• http://www.yepi10.net/ yepi 10

    new information with me!
    Memo to Trojan: Non-Married People Have Sex. Get Over It.

  • fiona64

    As is common with moralizing hypocrites, a lot of them have an acute
    case of Special Snowflake Syndrome, where they believe that it was okay
    for them to do it, but they just think the rest of you aren’t mature or
    sensible enough to handle non-marital sex. The anti-choice movement
    needs this sort of thinking to exist, in fact.

    Exactly. I call it “Do As I Say, Not As I Do” Syndrome. One can see numerous examples of this on anti-choice sites, in which some woman writes about her alleged awful experiences of having an abortion and then says “But you shouldn’t have the same choice I did.” Hypocrisy abounds.

    • Jonathan Kuperberg

      Can people not *change their mind*? What about people who once opposed homosexuality and now write effusive gushes of praise for the pro-sodomy side with “apologies” for daring to “offend” the precious sensitivities of unrepentant same-sexers? Do you consider them “hypocrites” in their describing their alleged awful experiences of being “homophobes” then saying “But you shouldn’t have the same opinions and religious beliefs I did.”?

      • fiona64

        Certainly people can change their minds, but it is still the height of hypocrisy to go about saying “I exercised my right, but you shouldn’t.” Sort of like Bristol Palin, who clearly didn’t exercise her “abstinence-only” policy that she is pleased to tout to others.

      • belgianchic

        i have a question- why are you equating pro-sodomy with pro-marriage equality and pro-acceptance of other sexual orientation people? i ask because while we are certainly pro-sodomy, lol, sodomy is not reserved for gay people. food for thought.

        • Jonathan Kuperberg

          because most people consider sodomy to be man/man anal in everyday speech… sure it technically means any oral or anal sex involving a penis, and I have seen some legal definitions even include sex with animals… but that’s not the commonly used definition any more. kind of like people have changed how they use the word “marriage” :P

          • belgianchic

            its not, though. biblically its just any non-vaginal sex. most people understand it to be anal sex, not oral or anything. However, not just gay men have anal sex. Plenty of straight couples do too!

            Actually, the famous ‘definition of marriage’ has changed quite a lot over time, but expanding equal rights doesn’t change it. It’s still two consenting adults, just like it was before. nobody has really changed how they used the word marriage. It’s just governments are stopping discriminating between who can partake in the institution of marriage and who cannot.

          • Arekushieru

            Then, what about the polyamourous, belgianchic? I think that, too, is discriminatory, after all, when all consenting adults cannot marry whom they wish.

          • belgianchic

            of course, that is discriminatory as well. That is an issue i do not know very much about, but I am learning. It is certainly discrimination when heterosexual couples are allowed to marry but homosexual couples are not. Polyamory is complicated but people are learning.

      • Arekushieru

        Um, false equivalence fallacy alert! One is not ‘pro-sodomy’, nor is anyone writing ‘effusive gushes of praise’ for them, as you would have it. It’s like you think someone who is heterosexual can only be anti-homosexuality. If not, then you shouldn’t be conflating hypocrisy, a term that is only used to identify specific actions, with a GENERAL position. Oi.

  • John H

    But are they married to each other???

    • HeilMary1

      Thank you! — at least one of Newt Gingrich’s many mistresses was also married to someone else!

    • http://exploringthejungle.wordpress.com/ Kat

      That was my second thought upon seeing this.

      My first thought was that my husband and I don’t even wear our wedding rings while having sex. Too much potential to get them caught on something sensitive. Granted, I have no idea how typical that is, but it made the whole thing look even more contrived to me.

  • Guest

    “Most of us who are sexually active and not married are going to watch these ads and feel judged and icky about our choices”; like duh. u should.

    • belgianchic

      um…..judged and icky about my sexual choices? no thanks. sounds awful. and actually, i don’t feel icky at all~ i feel awesome! like duh, nobody likes a judgey mcjudgerson.

    • Jonathan Kuperberg

      Trojan have the absolute RIGHT to judge people’s choices. If they don’t like being judged- tough. They have no legal or physical power to *stop* anyone doing what they want to sexually and the fact they sell condoms shows they can’t care that much.

      • Jennifer Starr

        Why does selling condoms show they can’t care?

        • Jonathan Kuperberg

          Because they sell condoms that go to all sorts of people. If you are so strict about not wanting a large proportion of the population to have sex, I doubt you’d choose that line of business. They’re not a Christian exclusive club that sells to married couples only, like one Christian online sex toy store I heard of which requires purchasers of all products including condoms to accept terms and conditions including “I warrant I am married to a person of the opposite sex”. They opened because they had heard from pro-family, pro-sex married Christian couples who wanted marital aids (as the products were called in more pro-family days) but found it against their conscience to buy them from mainstream sex shops where porn would be on display and it would possibly scandalise other believers who saw them.

          Apart from which, they have ran steamier ads in the past which do *not* feature wedding rings, and unlike Chick-fil-A have made no public statements in support of traditional sexual morality… the evidence is that they’re not some Religious Right group on this issue.

  • marie72

    Its funny most people that use condoms are single people.I think the add is fine,married people have sex too.I bet the next add will be single people…

  • Jonathan Kuperberg

    How come the aggressive pro-fornication camp, who claim to feel so comfortable about their sexual choices compared to the “repressed” “prudish” “bigots” who they ridiculously describe as having “neuroses”, “anxieties” and “hang-ups” rather than morals, values and beliefs, become SUPER defensive whenever a link is made between sex and marriage, and Firebaggers set the SF-Valuesphere on fire peddling hyperbolic and foul-mouthed invective at the person/s who made such contraband sex-marriage links? As you berate those who are part of a majority and insist on further marginalizing or belittling minorities, and you call out Christians and religious people for *their* offensive language when they go too far, surely it’s the likes of Marcotte who are hypocrites.

    As an anti-racist, I have often said it is irrational for white people to fear minorities as they do not have the societal power to ruin our lives- whereas unchecked white privilege has ruined the lives of many people of color. The same logic surely applies here if those who reject fornication are a minority in current-day Western culture: pray tell me HOW, exactly, they are a threat to the majority? Why spend your time bashing “antisex puritans” for expressing their freedom of choice, expression and belief with their “judgey” comments about the sexual immorality of others?

    • belgianchic

      because its not just their own ‘freedom of choice, expression, and belief’ when it impacts other people’s access to health care. we literally couldn’t care less what other people choose to do sexually. if people want to wait for marriage- fine! go for it! do your own thing. but it doesn’t make you a better person than someone who had sex, and it certainly doesn’t give anyone the right to determine what kind of health care i get.

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