An Open Letter to Anyone Ready to Write Off Texas: Don’t, Because it’s *Your* Future at Stake


Update: After many hours of protest by hundreds of pro-choice Texans, early Monday morning Texas lawmakers gave preliminary approval to the abortion restrictions being considered during the state legislature’s special session. Watch RH Reality Check for more reporting on this story later today.

See all our coverage of the “people’s filibuster” against HB 60 here.

Covering Texas politics as a feminist journalist, one of the things I hear a lot is: Why don’t you leave? What else do you expect … it’s Texas?

To those people, I say this: I see your smugness. It is a sign of passivity and privilege. And it is dangerous.

Right now, I’m sitting in the Texas State Capitol’s house gallery, surrounded by hundreds of Texans wearing orange shirts in support of reproductive rights, here to protest an omnibus anti-choice bill that would shut down all but five abortion clinics in the state, ban abortions after 20 weeks, and make medical abortions all but impossible to prescribe or obtain legally.

If some of that sounds familiar, I want you to remember what happened in the United States House of Representatives this week: that body launched an attack on our bodies, passing a 20-week abortion ban.

It’s no accident or coincidence that so-called flyover states have passed highly restrictive abortion bills in advance of Congress’ vote. That’s part of the plan. Anti-choice politicians and activists have been working for years to reduce access to abortion in red states where they know they’ll find little opposition from friendly legislators looking to ramp up the war on women.

Texas is not a throw-away state full of throw-away people who can be shrugged off with a contemptuous, “Well, what do you expect?” Texas is not an outlier. Texas is a test case for right-wingers with their eyes on the coasts and, as Congress showed this week, Washington, D.C.

Three days ago, hundreds of pro-choice activists slammed a House State Affairs committee with just 24 hours’ notice, sending committee chairman Rep. Byron Cook into a full-fledged fluster as he tried to shut them out and shut them up.

Organizers expected this people’s filibuster to be a Hail Mary pass. Instead, it became a rallying cry for Texans who have, for years, felt ignored by Republican and Tea Party legislators who listen only to a handful of anti-science, anti-choice, anti-medicine Bible-thumpers, and who have been wholly disenfranchised by an openly racist redistricting system that explicitly sought to exclude people of color from voting in meaningful numbers for their representatives.

Indeed, I think we can forgive Texans for being a little meek when their anti-choice (“pro-life”) representatives straight up threaten them with guns for holding opposing views.

TexasDespite all that, Texans are here at their state capitol today, undeterred and ready for an all-night fight for reproductive freedom. I just heard that donors from across the country have ordered pizza delivered to overflow rooms, and local coffee shops are offering up Texas-sized to-go containers in solidarity.

So if you ask me, “What do you expect? It’s Texas,” I’ll tell you that what I expect is 700 people, packed into the capitol building on a Sunday, hugging and crying and chanting because they have had enough. I expect to be unable to walk through the airy, bright Capitol rotunda because it is packed, wall to wall, with people holding hands and holding “My body, my choice!” signs, within sight of Gov. Ann Richards’ portrait.

If Texas is a hopeless bastion of bumpkins, stocked from the Rio Grande to the Red River with disposable citizens too stupid to know what’s good for them, then I am proud to be sitting among the best of them this afternoon.

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  • Jennifer PM

    Right on Andrea! Thank you for your dedicated coverage these last few days and always.

  • Molly Terry

    Thank you for this. We are not throw away citizens and neither are the rest of the people trapped in extremist right wing states right now. This is now. This is happening right now. Not in the 60′s not in the 50′s, right now. We look back onto historical events and say “only if some one did something” well this is our chance. This is our chance to save women from the brink of death and injury while self inducing their own abortions, women who are put in danger because doctors are afraid to give them care during a miscarriage, and women who are put in danger because they have eptopic pregnancies and abortions increase 3 fold in cost. This is now, we can do something about it right now.

  • Skulander

    Great points. It’s dangerous to shrug off ANY state because eventually they’ll make headways into other states. Antichoice, anti-women views that put women’s lives at risk must be stopped immediately.

    Also: Texas women deserve the same rights as women of, say, New York City. And it’s truly heartwarming to see so many women packing the state capitol to defend their rights.

    There’s one thing, however, that people need to keep in mind. Those antichoice folks will never stop attacking women. They’ll never stop putting our lives at risk. The only way to make sure they are in no position to do harm is to VOTE THEM OUT! How does this happen? By VOTING in the first place.

    • texasaggie

      Texas women deserve the same rights as PEOPLE of any country in the world. But I get your point and agree with it whole heartedly.

      • Skulander

        Indeed, absolutely agreed! EVERYONE deserves the right to a safe, legal abortion, regardless of where they live.

        • bigovernmentsocialconservative

          I’m on your side largely (and probably even more than you on the choice aspect), but I’ll qualify that the right is there with regard to ACCESS to abortion services.

          If the State keeps its fingers out of the market, then the “Right” to the procedure itself is limited by the individual’s ability to pay.

          Of course, I understand the pro-choicers’ argument that the State DOES interfere in the market, and adds unnecessary procedures with the intent of making it costly and prohibitive. In that context, I DO agree with pro-choicers using the democratic process to assist access for those who cannot afford to pay, in part due to such interference.

          But that shouln’t be taken as a “de-facto Right”, and must be viewed as a responsive MORAL right to an abuse of democracy by anti-choicers.

  • http://khanneasunztu.wordpress.com/ KhanneaSuntzu

    If you can make it in Texas you can make it anywhere.

  • D.

    I have no idea why you had to include the disparaging remarks to religion. Just like you are entitled to believe as you will, so are they. No need to insult anyone. And as for the “anti science remark”, I’d like to remind you that 20 weeks, or 5 MONTHS, is where the fetus can already feel pain (ie: is a sentient being). This isn’t a religious matter, it’s a matter or humane treatment of another creature. If you have let a creature develop and live for that long, it is cruel to kill an otherwise viable human being.

    • GLENDA GENTRY

      Well, you just proved why she put those remarks in.

    • Starlyn

      You fail to understand that reproduction is complicated and many different circumstances can arise during the course of a pregnancy. You are right about one thing, religion has nothing to do with this. Most late term abortions are not a matter of waiting too long. Sometimes heart breaking decisions must be made due to a medical situation that arises during pregnancy. A woman and her Dr should make these decisions NOT an ill informed public or a government official. Hopefully we can nearly eliminate abortion through effective sex education, access to birth control and adequate prenatal care. However, we will always need to allow Drs and patients to make hard decisions themselves without government interference. I suffered a loss due to preterm labor at 21wks gestation and know that a baby of that age is well developed and can feel pain. I would love to eliminate abortion but I am fully informed about the facts and the reality of what women face. The decision to have an abortion at any point in gestation must be made by a woman and her Dr. That is the most compassionate and civil approach toward this difficult decision.

