• Dez

    This truly shows how women’s lives are disposable to the “pro-life” side. They know the woman will die and just don’t care even though the fetus will die with her. The son she does have will be left motherless. How “pro-life.”

    • HeilMary1

      Pedophile priests can’t wait to put their hands on her son, and motherless kids are their favorite targets. Any priests who offer “help” to her husband and son should be arrested for causing her death.

      • goatini

        Jimmy Breslin’s excellent book, “The Church That Forgot Christ”, goes into great detail about how predator priests deliberately seek out children from troubled backgrounds, with a parent missing or dead, to groom for abuse. The surviving parent can be counted on to be grateful that “Father” takes such a “personal interest” in the victim.

        • HeilMary1

          Thanks! I’ve seen that pattern over and over again. The discovered diary of a pedophile priest in Latin America gave exactly that advice. And a fringe benefit of the NFP scam guarantees outsourcing fed-up husbands to other women, hence broken families. It amazes me that NFP gets pushed as “divorce prevention”. My dad was urged by a playboy priest to go to hookers, and he found a hot one in my sister’s high school class. She got busted at the nearby motel where my dad always took his “Sunday walks”!

  • HeilMary1

    If Beatriz dies, Salvadorans should make citizen arrests of all forced birthers who caused her death.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001214150309 Davonne Shymkus

    You would think in this day and age stupidity wouldn’t run so rampant.

  • http://twitter.com/raptor_math Sarah

    I’m so disgusted right now.

  • Dan Kennedy

    According to a report published by El Salvador’s Institute of Legal Medicine (ILM) and submitted to the Supreme Court, “At this time, [Beatriz] is clinically stable, which means that right now there is no imminent risk of danger of death.”

    The ILM, which falls under the judicial branch of the government, recommends that Beatriz’s doctors “maintain the conservative medical treatment, that is, to continue with the pregnancy.” And contrary to statements by El Salvador’s Ministry of Health and the National Bioethics Commission that Beatriz’s life is in imminent danger from renal failure, necessitating an abortion, the ILM report states “there is no clinical evidence of a renal insufficiency” putting the life of the patient in danger.

    • HeilMary1

      Catholic fetal idolaters lie all the time about reproductive health issues. Google disgusting symphysiotomies in Ireland for starters.

      • Dan Kennedy

        I think you suffer from low information syndrom. “Fetal idolaters”? Seriously? Sorry to inform you that I don’t worship human beings, either the unborn child or the mother. Nonetheless, just as the mother is someone, the child in the womb is not some “thing” but someone.

        • Lynnsey

          You’re someone. Do you have the right to use my body to sustain your life? At risk to my own? Even if you don’t have a brain?

          • Dan Kennedy

            The “right”? Are “rights” only for the “chosen”? For the mother, the medical question has been answered that an abortion will not improve her health and may cause further complications. Her situation, as in many instances, has been mischaracterized and sadly exploited by those pushing the abortion agenda. Women deserve better.

          • Lynnsey

            So, both the ILM and you know more than the doctors who are actually and actively involved in her care? I don’t think it’s those “pushing the abortion agenda” who are mischaracterizing the situation.

            Women DO deserve better. They deserve to make their own decisions about their own bodies.

          • Dan Kennedy

            Human beings shouldn’t be discriminated against because of their temporary place of residence.

          • HeilMary1

            So all fetuses have the right to maim and murder their captive hosts just like killer tumors? And why aren’t you also calling for the arrests of all “sibling killer” MEN who have “fetus in fetu” absorbed-in-uterus “twin” TUMORS removed?

          • canaduck

            I don’t actually know why we’re bothering to engage with you on this. You cannot possibly understand what pregnancy is like, nor the threat of pregnancy, and what’s worse is that you don’t seem to care. It’s so easy for a man to be anti-choice, especially after a lifetime of learning that women are humans, too–but just not quite as human as men.

          • Leap29d

            This is not discrimination. This is collusion in issuing Beatriz a death sentence.

            This is judging the life of a pregnant woman as having less value than a severely brain-damaged fetus, which in all likelihood will die soon after delivery.

