Idaho Republican Thinks Women Don’t Even Know What Rape Is

We’re now a week into forcible rape-gate and the issue of Republican mullahs males totally alienating all female voters is in full swing. Rep. Akin (R-MO) really got the ball rolling when he very publicly articulated that the Republican establishment’s attitude toward rape is just slightly ahead of the Taliban but behind Saudi Arabia, but now it seems that the flood gates have been opened and the inane clown posse is serving all the bat shit with a side of pink slime it can to its ignorant base. Let’s face it, here: Republicans are to science and anatomy what excess body fat is to elite athletes.

But this is not a new position by radical anti-choicers. Last year, Chuck Winder (-ID) sponsored his state’s “Double Ultrasound Bill,” which would have required women to have an ultrasound before they can access any abortion services. This lovely Adonis suggested that women should ask their doctors to know if they’d “really” been raped.

“Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this. I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that’s part of the counseling that goes on.” (Veracity Stew)

Having to define rape to these stupid man-children is like trying to explain why putting your hand on a burning stove may not be such a good idea. Rape is forcible penetrate of another person (as in without their permission), which is pretty unambiguous and self-explanatory. Believe it or not, it’s really not like parking in somebody else’s parking space without consulting with them. But stay classy and thoughtful, GOP

Should Republican efforts to redefine rape really shock us? Not really since it is now part of their official party platform.

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  • arachne646

    Actually, Michael, rape is not necessarily forcible sexual penetration. It is any sexual penetration without consent. That includes while a person’s consciousness is impaired or absent because of sleep, alcohol, or other reasons, or if the person is determined by law to be unable to give consent. Force or threat being used is only the most clear and convincing kind of rape that one would recognize, and of course terrifying to the victim. Sexual assault does not necessarily include any particular action.

  • dumarest

    i agree with your definition Arachne. sadly by this definitiion the TSA rapes thousands of people each day and most Americans, the media and government do not see to care

  • coralsea

    Oh, this is just so surreal.  Where are these guys from?  Where have they been living?  Under rocks?  I love the, “if a woman goes in to see a physician to DISCUSS A RAPE ISSUE….”  What on earth?  This is just so far beyond demeaning.  A RAPE ISSUE?  WTF?


    Although I do not wish violence on anyone, haven’t any of these guys ever been in an experience in which they have been afraid for their lives or at least of receiving a beat down?  Don’t they understand that most women confronted with violence just want to live through it?  This whole “but was it forcible?” is despicable — especially considering how so many of them are homophobic and terrified that a “gay” will look at them too closely in the locker room.  (I’m not even going to touch the whole TSA “gate rape” thing, although I know a few men who insist that they will never fly again if they might get groped against their will.)  — Wait, that is quite hideous, and the TSA is awful — but I think you know what I mean — a lot of men are a lot more horrified at the idea of being “violated” than they are at the idea of women being drugged and raped or simply threatened and raped.   I guess women are supposed to be “used to it” or something.


    Obviously, men who hold these opinions have very warped views of women.  They don’t think we understand pregnancy, and they don’t think we know whether we were raped (unless we are also murdered — then it’s okay, unless the like the rapist/murderer, then it was an accident).


    Now I understand why they don’t like science and evolution: it is way too advanced for any of them to grasp.  Although all of these statements are hard to hear, I hope they keep coming out.  Let everyone see just what these guys stand for and how hideous their ideas about women really are.


  • freetobe

    that no one is talking about. If the GOP wins and they make abortion illegal even for rape or incest victims and the women or girls are forced to bare their rapist’s child, does anyone realize that currently 34 states allow visitation rights to rapists?  That being a fact how the hell did  these laws ever come to existance?  That would ultimatley put the children  and the family of in direct danger and if the rapists gets out the whole family would feel threatened.

    No mention of these monsters being forced to pay child support for their demon seeds! Also who foots the bill? The state, the feds? No I bet the victim has to foot the bill. Now the victim has been punished multiple times for no damn reason other than she was a woman!

    heads will roll and karma is a bitch. It is what I say to keep my sanity these days.


  • ack

    You’re absolutely right:



    It is notoriously difficult to collect child support, regardless of how the resulting child was conceived. The fact that victims can be literally forced to see the person who raped them time and again for visitation is completely and utterly disgusting. Most people would agree, but they don’t always think the consequences of a vote through…

  • tychabrahe

    I have not heard of a single incident of a TSA agent having anal or vaginal or oral sex with anyone in the process of an airport security screening.  Do not diminish the suffering of actual rape victims by trivializing rape in this manner.

