Wisconsin Lawmaker: If You Are Being Beaten, Just Remember the Things You Love About Your Husband


If you need any further proof that we are in the midst of a full-on patriarchal biblical-religious war on women, a Wisconsin lawmaker is happy to provide it.

According to Yahoo News, Wisconsin Rep. Don Pridemore helpfully suggests that, rather than divorcing an abusive spouse, you should try to remember the things you love about the guy while he is beating you up.

In Wisconsin — yes, the same state where lawmakers have introduced a bill penalizing single mothers for being unmarried — a Republican state representative has come out against divorce for any reason — even domestic abuse.

Instead of leaving an abusive situation, women should try to remember the things they love about their husbands, Representative Don Pridemore said. “If they can re-find those reasons and get back to why they got married in the first place it might help,” he told a local news station.

Yahoo continues:

Pridemore — who, coincidentally, is a co-sponsor of Republican state Senator Glenn Grothman’s “being single causes child abuse” bill as well as a controversial voter ID bill that was ruled unconstitutional earlier this week.

Grothman now asserts that not only is single parenthood a factor in child abuse, women in particular are to blame for it.

Basically, if you are female, Mr. Grothman and Mr. Pridemore feel you are worthless once you leave the delivery room. According to Yahoo, “while [Pridemore] thinks women are capable of caring for a family “in certain situations,” fathers are the only ones who provide structure and discipline. If they don’t grow up with married biological parents, Pridemore says, “kids tend to go astray.”

Uh-huh.

And what’s his excuse?

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  • nefariousnewt

    I have to keep chanting “I will not be violent,” in order to stomach the thought that this person is a legislator and thinks that this is accpetable! Rage does not cover how I am feeling right now.

  • beenthere72

    You’ve got to be kidding me!    I wonder what he’d have to say about my situation:  I just caught my husband cheating on me last week.    I’m filing for divorce ASAP.    Do women NOT deserve respect in his world?    Oh wait, now I read that even dogs don’t deserve respect in his world.    Recall this caveman!  

  • jennifer-starr

    This next election cycle we need to get guys like this out of office. AND KEEP THEM OUT! 

  • beenthere72

    If women aren’t voting in record numbers this next election, I will really be disappointed.  

  • elburto

    America’s on a fast track to the Fifties. The 1850s. American sisters – I’m scared for you.

  • crowepps

    The Republicans are preparing a defense against that, voter identification laws will disproportionately allow discarding women’s votes.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voter_id

    http://prospect.org/article/new-voter-id-laws-target-women

    And robocalls:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocall_scandal

    Unfortunately, it’s no longer enough to urge people to register and vote.

    Now it’s: Register — take time off work and pay money to get exactly the right kind of required ID and make sure that it is correct in every teensy detail — ignore robocalls about how the polling place has been moved or the election date changed — VOTE!

  • crowepps

    Representative Don Pridemore said. “If they can re-find those reasons and get back to why they got married in the first place it might help”

    I just despair.

    Yes, yes, Rep. Pridemore.  There has to be a man around the house so he can terrify and hurt the kids into good behavior (and make sure they’re don’t turn out all ‘feminized'; i.e.: caring and considerate) and if he starts beating on the wife as well, hey, she was stupid enough to believe his lies and marry him so it’s her own fault.

    No wonder the suicide rate for women 25-64 has increased 19% over the past decade.  I am amazed it isn’t a lot higher.

  • crowepps

    The Married Women’s Property Act, allowing women to receive their own wages, continue to own property inherited from their own family, and sign contracts passed in New York State in 1848.  I’m afraid in order to once again subsume women into ‘coverture’ they’re going to have to take us all back to the 1750’s.  Which will be convenience for them, since it’s pre-Constitution, and they can rewrite all the laws to eject from ‘their’ America everyone unwilling to live in a fundamentalist theocracy.

  • wayne1960

    Yup, we’re either going to see a “chrisitan” Theocracy or an all out Civil War if this s**t keeps up. And this War won’t be fought along geographical lines, it will be fought every where. So stop and think, who owns most of the guns in this country, the Liberals or the Conservatives? If you think I’m crazy just ask yourself if you want to take that chance?

  • ahunt

    We really should send this one “viral.” Doing my bit now.

  • ack

    Told him that 3 women die every day in domestic violence incidents. Also:

    “You. Are. The. Worst.”

     

    I can’t do this shit from my FB page because it’s identifiable and it’s bad news for my job, but I will twitter spam as much as possible. If you’re ok with your FB page being linked to things you post, I strongly encourage you to post graphic descriptions of your vag and penis issues on these politicians’ walls. 140 characters will only get me so far.

     

    To start off, I’ll direct you to this article, as it includes link to FB pages: http://jezebel.com/5894635/trolling-politicians-facebook-pages-with-vaginal-news-is-hot-new-trend

     

    I also encourage you to target Debbie Lesko (mentioned in the article), who thinks that employers should be able to decide whether birth control is being used for non-slutty reasons, and Terri Proud, who thinks that women should be forced to watch a video of an abortion before having one. Because my employer has the right to know if you’re taking birth control to treat acne, and because women don’t know that abortion terminates a pregnancy.

     

     

  • ottomarcos

    This guy truly is a “cheese head”, since he obviously has brie for brains!

  • gwynne

    Well what do you know……Rep. Pridemore has just let the world know that he beats his wife.     (I suppose he is also against gay marriage since THAT would “threaten” his  marriage.)   Someone please give Mrs. Pridemore contact information for the local battered women’s shelter.  

  • amyjane

    It wasn’t until the 60s wmen in Alabama owned their own paychecks.

     

    We should blame ourselves if we are being beaten we should try harder or pray more. This has been the answer to women I’ve known from their pastors.

     

    We need to help anyone we can get what they need to vote if we are to stay as free as we are.

  • lilithe-magdalene

    And the commentary has begun….

     

    http://www.facebook.com/donpridemore

     

    Add your voice!!

  • colleen

    Rep Pridemore appears to be a firearms enthusiast and sponsored a CCW bill last year. Such a bad combination and such a common one.

  • coralsea

    Is Rep. Pridemore actually using the Bible to prop up some of his reasoning (as is the case with legislators in some other states)?  Or is he simply a pedantic fool who believes in order?  I have followed the proposed–and in some cases, adopted–legislation that is seeking to strip women of our rights.  Since much of it appears to be driven by Fundamentalist Christianity run amok, I think it is time to ask Christians who don’t hold with these types of warped interpretations to stand up and say enough is enough.  I am not a Christian, but I know many persons of strong Christian faith who are disturbed about the push to impose what amounts to theocratic rule on everyone else.  Even my mother, who is a devote Christian, is concerned about–for example–efforts to mandate prayer in schools because she is aware that there are plenty of “Christians” whose beliefs don’t exactly gell with hers.

     

    Over the past decade, it has been popular for people to decry militant Islam and question why “moderate” Muslims don’t publicly and loudly criticize the twisting of their religion?  But it appears that “moderate” Christians aren’t exactly running for the bullhorn to criticize the whacky pronouncements–and proposed legislation–of the more unhinged zealots.

  • monrovia

    Spoken like a man who just doesn’t understand why his wife, cowering in the corner, wants to leave him.  “I’d stop hitting you if ONLY YOU WOULD REMEMBER WHY YOU LOVE ME!!!!”  What a flaming asshole.

  • krazie316

    “If you need any further proof that we are in the midst of a full-on patriarchal biblical-religious war on women,”

    One idiot is not a good example of a non-existent patriarchy in a country where women are over 50% of the population and workforce.  Not to mention where women hold over 60% of western wealth and make 80% of purchasing decisions.  Lastly Women hold enormous voting power and legislation influence.

    Anyone that says we live in a patriarchy is heavily deluded and needs a dose of reality.  That includes this writer.  On the other side I agree both men and women should be able to divorce their spouse if they are in an abusive relationship since over 70% of non-reciprocally violent relationships are perpetrated by women and about 50% of both men and women are the perpetrators in reciprocally violent ones with women still just slightly more in numbers.

  • julie-watkins

    I just read a well described documentation of a woman being silenced, written by a woman who came home to rant after a bad incident in class. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/27/1078112/-I-cried-when-I-got-home

    The class practically exploded. Suddenly, as soon as I said that, four of the six male students (all Southern), practically jumped in their seats, all started talking over each other at the same time with raised voices, telling me how I was wrong. The women, all but one sat behind me, remained completely silent. I have never heard a stronger silence than what was coming from behind me while I was the lone female being shouted down by four very loud males.

