• tsu-dho-nimh

    The elephant in the living room for this discussion is the fact that the “best practices medical care” they claim will eliminate the need for all abortions is not available to all women. Do we have a social safety net that could get this level of care to a divorced mother of two from a small town in eastern Montana? Or to a pregnant teenager in rural Mississippi?

    Best practice means “best of the options available for that person at that time in that location” … and often that will be the low-tech abortion rather than the expensive high-tech one.

    “Watchful waiting” for an ectopic pregnancy instead of methotrexate termination? In the USA, only if you can afford it, because you will be in the hospital or at the very least, have to be within a few minutes of the ER of a hospital where there is a competent surgeon 24×7 in case things go bad. And be there until the situation resolves.

    Intra-uterine fetal surgery? First of all, the “path to the sea” for that surgeon is usually through the woman’s abdominal wall … so she has to take the risk of the anaesthesia and the incisions and the blood loss.

    And not all fetal abnormalities can be corrected by fetal surgery. Anancephaly? Nope. Missing lungs? Nope. Those nasty genetic defects where all sorts of things are going wrong? Nope.

    And again, who is expected to fund this surgery for the thousands of women without any insurance or rich husbands to pay for it?

  • nidawi

    Right here, yup, I’m one of those rare late term abortion to preserve my own life cases that these politicians like to pretend don’t exist. I have a blood disorder which caused severe pregnancy complications early on, including severe growth restriction. And at 24 weeks, I developed severe pre-eclampsia which meant that labor had to be induced despite the fact that the baby was not developed enough to live outside of the womb. My blood pressure was skyrocketing, and if the doctors had chosen to “wait it out”, I could have started having seziures, a stroke, basically all my organs would have started shutting down. Due to their ability to act quickly and decisively, the doctors saved my life and allowed for me to try again in the future. It infuriates me that women such as myself are not important enough for politicians to  consider when pushing these crazy anti-choice agendas. I have to keep repeating my story again and again and hope that some people finally start to realize that not all pregnancies are rainbows and flowers and happy endings. Yes, modern medical science is pretty advanced, but I learned through this experience that there is still so much that we don’t know and so much that we still can’t fix. Pregnancy is still a very dangerous condition and I was lucky to live through it. 

  • elburto

    I came here to mention exactly that scenario. HELLP is terrifyingly rapid, axe unrelentingly vicious. Stopping the pregnancy is the only cure

    A!s for Ireland and it’s patriarchal, religious bullshit – low maternal and foetal mortality? They can thank. their God that England is a quick boat or plane ride away, and that British charities like the Abortion Support Network exist.

    I guarantee that Irish women would not be so healthy if that weren’t the case.

  • give-em-hell-mary

    Given Ireland’s complicity with the child-raping, mother-killing RCC, I’ll bet Ireland cooks its statistics on maternal safety.  And let’s not forget the disgraceful symphysiotomies forced on Irish women to keep them in incubating slavery!



  • colleen

    I have some hope for Ireland. They have kicked out the Papal envoy (and good riddance) and have done an superb and honourable job of documenting the Church’s widespread  emotional, physical and sexual abuse of children in their care. All of this information is publically accessable online.

    We haven’t seen anything close to their  integrity and comprehensive investigation and reporting coming from the US government.

  • liberaldem

    I’d never heard of that barbaric procedure before reading that article. It’s absolutely appalling that doctors would show so little concern for the women on whom they performed this debilitating surgery. 

    Yes, hold the doctors responsible by all means, but keep in mind that the Catholic church preaches twaddle about the ennobling and sanctifying power of suffering.  Yet one more reason that this church should be kept away from any and all medical policy involving womens’ health.


  • elburto

    Having seen the havoc symphisis pubis dysfunction (weakened pubic muscle) can wreak, the idea of severing the SP muscle is abhorrent.

  • give-em-hell-mary

    And just imagine if our Democratic candidates had the guts to bring up in debates GOP anti-choice adulterers, pedophile priests, symphysiotomies, Vatican collusion with dictators, and outsourced jobs to overpopulated Catholic poverty pits!  Candidates should link outsourced American jobs to banned family planning in slave labor nations.  There’s a win-win platform to win over most women and the unemployed!

  • give-em-hell-mary

    Anti-choicers would saw women in half if they could get away with it.

  • crowepps

    “Dr O’Hare said that as Irish obstetric practice is very similar to that in the UK, it is reasonable to assume that the number of maternal deaths here would be similar to those recorded by CMACE in the UK.

    The Newry consultant pointed out that the last time a systematic review of maternal death in Ireland was carried out was more than 25 years ago and therefore the partnership with CMACE in the UK is very much welcomed.

    “Suicide is probably the commonest cause of maternal death,” he said.”


  • faxon

    This is just one more horrifying reason abortion must be available to all women with no explainations required to any law maker. None of us should ever need to prove we were really raped. Prove our health is endangered. Prove anything to anyone. These limitations placed on abortion are just openings to deny all abortions. I get enraged just thinking about a bunch of old men discussing under what circumstances we can have an abortion and voting on it. Scaring physicians into not providing care. No limitations on abortion.

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