

            While I see a difference in style, there are concerns for me. Pope Francis seems to indicate that the Church has not outlined the role for women in the Church, and I disagree. He seems to have missed out on Pope John Paul II’s encyclical MULIERIS DIGNITATEM. I respect him, and his position, as I do his predecessors. I differ with you in believing that we can simply set aside doctrine and make the Church something for which it was not intended to be.

          • goatini

            Mulieris Dignitatem is an insult to Catholic women which might have been better titled “Shut Up And Be Grateful”. Wojtyła, always with the dramatic reams of flowery hyperbole signifying little or nothing, relegated the location of the “feminine genius” to the uterus. His hostility to some women religious was legendary, so it’s easy to see his prejudices towards self-actualized females in MD. MD is one of the main reasons why I think Teresa Tomeo is such a hypocrite – she credits MD with explaining to her the evils of her former feminist ways, and alleges that she read MD with the same skepticism and scrutiny with which she claimed to have read all publications on the status of females during her alleged “feminist phase”, and arrived at “It Must Be True”, because, well, she never really explains the “because”. Any self-respecting feminist can’t avoid the paternal condescension dripping from every flowery phrase.

            And so I hope that Bergoglio has a better definition in mind for the “feminine genius” – one of intellect, and spiritual nature, rather than the base animal analogy of Wojtyła.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I disagree. All you are really saying is, “the papacy or nothing.” That leaves you with nothing.

            Pope John Paul II mentioned nothing in Mulieris Dignitatem about the “feminine genius” or the uterus. You then make false claims about him, claiming he has hostility toward women that was legendary. Source?

            And your bitterness toward Teresa Tomeo seems to come from her seeing what you cannot.

            Pity.

          • colleen

            we are not required to respect the office.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You have shown an unwillingness to show respect for anyone.

          • colleen

            I have the greatest respect for most of the men and women posting in this thread. Mary is a survivor of horrific religious and physical abuse as a child. When you treat people like garbage and then tell them that God wants them to be treated like garbage you can expect some push back. You are simply reaping what you sow.

          • HeilMary1

            Thanks! Mean Gene is a lot like my parents and siblings. I completely stopped communicating with them because their arguments were just as circular, insulting and blaming.

          • goatini

            COMPLETELY and UNREPENTANTLY narcissistic.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Thank you for sharing your opinion.

          • colleen

            Perhaps Jesus wants him to be a malignant narcissist

          • colleen

            No, she always posts in these threads and we welcome her. You have no power to silence anyone here. You have no power over us.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m not interested in silencing the vile or hateful, even you. But her hatred toward me is small, petty, and bitter.

          • colleen

            Once again. You need to grow up and stop acting like a 2 year old. This is not about you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sadly you think this is about you.

          • goatini

            Notice that he keeps trying to silence ALL of us.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Hardly. You are entitled to be small and insignificant, and allow the world to see you that way, with your malicious attacks.

          • colleen

            He is a Republican and a conservative Catholic. Silencing and demeaning women is what they do for pleasure.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, your statement shows that you are a bigot. That is what you do for pleasure.

          • Jennifer Starr

            She has every right to post wherever she pleases. You let it go.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Jennifer, I understand. She has the right to be vile and to attack me wherever she pleases. And you are her enabler.

          • goatini

            YOU claim an untruthful “Truth” as YOUR enabler.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I don’t know what to tell you. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I understand if you choose not to follow, but don’t be surprised if I do.

          • goatini

            You have not posted even ONE WORD here over the past several days that has been even remotely Christlike.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I don’t know if you know what Christ was like. They did not crucify Him for being a go-along-get-along guy. They crucified Him for standing up against institutions that marginalize the weak among us.

          • goatini

            But yet you defend misogyny and the patriarchy – institutions that marginalize the historically weak and powerless among us.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I don’t defend misogyny. Yes I get it. You redefine hatred of women to mean disagreeing with you. The Church does not hate women, no matter how cute you think it is to make those attacks.

            I do defend a male priesthood, and we will not see that change. But as that is not misogynistic either, then there is no problem.

            The children you favor aborting are included in the weak and powerless among us.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Should I start calling you a misogynist because you favor terminating, killing, female fetuses?

          • goatini

            Fetuses are potential persons, not actual persons.

          • DivineWordRadio

            “Potential person” is an attempt to assign a legal definition to a life. Slaves were “potential persons” as well.

            So should I call you a misogynist who treats women as slaves?

            This seems to be the manner in which you want to carry on discussions, rather than carrying on one rationally.

          • goatini

            Sentencing wormen with unwanted pregnancies to gestate to term against their specific will and wishes IS misogynistic treatment of women as slaves. Fetuses are neither men, women, nor persons. They are potential persons. Subjugating, by force, an actual living, breathing woman to what is potential, and potential ONLY, IS slavery. It’s so telling how you twist the facts – the facts about an offense to humanity that the UN has deemed to be cruel and inhuman punishment – into demented non sequiturs falsely equating actual born, living persons with fetuses, just as you did over on the other thread regarding victims of the Holocaust, who also were actual born, living persons.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Pope Paul VI was prophetic with Humanae Vitae in 1968: ht tp://w ww.scborromeo.o rg/docs/humanae_vitae.pdf . Encouraging women to have sex outside of marriage only lessens the relationships that they have with men.