    I don’t think this kind of incident would have happened without the world-view of patriarchy (& rape culture) that would have prompted the 4 male students into entitlement behavior.

  • prochoiceferret

    One idiot is not a good example of a non-existent patriarchy in a country where women are over 50% of the population and workforce.  Not to mention where women hold over 60% of western wealth and make 80% of purchasing decisions.  Lastly Women hold enormous voting power and legislation influence.

     

    And yet women are a small minority in all state and national legislatures, nowhere near the 50+% they represent in the general population. And laws keep being passed that restrict the rights of women to control their own bodies, as men already do. And insurance coverage for hormonal contraceptives is way more controversial than coverage for Viagra.

     

    But I’m sure all of that is coincidence, of course. Why, it’s just as likely that it would suck to be a man in this country. It just had to go one way or the other, right?

     

    Anyone that says we live in a patriarchy is heavily deluded and needs a dose of reality. That includes this writer.

     

    Looks like Rep. Pridemore isn’t the only patriarchal idiot here!

  • krazie316

    I also loved how you jumped over the last part of my statement.   Couldn’t address that even with a lie huh ;-)  it came from the CDC BTW

  • krazie316

    “And yet women are a small minority in all state and national legislatures”

    Women choose not to be a part of these jobs.  It has nothing to do with oppression nor keeping them out

     

    “And laws keep being passed that restrict the rights of women to control their own bodies,”

    What laws are those?  You mean laws that protect the rights of the unborn as they have their own DNA.  laws that prevent women from leeching off government funds to kill unborn babies.  Laws that are being challenged so that women can buy their own birth control.

     

    “And insurance coverage for hormonal contraceptives is way more controversial than coverage for Viagra.”

    Birth control at it’s core and root was designed to stop pregnancy.  using it as a medical treatment is miniscule and should be the only reason for coverage.  Meaning it should ONLY be covered for medical uses any other use such as pregnancy prevention should NOT be covered.

    Viagra at it’s core was designed to address an actual problem that even men in their 20’s can have.  As the wife also has needs and ED can cause depression.

    “Looks like Rep. Pridemore isn’t the only patriarchal idiot here!”

    No you and him are the idiots.  you merely pointed out a bunch of non-arguments and appeals to emotions

  • jennifer-starr

    Look at the all the anti-women legislation that’s been introduced in the last two years alone–it’s astronomical. Forced ultrasound bills, waiting periods, personhood for eggs, so-called ‘conscience’ clauses etc.  If you don’t think this represents a war on women by the conservative (and mainly male) ‘Christians’, than you’re the delusional one. 

  • krazie316

    ‘Forced ultrasound bills”

    There’s no such bill, the ultrasound is VOLUNTARY not a requirement

    “personhood for eggs”

    There is sufficient evidence showing life is at conception.  This includes the fact it has it’s own DNA.  Furthermore 97% of all abortions are non-rape and non-life threatening.  this means 97% of abortions are for convenience and irresponsible lazy females.

    ” If you don’t think this represents a war on women by the conservative (and mainly male) ‘Christians’, than you’re the delusional one. “

    You bring up appeals to emotions just like the previous responder.

  • jennifer-starr

    Viagra at it’s core was designed to address an actual problem that even men in their 20’s can have. 

     

    ED is only a medical problem if you want to have sex. Viagra is purely recreational. Ever thought about abstinence? 


    Birth control, on the other hand, can be used to treat more serious and potentially life-threatening issues. Which makes it much more important. 


  • beenthere72

    Excuse me?  Lazy and irresponsible?   Because we have nothing else to do than carry every pregnancy to term?   Because pregnancies are so easy and carefree?   Child birth and child care is so inexpensive and unproblematic?    

     

  • jennifer-starr

    There’s no such bill, the ultrasound is VOLUNTARY not a requirement

     

    No. If it was voluntary, you would be able to refuse and still be able to get an abortion. 

  • krazie316

    No. If it was voluntary, you would be able to refuse and still be able to get an abortion.

     

    The Ultrasound IS voluntary, google it

  • jennifer-starr

    Not in Virginia it isn’t. 

  • krazie316

    “Excuse me?  Lazy and irresponsible?”

     

    if you don’t want a pregnancy and can’t afford it, keep your legs closed.  You’re making it the responsibility of everyone else in the form of tax payer-funded abortions (which will be addressed again to STOP it.)

  • jennifer-starr

    Having an abortion IS taking responsibility. 

  • krazie316

    Not in Virginia it isn’t.

     

    Yes it is google it

  • krazie316

    “Having an abortion IS taking responsibility. “

     

    I beg to differ, taking responsibility is being able to pay for the actions you took.  You can’t pay and therefore are using tax payer funded abortions on behalf of the rest of us by force.  This will be addressed and hopefully stopped.  You will then be required to pay for your own murder of an unborn child

  • jennifer-starr

    No it’s mandatory. If you want to get an abortion in the  Commonwealth of Virginia, you have to have an ultrasound. If you refuse the ultrasound you can’t get an abortion in this state. The only exception is for medical emergency. 

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/295207-virginia-hb462.html

  • krazie316

    ED is only a medical problem if you want to have sex. Viagra is purely recreational. Ever thought about abstinence?

     

    Viagra is only now becoming increasingly recreational but at it’s core it is NOT.  abstinence does nothing for your wife when married and does nothing for your depression

     

    Birth control, on the other hand, can be used to treat more serious and potentially life-threatening issues. Which makes it much more important.

     

    It’s only important to treat medically necesarry incidents which is miniscule at best.  At it’s core it is used overwhelmingly to prevent pregnancies and should, in that case, be paid for by women not given for free

  • jennifer-starr

    Hyde Amendment. Your taxpayer dollars are not funding any abortions. 

  • krazie316

    No it’s mandatory. If you want to get an abortion in the  Commonwealth of Virginia, you have to have an ultrasound. If you refuse the ultrasound you can’t get an abortion in this state. The only exception is for medical emergency. 

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/295207-virginia-hb462.html

    Goodness you’re soo behind the times…That bill was abandoned and was replaced with a VOLUNTARY one.  Furthermore it’s external not internal:

     

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/22/va-gov-lowers-support-for-ultrasound-bill/

  • jennifer-starr

    I’m sorry, but Viagra is recreational.  And you can pay for it yourself–there’s no reason for it to be covered under medical insurance. 

  • beenthere72

    I don’t know about you, but as adults most of us have something called a libido.   Many of us also have partners that also have libidos.   If we don’t want to get pregnant should our partner just find someone else to shoot their seed in?  

     

    If every sperm is sacred,  STOP masturbating. 

  • krazie316

    I’m sorry, but Viagra is recreational.  And you can pay for it yourself–there’s no reason for it to be covered under medical insurance.

     

    No, it’s increasingly becoming recreatinal but not at it’s core:

     

    http://www.naturalnews.com/001668.html

  • jennifer-starr

    The transvaginal ultrasound is  voluntary.  But you still have to have some kind of an ultrasound before getting an abortion.

     

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57392796-503544/virginia-gov-bob-mcdonnell-signs-virginia-ultrasound-bill/

  • jennifer-starr

    No man has ever died from not being able to get it up. 

     

    Birth control, on the other hand is used to treat SERIOUS ailments and pregnancy itself can be life threatening–maternal mortality is still quite a serious issue worldwide. 

  • krazie316

    The transvaginal ultrasound is  voluntary.  But you still have to have some kind of an ultrasound before getting an abortion.

     

    Actually in reality the term “transvaginal ultrasound” was not used in the original bills, which only stated that an ultrasound must be conducted before an abortion. There was no requirement that the women look at the ultrasound, though the bills stipulated that the patient had to be clearly informed that she had the right to see it.

    “pro-abortion groups have hijacked the debate and manipulated the facts by talking about the transvaginal ultrasound,” said Olivia Gans, president of the Virginia Society for Human Life.”

    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/va.-governor-dilutes-pro-life-bill/

  • krazie316

    the Hyde Amendment prohibits appropriated funds to be expended on abortion except when the mother’s life is endangered by her pregnancy.

     

    The hyde amentment only prohibits a portion of Federal money from being used.  In 2010, Planned Parenthood revealed a total income of $1.1 billion. Taxpayers shelled out $363 million to pad the abortion provider’s bottom line through federal and state grants and contracts (or 33% of its entire income).

    This is the reason last year republicans intruduced H.R. 3: No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act

  • prochoiceferret

    Women choose not to be a part of these jobs.  It has nothing to do with oppression nor keeping them out

     

    Funny, men say the same thing in places like Saudi Arabia.