    • Cade DeBois

      You mean the “a handful of anti-science, anti-choice, anti-medicine Bible-thumpers” comment? Oh, dear, aren’t you delicate. First off, it’s disparging these specific people, not their relgion. Moreover, I’m a woman who’s had an abortion. Do you know what those people call me? Spare me your pearl-clunching, dear.

      These are a small segment of the population who routinely oppose science education and seek to obstruct the intellectual development of our children and their ability to think, discern and function in the contemporary world. They also are insistantly hostile to women’s liberties, safety and dignity and to the freedom of medical choices and wellbeing of others. And they justfy it all by appealing to the Bible. In other words, “a handful of anti-science, anti-choice, anti-medicine Bible-thumpers”. And on top of that, they accuse a woman like me of being a “murderer” or my own “child” all so to shame me for doing what was the best for myself, my health, my body and my life. In other words, I as a human being am of no value in their eyes–only the fetus that was in my womb for a few weeks, that was far too underdeveloped to have the consciusness and awareness and personhood I or any born human being possesses. They get no sympathy. Anyone who thinks another person is of no value so to promote their ideology is evil. And evil people don’t deserve it. How’s that for “disparaging”?

      And while you are entitled to your own opinions, even grossly bigoted, biased and uninformed ones, you are NOT entitled to yor own facts nor to your own definitions of commonly used words and terms. When we talk about “sentient beings” it DOES NOT mean simply that it can feel pain. If that was the case, than pretty much any living thing with a nervous system is a “sentient being”. What we mean by that is beings capable fo self-awareness and the awareness of others. And fetuses do not demonstart that. Hell, not even newborns do. They don’t begin to develop that level of sentience until AFTER birth, when theybegin interacting iwth the world and other humans, which triggers the brain to develop in a way it simply does not in the womb.

      Yes, the word “sentience” in science and philosophy broadly means the capacity to sense, but that can apply to anything that reacts to another thing, like water or air. In that broad sense, it’s meanless in the abortion debate. Of course a fetus has some degree of sentience, but it is not equal to that of a born human being whose nervous system is developed and has begun to sense and understand of the world outside of the womb. Very different stages of “sentience” there and you are either ignoring them out of ignorance, laziness, contempt or convenience, none of which will win this argument for you.

    • belgianchic

      you fail to understand that the vast majority of abortions after 20 weeks are for health reasons. Why on earth would a woman go through five months of pregnancy only to have an abortion if there wasn’t a very good reason? anti-choicers cannot understand that, but that is why the significance of Texas pro-choice activists is so important.

    • Les1lesley

      20 Weeks is not an “otherwise viable human being”. A fetus cannot survive outside the womb at 20 weeks gestation.
      I am fully in favour of the ban on abortion past the point of viability outside the womb. A woman could simply deliver at that point and under the safe haven laws, leave the newborn at the hospital.
      Anything before the point of viability is 100% the decision of the person growing the fetus. Her rights come first, and just because she happened to be born with a uterus does not mean she can be forced into being a walking incubator. That would be like making organ donation legally mandatory. That if you’re a match, you are legally obligated to donate a kidney/lung/liver etc, regardless of your health, ability to care for yourself post surgery, financial situation, health care status, etc. You have no choice; the gov’t has decided you MUST use your body parts to keep another person alive and you don’t get a choice.
      When you’re ready to advocate for mandatory organ donation to keep someone (who already has rights as a legal human being) alive, then we can talk about mandatory uterus donation to keep a fetus (not legally considered a person) alive.

      • JenniferGS

        “When you’re ready to advocate for mandatory organ donation to keep someone (who already has rights as a legal human being) alive, then we can talk about mandatory uterus donation to keep a fetus (not legally considered a person) alive.”

        Well, that depends. Are you responsible for the other person needing an organ? The reason I ask is because the woman is responsible for the fact that the fetus is dependent on her. Normally, I’m against forced organ donation, but if you damage someone else’s organ, you should be compelled to replace it because it’s YOUR FAULT that the other person needs it. Likewise, the woman should generally not abort because it’s HER FAULT that the fetus is dependent on her.

        • Les1lesley

          Wuh?
          Yeah, of course. Because women never get pregnant from rape. And men never sabotage condoms to trap women. And birth control is always 100% effective. And doctors everywhere are oh so cooperative with young women who want to be permanently sterilized because they don’t ever want children (ps- they’re not. Most doctors won’t do ligations/hysterectomies until a woman has had at least two children and is over 30, and some doctors still require her husbands permission).
          Pregnancy is not a woman’s “fault”, it is a biological conclusion of sperm meeting egg. And if I recall my sex education correctly, women don’t make sperm on their own. A woman couldnt get pregnant without sperm. So, it’s the mans fault for putting his penis in her. Lets tell all those slutty men to keep it in their pants, shall we. Otherwise they should be made completely responsible for the pregnancy, after all, it’s his “fault”. Serves that trampy man right. It’s only natural he should suffer the consequences of spreading someone’s legs.

          • JenniferGS

            Well, obviously, rape is an exception. As for birth control, the woman ( and the man for that matter) is taking an assumed risk. It’s a known fact contraceptive isn’t 100% effective. Yes, the man is at fault too when a woman becomes pregnant, but he isn’t the one who can get an abortion. When the man and the woman have sex, they’re taking an assumed risk.

          • Patricia Brenner

            Please cite your source for ‘ps- they’re not. Most doctors won’t do ligations/hysterectomies until a woman has had at least two children and is over 30, and some doctors still require her husbands permission’ If this is true, why aren’t you actively protesting those doctors and calling them out …

          • Ella Warnock

            I had to search a long time and eventually go out of state to get a tubal. I had no kids but was consescendingly told by one GYN after another that I’d “change my mind.” Well, I didn’t, and that was 20 years ago. The medical community is STILL treating women as if they don’t know their own minds.

          • fiona64

            My source is *primary.* I had to doctor-shop on my insurance at the age of 29, after repeatedly being told that I would not be permitted the surgery until I was over age 30 and/or had two children. I finally found a doctor who would perform the surgery, and he had to explain himself to a peer review board. He also had to explain himself to the board when he performed the surgery on a 19-year-old who had four kids, by his own admission. I then had to have my husband sign a form acknowledging his awareness of and approval for me to obtain the surgery. After *that,* I had to wait 30 days from the time I signed off on the informed consent documentation, in case I “changed my mind.” This was 20 years ago, and it has gotten more difficult for women to obtain a tubal ligation since then.