            A fetus, moments before birth certainly is male, or female. Your attempt to dehumanize them is fundamentally no different than slavery.

            You’ve chosen to define anyone opposed to abortion as a misogynist. I choose to define you, based upon your assertions, as a misogynist who dehumanizes and treats women like slaves.

            By defining these women as potential persons, you take away their personhood, just as the slave masters did 160 years ago in this country.

            Taking the life of another, by force, of an actual woman, dependent upon another, who, as you point out, is sentient, is wrong, and you treat them as slaves were.

            It is so telling how you twist the facts – the facts about an offense to humanity (despite Juan E. Méndez’s letter in the UN, which is not binding) – into twisted non sequiturs falsely equating fetuses, and the pre-born, with a houseplant or a slave.

          • goatini

            The “relationships (women) have with men”, that are lessened by women enjoying equal rights to active agency and personal bodily autonomy, are relationships of DEPENDENCY. I know that the Church encourages and applauds female dependency on males for survival. Humanae Vitae was 100% contrary to the recommendations of the Pontifical Commission on Birth Control. It was a cop-out, done because ultimately, if the Church allowed the same rights of self-determination to females as to males, the male priesthood would be the next to fall.

            And again, NO municipality in the United States permits elective safe, legal pregnancy termination “moments from birth”, so you might as well stop tossing that tired old saw around.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I understand what you are describing in sexual agency. It is akin to saying that because some people can be abusive, I want the right to be abusive.

            Humanae Vitae turned out to be correct. I’d encourage you to read it with hindsight, and tell me where Pope Paul VI got it wrong. Are women treated better as a result of your sexual agency? Do men show them the respect they deserve? Are families more stable?

            The Pontifical Commission on Birth Control was wrong, wanting to fit in with the secular world and the newly changing Protestant denominations. Before 1930, all Christian denominations agreed that contraception was immoral. It still is.

            And while you continue to use the term “municipality”, and including the term elective ( despite the fact non-elective is identified as rape victim, or feelings of depression ) for abortions, which do occur, in the final month, it only establishes that there are women wanting abortion on demand, and so-called professionals all too willing to provide it. The cost is steep, typically $10,000, but yes, it is available with four providers nationwide: LeRoy Carhart, Warren Hern, Shelley Sella, and Susan Robinson.

            The purpose for using the term “moments before birth” is that these 4 providers readily admit most of these babies are viable, yet contend that women should have the right to kill them, to terminate them. So the question is, do you think they should be able to, when the child, as I believe you have said, is sentient, and viable?

          • goatini

            Oh, the old “I’m going to save you from yourself because I know what’s best for you, for your own good” sexist condescension. I don’t want to be dependent upon a male for my very existence simply because I am female. I don’t wish to be “respected” for subservience and obedience. Yes, absolutely, women are treated better as full humans with full personal agency equal to that of males. I’ve been in the business world since the days of “Help Wanted” ads segregated by gender. Things are MUCH better today, no question. And the GOTP attack on the middle class that began in earnest in 1980 IS the reason for family instability.

            And your lurid nonsense aside, those four brave physicians aid females in the most dire, awful and tragic circumstances possible that I would not wish upon anyone, including you.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I promise you, I get confused with you. One moment you seem rational, and the next, off the planet.

            I accept that neither you, nor I, are willing at this time to see things the same way when it comes to abortion or contraception.

            You are not going to be dependent upon a man for your very existence. That is hyperbole to me.

            I understand the concept of “better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.”

            I disagree with your assessment about women. Today, we have more single parent female families than ever before. We have juvenile delinquency, crime, and a view of women as someone that gives me sexual pleasure, and for which should expect nothing more from a man. There is nothing good about that.

            I gain satisfaction in knowing that your prospective is not continuing in any real numbers into future generations.

            I would not wish to be in those women’s positions, but killing these children is simply wrong.

          • HeilMary1

            We have an explosion of single mother families because your GOP killed off the best men in non-stop war profiteering, and because the remaining men are following the carefree playboy bachelor lifestyles of DEADBEAT DADDY pedophile priests! Most of the divorced and never-married conservative men I’ve met in DC are icked out by childbirth disfigurements and costs. Your “solution” of keeping sex more disfiguring and bankrupting won’t get any women to any altars on this planet. Ask your buddies if they’re turned on by completely sexless marriages, or brood mares wearing Depends for obstetric fistulas, or multi-million dollar hospital and rehab bills for obstetric injuries and birth defects. I dare you!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Funny. We didn’t have an explosion of single mother families before. But I know. You don’t let little things like facts get in the way. Just lack of mental health.

          • HeilMary1

            Guess you never heard of male shortages caused by WARS?! There was also a surge of single mothers after WWI throughout Europe and America.

          • goatini

            Actually, in the 20th century prior to WWII, many women with so-called “out of wedlock” pregnancies gave birth and kept their children. The advent of what is now known as the Baby Scoop Era began after WWII, when innocent females, who had committed NO crime, with “out of wedlock” pregnancies, were, in effect, imprisoned against their will in virtual prisons (“maternity homes” and the homes of people affiliated with those criminal enterprises), and exploited and coerced into surrendering the fruit of their uncompensated labor to organizations such as, among others, the Roman Catholic Church, to be sold to the highest bidder.