     

    What laws are those?  You mean laws that protect the rights of the unborn as they have their own DNA.  laws that prevent women from leeching off government funds to kill unborn babies.  Laws that are being challenged so that women can buy their own birth control.

     

    Sorry, but no person, whether baby or unborn or uniquely endowed with DNA, has the right to use another person’s body against their will. And why should women buy their own contraception when they already have perfectly good insurance coverage for prescriptions?

     

    Birth control at it’s core and root was designed to stop pregnancy.  using it as a medical treatment is miniscule and should be the only reason for coverage.  Meaning it should ONLY be covered for medical uses any other use such as pregnancy prevention should NOT be covered.

     

    Since when is pregnancy prevention not a medical use?

     

    Viagra at it’s core was designed to address an actual problem that even men in their 20’s can have.  As the wife also has needs and ED can cause depression.

     

    Sounds like a good reason for birth control to be covered just as well as Viagra!

     

    No you and him are the idiots.  you merely pointed out a bunch of non-arguments and appeals to emotions

     

    Women have already answered this question definitively. But it’s amusing to see you try to deny it!

  • krazie316

    “Birth control, on the other hand is used to treat SERIOUS ailments and pregnancy itself can be life threatening–maternal mortality is still quite a serious issue worldwide. “

     

    You’re failing to read what I’m saying and it’s quite clear.  I said the ONLY thing birth control should be covered for is medically necessary events.  Anything other than that should be paid for by the women seeking it as the overwhelming use of birth control is for pregnancy prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.

  • krazie316

    If every sperm is sacred,  STOP masturbating.

     

    This assumes someone actually believes every sperm is sacred and that they masturbate=assumption fallacy

  • prochoiceferret

    There’s no such bill, the ultrasound is VOLUNTARY not a requirement

     

    You don’t get out much, do you?

     

    There is sufficient evidence showing life is at conception.  This includes the fact it has it’s own DNA.  Furthermore 97% of all abortions are non-rape and non-life threatening.  this means 97% of abortions are for convenience and irresponsible lazy females.

     

    It’s funny when anti-choicers say they’re not misogynist, they just care so much about the itty-bitty fetuses!

     

    You bring up appeals to emotions just like the previous responder.

     

    Arguing in favor of womens’ human rights, and describing women who have abortions as “irresponsible lazy,” are both ultimately appeals to emotional and moral values. It’s too bad that yours are the intellectual equivalent of stepping in dog doody.

  • krazie316

    “Funny, men say the same thing in places like Saudi Arabia.”

     

    comparison fallacy whereas in the U’S. a woman is more than capable and able to hold positions in legislative offices

     

    Sorry, but no person, whether baby or unborn or uniquely endowed with DNA, has the right to use another person’s body against their will. And why should women buy their own contraception when they already have perfectly good insurance coverage for prescriptions?

     

    Then you should have your reproductive organs gutted out as a result of mis-use of them.  For 97% of all abortions are non-rape and non-life threatening.  You don’t have a right to terminate a life that’s not yours and thusly with the passage of personhood bills you will no longer have that right…a right that should never have been a right.

     

    You should have to buy your own because for the most part it isn’t medically necesarry.  if it is than you should be able to have it covered ONLY for that reason.

     

    Since when is pregnancy prevention not a medical use?

     

    pregnancy prevention is not medically necesarry.  in contrast using birth controll to stop ovarian cysts is.

     

    Sounds like a good reason for birth control to be covered just as well as Viagra!

     

    Not really

     

    Women have already answered this question definitively. But it’s amusing to see you try to deny it!

     

    There was no question asked, I simply said “No you and him are the idiots.  you merely pointed out a bunch of non-arguments and appeals to emotions”.  Do you see a question mark in there anywhere.  I already said he’s an idiot, but I’m addressing the delusions of thinking we’re under a patriarchy

     

     

  • ack

    http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RFU.pdf

     

    Before you tell other people to “Google it,” you should try it.

  • prochoiceferret

    I beg to differ, taking responsibility is being able to pay for the actions you took.

     

    I’ll keep that in mind the next time you’re severely injured in an automobile accident.

     

     You can’t pay and therefore are using tax payer funded abortions on behalf of the rest of us by force.

     

    Taxpayer-funded abortions? Where? That would be great! I’d much rather my tax dollars went to a woman with an unwanted pregnancy having an abortion than paying for childcare and other expenses for a child she didn’t even want in the first place.

     

    This will be addressed and hopefully stopped. 

     

    Yes, Republicans seem to be against any and all public policy that actually leads to a healthier and happier populace.

     

    You will then be required to pay for your own murder of an unborn child

     

    Sorry, we’re not interested in murdering anyone. But we do want our fundamental human right to control our own bodies.

  • krazie316

    You don’t get out much, do you?

     

    irelevant ad hominem that does not refute the statement

     

    It’s funny when anti-choicers say they’re not misogynist, they just care so much about the itty-bitty fetuses!

     

    again, irrelevant to the topic.  furthermore everyone that is not deluded by feminist propaganda is a misogynist to you kats.

     

    “Arguing in favor of womens’ human rights, and describing women who have abortions as “irresponsible lazy,” are both ultimately appeals to emotional and moral values. It’s too bad that yours are the intellectual equivalent of stepping in dog doody.”

     

    Wrong, calling women that fall into the 97% irresponsible and lazy is a fact.  It was irresponsible to open your legs to something that will ultimately lead into a pregnancy without you having the funding for it.  For those that do have the funding and are not wanting it it is laziness and irresponsibility.

    Abortion is a form of birth control to you kats, not a necessary evil.  If it were the percentage of abortions via irresponsibility would not bee soo sky high

     

    As for stepping in dog doody, please use your head and grow out of childish rants.

  • jennifer-starr

    What would you say to legislation restricting Viagra use to married men only? 

  • prochoiceferret

    I said the ONLY thing birth control should be covered for is medically necessary events.  Anything other than that should be paid for by the women seeking it as the overwhelming use of birth control is for pregnancy prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.

     

    So by the same token, the ONLY thing Viagra should be covered for is medically necessary events. Anything other than that should be paid for by the man seeking it as the overwhelming use of Viagra is for floppy-penis prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.

     

    You may want to tell the Republicans that, because they seem to have overlooked that most health-insurance prescription policies cover Viagra, without any sort of “medical necessity” stipulation.

  • beenthere72

    Allowing women to be able to control how many babies they birth and when they birth them is healthier for both mothers and the babies they choose to have.   *That* makes it medically necessary.

  • ack

    Zoloft, Prozac, Celexa, Lexapro, Paxil, Seroxat, Luvox… Those are just the anti-depressants I can list off the top of my head. Can’t men with ED just take those? Why is sex so necessary, if it’s not necessary for women?

     

    You also seem to be missing the fact that lots of married men want to prevent pregnancy. Abstinence does nothing for those husbands, amirite? Your focus on the fact that women should just stop having sex if they don’t want to get pregnant is an example of the patriarchy you’re trying so hard to deny.

  • krazie316

    “I’ll keep that in mind the next time you’re severely injured in an automobile accident.”

     

    You can be innocent in an accident, opening your legs to recieve something that can ultimately lead to pregnancy is no accident and you knew the risks.  You should have funding stored to back it up as automobile drivers have insurance in case of accidents.

    Taxpayer-funded abortions? Where? That would be great! I’d much rather my tax dollars went to a woman with an unwanted pregnancy having an abortion than paying for childcare and other expenses for a child she didn’t even want in the first place.

     

    I’d rather she keep her legs closed if she’s not able to fund an event that is originally done for child bearing purposes.  any attempt to get around that is hit or miss so you know the risks.  I don’t approve of tax payer funded abortions therefore my money should not be used for it.  That would be a violation of the concious clause.

     

    Yes, Republicans seem to be against any and all public policy that actually leads to a healthier and happier populace.

     

    he problem is it wouldn’t because it violates the concious clause for those that don’t want to be apart of your murdering of unborn children.

     

    Sorry, we’re not interested in murdering anyone. But we do want our fundamental human right to control our own bodies.

     

    says the one who’s for the murdering of unborn children, lol

     

  • krazie316

    I did google it and posted several links backing my claims.  rebuttal fail on your behalf as I was talking about the Virgina debacle

  • beenthere72

    Google this guy.  He’s an MRA, narcissistic, homophobic mysoginist.   He’s a Bei-alike.   Like they went to the same anti-women school.   Also has a foot fetish, apparently.   He wants this attention.  Let’s stop giving it to him.   It’s all about his bible and his bible only.   Closed mind, no opening it. 

  • prochoiceferret

    irelevant ad hominem that does not refute the statement

     

    No, the Guttmacher link refutes the statement. But I know better than to think you’ll be swayed by facts.