            BTW, I worked in hospitals for seven years and I now know why the physicians are so reluctant and put these policies in place: they have been sued repeatedly by women who, apparently, did not realize that the term “permanent” (as cited in the informed consent) actually meant *permanent.* They changed their minds, their reversal surgeries were not successful … and they sued. Frankly, it’s a matter of liability insurance issues.

        • Kelly S

          biology is responsible for that fact, given that a woman (nor the man who provided the necessary sperm) has no real control over how and when she gets pregnant.

          • JenniferGS

            The woman and the man CHOOSE to have sex. By doing that, they’re taking an assumed risk that the woman will get pregnant.

          • Jennifer Starr

            So how do you feel about abortion in cases of rape and incest where someone didn’t CHOOSE?

          • fiona64

            Maybe she would advocate penile amputation in those cases … you know, as “restorative justice.”

          • fiona64

            I know, right? She got pregnant in a big ol’ magic vacuum …

        • Sally Strange

          So, if you drive irresponsibly and cause a car accident, the result of which is that I’m severely injured and need, say, a kidney transplant, you should be obligated (legally? or just morally?) to donate your kidney to me.

          Do you agree? If not, why? Because that is consistent with your stated position.

          • JenniferGS

            Yes, I agree.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Sorry, but you’re an idiot. I don’t say that very often, but your idiocy is of a kind that is rarely seen, even among the most rabid of anti-choicers.

          • JenniferGS

            I’m no idiot. When I was in second grade, my reading comprehension was at an 8th grade level, and I took honors classes in high school. As for my son causing kidney, sure, I ‘d be OK with him being restrained, forcibly anesthetized, and having his body cut open against his will in the interests of restorative justice.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Okay, right now I’m really hoping you don’t have any children as your belief system sounds borderline abusive. And I took honors classes too, and unlike yourself, I actually read and understood the Constitution.

          • JenniferGS

            I understand the Constitution perfectly well. Forced organ donation may be unusual, but it’s not cruel.

            As for dying from complications, I suppose that would have to be weighed against the rights of the victim. I don’t know what the odds are for a typical organ transplant. I suppose that would depend on the organ involved. Whether the surgery should be done would ultimately depend on how much the victim needed the organ. If he/she needed the organ in order to survive and if there were no other way to save him/her, then DEFINITELY have the surgery. Otherwise, it might be best to defer to the surgeon’s judgment.

            If my own son died in such a surgery, of course, I’d be grief stricken, but then again if such a surgery saved his life because the other guy was at fault, I’d be overjoyed.

            I currently don’t have any children, but hubby and I are certainly thinking about it. But not to worry. You can be sure I’ll be loving and not abusive.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Thank you for reminding me why I’m no longer on the so-called ‘pro-life’ side, and why it has nothing at all to do with ‘life’. The sheer level of callousness you’ve displayed here, with your words has helped to cement my views. So once again, I thank you.

          • JenniferGS

            Callousness? Nothing to do with life? Why, my views are informed by my compassion and moral compass. I don’t want some innocent person to die because of the decisions of someone else. That’s why I favor compensating victims and protecting the unborn.

            I believe in standing up for the “little guy.” That’s why I also favor pro-labor laws, consumer protection, and welfare.

            Unless I’m mistaken, you’d be OK with a woman having her fetus killed and dismembered for any reason regardless of how sentient he/she was. How is that not callous?

          • Jennifer Starr

            I favor compensating victims monetarily–you favor involuntary surgery and the forcible removal or organs–I’m guessing that the Saw movies are probably your cup of tea as well, because that’s pretty much what you’re advocating. So you can pretty much stuff your moral compass, because it’s way off.

          • JenniferGS

            I haven’t even seen the Saw movies. They don’t look that appealing to me. In fact, I generally don’t like horror movies.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I mean, do you realize that the kind of justice you’re talking about is most commonly practiced in totalitarian theocracies? An eye for a eye, cut off your hands for stealing, etc. Is that really the kind of government you want? I mean, really? I’m just wondering, because I don’t think you’ve thought this out.

          • JenniferGS

            Of course, I don’t want a theocracy or a totalitarian government.

            “An eye for an eye” refers to simply gouging out the eye of the person of the person who gouged out yours. There’s nothing restorative about it. In the days before organ transplants, I would advocate fining the offender and giving him/her jail time. However, I think nowadays the victim should have the option of having the offender’s eye removed and implanted into the former’s empty eye socket… if that would restore the former’s eye sight in that place. I don’t keep up on developments in surgery, so I don’t know if we’re advanced enough to do that yet.

            I oppose cutting people’s hands off for stealing. Thieves should be fined if the goods aren’t returned so that some replacement could be bought, and they also should spend time in jail depending the value of what was stolen.

            I have thought about this a great deal. The only problems I see are the offender and the victim not being a match and the offender possibly dying during the surgery. Obviously, in the former case, no surgery would be done. As for the latter case, I don’t know enough about surgery to have come up with a satisfactory solution, but if this were to become law, I think consulting with surgeons would produce a reasonable procedure for determining whether to go ahead with the surgery.

          • Jennifer Starr

            Yeah that’s something you really haven’t thought of, because in the vast majority of cases they would not be a match at all. And again, you’re turning my stomach. I’m actually going to have to stop talking to you because your views literally make me see red and I don’t want to say something I might really regret.

          • JenniferGS

            Eh? Of course, I thought of possibility of them not being a match. I mentioned it in my post after all!

          • Jennifer Starr

            Let me put this as plainly as I can. Your views are reprehensible. You are a reprehensible individual. I don’t agree with you and I don’t like you and nothing you do or say is going to make me change my mind. We are not having these discussions anymore. Are we clear?

          • fiona64

            Yeah, you *really* don’t know how organ transplants work …

            Or much about the Constitution.

          • Jennifer Starr

            And yes it is cruel and unusual. Real restorative justice would involve paying for the hospital bills and repairs to the car, even paying for pain and suffering. Not the forced giving up of a body part. To think that is reasonable in any way is just sheer lunacy. I know because criminal justice was actually my major in college, and I know that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • Jennifer Starr

            In fact, when people try to tell me that so-called ‘pro-lifers’ are ‘the good guys’ I’m just going to point to your post as evidence to the contrary. I am so happy I’m no longer on your side of the fence.

          • fiona64

            Wow. Words fail me.

          • fiona64

            Aside from the fact that your position does indeed constitute cruel and unusual punishment, you don’t appear to understand much about the intricacies of organ donation. Or do you presume that (in the car accident example above), any old kidney will work? That there is no need for type and tissue matching? Or should the driver of the car just lose a kidney to satisfy your “eye for an eye” Old Testament sensibilities?