            Females with so-called “out of wedlock” pregnancies are now no longer immediately jailed for the term of the pregnancy. However, so-called “crisis pregnancy centers” do attempt to keep this vile exploitation scam going, so as to enrich the global human trafficking adoption syndicate. Females now have agency to carry the so-called “out of wedlock” pregnancy to term and keep the children. Females ALSO have the agency, along with the civil, human and Constitutional right, to obtain a safe, legal pregnancy termination should the pregnancy be unwanted.

          • HeilMary1

            You MURDERED your wife! How is that for respect? You used her as a throwaway cow! Mother-killing Humanae Vitae was written by and for pedophile priests and WIFE KILLERS like you. With childbirth costing $4,000 to $5 MILLION (for c-section flesh-eating infections and face-rotting cancers), childbirth is completely bankrupting and 14 times more deadly than any emergency late abortions.

          • DivineWordRadio

            *Yawn.* Another malicious lie. I’d suggest reading, and following Humanae Vitae. And as to healthcare costs, you are clueless.

          • HeilMary1

            Paul VI funded Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic’s gutting of pregnant Serb “heretics” and their “heretic” fetuses in WWII. Half of those fetuses were female, but you support these FORCED abortions because the Ustasha were conducting another holy Inquisition against non-Catholics. You can’t pretend to be anti-abortion while supporting anyone as criminal as Cardinal Montini aka Paul VI. You’re BUSTED, buster.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Although this isn’t the only place you’ve made this bogus charge.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Is a slave connected to me by umbilicial cord and sucking my blood? What a ridiculous analogy.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not at all. Your description of a child of yours shows how true it is.

          • HeilMary1

            Wife killers opposing self-defense by women! Why am I not surprised?!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Mentally ill people falsely accusing people! Why am I not surprised?!

          • HeilMary1

            Female fetuses cause more deadly cancers than male fetuses, and all fetuses pose countless health risks to mothers.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Your pseudoscience is incredible.

          • fiona64

            We all know you followed her over here, Gene. Stop being disingenuous.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Then you can’t read either.

          • fiona64

            ::pats delusional little boy on the head:: That’s right, sweetie. Now, why don’t you go color while the adults talk. Bye-bye now …

          • Arekushieru

            Sex with YOU is not safe. Believing a woman must gestate a fetus at all costs, no matter the risk to her health and life, while not having to worry about endangering YOUR life in the same way, is the sickest example of humanity I’ve seen in a LONG time.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Well, I see you are as twisted in this regard as HeilMary.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Personal attacks are the rule of the day here. And you have the nerve to challenge me after that?

          • colleen

            You come here and spread your filth and abuse and then complain that others are attacking you. That is what we expect from the men of the religious right. A complete inability to take responsibility for their behavior and, of course, constant emotional abuse which I have no doubt would and has escalated into other forms of abuse.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I came here and made two positive posts about the Church and Pope.

            You obviously come here with some internal bitterness. I hate to hear, or see, that.

            You project that upon others. God bless.

          • colleen

            you need to learn to take responsibility for your behavior.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I have. You need to learn to take responsibility for your actions.

          • colleen

            you have not

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m not interested in arguing with you about this.

          • colleen

            I know. There is simply too much recent evidence and you are a moral coward.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No, if I were a moral coward, I would have stayed on your side and agreed with you.

          • jejune

            I wouldn’t say that sex with you is safe either.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God no. Gene sets my pervart alarm to clainging bigtime. He has no boundaries because he has “god on his side.” I find him repulsive.

          • DivineWordRadio

            That’s nice.

          • Arekushieru

            Yeah, people do tend to get bitter, when the hatred spilled by your ilk tends to effect them more detrimentally than it does the one who spews it. Reading some of HM’s posts will show you she has great reason to be bitter with ilk such as yourself. NO compassion, especially if you’re a woman, WHATsoever, unless of course, you happen to be a fetus. People who use the excuse that Christians should be forgiving of all trespasses against them, usually have had no experience with that sort of thing themselves. Hypocrites.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Let’s see. She has reason to spew vile hatred because of me? No, She spews vile hatred because that is what she chooses to carry. She chooses to blame others who have done nothing to her. And you are simply blinded and wrong, by stating that I have only compassion for fetuses.

            The one thing I have been guilty of here is responding to her hatred at times with hatred. And for that I am sorry. But she blames the Church, which did nothing to her, and me, for challenging her in that regard, for her problems. My wife died. In the last two days, she has maliciously, and intentionally called me every vile name she can think of, and the problem is me?

            By the way, Christians are often hypocrites, because they have high standards that they try to live up to.

          • colleen

            “By the way, Christians are often hypocrites, because they have high standards that they try to live up to.”

            Yes, we’ve seen a display of those “high standards” in your participation here. Thank you for that.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As I’m certain you aren’t being sarcastic, you are welcome.