  • coralsea

    Tycha — I agree with you about not trivializing rape, however, frankly, some of the reports of what TSA agents have done (and some incidents I have witnessed firsthand) are disturbingly invasive.  I, for one, am extremely sensitive to anyone touching me–in large part because of having been raped but also because I grew up in a household where my parents were very free about “manhandling me,” as in grabbing, pushing, hitting with the intent of “getting your attention,” and other creepy violations of one’s feelings of security in one’s body.  They STILL do this.  For example, at Christmas, I was standing near the kitchen, glancing through a book I had received from my brother, and my mother comes up and gives me a hard shove to let me know that she wants me to do something. (She could have just said, “Go tell your brother to come inside because we are going to eat soon, but no, she preferred to “discipline” me.  She is in her 80s and I am in my 50s, but it is still jarring.  It is also one of the reasons why I avoid dealings with my family.  This “corrective touching” is in many ways more haunting for me than some of the actual serious abuse incidents (e.g., having my arm twisted until it broke) that marked my childhood.


    So no, getting “patted down” by a TSA agent isn’t rape, but it can still be a highly disturbing experience, especially because like rape, you have no say about it and are forced to comply.  Also, that some of the stuff they do is highly public–other people walking by–can make it feel particularly nightmarish, especially for people who don’t like to be touched.  I personally avoid flying as much as possible, and am of the opinion that some of the “intimidation” perpetrated by the TSA (e.g., early on, making toddlers drink out of sippy cups when they didn’t want to to prove the contents weren’t — I don’t know, acid? — and threatening the parent who offers to do so in the kid’s place because the kid is crying–this was one of the nastier, non-grope scenarios that I witnessed back in 2003) is done simply to demand acquiesance of the public more than any real attempt to catch terrorists.


    No one here is saying that TSA pat-downs are the equivalent of rape, but it is still distressing for many people to be forced to stand there (unless you don’t want to make your flight or want to risk arrest — hmmm, coercion) and be poked and prodded against their will.  I know that it is sufficiently distressing to me that it has altered the course of my business practices (I’m a consultant) because I REALLY don’t like to fly anymore because of my own fears about being touched.  It isn’t rational, I suppose, but it is very real to me and, I expect, to other rape or abuse survivors.

  • crowepps

    Personally, I think the point of the abuse is desensitizing the bystanders.  The threat of terrorists and the punishment for noncooperation of not allowing travel seems sufficient to train people to stand in line quietly and tolerate just about anything, even an adult stranger sticking their fingers into the crotch of a screaming toddler.  Once people are sufficient cowed by any adult wearing an ‘official security uniform’ to allow them to torment children, it’s hard to think of anything at all that will be off limits.

  • coralsea

    Crowepps — I believe that you are right about the whole desensitizing effect.  However, I stand by my own discomfort with being touched by anyone against my will for the reasons mentioned in my post.  What is kind of awful is that, after writing that post, I started thinking about the impact that my horror of being touched against my will has had on my business.  I really have stopped getting on any planes that I absolutely, totally can’t avoid doing.  It has had a definite impact on my earnings, and I probably need to “man up” (or “woman up”) and go ahead and travel whenever I have a ghost of a chance at work, but the idea of getting pulled aside and patted down is sufficiently horrifying to me that I dread it and have nightmares about it leading up to the actual travel.   I rather doubt that I am the only one who finds the whole TSA experience extremely disturbing.

  • crowepps

    I believe you and sympathize.  Your real discomfort and horror is a vital part of the scenario, necessary so that they can train the bystanders to look away from your distress and get used to ignoring their fellow citizens.

  • julie-watkins

    Minority spokespeople saying “not new”. Considering resources expended versus results, it only makes sense if the prime purpose is social control, as much as those on top try to doublespeak otherwise. TSA is a version of Stop & Frisk. It’s worse in prisons, espeically considering the bulk of people there are there for non-violent “crimes” such as from the War on (Some) Drugs, or being scared into a plea bargain to lessen the time they spend in. It’s not surprising to me that the stuff happens in prisons and the poor areas are now creaping upward with increased militarization. 

  • coralsea

    Julie — Definitely agree.  Also, I work in a lot of lower-income areas, and I am quite familiar with the abuses that go on there on the part of police, education administrators, etc. against people who are simply trying to live, and that would provoke utter outrage in upper middle class settings.  It’s all horrible.


    Also — not to be a conspiracy nut, but many repressive, militaristic regimes have also outlawed abortion (e.g., the Third Reich, Rumania under Ceaucescue) because they wanted cannon fodder (and also, perhaps, because it was just another way of exercising control).  Interestingly, the Soviet Union allowed abortion — in fact, they used it in place of birth control.   As a result, a lot of women were rendered infertile after poorly done procedures, which were quite common.