Ohio House: Defund Planned Parenthood, Send Taxpayer Money to CPCs


Preventing unwanted pregnancies should be a top priority for a Ohio politician desperate to see abortion end. Instead, the Ohio House has now approved a new budget that will strip funding from Planned Parenthood and instead provide it first to groups that may not even offer birth control as an option. The House has also approved a measure to pull Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) money and reallocate those taxpayer dollars to crisis pregnancy centers.

“Today the Ohio House voted against the women of this state” said Kellie Copeland, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio said via statement. “The Ohio House passed a budget that, if it becomes law, will restrict access to contraceptives, cancer screenings and other vital health care. Ohio women need Governor Kasich to stop these dangerous attacks on women’s health care. We need him to speak out against these budget provisions and to line-item veto them if they reach his desk.”

Another bill that would have charged a teacher with a $5000 fine for education involving “gateway sexual activity” was pulled from the final budget.

Anti-choice lawmakers tried and failed to push a similar de-funding plan into last year’s budget debate, led by Rep. Lynn Wachtmann, who claimed that such a re-tiered system of funding would “just greatly expand the availability of services across the state.” He and his cohorts in Ohio Right to Life at the time pointed to the hundreds of new medical centers and clinics that could apply for funds. Opponents noted that many of those centers were already able to apply but weren’t doing so because they didn’t actually offer the same services.

Efforts to cut off access to legitimate reproductive health care and redirect the funds elsewhere purposefully undermine women’s ability to prevent unwanted pregnancies and are a favorite approach of anti-choice lawmakers invading the public health’s medical care. It’s a type of trespassing of which Ohio residents seem to be growing tired.

In reaction to recent news that the University of Toledo Medical Center will no longer offer transfer agreements to local abortion providers, fearing political blowback from Wachtman and his compatriots in the legislature, students on campus are rallying to demand that the school put their commitment to medicine ahead of their fear of politicians.

“There is no reason that [University of Toledo Medical Center] should not provide care to anyone, regardless of the circumstances that they need medical attention,” Kaitlyn Filzer, a member of the Student Government Election Board and organizer of a protest and petition gathering effort, to the Toledo Blade. “We understand that the university does not want to take a position on the contentious issue of abortion; however, we feel that by refusing to enter these contracts, the university is doing exactly that. These contracts are a pledge to provide medical care to women who need it, and we feel that UTMC has a responsibility to provide that care.”

The Ohio legislature may feel it has the power to block reproductive health care on every level this session, but they had better be careful. It looks like their own constituents aren’t prepared to let access go without a fight.

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  • Rob B

    Good for them! Convenience abortions need to be illegal anyhow. Don’t want a baby or doesn’t fit your schedule now, then don’t have sex. Sex by its most basic fundamentals is to reproduce.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ella.warnock.7 Ella Warnock

      Who is the arbiter of “convenience”? Ah, yes, that would be you.

      • HeilMary1

        I wonder if he considers Viagra to be a “convenience” or a MUST HAVE?

    • cjvg

      No it is not.
      If human sexuality was solely about reproduction, we would have clear external markers that advocated our fertile periods, and we would have no interest in sex in the absence of our fertile period!
      Just like any other animal that uses sex purely for reproduction we would go in heat and only mate during that period.

      -A human female is only fertile for 3 days out of every 30 day cycle.
      -One day before ovulation, day of ovulation and the day after ovulation.
      -One time unprotected sex during the day of ovulation it self only leads to pregnancy at the most about 25% of the time.
      -A human male could not care less if the female is fertile or not, that fact in no way influences his decision to have sex!

      Clearly not a system designed for procreation only!

      • Rob B

        So do you believe in a God or are you atheist? If you believe in a god I don’t believe any religion is ok with killing babies. If your atheist then we evolved from monkeys and as animals yes, we are originally designed to procreate. And don’t monkeys have sex for pleasure? I think so as well as others in the animal world but we are the only species that kills unborn babies. Yes some will try to eat them however there is normally one parent to protect them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

          Nope, no religion is okay with killing babies. But, they ARE okay with abortion. Read: Christian bible. (Btw, I AM Christian.) False equivalencies with comparing terminating a pregnancy with killing and babies with fetuses, btw.

