Why Give Lila Rose’s Lies Mainstream Media Attention?


When Lila Rose started releasing yet another set of her “exposes” of Planned Parenthood, pro-choice activists could be excused for rolling their eyes.  Rose has been doing this for roughly forever, and it tends to go nowhere, because she uses deceptive editing and blatant lying, and there was no reason for us to believe it would be different this time.  And on that front, it wasn’t.  But what was different was that Rose coordinated her attack with a larger anti-choice push on accessible contraception and STD testing through Planned Parenthood.  And this time, the “abortion” cover story is barely being used—anti-choicers are really coming out of the closet on their opposition to anything that minimizes negative outcomes of sex for young and impoverished women, even if there’s no chance of a fetal life being terminated. Sure, there’s a formal mention of abortion in Mike Pence’s bill to deny funding to Planned Parenthood and other Title X providers, but it’s just a formality at this point.  Few are pretending this is about abortion, since none of that funding supports abortion, and most of it would actually prevent abortion.  Rose’s videos support this—there’s equal attention paid to scandalizing the audience with the revelation that young people have access to contraception and STD testing as there is to floating the scare term “abortion.”

When you have that kind of coordination, it doesn’t matter how deceptive or asinine Lila Rose’s “exposes” are.  Right wing media, especially Fox News, stays on-message, and the talking points this month are to say and do anything to smear Planned Parenthood, and by implication, smear sexually active women who lean on Planned Parenthood for their medical care.  So, even though Rose’s second video shows no wrongdoing whatsoever, it’s being pumped all over Fox News as if it did.  Sadly, gullible viewers probably do buy Fox News lying and suggesting young women don’t have a right to medical confidentiality or to appeal to the courts for safe abortions.  Nor were viewers properly informed that Planned Parenthood immediately turned in the potential sex traffickers, or that the employee in the first video flouted Planned Parenthood policy, which is evident from the video, and the employee telling the actors that most of the rest of the office should be avoided because they, you know, follow procedures and don’t break the law.  

There is, at this point, no reason for any mainstream media outlet to bite when Lila Rose or one of her comrades, most notably James O’Keefe, puts out a video claiming to say anything.  (And there was, thankfully, some skepticism from mainstream media sources, though not enough.)  O’Keefe is a known liar, as is Andrew Breitbart, who promoted the videos.  O’Keefe also has a history of virulent misogyny, most notably when he concocted a scheme to trap a reporter in a situation that seemed a lot like it was going to be a rape in order to humiliate her by showing her begging to be set free.  (Not sure why this would be humiliating for anyone but O’Keefe, but again, it just shows what a misogynist he is.)   O’Keefe helped Rose get her start, which just gives you a good idea of how this whole project of hers in grounded in misogyny, dirty tricks, and blatant lying. 

And sure enough, it didn’t take long for the evidence to come out that Live Action is doctoring footage, in this case to reinforce the already-bogus narrative that there’s something wrong with informing young people of their full legal rights.

But even without this, you can point to multiple ways that Rose’s videos are dishonest and therefore not fit for mainstream media news, which is supposed to be fact-based.   

The biggest lies in the videos are lies of omission.  Rose implies heavily in the videos that Planned Parenthood “cooperated” with alleged sex traffickers, but no where in the video does she mention that Planned Parenthood called the FBI and reported the supposed sex traffickers, usually as soon as they left.  This is a pretty big lie, since this fact proves that Planned Parenthood did the exact opposite of what Rose claims they did. You don’t call the cops on someone you’re “cooperating” with.  In a pathetic attempt to salvage this lie, Rose suggested that if they were really serious about stopping pimps, they would have usurped the police’s authority and detained the actors, something that is possibly illegal (interfering with an investigation) and, if the person in question really was a dangerous pimp, very dangerous.  No serious grown-up can buy this excuse for maintaining such a big lie. 

Then there’s lie of implying that the one employee they did catch doing something wrong is indicative of the entire organization of 11,000 employees. Omitting 11,000 employees who’ve done nothing wrong is a pretty big lie of omission.  Even the woman caught on tape couldn’t omit such a huge chunk of people, as noted before, and she complains about them and how they actually do their jobs properly.

Then there’s the lie of implication.  The videos, especially after the first one, only work to scandalize if you believe that young people don’t have rights.  If you believe, incorrectly, that a minor can’t get contraception, STD testing, or accurate information about your legal rights without parental notification, maybe these videos would scandalize you.  Rose and Fox News go out of their way to imply that the offers of non-abortion reproductive care to minors are somehow outside the law. The reality is that these are the rights of young people.  That many conservatives don’t believe that young people should have human rights doesn’t mean that those rights don’t exist.

