Ohio Judge Rules Abortion Protests Outside Evangelical Church Must Move


Anti-choice activists are taking their protests to an unlikely place, targeting churches and worshipers leaving Sunday services. So far, courts have disapproved.

First was the case in Colorado, where anti-choice protesters targeted families leaving Easter services, scaring the young children there so badly the state supreme court intervened. Now comes this case from Ohio, where members of the national hard-right Christian group Minutemen United have targeted Vineyard Columbus, one of Ohio’s largest churches, arguing the church has not done enough in the fight against abortion. According to reports, the group targeted the orthodox, evangelical church and the church’s practice of helping patients recover from abortions and accepting gay members into its 8,500-member congregation. The protests included leaflets and large signs calling the church “pagan” with graphic images of purported aborted fetuses.

The church sued, claiming the protesters were trespassing, and on Wednesday Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Charles Schneider agreed, ruling the group had crossed into private property and off a public right-of-way and shut the protests down. “Due to the absence of a sidewalk, a berm or a shoulder on Vineyard’s property, the city has a prescriptive easement only to the edge of the pavement,” Schneider wrote. “The right of way can be no larger.”

Last month, the judge issued a temporary restraining order against Minutemen United while he considered the case. His order on Wednesday made it clear the protesters are not allowed to place “signs or any other object of any type” on Vineyard’s property. The decision is not likely to end protests, simply move them to where the court determined the public right of way on the road to the church ends, which is effectively across the street from the church.

A member of the Minutemen United, who represents himself in the case, told reporters for the Columbus Dispatch he expected the ruling would be appealed.

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  • fiona64

    These anti-choice nutters get worse every day. Heaven forfend (no pun intended) that a church do what Jesus actually taught … by welcoming *everyone* to the table!

    • HeilMary1

      I’d love to ask Jesus what he thinks of gay fetuses and infants! Would he tolerate churches snubbing infants and fetuses diagnosed with intersex conditions?

      • fiona64

        I don’t think he would, to be honest. Thing is, Rabbi Yeshua is nothing like the Jesus that these Christian-in-name-only types have created in their own images. They’d probably run him out of town on a rail if he showed up in their midst … a swarthy, bearded Middle-Easterner with radical ideas like feeding the hungry and caring for the ill.

        • HeilMary1

          Yup! Many years ago, the Washington Post reviewed a play about the ironic religious dilemma of an anti-abortion couple whose fetus was diagnosed as gay.

      • KC

        Last time I checked everyone was born Physiologically Heterosexual. How can a pre-born child be homosexual, when they aren’t even aware of what sex is yet, let alone anything else. I realize there are many birth defects out there, but since when have churches snubbed an infant?

        • Valde

          Because of epigenetics you ignorant twit.

          It is believed that conditions within the womb are responsible for homosexuality.

          • Andrew James Robertson I

            It is not “believed” conclusively by anyone w/in the psychological or medical community. Research is still out on that one friend.

          • Valde

            Point being, sexuality is not necessarily a conscious *choice* that people make when they hit puberty.

            Hmm..am I going to be homosexual or straight…I JUST CAN’T DECIDE

          • fiona64

            Actually, you’re incorrect. http://www dot ncbi dot nlm dot nih dot gov/pubmed/11534970 But hey, what do scientists writing for peer-reviewed publications know, right?

            Abstract (emphasis added):

            In men, sexual orientation correlates with an individual’s number of older brothers, each additional older brother increasing the odds of homosexuality by approximately 33%. It has been hypothesized that this fraternal birth order effect reflects the progressive immunization of some mothers to Y-linked minor histocompatibility antigens (H-Y antigens) by each succeeding male fetusand the concomitantly increasing effects of such maternal immunization on the future sexual orientation of each succeeding male fetus. According to this hypothesis, anti-H-Y antibodies produced by the motherpass through the placental barrier to the fetus and affect aspects of sexual differentiation in the fetal brain. This explanation is consistent with a variety of evidence, including the apparent irrelevance of older sisters to the sexual orientation of later born males, the probable involvement of H-Y antigen in the development of sex-typical traits, and the detrimental effects of immunization of female mice to H-Y antigen on the reproductive performance of subsequent male offspring. The maternal immune hypothesis might also explain the recent finding that heterosexual males with older brothers weigh less at birth than heterosexual males with older sisters and homosexual males with older brothers weigh even less than heterosexual males with older brothers.

          • fiona64

            reply to nivekyaj, in moderation:

            Peer-reviewed science is not “rhetoric,” dear. You might want to learn the meaning of the word before you employ it.