          • goatini

            You selfishly attempted to use your first wife’s demise in a childbirth-related fatality to represent some kind of “credibility” for your vicious radical theocratic misogyny. We are AGAINST increased mortality risks in childbirth, and your tone-deaf BRAG exploiting your first wife’s demise mightily offended many of us. We have walked through too many 18th, 19th, and even early 20th century cemeteries filled with the graves of too many young women who died in childbirth… and the graves of the second, third, and even the fourth wives of the SAME MAN. You erred grievously here with your tone-deaf BRAG. It may buy you pity points with the more dogmatic members of your regressive No Female Altar Servers parish, but the very idea of BRAGGING about your first wife’s demise to defend the dogma that lauds death in childbirth as a “loving sacrifice” is morally repugnant to those who seek to defend the rights, choices, and the very lives of female US citizens.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You have made yourself clear. Anyone who opposes abortion is a misogynist. That is not what the term means, but it becomes irrelevant to discuss the issue with you when you choose to redefine. I’m not a misogynist. You are redefining terms so that you can name call. It means nothing when you redefine the term.

            Your name calling and attacks are offensive.

            You claim you are against increased mortality risks, and I did something to address that issue. The solution is not abortion.

            When you say you’ve been to cemeteries and seen a man with multiple wives, that would be because men have been traditionally buried in a graveyard with each of their wives. And wives, traditionally, are buried with their last husband, in that family cemeteries tended to be assigned to men.

            I was devastated by the loss of my wife. And HeilMary, and you, had no difficulty throwing salt in the wounds. You were cruel, and malicious. You should have been ashamed, but you weren’t.

            I didn’t exploit my wife’s demise. I simply didn’t sit still and risk that this could happen to another woman. I did something about the problem. It didn’t benefit me. It took me away from my children and work for a while. But I felt like it was something I could do to address a problem, and I did it. There is nothing tone deaf here, except your willingness to attack at all costs. The cost to you was your credibility.

            I have had 2 daughters who have been altar servers. My parish does allow them, but both daughters have quit doing so, seeing altar serving as a means of bring men into the priesthood. The attack about my faith is no less cheap and demeaning as the false claims you make against those who disagree with you being women haters. There are misogynists out there, and your attacks just minimize the significance when they do come along.

            It was not a choice to have a child, or lose a wife. The two were mutually exclusive. She could have lived with proper medical care. So again, your bitter attacks are designed only to hurt, and not enlighten.

            You have nothing to be proud of.

          • goatini

            “She could have lived with proper medical care”

            Sounds EXACTLY like similarly tone-deaf Olmstead of Phoenix.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I understand your lack of understanding. The ability to understand is blocked by your malice.

          • goatini

            And AGAIN projecting his own shortcomings on the innocent opposition.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And again providing a lack of understanding about the facts.

          • goatini

            No “lack of understanding” here. No lack of actual facts, either.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You don’t have the facts about my wife, yet you claim that my statements about her health are false. She could have lived with proper medical care.

          • goatini

            YOU played the pity card, sir, and attempted to assert that it gave you credibility in your crusade to attempt to strip female US citizens of their civil, human and Constitutional rights. It is too late now to potray yourself as a blameless victim here.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As I recall, it was in response to a claim that I didn’t know what it was like to experience the dangers of childbirth.

            Beyond that, what you present is hyperbole–“your crusade attempt to strip female US citizens of their civil, human and Constitutional right.”

            So, female US citizens had their civil, human and Constitutional rights stripped prior to 1973? Yeah, right.

          • goatini

            Female US citizens most certainly did have less rights to personal bodily autonomy prior to 1973. And even less rights prior to 1965 (Griswold v Connecticut). Prior to 1965, female US citizens most certainly did NOT enjoy equal rights of self-determination as those of male citizens. FACT.

          • DivineWordRadio

            “personal bodily autonomy”? Would you like to define? And why women? Weren’t men excluded under Griswold, as were women?

            As to your claim about women and 1965, I disagree.

          • goatini

            Pretty sure that Estelle Griswold’s clinic was dispensing oral contraceptives. GvW guaranteed the right of female patients to receive highly effective medically prescribed contraception from their physicians. And without highly effective contraception, females simply cannot effectively exercise the right of self-determination and of personal agency.

          • DivineWordRadio

            The point was that the law prohibited men, and women, from receiving contraceptives.

            I do not see “personal agency” as an asset, to men or women.

          • colleen

            I do not see “personal agency” as an asset, to men or women

            It must be wonderful to have no ‘personal agency’ and just be the abusive asshole God and Jesus want you to be.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Try it some time. It is not so bad. And you won’t feel abusive either.

          • Ella Warnock

            That’s unfortunate, no snark. It really is.

          • DivineWordRadio

            And it’s unfortunate that you disagree.

          • Ella Warnock

            No, not really.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Personally I’d hate to see where we’d be without it.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Fewer STDs, more stable marriages, fewer cases of juvenile delinquency, better educated children, happier marriages. I wouldn’t hate to see it at all.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So what you basically want is a kind of Stepford with divinely-controlled robots instead of human beings. Oookay, then.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So basically a kind of Roman-Catholic Stepford is where you’d be happiest.

          • fiona64

            Citations needed. For every damned bit of it.