          Yes, they do. We are not the only ones to abort. Zebras, elephants, and many other types of animals self-abort. WHOOPS.

          No, there are NOT normally two parents to protect them. In MOST circumstances, there is ONLY ONE, that being the FEMALE.

          No, we were not designed to procreate. The uterus was initially designed to protect us from parasites.

        • cjvg

          It is not an aware sentient human being until 26-30 weeks gestation (as measured by the same standards to diagnose clinical brain death)
          This is well after viability and legal abortion is no longer available.
          Science does not support your (religious) superstitions and obviously no “killing” takes place during an abortion before 24 weeks,

          Your personal believes have no business determining my medical choices.

          And no we are not the only ones who kill “babies”
          Plenty of female animals eat their young when circumstances are not favorable (bunnies, hamsters)
          Fortunately we have the medical capacity to circumvent this by aborting before a fetus becomes sentient

          • Rob B

            If you read a previous post of mine I do recognize the medical necessity of some abortions. I would never expect or would I agree with a woman continuing a pregnancy that medically needs terminated. My religious “superstitions” would say to not abort ever and trust god fix mother and baby. However, personally I feel God has given us the medical knowledge to understand when it is needed to intervene. My issue is abortions of convenience. I get it ” your body, your life” right? If a woman want the responsibility of being a parent its ok to abort the pregnancy? What if the father doesn’t want the responsibility shouldn’t he be allowed to make the decision to abort the pregnancy? Should he be financially responsible for the rest of the child’s life that he didn’t want? Why can someone get charged with two counts of vehicular manslaughter if they kill a pregnant woman? Why charge a man with murder for punching his pregnant wife in the stomach instead of just domestic violence? See where I going with this? I’m all for equality but then it needs to be equal across the board for all.

          • HeilMary1

            If childbirth kills your wife, I think YOU and interfering priests should go to jail for decades for murder. Fair is fair!

          • Rob B

            Ok first off, what has anything you’ve posted have to do with anything I’ve posted? You’re comments are so far from the things I’ve said to even be in the same book. Its not even possible to kinda twist my words to even get them close to mean anything you’ve implied I’ve said or believe in. Maybe you took all my words and completely rewrote what I’ve said? I’m confused. I did say I agree with ending a pregnancy if its medically necessary. So because my son has down syndrome you think I should have aborted him? That makes no scents. I would give my last breath to save his life without a second thought. I tried to not post anymore but you are going way too far. If you can’t add relevant information to the conversation, please do not add Anything at all.

          • HeilMary1

            ALL abortions are for women’s health, and therefore all pregnancies should always be voluntary. If your wife wants to risk her life for a Down Syndrome child, that is her choice and you shouldn’t bully her into it to indulge your fetal idolatry. You twist my words and have poor reading comprehension.

          • Rob B

            How is a risk of a baby with down syndrome any more of a risk than a regular pregnancy. There were no more complications with it than our 14 year old healthy boy. I comprehend just fine. All your ranting and raving on the the many post you made were not on the topic I had been discussing with the other people. You said I intentionally want to put women at risk to just have babies. You brought up parenting and medical conditions among other things. So yeah, it is you that need to improve you comprehensive skills.

          • HeilMary1

            ALL pregnancies are deadly, which is the point of this web site, and your selfish ranting and raving over deadbeat daddy and pedophile priest bystander “rights” to kidnap all women’s wombs is disgusting!

          • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

            “I comprehend just fine”

            Obviously not, considering that YOU should have done your homework before coming on here. DERP. So what if there were no complications with it than your other healthy child, you are just ONE EXAMPLE.

          • goatini

            I think that you and your partner, based on the diagnosis and your own needs and responsibilities, should have made the best decision for you and your family. Since you seem to have done exactly that, good for you. Every couple, every family, and every diagnosis is different, and it is the height of arrogance to suggest that your decision should be forced on everyone.