        • Ella Warnock

          “when they aren’t even aware of what sex is yet, let alone anything else”

          Yes, rather.

        • fiona64

          Sexual orientation has nothing whatsoever to do with physical genitalia.

        • goatini

          Churches actually DO snub and try to ban handicapped children. Google Adam Race.

  • http://diegueno.tumblr.com/ diegueno

    Since I began questioning the place of church (any church) in one’s relationship with God, I get a kind of schadenfreude from reading stuff like this.

  • jruwaldt

    I’m surprised they disapprove of the “healing after abortion.” I guess they think you need to suffer for the rest of your life for your abortion. Plus, they probably think these dirty sluts who had abortions shouldn’t be allowed in a church. Obviously they aren’t supporters of Project Rachel.

  • http://thehomespunlife.com/ Sisterlisa

    The protesters clearly don’t understand the main tenent of the Christian faith.. love one another.

    • Freethinker01

      Does that tenet extend to all human beings…even the unborn? You know…those babies that can feel pain at 20 weeks of age? Those babies that flinch and gasp and make little fists as they’re being dismembered during an abortion?
      It seems to be the Christian religion is all about protecting and defending the innocent. What greater love is there than to defend the innocent from being killed?

      • fiona64

        Fetii cannot feel pain at 20 weeks’ gestation age; the myelin sheath is not present, which is what is required to experience pain. It doesn’t even begin to show up until 24 weeks’ gestational age. Pithed frogs respond to stimulus, and they can’t feel a thing.

        Oh, and one tiny pro-tip: “The Silent Scream is fake. Just a few facts on the matter here: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Abortion-Pro-Choice-338/2011/11/abortion-28.htm

      • Ella Warnock

        And why is it, again, that I am concerned about what the christian religion is about? Greater love? Holy cow, now you want to tell us all what “greater love” should mean to everyone else? See, this is why we can’t have nice things . . .

      • colleen2

        defending the innocent from the assholes of the religious right.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        How many abortions have you had and at what stage? And is “the unborn” kind of like “the undead?” If you have to torture language to make a point, you have no point to make.

        I am getting really tired of Forced Birther perverts who inflict their fantasies of killing babies on me. Get a therapist. Get a job. Get a life.

    • KC

      The Protesters with AHA understand “Thou Shall Not Murder” and that most professing Christian’s don’t obey Gods’ Word and Love their pre-born neighbor as themselves. If these people do not stand up and wake up the sleeping Church, who will? It’s a shame that Evangelical and Catholic women alike show up at abortion clinics to kill their pre-born children, instead of being ambassadors for Christ, and helping abolish abortion.

      • Valde

        It’s because no one actually believes that an embryo is a person except for religious fuckwits who wish to control female sexuality by forcing women to be victims of their fertility.

        • KC

          So you don’t believe what medical science has proven to be true? What kind of a moron can’t understand “Thou Shall Not Kill?” We do not wish to control women, this is about what is right, v.s. what is evil! Dehumanizing a pre-born child is just as wrong as dehumanizing a black man, and making a slave out of him. So i’m guessing you support slavery also? How about modern sex-slavery? Do you approve of puppy mills?

          • Valde

            Actually, it is ‘tho shall not murder’ – the Israelites had no qualms whatsoever about killing animals, their enemies, or committing outright genocide against the Amalekite people – babies and fetii included.

            And black men are sentient/sapient individuals who do not live inside another person and infringe on that person’s rights.

            Did you know that during Antebellum slavery, female slaves were owned and often traded as livestock? Yep, – they were raped, and forced to give birth. Tell me, in you world, the female slaves who aborted their pregnancies – do you consider them to be murderers?

          • KC

            Every black man started inside some woman’s womb. Black men were grabbed form their native Africa, crammed onto slave ships, and shipped off to the slave markets. Any group of people that are labeled as less than human so that they may be taken, forced to work, or killed for profit is wrong! Abortion is Child Sacrifice! EVIL!

            Israel was also attacked and their people slaughtered in battle, raped, etc. That does not excuse the dehumanization and murder of some 56 Million Pre-born Children in this country! Abortion is Inexcusable!

          • Valde

            Forced pregnancy is slavery. And trying to compare a woman protecting her bodily autonomy to the torture and confinement of born sentient/sapient individuals is quite disgusting, to say the least.

          • Valde

            Tell me, in you world, the female slaves who aborted their pregnancies – do you consider them to be murderers?

          • colleen2

            Thi8s isn’t a person who thinks of women as ‘people’. This is a person who thinks of women as things that produce babies. We aren’t en

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ayinde-Truxon-Flores/1196187056 Ayinde Truxon Flores

            Please stop using black people and slavery to make your point. It is offensive.

