• plume-assassine

    And, at the risk of sounding judgmental, the idea of watching a naked woman perform a sex act in the name of education seems a bit, well, juvenile.

    That was my impression, too. And, at the risk of sounding judgmental and juvenile myself, that kind of exhibition ~*~in the name of science~*~ seems like an excuse for a bunch of college students to have a sleazy circle jerk.


    http://www.stockroom.com/Fuck-Saw-P2931.aspx (NSFW) It’s for educational purposes, really guys! No, seriously!

    Hahaha, yeah, okay *roll eyes*

  • leorising

    …if only for the reason that some of the young male students might’ve had a chance to see what a woman looks like in the throes of a genuine orgasm, as opposed to the stilted and highly acted-out moaning one sees in most male-oriented porn. This professor could have done these guys’ next girlfriends a tremendous favor!

  • prochoiceferret

    the young male students might’ve had a chance to see what a woman looks like in the throes of a genuine orgasm, as opposed to the stilted and highly acted-out moaning one sees in most male-oriented porn.




    I don’t think the orgasm produced using an industrial-grade power tool with a dildo on the end exactly qualifies as what most people would like to think of as “genuine”…


    This professor could have done these guys’ next girlfriends a tremendous favor!


    Not this guy’s girlfriend!


    Charlie prepares to pleasure his lover.

  • blizno

    As I understand it, this was a course dealing with human sexuality. After the class was over for the day, an extra demonstration was announced and it was made clear that it would be sexually graphic.
    Only students who chose to witness the sexually graphic demonstration stayed.

    I’m having trouble understanding why there is any controversy about this. It was a demonstration of human sexuality during a class about human sexuality. Nobody was trapped into seeing it.

    All I can think is that the lingering Puritan hatred of human sexuality that poisoned the early North American colonies is still spreading the poisonous lie that having sex is bad; that witnessing happy, healthy sex is bad.
    This sick, corrosive attitude should have disappeared centuries ago.

    Sex is not bad. Sex is good. Two or more people having consensual, loving sex is a healthy, wonderful thing.

  • heather-corinna

    Cory Silverberg had some really fantastic — and IMO, spot-on — things to say about this here: http://sexuality.about.com/b/2011/03/03/thoughts-on-a-campus-dildo-controversy-sexuality-power-and-privilege.htm


    It also gives some background on Bailey that I think matters which some of us were already aware of, but which many people talking about this have not been.

  • ack

    That was a really good piece. I think Bailey fell into an egotistical trap when he declared that anyone who thinks that the demonstration was inappropriate isn’t sex-positive. It DOES silence people, when the sex pos movement should be about inclusion. It should be about respecting people’s experiences. And it MUST do more than simply acknowledge the existence of sexual violence and coercion.


    He’s a John Money wannabe. (Who was also an egotistical ass, so I guess he’s getting close to his goal.) My Human Sexulity professor was a student in one of his classes when he was showing fisting porn in the background of lectures to see how long it took for the students to become desensitized.

  • arekushieru

    I think you’re seriously underestimating cultural pressure put on people to act less like a prude (although that’s odd, because here you are using it, yourself).  And I think you are seriously underestimating the cultural pressures at play amongst the demonstrators themselves.  Kthxbai.

  • ack

    IMO, the professor lost his credibility as a sex positive person when he declared that anyone who thought the demonstration was inappropriate as prudish. Considering that it contained a live demonstration of a woman using a vibrator attached to a reciprocating saw, I say that is potentially harmful to people. He doesn’t get to decide what’s harmful to people. The person experiencing it gets to decide what’s harmful. That’s pretty much the basis of discussions about sexual violence. Anyone who was present and was uncomfortable has been effectively silenced for fear of being labeled as sexually regressive.


    The juxtaposition of sex and violence appears to have been lost on him.


    I completely agree that we need to have different conversations about sex in this country. I also think that the cornerstone of those conversations HAS to be respect. I don’t feel like his declarations were respectful, and he certainly could have handled it differently.


    Also, he’s apparently a TOTAL DOUCHE on trans issues. :(

  • socorro-sultan

    coming from a conservative culture, im definitely saying no for it. what’s the essence of showing  it to the public?

  • ack

    You can read his defense of the demonstration here, which offers some of his rationale:



    I find it interesting that he apparently didn’t KNOW about the demonstration until right before the panel. That piece gives me pause about the informed consent of the attendees. The fact that the toy was a “fucksaw” complicates that further.


    I’m pretty conflicted about it, to be honest. I think that a demonstration on female sexual arousal and ejacultion could certainly be educational, and that broader conversations about sex are ALWAYS good. I just also think that his responses labeling himself and his supporters as sex positive and everyone else as prudes shuts down dialogue.


    For instance, Socorro, he could have engaged people like you in a conversation about this and tried to get you to see his perspective. He could have acknowledged WHY people are responding with discomfort. I don’t think he did that.

  • sweetlysinging124

    I don’t see it as a truly academic pursuit because there wasn’t a male equivalent showing of physical arousal based on anal pentration.  A truly balanced course, and balanced discussion about sexual arousal, would address the physical, “scientific” intricacies of arousal in males as well as females.  I also don’t see why it was necessary for the woman to be naked, and I don’t see how anyone could have seriously learned anything from the distance between the performer and the audience as well as the fact that the interaction of the vibrator with the vaginal canal was not visible.

    This wasn’t sex-positive: it was sexist, objectifying to the woman.  I understand that the performer’s “friends” talked about the science of the g-spot, but what about the performer?  Understanding her views on sexuality and her own body, and why she is comfortable enough in that situation to actually orgasm, is extremely important.  Without that, it feels like this presentation sends the message that all women enjoy being penetrated, regardless of the person penetrating or the surrounding circumstances, you just have to hit the right spot.

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