• http://www.facebook.com/amanda.kazarian Amanda Kazarian

    I have to send articles like this to people who get all “OMG YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND AREN’T HAVING BABIES WHY???!!111″

    Um, maybe because we don’t want to live in a low income studio apartment in a shit neighborhood while taking care of a baby we can’t afford until we hate each other and eventually get divorced from stress and unhappiness. Its such a simple concept why can’t people get it through their damn heads. My husband and I are living well because we DON’T have kids.

    • HeilMary1

      And child-free “abstinent” nuns and priests made similar choices because they fear the expenses, squalor and stress of direct parenting also, but their valid fear doesn’t stop them from their killer hypocrisy of forcing such misery on the openly sexually active. If it’s OK for clergy to be child-free, it’s OK for the rest of us!

    • Ceunei

      From my personal experience, it was the house that almost broke us, not the kid. But, if we had more than one kid (which we can’t, thank heavens, and you won’t believe how may people try to get us to have more until I stop them cold with my one baby body story), my opinion might be different.

    • Guest

      i have 10 kids motherfucker and i live in a castle

  • Bill Falls

    Thank you, Martha Kempner, for making sense of an issue that is otherwise buried under prejudice, denial, and smug ignorance or cynicism on the part of policymakers. Kudos to the NYC DOH for funding the research that uncovered the real role of poverty in teen childbearing. I hope they are communicating their findings to City Hall and to state and federal politicians who have the power to address the roots of poverty. It will take political courage, since the U.S. has been cutting the poor adrift more and more since the Reagan “revolution.”

  • ddaba

    I was checking to see ol’ Martha’s sociology degree, but didn’t find it. First of all, it’s not an either/or proposition. Poverty does lead to teen parents, but being a parent in your teens also leads to poverty. The fact that ol’ Martha had the idiocy to make the statement, “I don’t know whether this statistic is accurate” in her article leads me to believe she’s as bad a researcher as she is a writer. Let me try to put this in words you might understand, Martha: Even if you are writing an opinion piece, do your research! No opinion piece should include the phrase “I don’t know whether this statistic is accurate.”

  • swimoveramat

    So you spend the whole article arguing that teen pregnancy does not affect your future because most teens who get pregnant are already on a downward course. THEN, you end by saying we should do things to prevent teen pregnancy. What? I don’t get it. If it doesn’t affect the future, then why try to prevent it?

    • Ceunei

      Because no one wants to pay to well educate the less advantaged children from the poorer set?

      That is my guess…except I’ve heard it straight from the mouth of a right winged former friend…until I finally pointed out her similarly right winged brother has two unplanned children of his own feeding off the system. That shut her yap up right quick.

  • lk1066

    Why does every discussion of pregnancy, teen or otherwise, make it seem like
    the only person involved in pregnancy is the female. Women don’t get pregnant
    without male involvement, but no one tries to alter male sexual behavior. Males
    are only held accountable, if then, AFTER the fact. Even then, women are criticized
    for having sex with a male who doesn’t support the child. It’s all women’s fault.
    There was also a sense of hopelessness about this that scared me. It’s as if
    young women who have babies not only feel hopeless about their futures before
    they have children, but that they are correct in that feeling, regardless of child-bearing.
    Perhaps better outcomes would prevail if NYC and others would shift the emphasis
    from trying to change pregnancy rates and keep people from having sex to trying to
    change the conditions that cause societal hopelessness. Put the money into education
    and programs to improve teens’ self-respect and job prospects, continue to make contraception available and forget about stopping people—men and women, young and old—from having sex.

    • Ceunei

      I notice that, too. By and large, males are still let of the hook for the job of parenting…even now in 2013.
      I’ve seen countless posts refuting mine that condoms work, because how can a male be expected to stop himself long enough to put one on? I, of course, remain unmoved by such opinions as my partner and I used condoms as our birth control for six years straight (my body will not tolerate birth control hormones without going into preeclampsia). Only after we stopped using condoms did we get pregnant with our planned and wanted baby. Coincidence?

      Oh, we did bother to get married before we dropped the birth control…all part of the plan. Why? Because babies from married couples have more rights than babies from unmarried couples, even now.

      • lk1066

        Birth control pills made me seriously depressed, so I ditched them also.
        I faithfully used a diaphragm and spermicidal jelly for 14 years before
        I decided to have a kid….It worked. The effectiveness of contraception
        depends a lot on consistent and proper use. I had sex one time in my
        lifetime without contraception; I have one child.

      • lk1066

        Birth control pills made me seriously depressed, so I ditched them also.
        I faithfully used a diaphragm and spermicidal jelly for 14 years before
        I decided to have a kid….It worked. The effectiveness of contraception
        depends a lot on consistent and proper use. I had sex one time in my
        lifetime without contraception; I have one child.