            Beatriz is the only individual who can make the decision to carry the pregnancy to term or to abort.

          • Ella Warnock

            I don’t think women should be discriminated against because of a temporary health condition. Obviously, she should be the one to decide just how temporary it’s going to be.

          • Arekushieru

            Wrong, you are discriminating against women, saying that they are the only ones who don’t have the full right to bodily autonomy. If there is no such right, then rape is legal. WHOOPS?

          • HeilMary1

            Women deserve not to have their lady parts shredded by fetuses and their already born kids not molested by priests or exploited for slave labor by global corporate billionaires who fund pompous mother killers like you.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            Yeah,a woman deserves not to die or be permanently disabled so she can raise the one child that she actually does have.

          • goatini

            “Women deserve better”

            Translation: Livestock that cannot successfully reproduce should be culled from the herd. If your cow dies, get another cow.

            This poor woman has been sadly exploited by those pushing the forced-birth agenda, the gestational slavery agenda, the undisguised misogyny agenda, the Roman Catholic “women are not fully whole, not fully human” agenda, and to HM’s earlier point, the fetal idolator agenda.

            PS, I’m a Catholic with 60 years tenure, so spare me the dogma/canon BS barrage. I learned early on that the Church saw females only as chattel property livestock.

          • Leap29d

            Dan, your opinion will matter when you have a uterus.

            Until then, you have absolutely no authority or right to interfere with a woman’s personal authority or physical sovereignty.

            This
            is a fetus, not an ‘unborn child’. As it has simple vestiges of a
            brain, it is not entitled to life in this situation unless Beatriz
            decides to carry the pregnancy to term.

            Lastly, what medical expertise do you have that merits anyone considering your opinion to have a basis in fact?

          • ellid

            This woman certainly deserves better than a death sentence, or idiotic ravings by a cruel, heartless man who regards her as nothing more than an incubator. Shame on you.

          • Ella Warnock

            I don’t have an “abortion agenda.” I have a “do what’s best for my health agenda.” Strangely enough, I’ve never thought it was necessary to consult with Dan Kennedy about any of my private health care decisions. And I’ll just bet Dan Kennedy also has a “do what’s best for my health agenda,” too. Only he likely doesn’t think that random women with whom is is not even remotely acquainted should weigh in on any of those decisions.

          • oskrNZ

            I have to ask you– where do you get your “facts” from? why do you say that an abortion will complicate her health? Have you followed the story closely? I live in El Salvador and I know how things are, and I don´t really get where you get your information from. But well, let´s asume that what you said is true and her life is not at risk– what will happen with other women who may suffer complications while pregnant? Don´t you get that anti-abortion laws lead to more maternal death?

          • Arekushieru

            Um, do you not read very well? YOU are the ones saying that a fetus is ‘chosen’, ‘chosen’, that is, to have the right to life at the expense of someone else’ health, wishes and life, a right that NO ONE ELSE HAS. *Therefore*, the only thing you could POSSIBLY be is a fetal idolater. After all, in the Catholic world, only the DIVINE get MORE rights than anyone else. I think YOU suffer from low information system.

        • canaduck

          It’s a someone-in-progress. Beatriz IS a someone. She has feelings, thoughts, desires, friends, family, a history, and a life. To put all of that at such a risk to protect a fetus that has none of these things is cruel and misogynistic. How you could look at a woman who is begging not to die and tell her that a non-sentient fetus is as valuable as she is?

          • Dan Kennedy

            Aristotle 2400 years ago understood the principle that to obtain a true definition of something, you must discover what its powers are and what it is meant to be. Passing judgement based on appearance is not only irrational, but it has brought about the horrors of genocide, slavery, and ethnic cleansing.

            At conception we are self-possessed human persons. We possess our own future. It belongs to us uniquely and no one else. Despite our size, present within us at conception is the complete design of what we are meant to be and a self-directing power that brings that development about. This power and the information necessary to direct it must be present at conception in order for development to occur. The genetics are irrefutable.