     

    again, irrelevant to the topic.  furthermore everyone that is not deluded by feminist propaganda is a misogynist to you kats.

     

    Yes, I can see how the notion of treating women as equal human beings is “propaganda” to you.

     

    Wrong, calling women that fall into the 97% irresponsible and lazy is a fact.  It was irresponsible to open your legs to something that will ultimately lead into a pregnancy without you having the funding for it.  For those that do have the funding and are not wanting it it is laziness and irresponsibility.

     

    And yet it’s a medical necessity for men to have Viagra, because enabling them to have sex even if they suffer from ED prevents them from becoming “depressed.”

     

    (At this rate, I’m beginning to suspect you’re actually a feminist scholar, putting on a performance of a textbook patriarchal mindset. It’s quite good—I would say, almost too good! The persona is practically a caricature, at the rate you’re playing it. You may want to make him a little sympathetic in some respect, so that he’s just a tad more relatable. Otherwise, good show! I’ll continue playing along.)

     

    Abortion is a form of birth control to you kats, not a necessary evil.  If it were the percentage of abortions via irresponsibility would not bee soo sky high

     

    Abortion is birth control, actually. It’s not an evil, it’s just a medical procedure (albeit not the most pleasant one in the world). If you don’t want there to be so many abortions, you may want to consider making more convenient forms of birth control more easily accessible. It’s not like trying to shame women out of having sex has worked in the few millenia people like you have been trying it.

     

    As for stepping in dog doody, please use your head and grow out of childish rants.

     

    After you!

  • ack

    Read the list below and tell me if this happens to men who can’t get an erection, then explain why ED is a medical issue while preventing pregnancy is not.

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
    • difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
    • inability to take regular medications
    • shortness of breath
    • higher blood pressure
    • hair loss
    • tendency to anemia
    • curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
    • infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section — major surgery — is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
    • changes to breasts
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)

    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses — 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 – 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, “tail bone”)
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including “egg harvesting” from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula

    More permanent side effects:

     

    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
  • jennifer-starr

    Yeah, he’s a nut, all right.  A King James ‘Onlyist’, apparently–though I’m pretty sure that’s not an actual word.  A foot fetishist–lol. I worked in a call center as a teen and we had one of those–he used to call in and ask if he could kiss our toes–gross.  Though MRA types are generally pretty gross, so I guess it fits. 

  • prochoiceferret

    You can be innocent in an accident, opening your legs to recieve something that can ultimately lead to pregnancy is no accident and you knew the risks.

     

    Just as you did when you got into the car.

     

    You should have funding stored to back it up as automobile drivers have insurance in case of accidents.

     

    How interesting that you should bring up the topic of insurance and “accidents”…

     

    I’d rather she keep her legs closed if she’s not able to fund an event that is originally done for child bearing purposes.  any attempt to get around that is hit or miss so you know the risks.

     

    “Getting around that” has a much higher success rate than telling people they shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want a kid. Me? I have a penchant for policy that actually works in the real world. I’m funny like that!

     

    I don’t approve of tax payer funded abortions therefore my money should not be used for it.  That would be a violation of the concious clause.

     

    Should I tell him, folks? Or should I let this blissfully delicate flower of ignorance remain untouched for a little longer?

     

    he problem is it wouldn’t because it violates the concious clause for those that don’t want to be apart of your murdering of unborn children.

     

    The people who crow about “murdering of unborn children” don’t have a good track record on the whole “healthy and happy” thing. Not least because they think sex is only about reproduction, and not about intimate human connection.

     

    says the one who’s for the murdering of unborn children, lol

     

    I suppose you could see it that way, if you give “murder” a new definition different from how most people use it. I think I’ll go murder a sandwich now…

  • krazie316

    No, the Guttmacher link refutes the statement. But I know better than to think you’ll be swayed by facts.

     

    You haven’t posted any links.  The link that was posted by ack is irrelevant due to the fact i was addressing the Virginia debacle on forced transvaginal ultrasounds which is a fallacy.  I post facts, you post emotions.

     

    Yes, I can see how the notion of treating women as equal human beings is “propaganda” to you.

     

    If that’s what you want to think feminism is about, in reality it’s about putting women on a pedestal and putting them ahead of men by force instead of women actually earning positions and placements.  It’s also about re-distribution of wealth towards women as feminisn is likened to marxism.  I don’t have the room to go on about it in full blown detail.

     

    And yet it’s a medical necessity for men to have Viagra, because enabling them to have sex even if they suffer from ED prevents them from becoming “depressed.”

     

    I never said it was “medically necesarry”

     

    (At this rate, I’m beginning to suspect you’re actually a feminist scholar……….

     

    More fantasizing and irrelevant literature eh

     

    Abortion is birth control, actually. It’s not an evil, it’s just a medical procedure….

     

    No Abortions are only a form of birth control to you irresponsible and lazy liberals.  it is a necesarry evil for some that think about the rape/life threatening part but still are against the 97% of the cases.  If you can’t fund it you shouldn’t be partaking in it

  • krazie316

    Though MRA types are generally pretty gross, so I guess it fits. 

     

    The same can be said abour your ilk

  • krazie316

    Google this guy.  He’s an MRA, narcissistic, homophobic mysoginist.   He’s a Bei-alike.   Like they went to the same anti-women school.   Also has a foot fetish, apparently.   He wants this attention.  Let’s stop giving it to him.   It’s all about his bible and his bible only.

     

    I fear neither homosexuality nor homosexuals figuratively nor litterally therefore I can’t be homophobic.  i don’t hate women especially being in a relationship with one, and I wen’t to a public school pushing through liberal garbage being taught.

    Nothing wrong with having a foot fetish last time I checked, and being an M.R.A. is a given due to the feminist propaganda machine spreading lies that have been debunked coutless times by even non-M.R.A.’s and female M.R.A.’s.

     

    Closed mind, no openingit

     

    it’s open, just not soo mush that my brain falls out.

     

    I’ve left my parting address at the bottom, peace!

  • krazie316

    it was fun but I have better things to do than argue with kats that think we’re under a patriarchy…how laughable.

     

    Peace!

  • ack

    You don’t have a right to terminate a life that’s not yours and thusly with the passage of personhood bills you will no longer have that right…a right that should never have been a right.

     

    Are you on the bone marrow transplant list? If you’re expecting women to donate their entire bodies to another human for nine months and then literally have their vaginas and labias ripped open, a big needle shouldn’t be a problem. Why do people have the right to not donate bone marrow, blood, or other organs if pregnant women are expected to? Humans die every day because people don’t donate, but no one is trying to pass laws that mandate even a 15 minute blood donation.

  • ack

    Which has also already been rebutted, as they made the transvaginal ultrasound consent based but still require an ultrasound.

  • ack

    I think you’re missing the point of the term “recreational.” In this case, I believe the commenter was talking about recreational sex, not recreational drug use.

    If insurance coverage for Viagra followed the same rules as you’re offering for birth control, the only time men would be able to use it was when they wanted to make a baby.

  • ack

     floppy-penis prevention

    If I ever become a drug researcher and I happen to publish a paper on erectile dysfunction, this will be the title. Also, I may name a really sexy cocktail dress I have “Floppy-Penis Prevention.”

  • vanillakernel

    His point was that there is no required tranvaginal ultrasound, not the fact required regular ultrasound is non-existent. This is evident in the type of articles he posted.

    There’s nothing invasive about required regular ultrasounds so it becomes a non-issue as it’s external.

  • ack

    That was hard to read. If you haven’t read this one already, you should:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/1969/12/31/womens-reproductive-rights_n_1345214.html

     

     

  • jennifer-starr

    No, sorry–that’s not what he said at all. He said that ultrasounds (and he didn’t originally specify which kind) were voluntary and they are not.  

  • vanillakernel

    Once you look at the links he posted and what he’s saying it becomes quite obvious as he repeatedly said there is no forced “TRANSVAGINAL” ultrasound in the bill regarding Virginia abandoning him.  All the comments are still up there

  • jennifer-starr

    And my statement was about forced ultrasounds period. And I think you’ll find that I was the one who originally  brought it up to begin with. 

  • ack

    His post stated that ultrasounds were voluntary, not that transvaginal ultrasounds were voluntary. He then stated, “Furthermore, it’s external, not internal,” indicating that he believes that ultrasound, however it is completed, is voluntary. The story he posted talked about transvaginal ultrasounds, and incorrectly stated at the end that the “ultrasound” would be voluntary rather than reflecting the actual bill as amended. Seriously, if he’s going to troll amongst people who are far more educated than he on this issue, he should learn to use the internet. This isn’t hard. The bill was already signed into law.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57392796-503544/virginia-gov-bob-mcdonnell-signs-virginia-ultrasound-bill/

     

    The Guttmacher link was absolutely relevant, as he also seems to believe that this VA situation was somehow new. It’s not.