          • Rob B

            And as I’ve said previously, I feel it should be more than just a women’s choice. It was not only her that made the baby. I would be crushed if I wasn’t able to have the child that I was part of the making of just because she didn’t want to be a mother. Not forcing anyone to be a parent but not killing a child either. And not denying one parent the right to love the child. I don’t think it would be fair for men to make women get a abortion if she didn’t want one. It is something that both need to decide and should be part of. There are a lot of options and ending the pregnancy shouldn’t be only ones choice.

          • goatini

            My comment was with regard to your statement, “because my son has down syndrome you think I should have aborted him?” It was specific to a tragic prenatal diagnosis.

            As regards your statement, “I would be crushed if I wasn’t able to have the child that I was part of the making of just because she didn’t want to be a mother”, in that scenario you need to (1) mind your own business and (2) find a woman who WANTS to bear your children. A woman with an unwanted pregnancy is not your cow.

            And as for your statement, “ending the pregnancy shouldn’t be only ones choice”, if I do not want to be pregnant, ending the pregnancy is the ONLY choice, end of discussion. I’m not livestock.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            If you and your partner have a strong relationship pregnancy options would be something that she would discuss with you.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            And it would be more than just ‘not fair’ for someone to force a woman to have an abortion she didn’t want. It would be horrific. And it would be just as horrific to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

          • HeilMary1

            Especially if childbirth permanently injures, bankrupts or even kills her!

          • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

            Then continuing a pregnancy shouldn’t only be one’s choice. But, of course, you think it’s just fine if a woman continues her pregnancy, but once she contemplates having an abortion, you think it should be BOTH of your decisions. So, yeah, in one case, it’s about a woman’s body and in the other case, you declare that it absolutely is not. That means you DO understand that this is about women’s bodies. It’s just that if you don’t like the decision that it becomes about something OTHER than her body. So, tell me, how could you NOT see that as forcing someone to remain pregnant/be a parent? And, tell me, how could you NOT see how obtuseness such as this could so fucking readily anger people? Do you lack critical thinking skills of some kind?

          • http://www.facebook.com/amanda.kazarian Amanda Kazarian

            If a man wanted me to have a baby I didn’t want, he would have to take full legal custody of the child and not involve me after birth. No one can be forced to be aparent. The most a man can do to have control in the situation is to no copulate with the opposite sex. Don’t contribute to an issue that you are against by having sex and creating the possibility for an abortion.

          • cjvg

            Like you told the women who chose a abortion for “convenience” in a previous post, maybe you just should not have sex then!

            If that is an acceptable response to a woman not choosing to be pregnant (which can and does have all kinds of unforeseen and foreseen and sometimes serious health consequences for her)

            Then it is a perfectly acceptable response to you, who does not take contraceptive measures but insists on determining the health options of the woman you so carelessly had unneeded (non procreative) sex with!

            You seem to have widely varying standards of responsibility were women and men are concerned.
            Apparently in your world, men should have all the options and choices and women should have all the responsibility and the consequences

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            I think you’re a little misinformed about what pro-choice actually means. It certainly does not mean expressing the opinion that a child ‘should have been aborted’. It does mean that we think that you and your partner should have been able to make the best choice about your pregnancy without government interference. As obviously you have done, and I’m sure that your son is a wonderful person.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

            Pregnancy is the second leading cause of death, worldwide, for women. Heil Mary’s comments make a LOT more sense now, don’t they? Something YOU could have found out, easily, by Googling it. Oi. Seriously, antis, if you don’t understand anything about the issue that you are discussing, READ UP ON IT, before you do.

            Besides, I DID post that way up there in response to another of your posts. So, it should be even LESS unexpected that we are getting angry with you and taking on a more aggressive tone, when WE’RE the fucking ones who have to keep beating our heads against a wall for YOU. Or, are you one of those guys who likes to blame women for not getting stirred up enough, then blaming them for getting angry about something? Typical misogynist, as I pointed out earlier.

            Rob B, YOU could not have aborted your son. The woman who was pregnant with him when he was a fetus would have. If you were to attempt to save the fetus’ life over your partner’s wishes and wants, you would have valued the fetus over your partner. Again, typical misogynist.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

            “However, personally I feel God has given us the medical knowledge to understand when it is needed to intervene.”