          • Dez

            I agree.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Is a slave attached to me by umbilical cord and sucking my blood? Stupid analogy.

            And Jehovah God was fond of abortion used as a tool of genocidal war. You do not actually read the Bible, do you. Jehovah is PRO abortion.

          • Ella Warnock

            Stick to the point, KC. We’re not talking about slavery or puppy mills or whatever red herring you’re going to come up with next.

          • fiona64

            You mean, the way you dehumanize pregnant women by willingly enslaving them to embryos?

          • Amanda Kazarian

            Christians have killed many in the name of their God. Try again.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Stop pretending that every fertilized ova results automatically and inevitably in a bouncing baby. Some women cannot carry a fetus to term no matter how they try. This fantasy is incredibly cruel to them. Why do I bother? Fetus Fetishists hate women.

      • fiona64

        Oh, now, see, you’ve forced me to point out that in Numbers 5:11-31, a woman is made to consume an abortifacient. If you want to bring up the Bible, be prepared to receive some Sunday school lessons that you might not like.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          And the dead fetus being proof of the adultery. That trial by ordeal is part of Mosaic law and Jesus never mentioned it. You cannot claim Jesus as anti abortion and be truthful.

          Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother’s life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

          An unborn child has the status of “potential human life” until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother’s, because you cannot choose between one human life and another.

          • fiona64

            Since I never claimed Jesus as anti-abortion, I think you’re replying to the wrong poster. I am fully aware that a fetus is a potential person and not an actual one, and I’m very much pro-choice.

      • goatini

        Oh, this crap is cooked up by the AHA fetus fetish twits, who are on the same side as the slaveowners in their desire to impose gestational slavery on, and strip civil, human and Constitutional rights from, female US citizens. Fortunately the AHAers’ vicious theocratic misogyny is completely transparent ,and no sane person takes them seriously.

    • colleen2

      The form of Christianity practiced by the religious right has nothing at all to do with love and everything to do with control, domination and real hatred.

  • Beatrice

    Uh, let’s not get too excited. Vineyard Christian Fellowship helps women recover from abortions by convincing them that they’ve done such a terrible thing that they will have life-long negative physical and emotional repercussions and that they must ask for forgiveness from their “unborn child” and their community and their church and pretty much the whole world. Vineyard is involved with groups like “Project Rachel.” You know – where they support women who’ve had abortions by shaming them, providing them with information about the thoroughly debunked “post-abortion syndrome,” giving them incorrect and skewed information about the “link” between abortion and breast cancer, and abortion and infertility, and explaining that in order to recover from having an abortion, they have to essentially GROVEL for doing such a terrible thing.

    • Freethinker01

      Women regularly and voluntarily come forward to say how their lives were destroyed by their abortions. How depression and guilt and medical problems plagued them.
      Why do you ignore your fellow post-abortive women, their stories, and their needs? Why belittle them and their real-life stories just so you can prop up your desire to allow unborn babies to be killed?

      • fiona64

        Citations needed. Thanks in advance.

      • Valde

        Why belittle them and their real-life stories just so you can prop up your desire to allow unborn babies to be killed?

        You’ve figured it out. Pro-choicers just have sex, and persuade others to have sex, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KILL AS MANY BAYBEEZ AS POSSIBLE

      • Beatrice

        Please cite some evidence to back up your claim. The information I’ve seen indicates that most women feel a profound sense of relief after an abortion, that abortions have less medical risks than many other procedures (like, for example, childbirth), and that women who suffer from depression after undergoing an abortion are people who suffered from depression before the abortion as well.
        I’ll just make the obligatory statement here that correlation is NOT causation.

        Also, seriously, “post-abortive women?” Way to reduce a person to one medical procedure they’ve undergone. How insulting.

      • colleen2

        Why should we pander to the ‘consciences’ of women who would sink so low they would affiliate with an organization like Priests for Life?

      • Amanda Kazarian

        I get depressed by being judged by people for my child-free goal oriented lifestyle. And no I haven’t had an abortion, I just enjoy sex with my husband that doesn’t lead to pregnancy. Imagine that?

  • Freethinker01

    “Anti-choice”. What an ugly way to reference a procedure that kills and dismembers a human being.
    For years, those advocating for the killing of babies have used euphemisms to cover up the reality of abortion. “Choice”, “my body”, “parasite”, “fetus”, “blob”, “pregnancy”, “termination”. Something–anything–to mask the humanness of a baby.
    The beauty of these protests and the graphic pictures they show is that they force people to see the very thing they pretend doesn’t exist. Killers hide in the shadows and try to hide their deeds. Killers can be stopped by dragging their deeds into the light of day.
    Constitutional due process must reign supreme for all.