  • JGarcia

    As a highschool student, I have met and come across a few teenagers who have gotten pregnant. This article states that it is poverty that causes teen parenting and not the other way around like some believe. I have to say that this statement does hold some truth to it; the research that more financially privileged families are less likely to have teen pregnancy than less financially privileged families proves the fact. What is still unclear to me is exactly why. That article states that it is because teens in lower privileged families do not see a stable future that will fit their vision of satisfaction so they seek the satisfaction they want at that moment. For some teens, they decide to have a baby.

    This is a really interesting theory that I am actually beginning to believe, although there is an ugly truth. The decision these teens make fulfill the cycle of poverty that is in the book The Working Poor by David K. Shipler. Having the baby at the age they are when they are not financially stable traps them from moving forward, or at least makes it really difficult. This keeps them less financially privileged which makes the child grow up the same way the parent did and that continues the pattern, or the cycle of poverty.

  • Chepe

    I’m a high school senior and I’ve seen many young girls get pregnant at the early age of 15 or 16. I also know many teenage girls who have dropped out of high school to take care of their newborn, and I’ve seen how this has affected their education dramatically. Poverty plays a big role in why teenage girls are getting pregnant, either they do not have the proper education to teach them about safe sex or they just get pregnant because they need or want the attention of others. In the book The Working Poor by David K. Shipler there are reasons to why teenage girls get pregnant, and what leads them to getting pregnant in the first place. The reason why poverty plays a big role in teenage pregnancy is because they see that their family is in much need and the government is not helping them as they should so they get pregnant so they can receive food stamps or welfare. Others get pregnant because they don’t have the caring parents that most people have, so they find the love somewhere else until they get rapped.

  • bremipe

    When you talk about the adds and what they are referring to I do not think that these ads should be allowed. It is sad to see how they are turning down teen mothers and underestimating their abilities.I agree that teen pregnancy does not contribute to poverty and that it is the other way around because for some families having children means that they are allowed to get certain help from the government or have these kids help them out when they got to a certain age. I believe that these ads should also be taken down these young mothers are being set to lower their standards and believe they will not make it if they have kids but this is not true.They should be motivated to go on ahead. The following quote was supported by what accurate statistic? “If you finish high school, get a job, and get married before having children, you have a 98 percent chance of not being in poverty.” I disagree with this quote because it all depends on the parent and the way the parent was raised and their mentality. The fact that teen mothers are less likely to graduate is because of all the stress they are going through in school. Also what contributes to the lack of graduates is that the school does not provide support for these young women. If there is such small impact on economic difficulties with young teen women then why is there so much stereotypes going around? Yes, these young teens who are now moving into being teen mothers may fall into the cycle of poverty but that is only if they do not have the support to be able to move on in life. I really like this quote “Hope is always better than humiliation.” because I can in a way feel like that is my belief on many things within life. For this situation I would rather have hope brought from knowing that I was going to be a teen mother than be humiliated because I am a teen mother and have people with negative thought where they tell me I will not make it with a child, or I might just take the negative and make that my motivation to want to move on and prove everyone who doubted me.

    • Guest

      Kos okhatak

  • bremipe

    As a high school senior I have personally encountered friends who fall under this circumstances yet they have been able to continue on with their lives but because they relied on a lot of support from their family, friends, and teachers.
    When you talk about the adds and what they are referring to I do not think that these ads should be allowed. It is sad to see how they are turning down teen mothers and underestimating their abilities.I agree that teen pregnancy does not contribute to poverty and that it is the other way around because for some families having children means that they are allowed to get certain help from the government or have these kids help them out when they got to a certain age. I believe that these ads should also be taken down these young mothers are being set to lower their standards and believe they will not make it if they have kids but this is not true.They should be motivated to go on ahead.
    The following quote was supported by what accurate statistic? “If you finish high school, get a job, and get married before having children, you have a 98 percent chance of not being in poverty.” I disagree with this quote because it all depends on the parent and the way the parent was raised and their mentality. The fact that teen mothers are less likely to graduate is because of all the stress they are going through in school. Also what contributes to the lack of graduates is that the school does not provide support for these young women.
    If there is such small impact on economic difficulties with young teen women then why is there so much stereotypes going around? Yes, these young teens who are now moving into being teen mothers may fall into the cycle of poverty but that is only if they do not have the support to be able to move on in life. I really like this quote “Hope is always better than humiliation.” because I can in a way feel like that is my belief on many things within life. For this situation I would rather have hope brought from knowing that I was going to be a teen mother than be humiliated because I am a teen mother and have people with negative thought where they tell me I will not make it with a child, or I might just take the negative and make that my motivation to want to move on and prove everyone who doubted me.

  • Amy Hill

    Isn’t this the same city where you can be arrested as a prostitute just for possession of a condom? Hmm, I wonder why poor young minority girls who don’t want to be hasseled by the cops might have an unplanned pregnancy?

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