            Personhood does not depend on whether one is currently manifesting all one’s powers or not. It is not a temporary state that comes and goes with our degree of functionality. I don’t become a non-person when I fall asleep or become unconscious. We are after all, humanbeings not human doings.

          • Lynnsey

            An egg is not a chicken.

          • Dan Kennedy

            An egg is not a human being nor is a sperm cell a human being. At conception there is no longer an egg or sperm but a new and unique human being.

          • HeilMary1

            And what about all the XXY, YYX, etc. intersex fetuses that you holy womb traffickers then bully into suicide when they later realize they are gay??

          • Lynnsey

            If that’s all you think it takes to be human, you’re doing it wrong.

          • goatini

            SInce he doesn’t think females are human, he’s the last person I’d look to for a definition of what “human” means.

          • Robyn Ryan

            Then you’d better go dumpster diving for used tampons.

          • HeilMary1

            And he better demand priests give last rites to used tampons and have parochial school kids attend open casket tampon funerals.

          • Leap29d

            It is not a human being; it is a zygote.

            Using your faulty logic, If it was a human being, then a zygote could be ‘born’.

          • HeilMary1

            So you also oppose God/Goddess for giving us women hundreds of natural plant-based abortifacients like coffee, tea and the miracle wine Jesus served to the Cana bride?

          • canaduck

            That’s ridiculous. Nobody is judging the fetus because of how it looks or because of how small it is. It’s really cute that you irrelevantly brought up Aristotle in an attempt to sound educated, though, because Aristotle was actually in favour of abortion when the pregancy was a) not far along and/or b) the birth rate in the city was too high. I think that most of us would actually be rather appalled by choice b, so I don’t know that Aristotle is really the guy you want to be emulating.

            Oh, and the fetus has NO BRAIN. I cannot believe you want to argue that something with no brain is as valuable as a living, breathing woman.

          • Dan Kennedy

            I suspect you really missed the point. Nice non sequitur though.

          • canaduck

            I thought the non-sequitur was bringing up Aristotle in the first place, particularly when he was pro-choice. What’s next, “a person’s a person no matter how small”?

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            Next is probably a round of ‘end abortion, send revival’, complete with pelvic thrusts.

          • goatini

            Aw, “pelvic thrusts” reminds me of poor Tim Curry, who recently suffered a stroke. Send good vibes to him :-)

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            Sending very good vibes to Tim Curry–one of my favorite actors.

          • ellid

            Well, you certainly seem to with every single post on this issue.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            So a woman should die because of an ancient philosopher. Gotcha. And again, no brain is a lot more than just appearance, or a disability.

          • HeilMary1

            Don’t you know? Ancient non-scientist misogynist pagans are bigger authorities on gynecology and embryology to Catholic fetal idolaters than Jesus and today’s physicians!

          • Robyn Ryan

            Slavery is defined as someone else having control over your body. Forced pregnancy is slavery. The rest is BS

          • Leap29d

            A zygote does not have an innate right to exist merely by the fact that is has been created.

            Again, until you have a uterus, your pontificating is irrelevant.

          • ellid

            And a fetus like this one wouldn’t even make it to six months 2400 years ago. FAIL.

          • Leap29d

            An inaccurate analogy. To sleep and experience the state of being unconscious require consciousness.

            Beatriz’ fetus cannot experience consciousness.

          • Arekushieru

            What brings you to this arbitrary conclusion that at conception we are persons, Dan, hmmm? I say arbitrary because, like most anti-choicers, you postulate that a person cannot just magically appear. Well, saying that a person exists at conception IS saying that a person just magically appears. In any case, saying that a sperm/egg don’t have unique DNA is to deny that the WOMAN has unique DNA. The minimal requirement for being a person? Human; INDIVIDUAL. A fetus, even biologically, is not an individual. Its component parts can be broken down further while STILL remaining a complete member of the human species. Whoops.

        • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

          The child in the womb has no brain. There is no cure for that and no treatment. It’s non-viable and will die. There’s only one actual life here.