          • jejune

            Yes, women should submit to their husbands and have children until their bodies wear out and they die.

          • Ella Warnock

            Hey, if it was good enough for Martin Luther.

          • DivineWordRadio

            The Church does teach of submission, but not to “have children until their bodies wear out and they die.” But it does teach that we are to stay together “until death do you part.” And that husbands should love their wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

          • HeilMary1

            You support gestational slavery for all women.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Oh, and by the way, placing “fact” in all caps doesn’t make it factual.

          • colleen

            the same applies to words like ‘Truth’ and ‘Light of the World’.

          • DivineWordRadio

            As both refer to Jesus, they will remain in all caps. And you have the right to remain a brick.

          • colleen

            As I recall, it was in response to a claim that I didn’t know what it was like to experience the dangers of childbirth.

            Your recall is incorrect and characteristically self serving. You used tor wife’s death to deflect attention away from a discussion about the how Catholic dogma and Republican social policies raise the maternal mortality rate. Your response was to derail the conversation and deflect criticism by pretending to be an expert on the maternal mortality rate because your wife died as a direct result of her pregnancy. We are then supposed to go all stupid, coo over you and because we are just stupid women, forget all about how the Church and the Republican party want pregnant children to die for your beliefs. Because that, according to your church is our role and many of us SHOULD die in childbirth, especially the little girls, they have been raped and are no longer ‘innocent’.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You are right about one thing. The comment from HeilMary that brought my response out was “Dead mothers can’t report pedophile priests.”

            Beyond that, you simply show how small you really are.

            I don’t expect you to “go all stupid.” I also didn’t expect you to go all malicious either. I was wrong.

            I cannot convince a brick of the Truth. Pity.

          • HeilMary1

            Hypocrite, you OPPOSE saving women from all the OTHER killer complications that can only be avoided by contraception, sterilization and abortions.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No. I oppose abortion, artificial contraception, and sterilization.

          • HeilMary1

            So you and the second wife have given up sex with each other for the rest of your lives? Because that is what the RCC dictates to unhealthy, poor and menopausal women, while husbands are urged to go to hookers. You think your cheating with hookers, babysitters and porn sites are above reproach!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh poor baby. Nobody likes you. Everybody hates you. Go and eat worms.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I wasn’t looking for love here. It can’t be found in a death camp.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yes, Olmstead. The man who thought that a mother of four deserved to die because of a non-viable eleven-week fetus.

          • DivineWordRadio

            “Pulmonary Hypertension Is Not A Condition Where Abortion Would Be Curative.”
            “Successful Inventions Performed In the Past Have Enabled Mother and Child To Survive.” This was the position of the USCCB addressing the wrong done by the hospital in Phoenix. Olmstead did not think the woman deserved to die. The issue was that a direct abortion was not an acceptable answer to pulmonary hypertension.

          • Jennifer Starr

            He actually did say that it would be better for her to die than to live the rest of her life knowing she killed her child.. I don’t think that’s an exact quote, but it’s pretty damn close.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I haven’t heard that quote, so I’m not in a position to respond to it. It was goatini that brought up Olmstead, in response to the fact that my wife could have lived even with the childbirth, with appropriate medical care.

          • goatini

            Very telling that you consider the emergency intervention to save a woman’s life, for her sake and for the sake of her family, to be, ahem, “the wrong done by the hospital in Phoenix”.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Your statement is false. I didn’t say that.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are a liar. It was not McBride alone who made that decision. It was a group of medical professionals.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • HeilMary1

            You and Olmstead ignore that McBride and surgeons FOLLOWED RCC rules with an intact early delivery of the dying 11-week-old fetus. You ignore that the toxic placenta was killing both the mother and the fetus, didn’t respond to drugs, and if the fetus had been older, it might have survived. But Olmstead insisted that the mother and non-viable fetus rot together!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Wrong. She was excommunicated and returned to the Church. I posted the Church’s position previously.

          • fiona64

            There are misogynists out there,

            And your own words here, and LJF, demonstrate you to be one of them.

          • fiona64

            Your name calling and attacks are offensive.

            Your anti-choice attitude and misogyny are offensive. So, I guess we’re even-Steven, Gene-o.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I must apologize to HeilMary. I thought she was a bit extreme in her response to PubicFocusRadio, although he set my weirdo alarm to clanging. Now that I know the history, this Gene Church guy is a pervert.

          • HeilMary1

            Thanks, Plum! If I hadn’t come across such evil thugs like Mean Gene before, I wouldn’t have believed anyone like me either. My mom was a female version of him, but naive people who never directly experienced her Catholic terrorism in action thought I was the crazy one.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Anyone can tell you are not crazy. I just thought you were a bit emphatic. I have a Mother something like yours. I was 12 and playing hooky from confirmation class. I was standing on the corner, trying to decide where to go, in front of a neighborhood bar. I did not want to go to class because it was all boys and the priest was weird. No one spoke to me. It was bizarre. No way you could explain things like that to my Mother. Priests were God. My Mother came unexpectedly around the corner and saw me. She decided I was hooking or doing something sexual. I was 12 and a virgin. She dragged me into the house by my long hair, beat me, kicked me, cursed me. To keep me pure and well behaved. The RCC never did a thing but harm me. They provided the sexual dysfunction that made my Mother possible.