  • prochoiceferret

    Once you look at the links he posted and what he’s saying it becomes quite obvious as he repeatedly said there is no forced “TRANSVAGINAL” ultrasound in the bill regarding Virginia abandoning him.  All the comments are still up there

     

    So in other words, we made the rookie mistake of taking him at his word.

  • prochoiceferret

    There’s nothing invasive about required regular ultrasounds so it becomes a non-issue as it’s external.

     

    Yes, it’s not like legislation mandating medical procedures that are not medically necessary is a big deal or anything.

  • vanillakernel

    The link he posted says ““no woman in Virginia will have to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound involuntarily.””

    This is the point he was making.  after that he said it’s external, not internal.  Therefore there is no invasion here.  he could have worded it better but it doesn’t make him less educated.  The fact you’re trying to boast more education only make you look  like a fool.

    trolling is when someone posts irrelevant junk and ad hominem attacks.  That is not what he did.

    if you’re going to claim someone is uneducated perhaps you should first educate yourself on the terms you use

  • ack

    Have there been any Get Out The Vote efforts that assist people who need documentation? The frustrating thing, and the reason that bills should never have passed, is that a lot of people in rural areas just don’t have a birth certificate. Midwives attended their mothers, and they were therefore never given one. I’d donate to an effort that tries to remedy this, but I can’t find any.

  • ack

    There are some amazing comments on there:

     

    This is what an old, white man who is afraid of losing power looks like. Scary…isn’t it?

     

    I bet that you’re one of those Republicans who is saying “what war on women?” You are pathetic. I feel sorry for any women in your life

     

    Things not go as planned little buddy?

  • ack

    As long as everyone who is involved in a sexual act is 100% YES consenting, I’m actually ok with the foot fetish. I’m sure there are people out there who are into being on the receiving end. I just hope they get regular pedicures so it’s as clean and safe as possible. :)

  • ack

    When are they going to start mandating that people get their wisdom teeth removed? I bet a lot of oral surgeons would support that bill.

  • prochoiceferret

    This is the point he was making.  after that he said it’s external, not internal.

     

    The bill got scaled back to that thanks to feminists raising a major hullabaloo. The bill as originally drafted would have required the transvaginal ultrasound.

     

    he could have worded it better but it doesn’t make him less educated.

     

    Yes, it’s not like communication skills are something educated people are usually good at.

     

    The fact you’re trying to boast more education only make you look  like a fool. trolling is when someone posts irrelevant junk and ad hominem attacks.  That is not what he did.

     

    It does seem to be what you are doing!

     

    Therefore there is no invasion here.

     

    Most invasions of privacy don’t involve an object inside the body, so I guess those aren’t really “invasions” either.

  • ack

    There are actually cases of women whose abusive exes used to scream “I love you!” while beating them. Really, really fucked up.

  • beenthere72

    Yeah, you’re not  a homophobe… http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Christ  

     

  • beenthere72

    It’s apparent he got all his thug friends to come here and mess with all the ratings too.   How mature.

  • rebellious-grrl

    Excellent advice beenthere72, it looks like we have an attack of the MRA trolls again.

  • ack

    Actually in reality the term “transvaginal ultrasound” was not used in the original bills, which only stated that an ultrasound must be conducted before an abortion

    The language of the bill required the mandatory ultrasound to produce the best possible image. 90% of abortions occur in the first trimester, when a transvaginal ultrasound produces the best image; the fetus is smaller than a strawberry for the first nine weeks of pregnancy. The words “transvaginal ultrasound” didn’t have to be in there.

     

    Ultrasound =/= transvaginal ultrasound, which is why they had to amend the bill, and why your repeated declaration that there are no laws mandating “ultrasounds” is patently false.

  • beenthere72

    Well I just found it interesting that the guy espousing ‘Keep your legs shut’ putting a video on the internet for all to see of himself acting out his fetish, even if it is with his wife/girlfriend.     Not very conservative or christ-like of him now, is it? 

  • ack

    trolling is when someone posts irrelevant junk and ad hominem attacks.  That is not what he did.

     

    You’re right. I should have said flaming, instigating, or just repeating a bunch of asanine comments because he thinks that makes it true while ignoring arguments about bodily autonomy and the hypocrisy of believing that men should have coverage for medication that makes non-procreative sex possible but women shouldn’t.

  • ack

    I would think that a lot of MRAs would agree with the pro-choice position. It’s actually in alignment with some of their beliefs. They think that women get too much government support, they don’t want to be responsible for children, they want (and sometimes weirdly loathe) sex with women, and they want men to have more protection legally. Both contraception and abortion help women advance their careers and education, reducing the likelihood that they’ll need government support, help people who don’t want to be parents now or possibly ever, help people plan their families so they can have non-procreative sex, and uphold the right of bodily autonomy, which helps both men AND women. Really, they should be some of the most staunch supporters of available contraception, Title X, and abortion rights.

  • krazie316

    Yeash that’s a real credible source of information, lol fail.  By definition i can’t be homophobic because I feear no homosexual nor homosexuality figuratively nor litterally

  • krazie316

    a troll is someone that posts irrelevant garbage including ad hominem attacks, I have yet to post irrelevant stuff.

     

    My initial post actually states:

     

    One idiot is not a good example of a non-existent patriarchy in a country where women are over 50% of the population and workforce.  Not to mention where women hold over 60% of western wealth and make 80% of purchasing decisions.  Lastly Women hold enormous voting power and legislation influence.

    Anyone that says we live in a patriarchy is heavily deluded and needs a dose of reality.  That includes this writer.  On the other side I agree both men and women should be able to divorce their spouse if they are in an abusive relationship since over 70% of non-reciprocally violent relationships are perpetrated by women and about 50% of both men and women are the perpetrators in reciprocally violent ones with women still just slightly more in numbers.

  • krazie316

    Actually I clarified later when I said and I quote:

     

    “The link that was posted by ack is irrelevant due to the fact i was addressing the Virginia debacle on forced transvaginal ultrasounds which is a fallacy.”

  • beenthere72

    The definition also includes hate and I don’t think someone went out of their way to include you on that page just because your some nice guy with a couple videos on the interwebs with only nice things to say. 

  • krazie316

    In not one video have I demonstrated hate towards homosexuals.  You people would call anything dissagreeing with whatever lifestyle you support as hate.

  • krazie316

        I should have said flaming, instigating, or just repeating a bunch of asanine comments

    Is that what they call credible arguments now, lol

    “ignoring arguments about bodily autonomy”

    I’ve ignored no arguments and put forth the claim that when it is passed that life is at conception you will no longer be allowed to murder unborn children

    “hypocrisy of believing that men should have coverage for medication that makes non-procreative sex possible but women shouldn’t.”

    I never said Viagra should be covered while birth control shouldn’t.  You’re soo full of crap it’s not funny.

    I said in detail several times that the only thing that should be covered is medically necessary birth control for something like ovarian cysts.

    I never said anywhere in any of my comments Viagra should be covered while BC shouldn’t.  In fact viagra’s coverage never came up we were arguing the use of each only.

    You’re overwhelmingly dishonest I’m pretty much done addressing you for that reason

  • beenthere72
  • vanillakernel

    it was later clarified the Virginia bill does not require transvaginal ultrasounds.

     

    Apparently you’re too blind to have read it.  It was even quoted earlier towards ProChoiceFerret:

     

    “The link that was posted by ack is irrelevant due to the fact i was addressing the Virginia debacle on forced transvaginal ultrasounds which is a fallacy.”

  • krazie316

    By your weak definition of hate everyone is guilty of it, lol.  There is no hate exhibited in neither of those videos.

    The first video, however, I had planned to make a retraction on based on the fact that being in the military is a job and nobody should be fired from their job for being a homosexual.  If they’re trying to promote their lifestyle though when their job has nothing to do with it then they’re useless.

    The second video addresses arguments homosexuals make regarding the animal kingdom, it exhibits no hate towards them though.

    Hate speech requires you to incite some kind of violence against a group.  This i have never done I’ve only made arguments against it on genetics.  For those the challenge me biblically ONLY THEN do I use the bible to address heretics

  • purplemistydez

    Peace.  We have better things to do than argue with an anti-choice woman hater.  Don’t worry though.  Abortion will always be legal.  Abortion has been around for thousands of generations.  It’s not going anywhere, so I’m not worried about assholes like you that hate that women would dare control their bodies without your permission.  LOL.  You’ll go down in history on the same level as the racists and homophobes of the past.