        • Dez

          Whether a person is at fault, organ donation is not mandatory. The person still has bodily autonomy.

          • JenniferGS

            Restorative justice trumps bodily autonomy.

          • Jennifer Starr

            I sincerely hope you’re never is a position of governmental or legal authority. The dystopian world you would create, mandating something as draconian as involuntary surgery and forced organ donations would put the most gory horror movies to shame.

          • JenniferGS

            Well, I beg to differ about the cruel part. What’s cruel is NOT having the forced organ donation done.

          • Jennifer Starr

            You are just a nightmare of a human being.

          • JenniferGS

            People who know me would laugh if they heard that. I’ve been described as “kind-hearted,” “a pleasure to know,” and “a genuinely decent person” for example.

          • Jennifer Starr

            No. Sorry. Decent and kind-hearted people don’t support forced surgeries as a method of ‘restorative justice’. They just don’t. Even most pro-liars won’t go as far has you have, and with good reason. Your views have literally turned my stomach, and believe me, it has not been a pleasure. Don’t want to be harsh–but just–just no.

          • cjvg

            That is exactly how Ted Bundy was described

          • JenniferGS

            Well, I don’t have anti-social personality disorder.

          • cjvg

            That is a self proclaimed diagnosis, easy to make hard to justify

          • Kevin

            You are a fascist. It’s that simple. Zieg Heil!

          • JenniferGS

            Wrong! I’m a Democrat. I voted for Barack Obama in the last election as a matter of fact. I considered him the lesser of the two evils. Sure, I don’t agree with him on abortion, but you have to look at the whole picture. Overall, I’d much rather have him be president than Romney. Besides, I don’t agree with Romney on abortion either.

            I’m OK with abortion being done for any reason before the fetus can think and is therefore capable of suffering (whenever that is). After that point, I’m only OK with it in exceptional circumstances. These proposed laws giving embryos legal personhood are stupid.

            In fact, you’d probably be surprised how much we’d see eye-to-eye on political issues if we compared notes. I take a liberal stance on just about everything. I find myself in the middle when it comes to abortion, but that’s about it.

          • cjvg

            That occurs at 26-29 weeks gestation, this is the point were the part of the brain (cortex) that houses awareness and sentience is completely formed and becomes functional.

            Coincidentally it is way after any legal abortions (the latest abortion can be legally obtained is 20 and in some cases 24 weeks gestation because of severe health complications of either the mother or the fetus)) can be obtained!

            So, you see no problem at all you are functional pro-choice if you just would have bothered to check out the medical knowledge available!

          • JenniferGS

            Could you provide a source for that claim? As I understand it, the fetus becomes viable at 24 weeks. I find it very hard to believe viability occurs before sentience. I’ve read conflicting information on when sentience occurs, so I’d really like to know once and for all.

          • fiona64

            Chance of survival at 24 weeks’ gestation is 10-35 percent. That is not very high at all; it means 65-90 percent of infants born at that point die.

          • cjvg

            When people, including physicians, generally talk about “brain waves” and “brain activity” they are referring to organized activity in the cortex.
            A more scientific exactitude of “electrical clinical significant brain activity” would be better to avoid confusion.
            No embryo or fetus has ever been found to have “brain waves,” before 26-30 weeks gestation, although extensive EEG studies have been done on premature babies.
            “Functional maturity of the cerebral cortex is suggested by fetal and neonatal electroencephalographic patterns, bilaterally synchronous electroencephalograpic are seen at 26 to 29 weeks gestation.
            Studies used are;
            Hamlin,H. (1964), “Life or Death by EEG,”Journal of the American Medical Association, October 12,113
            J. Goldenring, “Development of the Fetal
            Brain,” New England Jour. of Med., Aug. 26, 1982, p. 564
            K.J.S. Anand, a leading researcher on pain in newborns, and P.R. Hickey,
            published in NEJM

          • Jayne Ricco

            lol you are a fucking moron.

          • JenniferGS

            LOL! Use some fucking punctuation.

        • bigovernmentsocialconservative

          “Normally, I’m against forced organ donation, but if you damage someone else’s organ, you should be compelled to replace it”

          Your example is NOT normal.

          You and I are walking along the road. I RESPECT your right to life, liberty and pursuit of personal happiness, and I presume you do likewise to my rights.

          At this point, you take out a weapon and stick it in my eye, causing me to lose the functionality of that organ.
          The KEY assumption here: both of us had the OPTION to walk away, without abrogating the other’s rights….that option existed.

          That option does NOT exist for the pregnant woman.

          She is indisputably owner of her body.

          She does NOT have the “option” to “walk away” from the fetus because it will continue to remain attached to her.

          Your example is therefore flawed, and deliberately so, I dare say.

          She has the MORAL RIGHT to DEMAND it leaves, AT-WILL.

          If the fetus fails to leave on-demand, NECESSARY force is JUSTIFIED to evict the fetus.

          • JenniferGS

            The woman had the OPTION not to have sex.

          • cjvg

            So she should be punished because she choose to have sex?

          • JenniferGS

            It’s like laws that require parents to look after their children. The idea isn’t to punish someone for becoming a parent. The idea is to make sure the child is looked after.

          • cjvg

            She does not have children and is taking active steps to keep it that way!
            A fertilized egg is not a child, do you call your omelets fried chicken too?

          • fiona64

            Yep, that’s what I thought: “if she didn’t want a baby, she should have kept her legs together.”

        • Jayne Ricco

          I didn’t know spontaneous pregnancy without sperm from a man was a thing!!! Wow!!! SCIENZ U GUYZ

          • JenniferGS

            I didn’t know men could get abortions!!! Wow!!! SCIENZ U GUYZ!!!

        • cjvg

          So men have absolutely no responsibility and could never be required to use birth control as well?

          Furthermore each and every failure of birth control should always be punishable by mandatory forced pregnancy and forced birth?!
          Because we all know that the woman was a filthy slut who had sex after all, and that should always be punished.

          As for your argument that people on the transplant list are not dependent on me and my willingness to donate an organ, go ask that of the 18 people a day dying because they did not receive a suitable organ in time.
          And there is also the fact that a parent of a BORN CHILD can not be mandated by law to donate his or her organs to save that BORN CHILD.
          Why are there no laws in place regulating that you think?!
          And don’t start with that each parent will always do whatever they can to save their child’s life!
          Take a look at child services, many times it was the parent who killed or irreparably damaged the child to begin with!

          • JenniferGS

            Responsible men use birth control.

            As for birth control failing, this isn’t about punishment. It’s about justice. The woman (and, yes, the man too before you start hurling wild accusations at me) is responsible for doing an action that could conceivable result in the fetus becoming dependent on her. The fetus had no say in being created. Therefore, killing him/her isn’t fair to him/her.