          • HeilMary1

            If your mother had belonged to a less demented Christian sect, she probably wouldn’t have abused you. Our mothers’ specific fear of Catholic damnation made them crazy. I witnessed similar mental and physical abuse by nuns against learning-disabled kids. You have to personally witness or experience it to see the dogma-based connection to abuse. If you’re not looking, you might miss seeing it.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I agree.

          • HeilMary1

            Wife killer, if my mom belonged to any other religion, she would NOT have disfigured me as her abstinence-for-salvation excuse! Your RCC drove her insane, so ALL of the blame rests on YOUR RCC.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You wrongly place blame upon me, and upon the Church. You need psychiatric help.

          • Guest

            I’ve just been blocked

          • fiona64

            But she blames the Church, which did nothing to her,

            Yeah, actually, it did. And if you actually fucking *read* things, you’d know that.

        • Arekushieru

          Wrong. Heil Mary is just one person, btw. Funny how you missed that.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Didn’t miss it at all. She feels free to speak for all women as well.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Speaks for us a hell of a lot better than you do.

        • jejune

          You sure are one arrogant son of a bitch. The poor woman.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sometimes I am. The poor woman who chose to give birth to me also gave me that trait.

        • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

          “Even though I’ve abused you and made your life miserable, if you’ll just show any sign of remorse, I’ll take you back because I’m just that big and wonderful.” No, that’s not the talk of an abuser. Not at all.

  • DivineWordRadio

    Which pope said: “We should not allow our faith to be drained by too many discussions of multiple, minor details”?

    We should not allow our faith to be drained by too many discussions of multiple, minor details, but rather, should always keep our eyes in the first place on the greatness of Christianity.

    I remember, when I used go to Germany in the 1980s and ’90s, that I was asked to give interviews and I always knew the questions in advance. They concerned the ordination of women, contraception, abortion and other such constantly recurring problems.

    If we let ourselves be drawn into these discussions, the Church is then identified with certain commandments or prohibitions; we give the impression that we are moralists with a few somewhat antiquated convictions, and not even a hint of the true greatness of the faith appears. I therefore consider it essential always to highlight the greatness of our faith – a commitment from which we must not allow such situations to divert us.

    These are, of course, the words of Pope Benedict, spoken to the Swiss bishops gathered in Rome for their ad limina visit in 2006.They sound rather familiar, don’t they?

    • DivineWordRadio

      The Catholic Church is far more than these issues. Yet the hatred of many of you zeros in on these very things.

      • colleen

        The Catholic church and it;’s political arm, the Republican party, treat women like garbage.

        • DivineWordRadio

          Well, it shows how little you know about politics and religion. And, apparently women.

          • jejune

            You are the one who thinks that women have no value other than as broodmares for christ.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope. You are the one that thinks there is no value in childbirth. Pity.

          • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

            There’s no pity in choosing a different path. Save the pity for someone who needs it, like a poor woman who is forced to gestate against her will and assume hundreds of medical risks and complications up to and including death because deluded zealots strip her of her human rights the second a parasite has latched onto her body against her will. Those are the people who deserve our compassion.

            And you forget that many women who support choice–and men, too–have children of their own that they love. That’d just blow your mind, wouldn’t it?

          • DivineWordRadio

            No. It makes it no more right.

          • colleen

            You need to grow up and take responsibility for the abusive and ugly manner in which you relate to women.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You need to grow up and take responsibility for the abusive and ugly manner in which you relate to men.

          • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

            You need to grow up and figure out that you are not representative of all men. Thank goodness for that.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Never thought I was.

          • HeilMary1

            You murdered your wife!

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope. Shows how little you know.

          • HeilMary1

            Shows how irresponsible, selfish and deceitful you are.

    • goatini

      Ratzinger isn’t Pope any more, having pulled the selfsame “skedaddle out the door two steps ahead of the police” scam as pedophile protector and enabler Bernie Law, who was richly rewarded for his complicity by Wojtyla.

      Bergoglio seems to be starting to chip away at the hypocrisy and duplicity that the Wojo/Ratzo Magisterium hath wrought. He is most emphatically NOT saying what you want to think he is saying. And since he’s lasted longer now than the ill-fated Luciani, it’s a pretty sure sign that there are other Cardinals who had likewise had a gutful of the Wojo/Ratzo Regressionist Express.

      • DivineWordRadio

        Again, you present another falsehood. Pope Benedict did not run, and was not being chased by the police.

        As to Bernard Law, who I personally have no use for, I would point out to you that no DA ever brought any charges against him, or filed a subpoena for him to appear anywhere. Then you attack Pope John Paul II with no basis or reason.

        You are clueless about what Pope Francis is saying. You are also maliciously implying that Pope John Paul I was done in. You watch too much Godfather Part III.

        I don’t expect Catholics to look to you for advice about the Pope.

        • goatini

          Continue to ignore the obvious. Plenty of documentation backs up each of my statements.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Sorry, but no. I notice you didn’t answer any of my responses. Is there a subpoena ever issued against Law? An arrest warrant?