When will we stop letting a handful of dishonest sadists capture so much of the media’s attention in their quest to shut down basic, necessary services to some of the most vulnerable people in our society?  There’s a lot of real news going on now, and all the time, and that deserves our attention instead of these side shows based on lies and paranoia.

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  • beenthere72

    I googled to find out her upbringing and see that she was home schooled, one of 8 kids,  and the inspiration for her ‘activism’ is this book:

     

    Handbook on Abortion by Dr. and Mrs. J.C. Willke

     

    Appears to be a bible of sorts to the forced-birth movement.

     

    Also this in her bio:

     

    “UCLA doesn’t support women who are pregnant,” I was told by the head nurse at my campus student health center in the fall of 2006, when I posed as a pregnant student seeking pregnancy counseling. She instead gave me information about two local abortionists to contact. Evidently, on my own campus, vulnerable, pregnant girls my age were being hustled off to the abortion mills, with no other choice offered. After such startling discoveries at the campus health center, James and I were eager to expose the abortion giant–Planned Parenthood.

     

    I would think the *logical* goal after that experience is to seek to improve support for pregnant women on college campuses.    Her only goals are to expose what little she can.   Nothing she is doing is actually helping women have babies.    She’s a paid fraud and a disgrace to women.

     

    And every time I read her suggestion that abortions should be performed in public squares, my skin crawls.  I picture her treating them like Salem witch trials.  The degree to which she wants to punish women is completely abhorrent.   

  • amanda-marcotte

    She is notoriously dishonest, I wouldn’t be surprised if she said she wanted an abortion, and then got all offended when the woman referred her for an abortion. In fact, I would bet a lot of money that’s what happened. Rose clearly would expect the nurse to try to talk someone out of an abortion, but normal, reasonable, honest people don’t have that expectation.

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  • goatini

    of RICO whoop-@ss, courtesy of Atty General Holder.  

    Signed,

    norcalhunky

  • beenthere72

    “abortoholics” – wow, that’s a new one.  crafty, notsohunky.

     

    What are you expecting this staffer to do at that moment?   If you had a pimp in front of you telling you (very politely, I might add) that he has young girls working for him – somewhere else – that have STDs or need pregnancy assistance of any kind, do you scream police right in front of him?     Are you that stupid?    I fail to understand what you people expect this staffer to do, right then and there while Lila’s got the camera rolling.  

     

    I see from the comments to this new video that someone is trying *really* hard to make something out of nothing …

     

    She states that girls as young as 13 can come in on their own to get treatment.

    So?   What if she has abusive parents?   Doesn’t she have the right to seek treatment for STDs or birth control for herself?

    A practitioner also appears on this film, explaining that language and immigration status  is no barrier to obtaining “insurance”  (public funding)  for  treatment.

    You want a bunch of people – even if they’re immigrants – running around on our streets – especially as sex workers – with STDs?   

     

    PP followed procedure and reported these incidents.   To bring up the public funding issue is especially trying hard to goat right-wingers that ‘something awful is going on here’: OOOOH your taxes are helping to treat immigrants with STDs or supply them with birth control (ahem… so maybe they don’t have those anchor babies you bitch about also) – when it’s NOT.

     

    On liveaction’s website, it says with this video:

    Live Action has previously released more than a dozen hidden camera videos from ten states. This body of visual evidence shows several alarming patterns of illegal Planned Parenthood activities including cover-up of sexual abuse of minors,

     

    False.   It was reported to the authorities per procedure; there is no coverup.   One employee was fired for not being professional, besides that, there is nothing alarming about these videos.  

     

    the skirting of parental consent laws,

    False.  There are legal ways around parental consent.  LEGAL.  And they stated a such.

    citing unscientific and fabricated medical information to manipulate women to have abortions,

    I have not seen any evidence of this in these videos.  

    and Planned Parenthood’s willingness to accept donations earmarked to abort African-American babies.

    They said nothing of the sort about ‘ear-marking’ said donation.   I think the reaction was more like ‘uh huh, whatever you say buddy, we’ll take your money’ and I suspect many organizations are like that.  

     

    Lila is doing nothing to help anybody.    Can you name ONE person that she has HELPED with all her pranks?

     

    Edit:  I could probably name THOUSANDS of people that PP has helped.

     

     

  • ldan

     

    Lila is doing nothing to help anybody.    Can you name ONE person that she has HELPED with all her pranks?

    Not to mention, how many are hurt when her pranks result in smearing PP to the extent that people are sending death threats and to the extent that it builds support for removing funding? Funding that provides a *lot* of people with their STI testing, basic reproductive health screening, prenatal care, etc.

     

    All of that because some idiots somehow think it’s illegal or immoral to provide underage girls with health care…in the abstract no less, since there were no underage girls standing there. Is it wrong to tell an adult asking hypotheticals about what to do with a kid who has broken bones and skull injuries how the emergency room works just because they’re asking about injuries that might be red flags for child abuse?