            As for sluttiness, I’m definitely OK with aborting embryos. Do you really think I’d be OK with that if this were about punishing women for sex? Do you really think I’d even be OK with contraception? Besides, I have plenty of sex with my husband. I don’t have some irrational fear or hatred of sex.

            As for the people on the list you mentioned, you (presumably) aren’t responsible for them needing an organ. You didn’t damage any of their organs. Ditto to your question about why there are no laws in place mandating a parent donate his/her organ to save his/her child’s life. I realize the law doesn’t make an exception for parents who damaged the child’s organ, but I think the law should be amended.

          • cjvg

            That is a faulty argument, you claim that a woman who has sex is responsible for that fetus being created so must be forced to donate the use of her body and her womb to that fetus.
            However, parents are also responsible for that child being created and alive without them the child would not be there so why should they not be mandated to donate organs to keep that child alive?

        • colleen2

          The notion that anyone on the the religious right determines what is and is not personally responsible is absurd. A less personally responsible political movement has never existed.

        • fiona64

          Is the shorter version of this “if she didn’t want a baby, she should have kept her legs together”?

      • bigovernmentsocialconservative

        “A woman could simply deliver at that point and under the safe haven laws, leave the newborn at the hospital.”

        Precisely. That is the point at which the assertion can be made that the burden of safe removal of the (viable) fetus from the body of the pregnant woman is JUSTIFIED, and dismembered eviction can no longer be justified/defended.

    • Spew

      It may be that nerve endings can fire at 20 weeks, but the part of the brain that would receive and process their input will not develop until about week 26.

      • Rebekah Ham

        Totally untrue and you can not convince me otherwise. I work full time as a nurse in a neonatal intensive care unit with these little preemies! They definitely experience pain. We treat them with fentanyl and versed and morphine just as you would an older patient. Unless you also work with this gestational age, then you have no room to say they can not experience pain.

        • fiona64

          No, sorry; you’re wrong about fetal pain. The myelin sheath is not fully developed (which it must be in order for pain to be experenced) until approximately 26 weeks’ gestation) as previously cited … and, again, anesthesia is systemic in any event.

          Premature infants are born entities, in various stages of development. At 20 weeks’ gestation, they have zero chance of survival ex utero.

    • Karen Menke

      This “fetal pain” myth has been debunked. This is nothing more than another attempt to get invade women’s privacy. This is a medical issue, not a social one. Those who want smaller government should be particularly sensitive to women’s rights!

    • FLMary

      Yes they feel pain as the women carrying them does everyday until birth. Not your choice to decide if a fetus has more value than the mother. Her choice not yours, God’s the judge not you or your stupidity. Also, one of your low intelligent Tea Party politician thinks the fetus masturbate.. Perhaps if that is true that fetus is telling the Mother you should have told him to masturbate instead of leaving you holding the bag.

    • Jennifer Starr

      20 weeks is not viable. Even 24 weeks is touch and go, though there have been some who have survived. But twenty weeks? Never.

    • fiona64

      Again: chance of fetal survival at 20 weeks’ gestation: ZERO.

  • Rdzkz

    Thank you. Lots of good people in Texas. Need more! Remind everyone that a female reproductive life generates 13-17 pregnancies –some maybe twins?– and this is what you want Anita Perry, SarahPalin, etc for you and for your kids — you should be having more kids and the men helping take care of them.

  • MFinnegan

    The state as a whole may not be worth “Throwing away”, but let’s look at the reality : Texas citizens re-elected Rick Perry, and continue to elect the type of representatives who will always put their bible ahead of the rights of the people. It’s the bulk of the state who continue to allow this to happen. And until the minority who realize that science and common sense (Jodi Lautenberg, the Bill’s sponsor didn’t even know what a Rape Kit was) is in charge, we will have these under-educated theocrats telling us how their faith says we should run our lives.

    • Spew

      These people have maybe 15 years until the state becomes blue due to immigration. At that point, I don’t see a GOP presidency being a possibility.

      • jennyschecter

        Good.

    • CC

      Texas citizens also elected Ann Richards y’all.

      • Paul Julian Gould

        And gave the world Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and a long list of others…

      • texasaggie

        True, but that was a long time ago. They elected Barbara Jordan, too, but what have they elected since then of similar stature?

        • RachelK

          Lloyd Doggett is kicking ass in the federal congress, for one. And he’s not the only liberal Texan we’ve sent to D.C.
          And “they” are not who you think they are. “They” are a rigorously engineered system of districts specifically designed to prevent minorities and urban, progressive voters from voting in a bloc. The gerrymandering here has been aggressive, to say the least. And yet. . . the GOP lost the supermajority this year. They still have a majority, but even with straight out cheating, they are losing ground. Liberals here are a minority, but not a tiny one, and we are feisty as hell.

      • Harriet Logan

        Yeah. And like all Democratic Party hack politicians, she simply prepared the road for the Republicans to get back into office. What the Hell good are you Democrats anyway, when this is the result you always obtain with your buddy buddy relationships with the Repugs? Go ahead liberal DP voter addicts… Give it a try and answer the question. You can’t! Can you?

    • gravyrug

      Perry was re-elected just barely, both times. And the first time, he got less than half the vote because of Kinky Friedman as a third party candidate. The representatives are elected from gerrymandered districts. The senators, I have no explanation for, but I sure as hell voted against them.

  • pull_rank

    Keep fighting the good fight! South Dakotans feel your pain and totally have your back!

  • Nancie McDermott

    Thankful beyond words for your coverage, pix, presence, analysis, smarts and energetic determination to make this powerful state of things known and understood. Brilliantly and movingly done. The photo at top of this post thrills my heart.

  • John E

    Loved your tweets from the gallery. Was there last night and plan to return tonight. #jazzhands

  • Allen White

    We will never allow texass to leave the union either,
    because they hold most of our strategic oil reserves in their underground
    salt domes.

    • Jennifer Jonsson

      Um, half of those are in Louisiana.

  • Rebekah Ham

    I would like to shed some light on the 20 week abortion ban as I totally agree with it. I have been a NICU (neonatal intensive care unit) nurse now for 7 years and I have seen my fair share of 20-24 week babies. Many times, we care for babies as young as 23 weeks and these babies can live to have quality lives. They have fully developed fingers and toes; they cry and breath and feel pain (even more intensified because of their immature nervous systems). So I just cannot justify abortion especially at this stage. To say they are not human beings is just not true. So dear pro-choice ones, please face the truth although it may limit your abortion decisions or make you decisions harder. The truth is the truth. These precious lives are real and it can not be denied, they simply are weak and are at the mercy of their mother.

