• jruwaldt

    Actually, Franks is from Arizona. Good article otherwise.

  • Arachne646

    Media don’t often do good science reporting–it’s not necessarily a conspiracy, it’s more likely incompetence.

  • Ella Warnock

    “After 20 weeks, the unborn child reacts to stimuli that would be
    recognized as painful if applied to an adult human, for example, by
    recoiling. … In the unborn child, application of such painful stimuli is
    associated with significant increases in stress hormones known as the
    stress response.”

    So what they’re saying here is that the fetus reacts to stimuli. We can’t be certain, observation notwithstanding, that what they feel is pain. I don’t think anyone has ever been able to remember being a fetus, so despite dressing this up as “science,” there’s simply no reason to believe that there is any pain. Born humans experience fully functional autonomic nervous systems (involuntary reaction to stimuli). Most people would also say that they don’t remember birth, either, a much more traumatic experience. The autonomic system in a fetus is not going to be as fully functional as an adult’s. The reaction to stimuli only proves that the fetus is involuntarily reacting, nothing more.

  • Just me

    At some point you have to say what is the difference in killing the child after it is born? I understand there are horrible, unfortunate reasons why abortions have to happen, sometimes it is an unnacceptable risk for the health or age of the mother, or rape or incest, and I can accept that, but honestly, what kind of idiot is pregnant for more than 3 months without knowing it?? People that stupid should not breed in the 1st place. Many people are willing to tolerate the morning after pill, or anything that takes place while the child is a zygote but when you keep pushing for later and later term abortions you are gonna get pushback, and rightfully so. There are people out there that are using this as their preferred method of birth control, they can’t be bothered with any of the 50 methods out there to prevent pregnancies.( maybe it is a blessing those people aren’t mothers) I was against ultrasounds being performed prior to abortions, but you know..honestly, if you have to see the ultrasound of your *baby* you really cant pretend your not doing what you are doing, right? You can’t rationalize that you rid yourself of parasitic cells when they happen to have fingers and toes and can suck their future thumb….At least that might have enough effect on you if there is any conscience in you, to not have it happen again, because after all, what you made was a mistake, but its a mistake that you are expecting another being to pay for with its life. That’s something you are going to have to live with on your heart for a long time, and because something doesn’t bother you now, doesn’t mean that it wont later when you are older, or get better sense. There are videos out there that show fetal pain, myself I will err on the side of caution..I had polyps burned off my cervix and was assured I would not feel a thing, that there are no nerve endings for pain there.. and felt every bit of it, so at this point there is a lot of things that doctors don’t know.

    • pitbullgirl1965

      There are people out there that are using this as their preferred method of birth control, they can’t be bothered with any of the 50 methods out there to prevent pregnancies.( maybe it is a blessing those people aren’t mothers)

      Abortion IS birth control. Why don’t you mind your own business? You’re so eager to force women to give birth against their will to punish them aren’t you?
      Do you see the pro choice side passing laws to force women to have abortions?

    • TheDingus

      “At some point you have to say what is the difference in killing the child after it is born?”

      The difference is as clear as crystal to people who aren’t willfully blind and stupid:

      After a child is born it is no longer INSIDE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

      Please tell me you really aren’t THAT stupid and blind.

    • JSB3

      People would not be forced to get late term abortions if there were not so many stupid restrictions and stigma against abortion in the first place. Often finances push women to wait, or having to travel out of state because the lack of facilites for them to go to. Most people who don’t want to be pregnant would more than likely seek earlier abortions if there were not so many hoops to jump through. Earlier abortions are safer for the woman seeking them. The later the abortion the more likely the complications. To use late term abortion as sole form of birth control is nuts. Late term abortions should be mainly used when something is wrong with the fetus or health of the woman! Women should not have to jump through these ridiculous legislative hoops of fire, just to get one! These are medical choices and women should have every right at any stage to make those choices with her doctor in private!

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