            However, personally, I feel God has given us the medical knowledge to undertake it when the woman requests it.

            See how arbitrary that statement (as outlined by Rob B, himself, yet another random stranger on the net whom I will never meet, nor will ever care to, to hand down as a dictate to women in regards to a function he, himself, will never experience) was, now?*

            No, if a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant, she should be able to abort. If the sperm donor doesn’t want to be pregnant, no problem, he can’t get pregnant! Whoops.

            Uh, yeah, he should, because women are just as likely to provide even MORE financial support to their children, for example, after being granted custody, hospital visits and any other healthcare they received before, during and after pregnancy and childbirth, etc…. And, because they are ALSO required to provide financial support to children when the father is granted custody. That you would even EQUATE a man’s wallet with a woman’s body, demonstrates just what a misogynist you are.**

            Because, the pregnancy was not terminated in the manner the woman wished. A woman ALSO has a right to medical privacy, just like men do, after all. Plus, that’s part of the whole POINT to bodily autonomy, y’know, whole meaning behind the first part of that phrase, “Her BODY, her choice”? Secondly, because he’s being JUST as anti-choice as YOU are, by violating a woman’s bodily autonomy. Again, whoops?

            Finally, yes, with abortion legal it is equal across the board. With a WOMAN’S right to terminate her pregnancy in the manner SHE sees fit, it is equal across the board. With abortion ILLEGAL, and a man being able to control a woman’s body, it will NEVER be equal, FULL STOP.

            *See, our method of determining and balancing rights are far less arbitrary than the method by which YOU and YOURS do so. Wonder why that is…?

            **Also, note: this is where antis true aims come out. Because, if they were TRULY concerned about fetuses, they would recognize that financial support is there to support the CHILD. If they claim that a father should be able to revoke his rights to parenthood simply because a pregnant woman can abort, it means they don’t care that the CHILD will not be supported. Love ‘em til they’re born, ‘inconveniences’ when they’re born, eh?

          • cjvg

            Yes!!!!!!!

          • MaiaC

            Oh, I see. So it’s not that you object to abortion in general, it’s just that you want YOU to personally decide whether each abortion is moral, because you (and your ilk) are the most moral the world, and women at large cannot be trusted to make moral decisions?
            THIS is why you people are clearly misogynist!

            Also – going to explain this one more time: Men don’t get to decide about abortion because their bodily integrity is not at stake. The only reason women have this right is because pregnancy takes place IN THEIR BODY. Savvy?

        • HeilMary1

          If God/Goddess opposed abortion, contraception and non-procreative sex, he/she would not have covered the earth with commonplace abortifacient plants like coffee, tea and ginger and infertile intersex humans and animals.

        • goatini

          “God” or whatever one calls one’s deity has absolutely ZERO to do with my civil rights.

        • squirrely_girl

          A) One’s belief in a god or gods has no relevance to the laws in a secular nation or the practice of medicine on other people.

          B) We are not the only species that aborts pregnancies. There’s quite a bit of scientific information on this. And both male and female animals eat their young.

    • HeilMary1

      You must really hate your brood mare!

  • Guest

    Convenience would be not part of your plan, not medically necessary, because you don’t want to ruin your body. Stupid reasons like that to kill a baby. After loosing multiple babies , like i have,you realize how precious they are.

    • cjvg

      So your reasoning is that if you can’t have any, no one should be allowed to refuse to have them?!
      Self-centered does not even come close to describing your egotistical and shortsighted bullying!

      • Rob B

        I have two beautiful children thank you. But I have lost two as well. What gives anyone the right to kill an innocent? Your way of think I g says its ok to kill anyone who is an inconvenience to you. There are many ways to minimize pregnancy but but if you choose to take the chance by having sex then that is a risk you take. There are waiting list for adoptions so you don’t have to keep it. But killing the baby is the most horrible thing you could do.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

          Fetuses aren’t innocent, abortion isn’t killing and we are not demanding the right to such. If we were, we would be demanding that every fetus, except under a few limited conditions, be torn apart before the pregnancy was terminated.

          AS we’ve said, pregnancy is not convenient/inconvenient, and someone who will NEVER be pregnant shouldn’t be equating it with such.

