• morgansher

    So the way to legally kill off your wife is to make her have one baby after another until she drops dead.  Lovely stuff. 

  • colleen

    would just find another younger woman to replace her (after a short requisite period of mourning, of course)

  • thalwen

    Natural use of the woman? I feel nauseous just reading that. It does explain the right’s thinking perfectly though. Equating rape and sex outside marriage makes sense because it makes the woman “used goods.” Same with the way abstinence is taught in schools – by equating girls that have had any sexual experience to re-used tape, worthless because she’s given away the only thing that made her marketable. And having a woman die in childbirth? Perfectly acceptable, I mean sometimes products fail, if your toaster breaks, just get another one. It also explains perfectly why they do not mention the woman at all when discussing things like birth, she’s not a person, she’s a thing and the only thing that matters about things is whether they’re performing their proper function. I’d say it’s very medieval, yet I think that even back then they had more sense and humanity than these people. 

  • sdawomyn

    Homeschooling is NOT “crazy shit” like the rest of it. Do your research!

  • liberaldem

    As long as Mr. and Mrs. Duggar get air time to prosletyze for their religious views and Savannah Guthrie lobs softball questions at them and then titters at Mr. Duggar then I have no problem with continued discussion of them and their views on women in this forum.

    I particulary appreciate the posts from women who managed to leave Quiverful families and their perspective on this subject.

  • arachne646

    Most families that live this way don’t have a father with a professional career and a TV show (I believe Mr. Duggar owns his Architectural firm), and the life, especially until you have girls old enough to take up some of the chores, is brutally exhausting and frugal. Ultra-Orthodox Jewish families live lives follwing God the same way, but mothers can stop having children then if and when it’s too dangerous to continue. God willing, Michelle Duggar’s ovaries will give up before she’s too worn out for a life after menopause. Less than 100 years ago, that was the way most women lived their lives–pushing out babies until they died, their husbands died, their husbands stopped having sex with them, or if they were lucky, they reached the change of life. God bless Margaret Sanger, et al.

  • lisakaz

    …with horse-and-buggy thinkers like this. I’ve never been more glad to not have children after reading this. I have to wonder, though, reading this, if these talibangelicals are trying to say that “uppity” women like me are the reason why some men are gay. I’m waiting for some pol to try that one.


  • lisakaz

    In my home town, there was one family that had quite a lot of kids, usually spaced 1-2 years apart. While I don’t recall one in my high school graduating class, there was one in my high school older than me and at least one younger (there may have been 2 by the time I was a senior). The family had maybe 10-12 kids when the mother died. The father remarried. He has a street named after him and I (and how many others) don’t even remember her name.

  • thalwen

    Not all homeschooling is crazy shit. However, the homeschooling provided by most Quiverfull and fundie families is very much crazy shit that is less about education than it is about indoctrination. 

  • roddma

    Excuse me but what professional career? 

  • crowepps

    Architects are considered ‘professionals’ however Jim Bob Duggar is actually a real estate agent, former state legislator and coauthor of a book.  I’m not sure any of those are considered a ‘professional career’.

  • arekushieru

    “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    Homosexuality is only abhorrent if you consider it immoral.  Most rational, morally upright people, don’t. The recompense of their error? Hmm, that’s the only place I can see where the bible actually levies a penalty against men but not women. 

    However, leaving that aside, I would like to ask how it was unseemly for Adam and Eve’s children, Cain, Abel and Seth, to have children or seek each other out for ‘working that which is unseemly’? If this isn’t referring to replacing ‘the natural use of the woman’ in order to fulfill the same purpose with men, then this passage makes no sense, after all.  In other words, how does leaving the natural use of the woman, cause homosexuality, for other purposes, in men?

    Finally, didn’t Michelle and Jim Bob decide to stop using contraception after Michelle suffered a miscarriage.  Going by THAT logic, the fact that Michelle had another, much publicized miscarriage, shouldn’t they have taken this as ANOTHER sign from God, to STOP trying to have children?  Oi.

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