     

    The stupid out there this week is just infuriating.

     

  • beenthere72

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102080040

     

    Even her voice is annoying. 

  • plume-assassine

    I would think the *logical* goal after that experience is to seek to improve support for pregnant women on college campuses.    Her only goals are to expose what little she can.   Nothing she is doing is actually helping women have babies.    She’s a paid fraud and a disgrace to women.

    My thoughts exactly. Lila is completely illogical. She sees a lack of support for women on campus who want to become mothers… and her first thought is to blame Planned Parenthood – an organization that helps women and mothers - and not blame her school?? It’s ridiculous.

     

    At my school, we have a “Pregnancy and Parenting Resource Initiative” (PPRI) which helps students who want to stay pregnant, as well as students who are already parents. I think it was started after the university daycare lost funding. PPRI is supported both by the feminist group on campus as well as the “Students for Life” group. Setting up such an initiative is the logical thing to do and is a win-win.

  • beenthere72

    It’s apparent that UCLA has excellent facilities for both childcare and healthcare (and she’s so fresh out of college that I’m sure they were available when she was there) so I think you’re analysis is spot-on! 

  • rebellious-grrl

    These videos are so silly. I can’t believe Live Action thinks this is journalism. Pseudo-journalism yes, but not anything worthy of believing as fact, or having any credibility. It just makes my head spin.

    abortoholics” Could be a good name for a punk grrrl band? ;)

  • rebellious-grrl

    I think the forced-birthers are confused with confidentiality laws and what they perceive to be “covering up for sexual slavery.” Medical professionals who have access to medical records are bound by federal law, The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), “The HIPAA Privacy Rule provides federal protections for personal health information held by covered entities and gives patients an array of rights with respect to that information.” Medical professionals are required to inform their patients of their rights under HIPAA, meaning their right to privacy. If they do not do this they are negligible.

  • rebellious-grrl

    Kind of like the sound of fingernails scraping a chalkboard.

  • mar61

    The videos will all be looked at by law enforcement, and if no laws have been broken, they won’t  be a huge problem for PPFA. If laws have been broken then there will be serious consequences. I also don’t think that the workers at PPFA should neccessarily confront a pimp who may be dangerous, but they should have called 911 as soon as he left the building to report him as a criminal. Or, distract him while someone in another room called 911. The police could have caught up to him. In the videos it seems all PPFA was concerned about was getting any one’s business they can, any way they can, regardless of the children, and that is bad PR.

  • ldan

    You do *not* call 911 unless you have an actual emergency on your hands. Your report this stuff through non-emergency channels so that actual emergencies can be dealt with.

     

    What do you think the police could do if they walked up to PP and picked him up as he walked out the door? He’s admitted to wrongdoing verbally to someone in a position where HIPAA requires confidentiality (meaning they can’t simply hand over records to the first person in the door with a badge). Unless they’ve already gotten an address from him (assuming he gave a real one), they’ve got zero actual information that is going to help the women he admitted to exploiting. In the movies, maybe they can show up and follow him to his secret pimp lair and save the day. In real life, the police don’t like you trying to do their job for them.

  • arekushieru

    Who’s ‘killing babies’?  Oh, yeah, that’s right.  Those people who want to deny health care to single/unwed, minority, lower-class and/or underprivileged mothers.  Which tends NOT to be the ProChoice contingent.  Who reduces the rates of abortion?  Oh, yeah, those people who advocate for effective and free birth control, comprehensive sex-ed, etc….  Which tends NOT to be the ProLife contingent.  

    You just can’t brook the harsh reality of a world that actually considers women people.  It would smash to smithereens the false utopia that has sheltered you your whole life.

    The one’s with their hands up the birth canal are the forced-birthers.  Y’know, the ones that make it their business to control what a woman does with her body, while making sure everybody else stays out of their business, controlling what they do with their bodies.  How hypocritical.  How sad. 

  • prochoicekatie

    As I’m sure you’ve seen, PP is dedicated to protecting the welfare of minors and has indicated that all employees with patient contact will go over mandatory reporting requirements (even though these weren’t broken, even in New Jersey).

    However, as L-dan has importantly pointed out, PP employees should actually be trained in martial arts and spy tactics, so that they can switch from their scrubs to their black leather catsuits and follow potential wrongdoers back to their “pimp” lairs.

    P.S. No one has ever come into a PP before and said they pimp out anyone, let alone non-English speaking, foreign immigrant, 13 year old girls. But if we had the special training, maybe we could have apprehended this guy and Lila and dragged them off to jail to hang out with their friend James.