          Also, there are many ways to minimize vehicular accidents, but if you drive that is a risk you take. But there is NOTHING to say that you can’t receive medical treatment for it. SFS.

          Women are not incubators and/or breeding stock for those that are unable to have a child. If one of those selfish people chose to adopt an older child, perhaps there wouldn’t BE a waiting list, moron.

          Btw, many women, if not the majority, suffer more from relinquishing a child than having an abortion. It’s about time, I guess, to stop expecting misogynists to feel compassion for women, however….

          No, killing, maiming and murdering women by forcing them to maintain the medical condition recorded as the second highest cause of death for women, worldwide (a medical condition that occurs simply as the result of a biological accident in females, and, FOR THAT SAME REASON, does not in males, such as yourself, who seek to punish women for that biological accident) is the most horrible thing you could do, and the very HEIGHT of misogyny. WHOOPS.

        • cjvg

          It is not an aware sentient human being until 26-30 weeks gestation (as measured by the same standards to diagnose clinical brain death)
          This is well after viability and legal abortion is no longer available.
          Science does not support your (religious) superstitions and obviously no “killing” takes place during an abortion before 24 weeks,

          Your personal believes have no business determining my medical choices.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ingrid.heimark.5 Ingrid Heimark

            This is not true. Declaration of death is made when there is NO activity in the brain, not just absense of sentiense. I was in a coma, was I dead then?

        • Arakiba

          Your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s the choice of the person who can actually have the baby.

          • Rob B

            And why should it only be the women’s decision? Were there not two people involved in making the baby?

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            And what if the man decides that he doesn’t want the women to carry the pregnancy? A man’s decision could potentially go either way.

          • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

            Here’s the point. While a woman is pregnant, the only person actually physically affected by the pregnancy is the woman.You talk about the man having financial obligations, which is hardly comparable to the physical risks the woman is taking. A man can walk away from both pregnancy and/or fatherhood–and unless they’re in the military child support enforcement is still a joke. A woman doesn’t have that choice. Which is why the decision belongs to her.

          • HeilMary1

            No fetus has the right to maim and murder its captive host.

          • goatini

            It’s like breakfast: the chicken is a participant, but the pig is committed.

          • cjvg

            Because it is the woman’s body and she is taking all the risk and health changes that come with it!
            I do not have the right to demand that you donate a body part for my benefit so what makes you think you should have that right?!

          • MaiaC

            Sure, but only ONE of those people is involved in BEING pregnant. And only that ONE person gets to decide if she wants to continue that process.

        • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

          Adoption is a wonderful solution to unwanted parenthood. It doesn’t do much for a woman who doesn’t want to be pregnant. And there is no shortage of adoptable children out there, just a shortage of people who are willing to adopt non-white, disabled or older children.

          • Rob B

            You’re right, the women are the ones who need to carry and birth the child. Neither way is perfect and it comes down to personal choice. It is my opinion, and yes I do respect others opinions that I don’t share or agree with, that it should at minimum due to my belief that you should not abort unless a medical reason posses a serious medical condition, that both parties agree to the abortion. Personally if I were in the position were I got a woman pregnant and she didn’t want the child I would take the responsibility of the child. I think both man and woman enter into a sexual relationship knowing the risk that a pregnancy could happen. Its not like either is that ignorant to not know that its possible. As far as adoption, my brother and sister in law are trying to adopt and through the state of Ohio it is very painful. If the state doesn’t agree with how an adopted child is being raised, even years after the adoption, they can came in and take the child even if its not a matter of abuse or neglect. Things like that had turned them away from adoption. That would have been one child now out of the system and more than likely at least one more later. I would agree that child support enforcement is a problem and needs fixed. There are way too many dead beat dads out there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.eilerson Sarah Eilerson

            Well, you would first have to convince her to carry the pregnancy to term, which could be a tall order and you still might not be successful. I think for you, according to the position you’re taking, would need to restrict your sexual activity to someone that you’re married to and that both of you are on the same page in regard to childbearing and rearing.