          • goatini

            Not here to do your research, dudebro.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’ll save you time. The answer is no. There are no warrants, or subpoenas, being ducked by Law. So all we have, is a malicious statement on your part.

          • goatini

            Yeah, and OJ was innocent. Are you really such a poor researcher, or are you simply so dogmatically blinded that if EWTN didn’t say it, then it never happened?

          • DivineWordRadio

            It didn’t happen. There was no criminal subpoena against Cardinal Law. There was no indictment against him. There was no arrest warrant against him.

            And I don’t like the man.

            But your statements are simply false.

            And throwing in OJ makes your statement no less false.

            Didn’t happen.

          • goatini

            . Dogmatically blinded, I see.

          • DivineWordRadio

            So, what I should understand is that you are not to be held to what you say? It is acceptable to lie and claim that Law left “two steps ahead of the police” and, when I pointed out that there was no police action, you deny my position?

            Blinded by ego, I see.

          • HeilMary1

            The Chicago Tribune reported on Dec. 12, 2002 that state troopers from Atty. Gen. Reilly’s office delivered a subpoena to Law’s residence, and Law fled that same day to Washington, DC, then to Rome the following day. Pretty slimy, indeed, liar.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I didn’t know that a subpoena was issued.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Reading on this, apparently it was not served upon him.

          • HeilMary1

            He dodged it at his residence by fleeing to Washington, then to Rome.

          • HeilMary1

            Law was subpoenaed by a grand jury, liar.

          • DivineWordRadio

            One isn’t a liar if one doesn’t know. I agree with you that apparently there was an unserved subpoena 10 years ago.

          • HeilMary1

            He deliberately dodged it.

          • HeilMary1

            Several victim lawyers had subpoenas but Law used diplomatic immunity to flee the U.S.

          • DivineWordRadio

            I actually haven’t seen proof of that, nor, other than the allegation, that Law “used diplomatic immunity.” He would not have been entitled to diplomatic immunity by virtue of having a Vatican passport. In civil matters, they may have had an impossible time getting him to appear in court, as he was outside of the US, but the same is true of difficulties when crossing state lines.

          • HeilMary1

            Vatican passports have diplomatic immunity and that is how the Vatican shielded 100,000 Nazi war criminals, and money laundered money and gold stolen from Jews.

          • DivineWordRadio

            No they don’t. Diplomatic credentials have diplomatic immunity. Vatican passports allow you to travel internationally. Nope.

          • colleen

            This is a guy who believes his opinions about everything are at one with God and the Universe. Any evidence that disagrees with his opinions is wrong and the woman who presents it is deserving of endless abuse. It’s how the ‘men’ of the religious right relate to women who aren’t trained to fetch.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Not all of them. For example, I believe Alabama will win the National Championship in football. I don’t think God cares.

            And yes, I would expect that if you, or I, have an opinion on something, we assume we are correct until we can see otherwise. As I’ve noted, it is you that makes the attacks, and pours on the abuse. It apparently makes you feel better to decide that it’s “‘men’ of the religious right” who have the problem. I’m sorry, but you are wrong.

          • colleen

            And yes, I would expect that if you, or I, have an opinion on something, we assume we are correct until we can see otherwise.

            That’s not what you do. What you do is tell us that God agrees with your sadism and then order us to sacrifice for your beliefs I believe the hope is we are as stupid and beat down as you and your church have come to believe is the ‘natural’ state of women. We might sell our dignity for the approval of ‘men’ like you. Again, my pity and compassion towards your daughters. Only the strong ones survive a father like you and then only with many scars.

          • HeilMary1

            He’s probably been kicked out by the second wife and kids and he’s taking his rage out on us.

          • DivineWordRadio

            clueless.

          • DivineWordRadio

            You call it sadism. That is an opinion, and a false one at that. If I am following Church teaching then I am following Church teaching. And if I am not, then I am not. I am not entitled to say that I know that God wants me to do X when the Church expressly teaches Y. I choose. Do I follow Christ’s teachings, or not?

            Dignity comes from humility, not from arrogance. We all struggle with this.

            We will except your pity and compassion. It will, sadly, only bring the same in return. My daughters would be confused by someone like you. And it is because of their strength that they will be able to stand for Truth, instead of the lies and scars of the secular world.

          • HeilMary1

            I’m sure you’re abusing them mentally and physically.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Nope.

          • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

            Yeah, can’t have ‘em getting all *confused*, now can we? That’d be just terrible if they discovered how little your teachings have in common with reality and the actual world around them.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Yeah, right.

          • HeilMary1

            You are a prime example of the malignant fascist misogyny that started WWII.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Color you clueless.

          • HeilMary1

            Could you learn some new cliches?

          • jejune

            And this is how atrocities can be committed in the name of

          • DivineWordRadio

            And this is how atrocities can be committed in the name of atheism

        • colleen

          money laundering is a serious thing, Lambchop.

          • DivineWordRadio

            So you lied. Do you have proof that Pope Benedict was guilty of money laundering?

        • colleen

          and yet you expect non-Catholics to bow to him and you expect all women to suffer and die if necessary for Catholic beliefs.