          • Dan Kennedy

            Beatriz suffers from lupus and kidney problems, and some doctors have opined that an abortion is necessary to save her life. Moreover, Beatriz’s unborn child is anencephalic (missing part of the brain and skull), and is not given a high probably of survival once born. Many of those pushing to have Beatriz’s child aborted seem to consider babies with anencephaly “lives unworthy of life” that will just die within minutes anyway. The fact that the unborn child has a disability is a greater incentive to abort in their eyes.

          • Lynnsey

            No, the fact that the pregnancy is completely non-viable makes it all the more ridiculous that she is being denied what her doctors feel is a life-saving abortion.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            No brain is a bit more than just a disability–without a brain you’re not actually alive. Tell me, Dan–just how many women’s lives have to be sacrificed so you can pat yourself on the back and brag about how ‘uncompromisingly 100 % ‘pro-life ‘ you are?

          • Dan Kennedy

            If the child were not alive, there would be no “abortion”

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            Tell you what–next time you have a life-threatening pregnancy, we’ll make sure you get to carry it to the very end. You can ‘offer up your beautiful suffering’ and become the next Saint Gianna Whatsherface. How does that sound? .

          • HeilMary1

            But Catholic hospitals are now refusing to remove even dead rotting fetuses!

          • ellid

            IT’S NOT A CHILD. IT’S A FETUS WITH NO BRAIN. IT WILL NEVER BE ALIVE IN ANY SENSE BEYOND RESPIRATION.

            How can you look yourself in the mirror?

          • Leap29d

            Using the misnomer ‘child’ to elicit an emotional response is repugnant. This is a fetus without a brain. It does not have consciousness, and can never experience same.

            Neither empty philosophical musings nor uninformed medical ‘opinion’ prove your assertion.

          • Arekushieru

            Actually, yeah, there would. Look up the word abortion, next time, before pontificating on something you know NOTHING about.

          • runfastandwin

            But, it hasn’t seemed to stop Dan from learning how to type.

          • HeilMary1

            ALL abortions are self-defense, no matter how cute and priest-molestable fetuses look to you and your ilk.

          • Leap29d

            It is not your call to make.

          • ellid

            In what universe does “no brain” = “disability”?????? For God’s sake, do you have the slightest idea of how cruel this sounds?

          • Arekushieru

            No, it is people like YOU who discriminate against those with a ‘disability’, even if that ‘disability’ is anencephaly, You think THEIR suffering is less important than it is for someone who does not have a disability (unless, of course, it happens to be a pregnant woman), so long as you can make him/her/hir/them a martyr for your cause.

        • HeilMary1

          You suffer from misogyny syndrome that exploits us women as throwaway incubators for spoiled pedophile priests.

        • goatini

          Look up symphysiotomies, MISTER Low Information Syndrome himself.

        • gocart mozart

          I think you suffer from low morals syndrome.

        • ellid

          A fetus with no brain *is* a “thing.” It’s certainly not human in any meaningful sense.

    • Lynnsey

      How close to death does she have to be for HER life to count?

      • Dan Kennedy

        Not a question of being close to death. The medical question is what actions need to be taken to save her life. Abortion does not enhance her medical prospects and could in fact make matters worse, which is why they suggest a conservative course of treatment at this time.

        Secondly, under El Salvador’s laws, abortion is permissible to save a mother’s life.

        • Lynnsey

          I’m sure their recommendation has nothing to do with the ILM’s connections to rabid pro-life groups in El Salvador, right?

          Beatriz’s doctors think she needs an abortion. The fact that anyone else is involved is sickening and that the law supports such intrusion is even more so.

        • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

          So if she does die or is permanently disabled, and the baby is sure to die because it has no brain and is not viable, is that called being ‘pro-life’ in your book? There is only one life you can save here and that is the life of Beatriz. If her life is sacrificed on the altar of Roman Catholic ‘doctrine’, what has actually been accomplished? Nothing but death.

          • Dan Kennedy

            Nothing to do with “Roman Catholic doctrine.” I hear Roman Catholic doctrine also opposes murder, so I guess that makes murder just a Catholic doctrine.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            They don’t seem to have a problem with dead women. Look at what they did to Sister Mary Margaret McBride for saving the life of a mother of four. And the bishop in that case said it would’ve been better for the woman to die.