    • Andrea

      Ask your oncology nursing colleagues about limiting abortion decisions for pregnant women with cancer. Many of those pregnancies can be spared, but not all. The mothers’ lives are no less real and precious.

      • Rebekah Ham

        I do not at all disagree that the women’s lives are no less real and precious and that was never my point (and I never said that as implied in Dez’s comment). I believe that all human lives are precious. I am simply commenting on the truth about neonates and speaking of my personal experiences which guide my beliefs. I believe others need to be educated on what a late term abortion really means for the baby involved, especially when they are voting. It’s important. My heart goes out to the mothers who have to consider their own treatment versus their baby’s life. I am not the judge, but I would like to say I have been touched by beautiful stories of mothers who did choose to bravely risk their own well being for their unborn children. I really think there is no sense in arguing on this one. We are not disagreeing that mothers are not valuable. It is not always the case that late term abortions are medically necessary.

        • Dez

          You are not the one to decide for a woman to risk her life for a pregnancy. You put women’s lives in danger by supporting the ban. By advocating the ban you do put women’s lives below a fetuses life. That clearly shows you don’t value our lives because of your emotional opinion of a fetus. Yet your heart does not go out to the families of a woman who needs a late term abortion to live. It’s hard to believe your concern over women at all.

        • Jennifer Starr

          Sacrifice is not beautiful when it’s forced upon someone. People always are touched by someone else being a martyr.As long as it’s someone else and not them actually making the sacrifice. Redemptive suffering is not beautiful It is crap.

        • Amanda Kazarian

          I am not going to martyr myself for a fetus I don’t want. Nice try though.

        • cjvg

          Even if it is rarely the case that they are medically necessary (and I do agree with that , that is why only 2% of abortions are at that time) does that give you the right to declare a certain death sentence on those who actually need them?!

        • fiona64

          It is rarely the case that late term abortions are medically necessary.

          Liar. That is the *only* reason that late term abortions are permitted in this country.

    • Dez

      The truth is late term abortions are rare and medically necessary. I value the lives of women apparently more than you to not risk their lives because their pregnancies either will kill them or the fetus is dead or is not capable with life. Shame on you for treating women like incubators. Our lives are valuable as well.

    • bigovernmentsocialconservative

      “Many times, we care for babies as young as 23 weeks”

      You’re a liar.
      The people who PAID for your services are the ones who actually took care of those premature babies.

      I can bet you…not as much as Romney, but an even 100, that if 1000 pregnant women seeking an abortion had instead asked YOU to “deliver the premature baby” into NICU, you would not be “taking care of” even ONE of them.

      This is the true moral question as far as viable fetuses go. Do NOT try to pretend that provision of care is an obligation, because YOU YOURSELF wouldn’t do it UNLESS paid to.

    • cjvg

      You know who else can fully feel physical and mental pain and will remember that for the rest of their lives!, women and girls!

    • fiona64

      Chance of survival of fetus at 20 weeks’ gestation: zero percent
      Chance of survival at 21 weeks’ gestation: zero percent
      Chance of survival at 22 weeks’ gestation: zero to 10 percent
      Chance of survival at 23 weeks’ gestation: 10 to 35 percent
      Chance of survival at 24 weeks’ gestation: 40-70 percent
      Chance of survival at 25 weeks’ gestation: 50-80 percent

      You don’t get into the 90 percent range until past 30 weeks’ gestation (normal is 40). Infants that do survive when they are that premature are exrtaordinarily likely to be medically compromised.

      As a NICU nurse, I am sure you are aware that most fetal anomalies cannot even be detected until 20 weeks’ gestation or later. At that point, we are talking about wanted pregnancies gone wrong, not a woman looking for a “mulligan” on the whole thing. So, she is most likely going to seek second opinions while she decides how much risk she and her family are willing to assume. And that’s on top of the emotional turmoil.

      As a NICU nurse, I am sure you are aware that anesthesia is systemic. What that means is simple: if the woman is anesthetized, so is the fetus. The whole “pain” thing is moot.

      As a NICU nurse, I am sure that you do not want someone else making your medical decisions for you. so, dear NICu nurse, please face the truth that it’s none of your business to tell other women how much medical risk they should assume for themselves and their families.

  • Trudy Springer

    Those of us who say: ‘What do you expect it’s Texas?’ are not being smug or arrogant, that is so Texas to accuse those of us who have given up any hopes that Texas will ever be any different. Save your pleas for those that can change, Texas has not changed in over 100 years and yet you expect us to believe a miracle will happen? That is smug and arrogant.

    • Rachel

      I think saying we haven’t changed in the last 100 hundred years is a *slight* exaggeration, given some very prominent examples like LBJ. Texas was solidly dem less than 2 generations ago.

      • Trudy Springer

        The state was democratic when it was the ‘Dixie’ democrats, a racist lot that evolved into the Republican party when Nixon instituted his southern strategy. So I stick to my observation that Texas hasn’t changed in 100 years. although they have produced some fine progressives like Ann Richards and Jim Hightower.

        • Rachel

          Also Molly Ivins and Barbara Jordan and a lot of other really great stateswomen and political analysts…but people see us like they want to, I suppose. All of the cities are democrat – very progressive local governments. We’re having huge issues between rural and urban divide, but that actually shows we ARE changing…it’s just some serious growing pains. Not helped by people painting us with one big red stripe.

          • Trudy Springer

            It is a stripe well earned. Just because there are some really good progressives from Texas (you forgot Bill Moyers) that doesn’t show progress, it’s call an anomaly. For Christs sake your state just found a man who killed a woman who refused to have sex with him Not Guilty! Texas should leave the union and take the rest of the southern states with it, I am sick and tired of you all still fighting the civil war and trying to sneak “states rights” in through your representatives in DC.

          • Harriet Logan

            In the last 100 years Texas has gone from being primarily a rural state to being one of the most urbanized states in the country. Not that you want to be educated in the least, Trudy….. or can even understand what I just said means…

    • lazysmurf

      We were a blue state not that long ago!!!

      • Trudy Springer

        Again I will repeat, you were a Dixie democratic state, not blue at all, the Dixie dems were racists, misogynists, and religious zealots.

        • mjhoop

          And now they are members of the other party. The one that is racist, misogynistic and super religious. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
          I do feel sympathy for the Texas people who really are ‘blue.’ It’s tough being blue in NC, also. I’m kinda thinking that we might need to just have two countries. Maybe the USA and the CSA? Anyone want to buy a house in CSA country? Call me.

    • Harriet Logan

      Trudy, you are so ignorant about Texas that it just makes you look stupid and not liberal when you talk about the state.