          • HeilMary1

            He’s pushing a sexual caste system that indulges himself, RCC clergy and GOP adulterers with Roman orgies and punishes us with Magdalene laundries if we even think about sex.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Clueless.

          • colleen

            I will, say that if all men were like this I certainly would not be looking for sex with men. Good lord, a woman would have to completely loathe herself …..

          • DivineWordRadio

            I expect that we not wrongfully take the lives of our offspring for convenience.

          • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

            Thankfully, abortion doesn’t involve that at all, so you’re in the clear.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Dream on. It will help you sleep through the lie.

          • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

            It’s rather telling that you respond in anger and a lashing-out like that rather than actually learning how you’re misusing big words you don’t understand. I’m not offended. I understand why you must do it.

          • jejune

            Yeah, if an 8 yo victim of rape wants to abort the pregnancy, you will accuse her of doing it for convenience, amirite?

    • fiona64

      we give the impression that we are moralists with a few somewhat antiquated convictions,

      If your Disqus history is anything to go by, I would say that impression would be very accurate.

      • DivineWordRadio

        Then you need to learn that there is much more. This is certainly a part, but not all.

        • HeilMary1

          You mean like Jeffrey Dahmer, who was a wonderful co-worker at his chocolate factory, never mind his personal mayhem?

          • DivineWordRadio

            I’m certain that makes sense to someone.

    • jejune

      Why do you hate women so much?

      • DivineWordRadio

        I don’t. Why do you?

        • jejune

          You’re the pervert who thinks that an 8 yo victim of rape should be forced to carry the pregnancy to term, even if it rips her body apart

          You are one sick fucker.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Your language establishes who is sick here.

          • jejune

            Oh, so by your logic, Hitler was a good guy because he never used ‘bad werds’ :P

            lol

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Okay. Point of information: I begin to wonder, fellow inhabitants of this thread, why PubicFocusRadio is hanging out here. I think a couple of things may be going on, for you to consider as you read this thread. 1. PubicFocus may be using this content on its radio show. 2. PubicFocus is whacking off. He has got the KY and the kleenex right by the computer. My weirdo alarm is clanging bigtime.

    • HeilMary1

      The weirdo alarm definitely is clanging like a five alarm fire. Does he actually have his own show, or is he a program content director? I suspect his second wife has serious reproductive health issues, may be fed up with his abuse, and is practicing total abstinence. She may be trying to leave him, if she hasn’t already. He probably also is a hooker and internet porn addict, and regularly insults women about their looks. He probably stalks anyone who slightly offends his toddler sensibilities.

      • DivineWordRadio

        I wouldn’t quit my day job if I were you. Of do you have a day job?

        • jejune

          At least she doesn’t go around saying that pre-teen victims of rape should just have the baby.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            PubicFocus wrote that? Sicker than I thought.

          • jejune

            Yes. I bring up the ‘8 year old rape victim’ question *a lot* – but I do so just to see how sick and depraved these forced birthers actually are.

            Joseph O Polanco said that such victims should be 1) counselled on morality 2) move

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Wow. What a pukefest.

          • jejune

            I think that JOP and DWR are proof of the old saying that religion legitimized horrific acts.

            As long as you think you’ve got a deity on your side, you can justify all sorts of abuses.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yep. No wonder atheists think religious folk are the dregs. They have the JOP and DWR example before them. Or pervs like them. DWR is a fricking pervert. The guy is getting off on the words we type. Ewwwww. Eww.

          • HeilMary1

            That’s exactly how the Nazis made deals with the Vatican and recruited so many “family values” bullies throughout Europe.

        • HeilMary1

          I don’t shame people for a living, if that’s what you mean, Gene.

    • HeilMary1

      also, I think he’s trolling for a new brood mare, and hopes converting a pro-choice feminista will win him an annulment from wifey No. 2 who won’t chance death by another pregnancy.

      • DivineWordRadio

        Then you are again clueless.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        God, he better make sure none of his “prospects” read these boards. Nobody sane would do him if they did read his droppings.

    • Jennifer Starr

      How many times now has he left in a huff only to come back?

      • jejune

        He’s jerkin it every time he thinks about how the big meanies on RHRC have martyred him.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Can’t you just see him sitting in front of the compiter, all sweaty, in his sweatpants, football sweatshirt, just whacking away. Icky poo poo.

          • HeilMary1

            At least we’re keeping him away from the underage websites!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yeah, look on the bright side.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I love it when I get it right. Fricking pervert.

    • expect_resistance

      Major ick factor. Could be all of the above.

  • DivineWordRadio

    Whatever that means.

  • DivineWordRadio

    Try out FaceBook.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Oh shut up.

  • jejune

    Yeah seriously, shut up you fucking fucknut.

  • Jennifer Starr

    Parrot who squawks out random religious phrases at random. Eleventy! Smeg off!

  • colleen

    Please take your right wing Christian ‘love’ someplace else.

  • HeilMary1

    Thanks. Allowing comments would be a Pandora’s Box for them. ;D

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Absolutely. I would be there commenting.

      • HeilMary1

        I’ve been kicked off many uber Catholic web sites. Even the mildest dissention triggers an avalanch of vitriol.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Oh yeah. I have been kicked off a number of sites. LifeSite News, Catholic Reporter, dkos …