          • gocart mozart

            Nice logical fallacy you got there.

        • HeilMary1

          “Secondly, under El Salvador’s laws, abortion is permissible to save a mother’s life.”

          What an insulting fraud by child-raping fetal idolaters.

          • oskrNZ

            Yes, but under El Salvador´s laws abortion is not legal to save the mother´s life. I´m salvadorean and I know the penal code– what that guy said is false. And it is true that in the cases of rape abortion is not legal either– in other words– why is it so difficult for some people to understand that ABORTION IN EL SALVADOR IS ILEGAL NO MATTER WHAT.

        • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

          Here’s one question you haven’t answered. Or maybe you can’t. Suppose you’re wrong–not being omniscient–because none of us are–and Beatriz does die in childbirth or shortly before or after. Will you be okay with that, Dan? Is her life a risk that you’re willing to take to bring this fetus to term?

        • runfastandwin

          Also, Dan, if she does die, you are partly responsible.Try to deny that to your god when you finally face justice.

        • Amanda Kazarian

          Um, you are aware the fetus she is carrying barely has a brain right? If a zygote has full fledged rights from conception, what about all the fertilized zygotes that don’t stick to the uterine wall? Believe it or not, that happens a lot with women’s bodies, at random too. Will you hold a funeral for every tampon I throw away?

        • ellid

          Uh, in what universe would terminating this pregnancy *not* improve this woman’s life?

          • HeilMary1

            “Uh, in what universe would terminating this pregnancy *not* improve this woman’s life?”

            In a pedophile priest’s universe!

        • oskrNZ

          hey! I am Salvadorean. And let me ask you if you have read the Salvadorean penal code? I have read it and abortion is ilegal UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE– Read from the articles 133 on, and then tell me if it is true that under El Salvador´s laws abortion is permisible to save a mother´s life– that is a very stupid assertion from you because you don´t know

    • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

      Watch the phrasing there–‘at this time’. That’s the ILM’s way of trying to cover their asses in case something does go wrong–they’ll play dumb and claim it was an ‘unforseen circumstance’.

      • Arekushieru

        When, of course, if they knew ANYTHING at all about pregnancy, they would have realized that this is true for ALL pregnancies. But, of course, even this fact would have little bearing on some funereal robed MEN who will never have to worry about sacrificing their OWN lives in such a manner.

    • runfastandwin

      Complete and utter nonsense. Somehow something called ILM gets to say whether this unfortunate woman lives or dies? How do you sleep at night “Dan”…

      • HeilMary1

        He has no conscience.

    • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

      Taking risks with a woman’s life for a non-viable fetus just for the sake of upholding a philosophical principle or an ‘ideal’–just so you can say that you were ‘true to life’ is beyond sick. There is a real, practical action that you can be taken in order to save this woman’s life and you think she should run the risk of death instead. I agree with runfastandwin–How do you sleep, Dan?

    • NCWineLady

      The answer lies right there: the ILM “falls under the judicial branch of the government.”
      And you somehow think they are going to offer a medical opinion that is contrary to the governement’s stance on this issue?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1196615367 Tanya Nguyễn

    We are not human. we are walking wombs. Slaves for the church.
    Sick and wrong. and weak minded.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EthelDamarisArauz Ethel Arauz

    Women in the US, take heed for this is what the GOP wants for us. There is no exaggeration as restricting abortion in all cases is in the GOP official platform. The only bills the GOP in state legislatures seem to involve restricting a legion and making poor kids go without pre school and food. The GOP has no intention on legiating rather they condemn.

  • David Pullman

    I’m on your side on this issue and believe abortion should be an option for women, under all circumstances, at least during the first trimester. But, you clearly left out some very pertinent facts, in order to make your case more one-sided. I’m a stand for balanced reporting and empowerment through accurate information, not manipulating people’s outrage by omitting facts that are inconvenient to your position. I still readily agree that this is absolutely horrible and think you should trust your readers to do the same with all the accurate information. So, what about this from the NY Times article that you link to?:

    The court recognized that Beatriz has lupus, but it said that her disease was currently under control and that the threat to her life “is not actual or imminent, but rather eventual.”