    • Valde

      You are an ignorant twit because the majority of abortions occur before 13 weeks, and 61% occur before 9 weeks where there is no dismembering because THERE ARE NO LIMBS ONLY LIMB BUDS

      The embyro is often removed in it’s entirety.

      • KC

        You are sorely misinformed! At 13 weeks:

        The fetus has grown to about 3 inches (8cm) long. Weight approximately 1 ounce (25 grams). Bone is beginning to replace cartilage and the ribs are appearing. The nose and chin are well defined. Movements can be measured. The child will begin to learn to suck its thumb. The child can open and close its mouth. The external genitalia are almost defined, it may be possible to tell if baby is a boy or girl.

        • Valde

          61% at the embryonic stage dumbass, or are you too dumb to read?

          Also, at 13 weeks it is so small that it can be vacuum aspirated out.

          • KC

            IT’S MURDER! AND YOU AN ACCESSORY TOO IT!

          • Valde

            How much jail time should women get for procuring an abortion?

          • Ella Warnock

            Oh good grief, settle down. We’ve got people stomping in here all the time, emoing like nobody’s business. Histrionics will get you nowhere.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Come on–I’m sure you can get even more hysterical if you try really hard.

          • fiona64

            Oh, dear. I’m afraid that wasn’t nearly histrionic enough. You’re going to have to try harder in future. (Oh, and learn correct grammar to boot.)

          • colleen2

            why is it that only the really stupid women are Republican?

    • Amanda Kazarian

      Then make long term contraception and sterilization more accessable, and no, not just condoms, thats not long term. If IUDs are cheaper and birth control pills were over the counter, abortion rates go down.

      Easy right?

  • RobertPFrancis

    Abortion kills a human child, usually through horrific dismemberment. No greater evil is there than a woman who can turn on her own child and have it slaughtered.

    • goatini

      The vast majority of safe, legal pregnancy terminations occur when a product of conception is smaller than a lima bean that can’t be “dismembered”.

      And the very, very small number of later-term safe, legal pregnancy terminations that are performed ALL occur for heartbreaking reasons, that are so very tragic that I would not even wish them upon the most virulent forced-birther.

  • KC

    I will continue to use slavery, black men, etc. to drive home my point. If you think that this is offensive, tough! The dehumanization on the Pre-born is no different than the dehumanization of blacks, Jews (holocaust), etc. Saying that a Pre-born child is less than human so that you can murder it for profit is just as wrong as slavery. You blood-lusters need to wake up!

    • Dez

      And that’s why you forced birthers have my complete disdain. You’re as bad as the plantation owners that forced my ancestors to give birth against their will as breeding cattle. We know you do not give a damn about black women or men like most forced birthers. We can see right through your fake concern.

    • fiona64

      But it’s totes okay for you to dehumanize born, sapient, sentient *women* by abrogating their liberty … in essence, enslaving them to embryos.

      Okey-dokey then.

      I’m afraid you’ve broken my irony meter.

    • Ella Warnock

      I will continue to stomp, scream, and hold my breath until you blood-lusters wake up! There, fixed it for ya.

    • Jennifer Starr

      You wrote: I will continue to use slavery, black men, etc. to drive home my point. If you think that this is offensive, tough!

      Yes, because that’s all they are to you–talking points for your cause. Pretty damn dehumanizing, if you ask me.

    • Valde

      You still haven’t answered my question cupcake.

      During antebellum slavery female slaves were traded like livestock and forcibly impregnated. These women aborted these pregnancies at every opportunity

      So, do tell us, how much punishment should a female slave have received for ‘murdering’ her’ unborn child?”

      I’ll wait.

      • fiona64

        I will continue to use slavery, black men, etc. to drive home my point. If you think that this is offensive, tough!

        Do, you dehumanize actual born, sapient sentient people by turning them into talking points.

        Yeah, that’s an effective tactic. /sarcasm

        • Valde

          Seconded.

          I can’t even check Patheos now because the fucking page won’t load.

  • goatini

    Thank you. The entire “post-abortion syndrome” nonsense is ENTIRELY caused by the infliction of false blame, false shame, and emotional and verbal abuse, upon a perfectly innocent person who has done nothing wrong, illegal, or immoral in availing herself of her 14th Amendment rights to privacy in her most personal healthcare decisions.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Yeah, but Jesus did not have a problem with gay folks. Matthew 19:12 sounds pretty understanding to me.

    ‘For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others–and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”