  • rebellious-grrl

    if you don’t want a pregnancy and can’t afford it, keep your legs closed.

    STOP slut-shaming!!!!!!

    Slut-shaming is evidence of a patriarchal culture.

    Slut-shaming, also known as slut-bashing, is the idea of shaming and/or attacking a woman or a girl for being sexual, having one or more sexual partners, acknowledging sexual feelings, and/or acting on sexual feelings. Furthermore, it’s “about the implication that if a woman has sex that traditional society disapproves of, she should feel guilty and inferior” (Alon Levy, Slut Shaming). It is damaging not only to the girls and women targeted, but to women in general an society as a whole. It should be noted that slut-shaming can occur even if the term “slut” itself is not used.
    - Quoted from –
    http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/what-is-slut-shaming/

  • prochoiceferret

    it was later clarified the Virginia bill does not require transvaginal ultrasounds.

     

    If by “clarified” you mean “changed to require an abdominal ultrasound because the politicians supporting the bill were spooked by all the bad publicity they were getting about requiring a transvaginal one,” then yes.

     

    You may want to try your schtick in the comments section of CNN.com. Around here, we’re actually familiar with these bills, what’s in them, and how they came to be.

  • prochoiceferret

    If I ever become a drug researcher and I happen to publish a paper on erectile dysfunction, this will be the title. Also, I may name a really sexy cocktail dress I have “Floppy-Penis Prevention.”

     

    I’m happy to add “provider of eye-catching titles for potential future scientific papers and possible nicknames for smoking hot evening wear” to my job description! =^_^=

  • krazie316

    I don’t have videos acting out a foot fetish moron…I have videos saying I have one and that there’s no problem with having one.  Videos in response to people trying to make a big deal out of nothing

  • victoriapalmer91

    Wow, so let me get this straight.  Being against feminism as it seeks to not make women equal, yet put them at an advantage, makes you hateful towards women.  What closed minded ignorance you possess.

    To compare a racist with someone who’s stands against a hostile belief is just absurd.  You people are dangerous.  Calling someone a homophobe is grammatically incorrect BTW.

  • krazie316

    I just love how my comments keep getting removed. (a portion of this comment was removed for violation of our commenting policy).

    I can’t be homophobic because I fear neither homosexuals nor homosexuality figuratively or literally.  I can’t be a misogynist being that I don’t hate women and am in a relationship with one.  I went to a public school pushing through all the liberal garbage being regurgitated.

     

    There’s nothing wrong with having a foot fetish, and I’m not closed minded, my mind’s just not soo far open that my brain falls out.

  • vanillakernel

    No by clarified I’m saying Krazie clarified what he mean later on by saying what was quoted, therefore there’s no excuse not to know what he meant.

    Again the original language of the bill did not say transvaginal, that was a dishonest liberal democratic scare tactic.  They later amended the bill to clarify what kind of ultrasound as transvaginal is too intrusive.

    I don’t watch the communist news network.  That’s a liberal haven for people like you…a Marxist feminist that expects everything be given to you for free.

  • prochoiceferret

    Wow, so let me get this straight.  Being against feminism as it seeks to not make women equal, yet put them at an advantage, makes you hateful towards women.

     

    No, feminism seeks to make women equal members of society. Putting them at an advantage is female supremacism. We don’t do that ’round these parts.

     

    And yes, being against feminism does make you hateful toward women. That doesn’t mean you don’t love your mother, your wife, or your daughter. But it does mean that you don’t see women as the social, intellectual, and spiritual equals of men.

     

    Now you have it straight!

     

    What closed minded ignorance you possess.

     

    If we were against feminism, we would certainly have that in droves.

     

    To compare a racist with someone who’s stands against a hostile belief is just absurd.  You people are dangerous.

     

    No, people who harass, injure and kill racial and sexual minorities for being who they are are dangerous. We just call a spade a spade.

     

    (Oh, you mean, dangerous to your prejudice! Yes, I suppose we do represent a threat to that.)

     

    Calling someone a homophobe is grammatically incorrect BTW.

     

    You used “who’s” instead of “who” two quotes up, and you’re lecturing us on grammar?

  • prochoiceferret

    No by clarified I’m saying Krazie clarified what he mean later on by saying what was quoted, therefore there’s no excuse not to know what he meant.

     

    This Krazie person isn’t very good at expressing himself, it seems.

     

    Again the original language of the bill did not say transvaginal, that was a dishonest liberal democratic scare tactic.  They later amended the bill to clarify what kind of ultrasound as transvaginal is too intrusive.

     

    You don’t have a very good grasp of how legalese works, do you? (Hint: The First Amendment doesn’t have the words “separation of church and state,” and yet that seems to be a thing.)

     

    I don’t watch the communist news network.  That’s a liberal haven for people like you…a Marxist feminist that expects everything be given to you for free.

     

    Given how much you’ve been posting here, it sounds right up your alley!

     

    (Oh, and while I like the Marx brothers, I prefer Lucille Ball.)

  • jennifer-starr

    I’m a Marxist. Groucho and Chico are my favorites, by the way. 

  • prochoiceferret

    I’m a Marxist. Groucho and Chico are my favorites, by the way.

     

    I may not be big on their physical comedy, but I’ve always had a soft spot for “The party of the first part shall be known in this contract as the party of the first part …

  • mcnuffin

    “You don’t have a very good grasp of how legalese works, do you? (Hint: The First Amendment doesn’t have the words “separation of church and state,” and yet that seems to be a thing.)”

    Separation of church and state was in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danburry Baptist regarding a SPECIFIC STATE ENFORCED DENOMINATION. The first amendment protects the church from the government. Ever heard of the Church of England? It was the state putting their hands into and corrupting the church.

  • victoriapalmer91

    “No, feminism seeks to make women equal members of society. Putting them at an advantage is female supremacism. We don’t do that ’round these parts.”

    No actually feminism IS about female supremacy, title nine, hiring quotas, college enrollment quotas, I could go on and on.  This means you’re not actually earning your positions you’re using the government to force your way into positions you haven’t earned.  I do love women with common sense pointing out the hypocrisy of feminism and exposing it as a hate group:

    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2CA445914DD9091A

    I had it straight from gate sweetie

    “If we were against feminism, we would certainly have that in droves.”

    nah you have it now

    “No, people who harass, injure and kill racial and sexual minorities for being who they are are dangerous.”

    You’re a minority yet you’re over half the population lol…..you’re only a minority via law, by definition you’re not.

    “We just call a spade a spade.”

    comparing apples and oranges is not calling a spade a spade

    “I suppose we do represent a threat to that.”

    You’re far from a threat, the MRM rule the internet, you had your time on shows like Oprah and other male bashing regimes, but you can’t censor the internet, which is why the representation of MRM content far outweight that of feminist propaganda

    “You used “who’s” instead of “who” two quotes up, and you’re lecturing us on grammar?”

    Spoken by the same person who said “Viagra is for floppy-penis prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.” perhaps “necessary”?

  • ack

    I’ve ignored no arguments and put forth the claim that when it is passed that life is at conception you will no longer be allowed to murder unborn children

     

    Several people mentioned bodily autonomy, including the fact that the government can’t force you to donate any of your bodily resources against your will. Actual “personhood” for fetuses means that they get the same rights as born humans, which does not include hijacking someone’s body for nine months. If it does allow them to do so, it grants them rights that no born human has.

     

    You also never explained why you think pregnancy isn’t a medical condition, despite the looong list of effects I posted, as well as the other commenters who pointed out that women die from pregnancy and childbirth, and that contraception leads to healthier moms and babies.

     

    If it wasn’t your intention to ignore those arguments, feel free to explain your views.

     

    I never said Viagra should be covered while birth control shouldn’t. 

     

    So when Jennifer Starr brought up mandatory ultrasounds, and you insisted that they weren’t mandatory, I was supposed to be able to infer that you were only talking about transvaginal ultrasounds, which wasn’t her point at all. But when you said that birth control should be covered for medical conditions, and that ED is a medical condition, I wasn’t supposed to infer that you were advocating for coverage for prescriptions for medical conditions. It would be really helpful if you just said what you meant; this is an internet forum. So… are you in favor of insurance covering Viagra? If you’re not, cool. If you are, explain why a drug that makes non-procreative sex possible for men should be covered, but birth control pills for pregnancy prevention should not.