    It ordered that her health continue to be closely monitored, saying that if complications arose that put her right to life in imminent danger doctors “could proceed with interventions.”

    While abortion is banned, doctors are allowed to induce premature birth if the mother is facing imminent risk, possibly saving the life of the mother and the baby at the same time, according to José Miguel Fortín Magaña, director of the Institute of Legal Medicine, which advises the court on medical issues.

    • HeilMary1

      I’ll bet the doctors will refuse to induce early labor for fear of being jailed.

    • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

      What does that mean– ‘eventual’? And just how close to death do you wish for her to be before doctors may intervene? Sounds to me like russian roulette for a fetus with no brain and no chance of survival.

      • David Pullman

        Ummmm, did you read my comment at all? I think she should have been allowed to have an abortion the minute she decided she didn’t want a baby, health concerns or no. Do you like being manipulated with partial truths or do you feel you can come to good conclusions with the full truth?

        • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

          I didn’t see any ‘partial truths’. I already was aware of what the ILM said, and what the doctors actually treating Beatriz have said. And I also know what a biased group The ILM is–one of the members is married to a member of the ‘pro-life’ organization that opposes Beatriz getting help. Just because death isn’t ‘immediate’ but ‘eventual’ doesn’t mean that she should be forced to take the risk for a non-viable fetus.

    • Lynnsey

      You do realize that this “baby” can’t be saved, right? If you’re not familiar with it and have a strong stomach go search for images of anencephaly. The people opposed to this particular abortion because they might “save a baby” are either delusional or wildly ignorant.

      • David Pullman

        Yes, and what does that have to do with my comment? I don’t care whether the baby can be saved or not, she should have the right to choose for herself whether or not to carry a baby in her body. Do you like being manipulated with partial truths or do you feel you can come to good conclusions with the full truth?

        • Lynnsey

          What partial truths? No one has ignored what the ILM *said* about the case. That’s different from questioning why they said it and how close to death they were willing to let her get before they ‘allowed’ her to have a procedure her actual doctors deemed necessary. Are we supposed to be impressed that they might let her terminate her pregnancy if she was *really* dying?

  • runfastandwin

    T0 heck with the Catholic Church, and anyone who remains a member after this is complicit in their evil.

  • jovan1984

    Beatriz got a death sentence just for being pregnant.

  • carolrhill814

    This is beyond horrible and it just shows how unimportant women really are all over the world that she could very well die as well as her baby is really already dead and there is nobody to really yell loud enough for her other than the officals.
    All we can do is pray for her and hope everything comes to conclusion for her the sooner the better.

  • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

    I can recall ‘pro-lifers’ in the past assuring me that of course they don’t women to die–no ‘pro-life’ person wants that, and that if it really was a dire situation they would want to save the woman. Right. Now I see what they really do when confronted with a situation–and what they’ve done in the past with women who have had lifesaving abortions–they downplay or outright lie about the woman’s condition (if she isn’t right on death’s doorstep it can’t be that bad, she should just suck it up) or implying that she and her doctors are lying about her condition–maybe she secretly doesn’t want the baby or did something to cause her condition, etc. Downplaying anencephaly (no brain and only a partial skull) as something that’s just a disability when it’s a condition that’s 100% fatal and completely incompatible with life of any kind. So they claim they don’t want women to die, but their actions speak much louder. It’s a duplicitous and a very sick game. No surprise, really–duplicity and ‘pro-life’ seem to go hand in hand.

    • Ella Warnock

      Actually, a lot of them come right out and say that all pregnant women should be willing to die for the fetus. There will be some “moving” story about a woman who refused cancer treatment, or some sort of life-saving surgery, and they’re practically orgasmic over her choosing to “valiantly” die so that the kid will live. Oftentimes leaving behind older children, as well.