        • HeilMary1

          No woman deserves gross, deadly, bankrupting, and marriage-wrecking injuries from unwanted pregnancies. And most unwanted children, especially the non-white and disabled, never get adopted because bigots like you snub them. When we were out in public, my own racist anti-abortion dad ran several feet ahead of me and ignored my pleadings because he didn’t want passersby to know the ugly little lobster-skin monster was his daughter, never mind that his own wife burned my skin off as her permanent holy abstinence excuse. I wish my hateful parents aborted me instead.

        • goatini

          Women with unwanted pregnancies are not public baby ovens under indentured servitude to greedy, selfish strangers. Women are not livestock.

        • http://www.facebook.com/amanda.kazarian Amanda Kazarian

          And comments like this are why I’m glad I can have tubal ligation. Think of all the non procreative sex I’ll be having! Oh noes!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

      Please don’t fucking equate pregnancy with convenience. If you HAVE been pregnant, you would know that it is MORE than just an inconvenience, moron. It’s the second leading cause of DEATH for women, worldwide. The reasons are irrelevant, but very fucking few women abort due to the fact that ‘they don’t want to ruin their bodies’. Babies are not fetuses. Abortion isn’t killing.

      • Rob B

        As much as I’d love to debate and dispute your statements from this and your other post, I refuse to engage in a debate with someone not mature enough st resist jumping straight to the personal attacks and name calling. WHOOPS!

        • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.eilerson Sarah Eilerson

          Carla is quite correct. Pregnancy is far more than an inconvenience for a woman. Therefore, many women do not feel that a pregnancy, delivery, or child is in her best interest. Unfortunate, but there you are. Ultimately it has nothing to do with science, as science will not be the decision maker for someone with a clear head and unburdened heart.

          • Rob B

            Perfectly said. ” not in her best interest”. That’s a huge part of our societies problems, we don’t take responsibility for our actions. I created this, I did this but it doesn’t work for me so get rid of it, divorce the other, ect. So I have tried to post valid reasonable thoughts on why I feel how I do, as well as options and all I’ve gotten in return is I’m a moron, doesn’t matter what you think, its our body our choice. I’ve asked questions to get insight and reasoning on your guys stance but I’ve not heard anything other than selfish reasons. Its said to me that no one has been able to offer some valid reasoning. You people can blast me now cuz I’m done reading this. It seems none of you can offer any real insight on why you feel the way you do. Bye bye.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.eilerson Sarah Eilerson

            I gave you a valid reason, it’s just that you don’t like it and dismiss it out of hand. And while your options might be acceptable to some, they’re not a panacea for a subject that is fraught with complications stemming from individualistic and situationally specific dilemmas.

            Put another way, women must be the arbiters of what is in their own best interest. No other woman or man will bear the RISK that she, in particular, will. Rewards are highly subjective, and the experiences of others are no definitive indicator that she should expect the same or even a similar outcome, in part or in total.

            I also pointed out that it seems, for you, that you need a marriage commitment with a woman who believes similarly to you on the subject of family and children, which is just plain good advice no matter your beliefs. It’s unfortunate that you don’t seem to be finding what you’re looking for here; but it is, after all, a pro choice site.

            Flouncing, however, is very bad form.

          • HeilMary1

            Read up on marriage-ruining obstetric bladder and bowel incontinence to get a clue why you are so dangerously ignorant.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

            Abortion IS taking responsibility. Riddle me this, ‘Batman’, if an impoverished woman continues her pregnancy at the expense of her EXISTING children’s life and health, how is that being ‘responsible’? Because, by YOUR logic, it is. But, somehow, someone of YOUR ilk, I think, would want to disassociate yourself from calling that responsible. Case in point, women on welfare who have multiple pregnancies, births or children, are called welfare queens by YOUR ilk, not ours.

            Forcing a woman to remain pregnant is greedy. Which is a sin. However, maintaining a pregnancy and/or terminating a pregnancy is always selfish, but selfishness is NOT a sin.

            The fact that you’ve CLOSED YOUR EARS to any responses we’ve made, and, at the same time, used the tone argument against righteously angry women, shows us just how much you love to shame, stigmatize and marginalize women. Which means the response you’ve gotten should NOT have been unexpected, in ANY way.