     

    You may also be interested to know that TX does, in fact, have a law mandating transvaginal ultrasounds. It passed last year, got tied up in the courts, and was placed into effect by the courts a few months ago:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/kristof-when-states-abuse-women.html

  • prochoiceferret

    No actually feminism IS about female supremacy, title nine, hiring quotas, college enrollment quotas, I could go on and on.

     

    I suppose that if you were completely blind to just how badly women are treated in this society (and many others), and only looked at public policy intended to help improve that situation, you might feel that way. Let me guess: You also feel that Blacks have it better than Whites, what with affirmative action and all?

     

    You’re a minority yet you’re over half the population lol…..you’re only a minority via law, by definition you’re not.

     

    Yes, women are only a minority in legislatures, in corporate boardrooms, in editorial newsrooms…

     

    comparing apples and oranges is not calling a spade a spade

     

    If comparing produce products makes us dangerous, then you’d better watch out for grandmas. They know how to squeeze melons, and they’re not afraid to do so!

     

    You’re far from a threat, the MRM rule the internet, you had your time on shows like Oprah and other male bashing regimes, but you can’t censor the internet, which is why the representation of MRM content far outweight that of feminist propaganda

     

    Yes, we know that the culture we live in is heavily sexist. You’re practically a walking, talking, flashing-neon-sign reminder of that!

     

    Spoken by the same person who said “Viagra is for floppy-penis prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.” perhaps “necessary”?

     

    Tell that to the person from whom I copied that quote before modifying it. But, yeah, that was a great line :-)

  • prochoiceferret

    Separation of church and state was in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danburry Baptist regarding a SPECIFIC STATE ENFORCED DENOMINATION. The first amendment protects the church from the government. Ever heard of the Church of England? It was the state putting their hands into and corrupting the church.

     

    And “transvaginal” has been brought up in countless blogs and news articles and such, so that should count at least as much as some guy’s letter-to-the-editor way back when.

  • jodi-jacobson

    In other words, in Virginia, to get an abortion at any stage of gestation, even at six weeks, you must undergo a forced ultrasound.  Period.

    If it were *voluntary* or better yet, a decision made on a case by case basis between a doctor and her patient, then why would the legislature have spent precious taxpayer dollars debating and passing a law? It is unequivocally mandatory and therefore forced.  Moreover, a doctor must keep all sorts of nonsensical records about what the woman did, saw, signed about this “voluntary” ultrasound. What is now “voluntary,” if you can call it that, is whether or not a woman seeking early termination of pregnancy undergoes an invasive trans-vaginal ultrasound, because in the early stages of pregnancy a “jelly on the belly” ultrasound is worthless.  If she doesn’t need and doesn’t want a TV, she MUST undergo an entirely useless abdominal procedure AND pay for it.

    Your confusion derives perhaps from not reading the law nor understanding the procedures, and from relying on google and the National Catholic Register for actual information and news.

  • rebellious-grrl

     BTW – Krazie316 – Delusional is pulling statistics out of the air, like you have. Can you back up the stats you quoted? Doubtful.

    You may choose to live in a fantasy world where your male privilege is threatened. It only shows your insecurity. Maybe this slide show will enlighten you. “What does patriarchy look like?” at http://www.slideshare.net/powerfortoday/what-does-patriarchy-look-like

     

     

  • rebellious-grrl

    You are a troll. Your posts are filled with lies, misogyny, and downright misleading information. You can’t back up any of the bullshit you have said. Enough troll. Why don’t you go play with your MRA friends.

  • purplemistydez

    No being a feminist is supporting women to be equal members of society and supporting women to make decisions about their own lives without government interference.  I know that pisses off men that don’t consider women people.  Yes being a misogynist is as bad as being a  racist and homophobe.   Fortunately those kind of views are a dying breed as society progress toward equality for women and other minorities.

  • hollandvhan

    “Tell that to the person from whom I copied that quote before modifying it. But, yeah, that was a great line :-)”

     

    actually you typed that out it wasn’t a quote.  What you actually quoted was this:

     

    “I said the ONLY thing birth control should be covered for is medically necessary events.  Anything other than that should be paid for by the women seeking it as the overwhelming use of birth control is for pregnancy prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.”

     

    and your response involved the typo “necesarry” from:

     

    So by the same token, the ONLY thing Viagra should be covered for is medically necessary events. Anything other than that should be paid for by the man seeking it as the overwhelming use of Viagra is for floppy-penis prevention, NOT medically necesarry reasons.

     

    Soo either you were too lazy to write your own comment and you copy/pasted someone else, or you’re simply trying to put it off on someone else

    That’s the only thing I felt like addressing because looking at the history of your posts and interactions with the others, you’re too brainwashed to waste time with.  Thinking women are treated badly in a society which praises them is a product of lunatic brainwashed feminazi rhetoric.

  • hollandvhan

    a troll is someone that doesn’t make an argument based on the topic at hand.  the only arguments I see are all based on the topic at hand.  You should go educate yourself on what a troll is and stop reciting feminist psycho babel.

    Anything disagreeing with your played out belief is misogyny to you mindless automatons.  The information that was initially posted by Krazie is factual information that any moron can research on the internet with cross references.

    Those facts are that Woman are over half the population and work force, control over 65% of western wealth  [Fortune Magazine], Women make more than 80% of all consumer purchasing decisions (http://she-conomy.com/report/marketing-to-women-quick-facts/), and hold enormous legislative influence (VAWA, you know that sexist law that upholds a double standard and protection for one sex).

    The other facts are the CDC reports women initiate over 70% of all non-reciprocal domestic violence and just about half of reciprocal domestic violence with women still slightly more.  (http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm) (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941)

    You’re groups is a hate group filled with lies, plain and simply and you refuse to acknowledge this simple truth because you’ve been spoon fed horse dung all your life.  Grow up and become a women like the majority of women which reject feminist hate-filled dogma.

  • hollandvhan

    He didn’t pull statistics out of thin air, in fact I JUST responded to you elsewhere giving the sources I’ll re-post if you’re too blind to see the post:

     

    Those facts are that Woman are over half the population and work force, control over 65% of western wealth  [Fortune Magazine], Women make more than 80% of all consumer purchasing decisions (http://she-conomy.com/report/marketing-to-women-quick-facts/), and hold enormous legislative influence (VAWA, you know that sexist law that upholds a double standard and protection for one sex).

    The other facts are the CDC reports women initiate over 70% of all non-reciprocal domestic violence and just about half of reciprocal domestic violence with women still slightly more.  (http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm) (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941)

    You’re groups is a hate group filled with lies, plain and simply and you refuse to acknowledge this simple truth because you’ve been spoon fed horse dung all your life.  Grow up and become a women like the majority of women which reject feminist hate-filled dogma.

  • ahunt
  • hollandvhan

    Your link does not debunk the links I posted, it merely adds women are 7-10 times more likely to bruise or be injured.  They STILL initiate over 70% of all nonreciprocal domestic violence and just slightly more than men on reciprocal violence, nice try…

  • ahunt

    Sigh…and yet, and yet…the foremost experts in the field disagree. 

     

    “One of the major critiques of the original CTS research, and it is one which Straus and Gelles largely concede, is the problem of sampling bias from various directions (the following is largely summarised from a post by Ampersand – link to cached article and refers to data from the USA):

    • The surveys were voluntary, and the most abusive individuals are unlikely to agree to complete such a survey in case they gave themselves away as serious abusers.
    • Their victims would be too terrorised to agree to complete such a survey in case their abusers found out.
    • The response rate in the original research incorrectly failed to include those people who refused to answer screening questions. When these people are re-included in the statistics, the response rate drops from 84% to around 60%, well within the accepted margin for sampling bias.
    • Straus and Gelles compiled information only about abuse within current, ongoing relationships. This has several sampling bias problems:
      • As noted above, current victims of abuse are understandably (and rationally) hesitant to be frank with interviewers due to fear of their abuser discovering their frankness, especially when the researchers made no effort to ensure that respondents were alone when they called to ask survey questions.
      • This methodology totally excludes violence which occurs after the end of a relationship, which accounts for 76% of all spousal assaults, and which is overwhelmingly committed by men, so thus discounts most of the most serious violence against women.”

     

    http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/index.html

  • beenthere72

    I recommend you sign up for email alerts from this blog:

     

    http://www.intimateviolencedeathnews.blogspot.com/

  • ahunt

    There’s no such bill, the ultrasound is VOLUNTARY not a requirement

     

    In what state?

  • ahunt

    We get it. Men are total victims.