      ‘Texas has not changed in over 100 years and yet you expect us to believe a miracle will happen?’

      Just because you are too out of it IGNORANT to know what those huge changes have been does not mean they haven’t happened. It mean that you are simply uninformed personally and should just shut up unless you study some.

      • Trudy Springer

        Just what I would expect from a Texan, calling me ignorant because you disagree with me. How about offering some proof that Texas has changed in the last 100 years. You can’t so you resort to school yard tactics and start name calling. I am sick to death of Texas and the rest of the racist states, you keep wanting to secede from the Union because you don’t want to play by the rules, PLEASE go we would be so much better off without Texas and we could use the tax dollars we sent there for much more deserving purposes.

        • Harriet Logan

          Baloney, Trudy.

          ‘How about offering some proof that Texas has changed in the last 100 years. You can’t so you resort to school yard tactics and start name calling.’

          For starters, it is not principally an agricultural state anymore, but has industrialized. It is also not still a regional backwater, but the main industrial and even cultural connecting point between Mexico and the US. So you see, Trudy, you have it rather wrong, don’t you? Of course, you are probably writing from some international center NOT, such as Pittsburg or Rochester New York and will persist with your antiquated own REGIONAL notions of both Texas and the rest of the Sun Belt areas.

          ‘PLEASE go we would be so much better off without Texas and we could use the tax dollars we sent there for much more deserving purposes.’

          How sad. A Rust Belt Democratic Party chained liberal’s version of the old America Love It or Leave It mantra of the Right Wingers!!!!

          • Trudy Springer

            You only proved that industry has changed in Texas, we are talking here about racism, misogynists, religious hypocirtes and corruption. Texas still discriminates, and is quickly moving to institute voter rules to disenfranchise Blacks, Hispanics, poor, and the elderly, just as they have always done. They are calling a speical session costing Texas millions it can’t afford to force the restrictive abortion bill through. I am not writing from Rochester New York or Pittsburgh, as you typical assume about people who disagree with you, I am writing from a small city in the Pacific Northwest. As for the love it or leave it NO I am not saying that at all, I am saying Texas and the rest of the confederate states have always claimed ‘the south shall rise again’ and constantly clamors to secede from the union, so I encourage Texas to do just that, the confederate states have been nothing but an anchor around the neck of this nation ever since the civil war, and I am an American who finally sees that Lincoln was wrong in trying to force these states to stay.

          • Harriet Logan

            I’m from Texas and lived in your part of the country 2 decades, Trudy.

            ‘I’m saying Texas and the rest of the confederate states have always claimed ‘the south shall rise again’ and constantly clamors to secede from the union’

            Nobody in Texas really ever says they want to secede from the union, other than a very few oddballs liiving swho knows where. Maybe you have Texas confused with Vermont? ,…lol…

            Texas is not just part of a big lump of ‘confederacy’ either. The way you talk about the state would be if I talked as if Bellingham and San Clemente were all one big sameness. ‘You damn Pacific Coasters are all dumbass and Hollywooded snotty geeks’… and so on. That’s what this commentary we supposedly are commenting on is all about. It warns against doing that sort of parochial minded thing.

            ‘An Open Letter to Anyone Ready to Write Off Texas: Don’t, Because it’s *Your* Future at Stake’

            Get it, Trudy? It’s not that easy to get rid of Texas. Texas is more the USA than Oregon or Washington are. So save the spittle…. Don’t spit on yourself.

          • Trudy Springer

            Harriet, you miss the point entirely. Texas is not what you wish it was so stop acting like it is. If Texas has changed so much why is Rick Perry still Governor? Why have the republicans gerrymandered districts to oust democrats and to ensure republicans retain power and no one seems to mind. Why is Texas so low on the list of educated people? Why is Texas so high on the list of number of prisoners executed? Why does Texas have one of the highest teen pregnancies in the country? Why is Texas among the states with highest infant mortality and the lowest number of medically insured residents? Why is Texas one of the most polluted states? Why is Texas implementing restrictive voter id laws? The list goes on and on that proves my point, there may be pockets of progressives and liberals, but they are far out numbered by the redneck, confederate flag waving extremists.

          • Harriet Logan

            Oregon and Washington also seem to have their fair number of Right Wing morans also, Trudy. And many of the so called liberals in those 2 states almost might as well be Republicans for all its worth. You wouldn’t be one of them, would yuh?

            You want to condemn Texas for being completely out of it, when in fact it is our country’s international bridge to Mexico, a very important nation. Much of Southern Texas is bilingual/ bicultural in fact. Oregon is a bridge to what? The marijuana fields of Northern California?

            Look, don;t get me wrong here. Texas is definitely a mess and I have escaped form it once again. But it is still not as you quite picture it to be (without you ever having spent any time there, it does so appear), Trudy.

          • Trudy Springer

            You sound as if the only bridge to America is through Texas, not so and yes there are a lot of hispanics in Texas, that is why they are so hell bent on implementing restrictive voter laws. If, and that is a big IF Texas ever turns blue or purple, it will be because of the hispanics, blacks and Asians. Oregon is a state renowned for its progressive vision having designed cities that are enviornmental leaders. Yes the Pacific Northwest has its rednecks, most have moved here from Texas, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana and other confederate states, we do our best to encourage them to leave and go back to whence they came as we don’t need morons coming here. I have spent time in Texas, very little thank goodness and I have family that lives there so I do have some personal experiance to draw from. Yes that family insisted on sending their daughters to Christian school becasue they didn’t want them to be exposed to the liberality and loose morals of the public schools, both girls became pregant in their early teens adding to the growing number of teen mothers. So much for those strong Texas Christian teachings. I would rather live anywhere but the south and especially Texas.

          • Harriet Logan

            From what you write, it seems that much of your emotional reaction to Texas actually is a transferred response to your alienation from your own family, which probably is much more their fault than your own. I understand your personal anger, since my own family is quite dysfunctional, too, and much of it has to do with the dysfunctional mindset they have being upper Middle Class, Dallas people most all their lives.

            Has it occurred to you though, that Texas is greatly a victim of its own bad geographical location and the bad weather there it endures? Whereas Oregon is a beneficiary of a much better geographical location and much better climate? Some people live in better spots than other peoples do. I don’t want to reduce everything down to climatic reductionism but it does play a major part in the formation of societies of people and how they might evolve their ways of seeing the world. So if Texans might seem half baked at times, its probably much because it’s just too damn hot there, Trudy.