      And if that’s what she actually chose and what she really wanted, fine, I guess. But don’t try to tell me it’s a selfless act; if you’ve got a husband and a couple of other kids, it’s actually pretty selfISH. And don’t blow smoke up my ass (not you, Jennifer, just generic you) about what “real” mothers will do, either. Whatever choice a mother makes about her health and the well-being of her “entire” family is what a REAL mother does.

      • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

        Well said. It’s amazing how they bring up these stories of some woman choosing to die–indirectly implying that’s what all women ‘should do.’ I recall a story about a 16 year old girl with cancer who refused treatment and died soon after giving birth. One of the comments stated that she had ‘fulfilled her life’s purpose’, or something to that effect.. Which is basically what it comes down to–that they think our purpose as women is to give birth.

        • HeilMary1

          Another good example of such stupid suicide is the first wife of Erik Prince of Blackwater. Catholic Joan Nicole Prince refused breast cancer treatment while pregnant with her first daughter. She stupidly chanced more pregnancies, and her last child, another daughter, re-triggered her breast cancer, which was cheating Erik’s fondest hope all along so he could have a Catholic wedding to their nanny/HO Joanna Houck. Joan discovered their adultery, fired nanny/ho Joanna, but Erik sneakily rehired Joanna to work at Blackwater’s headquarters so they could keep banging away! And when Joan died, Erik rubbed in their adultery to Joan’s family by showing off preggers Joanna at Joan’s funeral! This is how Catholic fetal worshippers treat their mastectomied brood mares!

          • Arekushieru

            I presume that Erik was making all sorts of promises and that his status was slightly intimidating yet head turning at the same time to Joanna, however, so please don’t call her a ho.

          • HeilMary1

            I understand your reluctance to use that abused word, but Joanna had to see first hand the cancer and multiple pregnancy sufferings of Joan. Joanna betrayed her friend/employer Joan and Joan’s children who were losing their mother. Being fired for adultery with the dying mother’s husband should have been Joanna’s wake-up call, but Joanna continued catting around with Erik at his office, then showed off their adultery at the poor woman’s funeral! Ho is probably too honorable of a word to use for that kind of intimate betrayal.

          • Arekushieru

            No, this is why I have trouble with it: Ho is a word that applies to women, in general, because it doesn’t take into account the special societal pressures that are placed solely on women’s shoulders. It demeans EVERY woman, not just the one for whom the word is used.

          • canaduck

            Well said. I have no doubt that HeilMary had no malicious intent in using the word “ho” (well, no more malicious than intended for this nasty Joanne person) but there are very good reasons not to use it–ever.

          • Arekushieru

            Nope, i agree. I LOVE (you,) HeilMary, I often see some VERY valuable insights (from her). Sometimes insights that I would never have been able to come to without her assistance.

        • Ella Warnock

          And young women – like in their 20s young – will comment on those stories and talk about how they’ve “gotten to live their lives, now it’s the baby’s turn.” Really. You’re 23 freakin years old and you think you’ve experienced most of what life has to offer? I think they have some naive, romantic notion of being martyrs. Hey, ladies, get off that cross. Somebody needs the wood.

    • HeilMary1

      And there is growing evidence that fetal microchimerism (which forced birthers claim doesn’t exist) is the cause of deadly autoimmune diseases in mothers. I’d post links, but my comment would be filtered as spam. Just google “fetal microchimerism causes lupus”. Aborting fetuses that cause deadly microchimerism makes more and more sense. And yet “pro-life” Catholic-controlled ob/gyn care won’t even allow sterilization and contraception for mothers already suffering microchimerism-caused diseases from earlier pregnancies to avoid future abortions or their own deaths!

  • Ire Heather

    In religious circles since ancient times, women have been seen as little more than a vessel to incubate the “seed” of man. This is especially evident in the Old Testament of the bible where if a woman was ‘barren” her husband would simply impregnate her “handmaiden” and the beat would go on listing all of the various highly valued sons, while daughters were nothing more than pawns and fathers controlled them. Thousands of years later, how much difference is there really?

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