          • colleen2

            You appear to think that it’s in our best interest to listen to your ignorant opinions. You are wrong about that too.

          • cjvg

            That is beyond ridiculous and a very disingenuous and inane statement to make, most decisions people make every day are because they are in their best interests!

            You eat well and exercise because you believe it is in your best interest.
            You study and/or work hard because you believe it is in your best interest.
            You bath and take care of personal hygiene because you believe it is in your best interest.
            You do fun things that relax you because you believe it is in your best interest.
            You save or you spend your money because you believe it is in your best interest.

            Now mind you, not everything that you believe is in your best interest, truly is in your best interest.
            However because we are the ones who have to live with the consequences of our decisions, we are also the ones who get to determine if it is, or is not in our best interest!

            You are not the ultimate authority, you can not and should not force competent adults to live according to your best interests

        • goatini

          As far as I’m concerned, any forced-birther, especially a male who will never be pregnant, is personally attacking me.

          • colleen2

            I doubt that he has had sex, much less fathered two children. He sounds like a home schooled 12 year old.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

          Uh, telling women that they are not allowed the same rights as everyone else, is NOT attacking me and all other women? Just can’t take your own medicine, eh? Then I have a few words for you, can’t stand the heat, then get out of the fucking kitchen. Oh, right, to you that’s ‘women’s work’. N/m.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ella.warnock.7 Ella Warnock

      “Convenience” is a loaded term. I do or do not do a great many things based on convenience, as does everyone. Whether or not you in particular can birth children is irrelevant to the fact that others choose not to.

    • Arakiba

      I don’t care. It’s not your choice to make.

      • Rob B

        Why waste anyone’s time with a ridiculous Comment like that? Adds no value to a conversation where I am trying to understand more of the other sides opinion as well as voice my opinion to maybe get other people thinking outside there comfort zone as I am doing.

        • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

          Rob, I hate to tell you this, but you’re not exactly saying anything that’s particularly provocative or original. We’ve heard it all before, from lots and lots of ‘pro-lifers’. All the same, all the time.

          • Rob B

            Its not about me trying to repeat things you’ve heard as I have heard the same from people saying what is said here. I want to get a better understanding on the thought process. Its a subject that like so many other subjects that are full of double standards on both sides.

          • Dez

            That is what the argument comes down to. My reasons are mine and none of your business. The choice is mine to make. You don’t like it, too bad.

          • HeilMary1

            He would never tolerate us taking away his Viagra or forcing on him the equivalent of childbirth (castration with no pain-killers)!

          • http://www.facebook.com/Feral.9.Hex Carla Clark

            Wrong, the only double standard is on ANTI-choice’s side.

          • cjvg

            Choice is not a double standard!
            Choice is just that, it is up to you and what you chose to be able to live with.

            Force is a double standard however, it is up to us to force you to live with the consequences of our decisions!
            These is an enormous difference between these two.
            How can you honestly claim that you respect others opinions if you want to take away every opportunity they have to live their life according to these opinions?!

          • MaiaC

            If that were true, you would read through the HUGE archive of articles and comments explaining just that. You have, in this comment thread alone, ignored more than a dozen people who have directly responded to your reasoning & provided you alternative perspectives But you’re not interested – thus I can only conclude that you must be a troll lying about your interest in honest dialogue.

        • HeilMary1

          Google obstetric fistulas and see if that common scourge falls into your comfort zone.

        • colleen2

          Why waste anyone’s time with a ridiculous Comment like that?please fuck off

    • http://twitter.com/JenGStarr Jennifer Starr

      Oh yeah, all pregnant women are concerned about ruining a perfect figure. It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that any pregnancy affects every single major organ system in the body.

    • colleen2

      Your body’s inability to carry a pregnancy to term is NOT THE FAULT OF OTHER WOMEN.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ingrid.heimark.5 Ingrid Heimark

    The funds taken from Planned Parenthood should go to clinics that do not do abortions, but give STD testing, contraception etc. Any PP clinic that does not perform abortions should be able to benefit. Simply because I don’t believe in mixing the good of preventing life from the bad of taking it