     

    (Via Angry Black Lady)

     

    Which of course, explains why:

     

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/03/21/cathy-mcmorris-rodgers-thinks-democrats-are-scaring-women/

     

    Men, with a few supporters sporting ladybits…are promoting the following:

     

    • Republicans want to tax us if we choose to get an abortion.
    • Republicans are forcing doctors to flat-out lie to us about abortions increasing the risk of breast cancer.
    • Republicans are trying to force us to get permission from the man (Father? Rapist? Who cares!) before getting an abortion.
    • Republicans think we’re sluts for wanting insurance coverage for contraception—whether for birth control or otherwise—all the while demonstrating how utterly devoid of brain activity they are by suggesting that the doctor-recommended use for birth control is “a-pill-per-screw,” and that maybe we could pay for our ovarian cyst treatment if we’d just stop drinking so many fucking soy lattes.

    Republicans want us to lie back and take it.  They want us to just “close our eyes” while theshame us and guilt us and emotionally traumatize us and out us to the public for making a choice about our bodies that has absolutely fuck-all to do with them.  And they’re doing this under the guise of “education” and “life-affirmation”; attaching quaint and pithy names to horrific bills which violate our rights as humans.  Names like “Ultrasound Opportunity” or “Right to Know and See.”  Don’t worry.  It’s all about knowledge.

    Knowledge is power, you see, and frankly ladies, you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing.  You think you’re incubating baby iguanas in your wombs while storks slingshot babies through open windows in the dead of night.  No, no, silly one.  This here probe will give you all the knowledge about the birds and the bees that you need, and conveniently, since you’re pregnant in the first place, you’ve already consented to be vaginally probed by our metal knowledge stick. Hooray!

     

  • freetobe

    “You’re groups is a hate group filled with lies, plain and simply and you refuse to acknowledge this simple truth because you’ve been spoon fed horse dung all your life. Grow up and become a women like the majority of women which reject feminist hate-filled dogma.”

     

    Since the beggining of time men have controlled,beaten, killed, forced, raped, controlled, owned, etc controlled etc. women.

    Its no wonder women are so hateful of men I mean why should we kiss the feet of monsters who loathe and envy our sexual prowess?

    Now that would be stupid.

  • plume-assassine

    You will then be required to pay for your own murder of an unborn child

     

    Congratulations, Krazie316, you just gave yourself away with this incredibly glib statement!

     

    Let me explain.

     

    You don’t really believe that abortion is murder at all.

     

    How do I know this? Because if you REALLY, LOGICALLY believed that abortion = murder, then you would be in favor of imprisoning thousands of American women for committing the “crime” of abortion AKA “murder.” That’s 1 in 3 American women. Ask yourself, how many murderers do you know in your life? Your mother, sister, grandmother, daughter, friend, wife, girlfriend, etc. Is that what you want? If so, how would you differentiate between spontaneous abortion and induced abortion? Would miscarriage be considered negligent homicide or manslaughter? Would there be an investigative committee or tracking device on every pregnant woman, since at any time she could potentially “murder her unborn child”? I’m being totally serious here. If you are going to make hyperbolic statements about abortion, then be prepared to back it up.

     

    Oh, but then MAYBE you’ll say that you DON’T think that women who have abortions should be tried and imprisoned…maybe they’ve simply been “misled” by the “bad doctors” and the “evil abortion industry.” Or maybe “females” (MRA douchebag terminology) are just too stupid to know what they are really doing… (even though they knowingly and willingly sought out a doctor to terminate a pregnancy). But wait, would you make the same stupidity/victimhood excuse if you knew that thousands of American women were killing their 3 year old children? Would you still claim that they were tricked and victimized by others into committing the crime of murder? That women were too stupid to realize they were murdering their toddlers? No, of course not.

     

    Would you write so glibly about abortion– telling women to keep their legs closed; or implying that abortion is okay just as long as women pay for it out of pocket; or if it’s a result of rape, etc — if you REALLY thought abortion was equal to murdering an actual child? No, you would not. You would not even speak to someone you thought was guilty of the crime of murder.

     

    So obviously you don’t really believe your own BS that abortion is murder. It’s a facade, and a transparent one at that, utilized by many MRA dbags such as yourself. The only reason you pretend that non-sentient organisms are “children” is because it gives you a “moral” excuse to punish women for having non-procreative sex, when you do not apply any similar punishment to men. Truth is, people like you relish suffering in women and see forced pregnancy/forced birth as an excellent punitive sentence for “the sluts.” I know a lot of MRAs who take erotic joy out of the idea that women deserve to be punished in this way. By losing control of their bodily autonomy. Of course, many have female partners and thus claim not to be misogynists at all. “Look — I don’t hate women — I’m married to one!” Sorry, not a good excuse. I am sure that you sexually objectify, degrade, and patronize your partner like you do to all other women.

  • plume-assassine

    I can’t believe that there are people who came to this article just to comment: “lol no such thing as patriarchy!” and “women can be abusive partners too! check out these stats!”

    What are you trying to say? How is that relevant at all to the fact that some nutcase thinks that women should not be allowed to divorce violent/abusive husbands? Are you saying that you agree with Pridemore?

    Or are you saying that women should just take beatings because there are cases in which “she started it” or that it was “reciprocal”? I guess nobody has heard of victim blaming. And I guess you weren’t aware that women are more likely than men to sustain serious injuries or die from domestic violence…

  • mizzpesos

    Only if you’ll chop your penis off first, since you’re “misusing” it for recreational purposes, you male rights piece of shit.

  • maiac

    Most of what you’ve said on this page is lies or distortians (like the IPV stats you’ve quoted, which are based on the misuse of inapplicable research methods – a fact stated by the researchers who created the CTS). Well, except for the stuff that’s just misogyny.

    Resolution to self: After I make this comment, I will no longer feed you, Troll.

     

    But just a basic, very basic, fact check would show you that you are wrong about the Hyde Amendment.

    Hyde prevents any federal Medicaid dollars from being spent on abortion, except in cases of rape or incest or life or health endangerment. Most states have similar laws on the books (13 do not; those states spend some of their State Medicaid money on abortion). In fact, in many states with Hyde-like laws (like here in Texas), no such exceptions actually exist. Even women having abortions for these reasons have to pay for them by themselves, because there exists no actual mechanism to pay for the abortion, even when it’s medically necessary.

    Yes, Planned Parenthood recieved a significant portion of their revenue from government grants. However, Planned Parenthood is actually two separate organizations. PPFA, which runs their family-planning clinics & recieves federal (& usually state) Medicaid funds – and does NOT provide abortion services (although they will, like any quality doctor, provide referrals to abortion providers). PP Surgical Services – an entirely separate organization (separate bank accounts, separate staffs, etc.) – provides abortion services at a limited number of (physically and organizationally separate) clinics. NO FUNDING PASSES BACK & FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO. Ergo, no Medicaid money is spent on abortion.

    Republicans introduced the HR 3 because it makes them look anti-abortion without actually doing anything along with the bonus of  hating on Planned Parenthood (which anti-choicers should love since they prevent more abortions than anyone else). They are trying to appeal to the crazy-pants “base” (i.e. you).

    Regardless of all that, federal (and state) Medicaid money SHOULD be spent on abortion. Abortion is a part of the complete spectrum of reproductive health care. Legislators should not have the right to single out a medical procedure which they find objectionable and excerpt it from funding that is available for every other pregnancy-related service. FUND ABORTION NOW!!! http://tinyurl.com/bowl4teafund

     

  • ankhorite

    Krazie said, “You mean laws that protect the rights of the unborn as they have their own DNA.”

     

    So?  Let me know when they have their own life support systems.   Because now, it is MY decision whether i’m going to let them borrow mine for nine months.

    Krazie, in the U.S., a man cannot be forced to donate even something so small as one pint of blood for his actual post-born child, even if the child’s life depends upon it, and even though it wouldn’t involve forcing him to host the child inside of himself.  Yet you’re fine with laws forcing women to host fetuses they do not want?

  • ankhorite

    What a piggish remark.

     

    Birth control fails, rape happens, and whether a woman chooses to have sex, and with whom, and how often, and single or not, is none of your business, dude. 

     

    None of your business, now or ever.  Which apparently is part of what’s making you (to use your own spelling) krazie.

     

    I’m through feeding trolls for the day, so we’re done here.

  • ankhorite

    “exclusivist” is the word you want in lieu of “onlyist”  perhaps?  What’s “MRA”?

  • ankhorite

    Despite the title, the VAWA grants the same rights & protections to men as it does to women.

     

     

     

  • crowepps

    MRA = Men’s Rights Association

    I won’t provide a link, since the rank misogyny there doesn’t deserve additional eyes, but if you’re really curious, google the term.