          • Trudy Springer

            Some of what you say is true, but I have to think about the climatic influence on people as there are other hot spots, and as I tick them off in my head, it seems to prove your point. I will ponder your input regarding the family as I do think you just might have hit the nail on the head there. Sorry to hear about yours too. I appreciate your humor about Texans being half baked. I do support Wendy Davis and all the men and women standing with her, it is giving me hope that you may be right and I just may be wrong. I certainly hope so.

  • Corey

    Red states, conservative states that teach abstinence only sex education, from what I understand, have more unplanned pregnancies, STD infections, divorces, and people on welfare or some other governmental assistance program. I also understand that these states also pay less on taxes yet get more from the government than blues that pay more taxes. Seems to me red states like to cut everything from family planning, after school programs for kids so a one pater family can actually work an 8 hour day, to disaster relief and expert he government to flip bill. Which means blue states give help to red states, which makes red states more socialist while talking so much about hating socialism. I personally would like to build a wall around all states that want to sucede and cut off all government help, we will see just how self-made and independent they really are. What will happens is these states will start looking like the good old days they desire, the Wild West also The Lord of the Flies. I support crushing red states the way the US does with sanctions on other countries, this would help balance the budget, allow more equality among Americans and without their use of illegal aliens, they will surely end up again, like the good old days when puritans lynched Quakers. Let them destroy themselves!!!

    • Kat

      Oh hush up, dummy.

    • gravyrug

      Why don’t you, instead of insulting, come down here and help?

      • Harriet Logan

        You illustrate one of the big problems here. All these so called radicals from the Northern states actually FEAR ever living and dealing with the real people in Southern states. They simply cannot handle any real dissonance without it destroying their Yankee provincial mindsets. All they want to ever do is ALWAYS vote Democratic Party over and over again, thereby ALWAYS delivering the country back to the Republicans on the old see saw…. ALWAYS.

  • RachelK

    Thank you. We are not throw away people. The progressives among us are not the tiny minority people think we are. We’re not a majority, but we’re a lot of people whose ability to vote as a bloc has been compromised by aggressive redistricting. As someone here in Texas, fighting the fight, surrounded by other right minded people, it is so disheartening when people who are supposed to be on my side express willingness to just cut us all loose. People who deride us instead of supporting us really bother me, and I appreciated this article so much. Thank you.

  • Curtis Maes

    Women who live in Anti-choice states are American’s first and foremost. All American’s deserve rights and dignity. Not only is it wrong to say to women in places like Texas that they should just leave if they want rights, it is wrong to restrict all other American women to limited geographical areas like New York and Washington state if they want full rights. All women should have the same basic rights as the average Texan male.

  • bluewidow

    the ignorant ones who know nothing about medicine should be forced to watch real delivery room deaths and gore as well as drawn representations of what dangers are posed by what conditions. they will murder lots of women.explore trying to save a woman and child in say… ectopic pregnancy, or towering hyrdocephalic cases.

  • Katie Roberts

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!! On behalf of proud Texas feminists, be they male or female… even proud Texas people who have the ability to make rational decisions, and there are plenty of us!

  • Jennifer Jonsson

    I am a Texan and I can’t have children and this debate is no less critical to me. I have sisters and cousins and friends in this state, and some of them have daughters, and this is for all of them. I don’t for the life of me understand why anti-choicers think women will stop having abortions if they’re illegal. They’ll just stop having safe ones, and women and babies will die. I’ve been protesting this bullshit since 1987 and I’m tired of it. I’m tired and I’m disgusted and I’m angry and I can’t believe after 25 years we’re still fighting this battle and baby, I’m not about to quit now. To our legislators: If you’re not going to lead, get out of the damn way–because we are a tsunami, and we will roll over you.

  • Jason

    Fight the good fight Andrea Grimes. Thank you for reporting. Supporting you all from Philadelphia.

  • bickle2

    I don’t want to throw away areas, I want to punish it. Texas has been the source of a huge a,out of this country’s misery for decades now, and I’m sick and tired of the abuse and crime that Texas perpetuates

    A full federal takeover, a full ban on conservatives and theists voting and holding public office, diction lessons, and a plan to half redneckery should go into full force. All mega churches shut down, their entire staffs arrested and congregations medicated. Corporations grout under strict control, and everything else in the deepest darkest fear centers of conservatives.

    I’m done giving them any quarter. If you’re a sane person in Texas, I’m sorry, but either leave, or accept that your willful association with that heat soaked den of insanity means that you are part of the problem,and deserve what you get.

    And the s,ae goes for each and every redneck state. Liberal atheists who do not live in the land of heehaw are smarter than you, we’re better than you, and its time for your hostage taking of the country to end. When your neighbor flying then confederate battle flag is being arrested for treason, ask your kid taking real history and science courses why flying that flag is a problem.

    • Harriet Logan

      Yawn. What a bore you are, Bickle. It always amazes me how provincial some sad sack liberal types really actually are. And lest you respond, I am to the Left of where you are coming from…

      • bickle2

        Good, then you;re willing to join me, and continue to encourage others to actually fight instead of whining and weasling

        • Harriet Logan

          Bickle, just what do you think that you’re doing yourself ‘to fight back’, so to speak? The Left has practically evaporated from everywhere in the US. It just is mainly MIA.

          I’m willing to join the barricades but they are hard to find, are they not? Seems like it has been happening ONCE AGAIN some in Austin though!

          • bickle2

            I’m sure that if you look hard enough, you’ll find a conservative within a mile of you. Have to start somewhere

          • Harriet Logan

            You asked that I join with you, and I asked you what exactly were you doing? YOu haven’t answered me at all yet.

  • WhatTheFlux

    Secede.

  • Katydid

    The women and men who fight for social justice and reproductive rights in red states have more and harder work to do than people (like me) who live in blue states on the coasts, and they have to do it with fewer like-minded people, less support, less funding, and more determined and sizeable opposition. They also don’t get near as much credit as they deserve for all of that. What happened yesterday in Texas was incredible and inspiring, and it most likely delays the time that I will have to deal with this kind of bill getting voted on in my state (since there’s no way anti-choicers are going to settle for just fighting this one out in the southeast and the midwest). So yeah — thanks to you and to everyone else fighting the good fight in the places where it’s the hardest to do.

  • Bikeridinman

    Lots of Texans trying to vote Perry out of office for years.

  • rebellious grrl

    Andrea – Great article. Excellent point
    that if it can happen in one state it can happen in another state. No one
    should get comfortable in the fact that it can’t happen in their state.

    Great point “To those people, I say
    this: I see your smugness. It is a sign of passivity and privilege. And it is
    dangerous.” Yes, fight where you are!

    Keep on fighting and keep up the great
    work!

  • JenniferGS

    That’s like saying the moment of interest is after the organ is damaged. Unless you provide a time machine, the guy does not have the option to undo the damage.