     

  • mar61

    Calling 911 about a  man who has admitted he is committing crimes against children and is about to commit more is entirely proper. And, if the police apprehended him they certainly have ways of getting information from him.  His personal health history has nothing to do with the crimes against children, so his HIPAA status is irrelevant.

  • prochoicekatie

    Actually, 911 would still be innappropriate. You should call the police,  yes, but not 911. 911 is for active emergencies. Period. Also, the eminent danger claim you’re making is shaky at best.

    And PP may not have known this man’s full name or address.

    And HIPAA doesn’t protect the information from being shared, period, but it does change the procedure for sharing said information. Any health care provider would be remiss for not requesting a court order before disclosing the majority of the conversation that took place.

    PP did report to authorities, so the fact that they didn’t go all SHAFT on his ass may disappoint you, but it is in fact the law.

  • ldan

    Even if they did have his name and address (and he gave his real ones), that *is* the type of personal information they can’t just hand out to anyone with a badge who walks in the front door and asks for it.

     

    I’m kind of curious what the Live Action actors’ responses would have been if the police had been called and led them away in handcuffs (because…newsflash…showing them the hidden camera and ID would in no way have been likely to dissuade an arrest if merely making comments about pimping underage kids were considered cause for one).

     

    There was zero reason for a claim of eminent danger. The cops can’t arrest someone for asking their doctor how they would go about getting treatment for their kids’ head injuries and burns, even if that sounds suspiciously child-abusish. The doctor can trigger an investigation, not an immediate arrest. Even most stories that I’ve seen with a kid in the emergency room with suspicious injuries ends up with the kid and parents separated and an investigation started…not an arrest until said investigation gets some better data.

  • suburbangrrrl

    As Amanda points out, the reality is that LiveAction accomplished what they set out to do:  a smear campaign. PP had to go on the defensive. Conservatives are going to believe the crap and Republicans are slamming through their legislation to destroy PP and TItle X.  We can scoff all we want about LiveAction’s video and respond point by point, rationally. But we lose that way. Liberals always lose when they go after right-wingers with rational tactics.

    I’m don’t have an ounce of political strategism in me?  Can we get out in front on this?  

    I also wonder what the laws for concealed videotaping are in the states where LiveAction went.

    I’m depressed and don’t know how we work against this.

     

  • ldan

    Sadly, it’s easier to do stupid video stings than to hunt for people to put on videos saying “PP’s prenatal care saved my life/mad sure my baby was healthy.” And that’s the *most* photogenic portion of their work.

     

    Finding ways to make “I got my STI treated at PP.” sound sympathetic and important is not easy, particularly given the stigma around everything to do with sex.

     

    Basically, once again, it’s hard to pretty something up to play well to the crowd with the privilige. And it’s frustrating as hell that it’s necessary to make it ‘pretty’ in order to enlist the sympathy and attention of that crowd. Hell, we can’t even convince a majority that basic health care should be supplied to everyone. Convincing them that basic reproductive health care is important? Gah.

  • rebellious-grrl

    HIPAA and other laws guaranteeing our privacy are not irrelevant. I brought up HIPPA because the PP staff on tape explained confidentiality laws regarding medical records. They were following the law, not cooperating with the *pimp/prostitute.* Informing potential patients about confidentiality laws is not illegal. Did PP obtain any written information or signed medical authorization documents (forms) from the *pimp/prostitute*? No. PP did nothing illegal.

    Really, think about it. If PP didn’t obtain written information (or signed document etc. to perform a medical procedure or test) from the *pimp/prostitute* they had no evidence to call 911 for an emergency and scream into the phone, “Hey there’s a pimp and prostitute here at PP, and you need to get here ASAP and arrest them.” Let’s say the cops show up. They question the *pimp/prostitute* and arrest them for prostitution and a sex ring operation. Do you think there would be a sliver of evidence to charge them? No. They have nothing in writing no evidence other than the word of PP staff. PP staff did the right thing by reporting this to law enforcement to investigate. PP staff told the pair to make an appointment. If they would have come in for a medical appointment PP staff would have signed legal documentation by the pair in which the police/FBI could use to prosecute them for sex trafficking.

    Rose implies heavily in the videos that Planned Parenthood “cooperated” with alleged sex traffickers, but no where in the video does she mention that Planned Parenthood called the FBI and reported the supposed sex traffickers, usually as soon as they left.  This is a pretty big lie, since this fact proves that Planned Parenthood did the exact opposite of what Rose claims they did. You don’t call the cops on someone you’re “cooperating” with.

  • ack

    Let’s work to help underage girls trapped in a life of sexual slavery and prostitution, not cover up for the perps.

     

    How, exactly, does a stunt like this do that? From my point of view, all it did was waste resources that could have been used going after real traffickers.

     

    And I don’t know about you, but if I suspect trafficking, I don’t make a citizens arrest. I don’t call the cops in front of the guy, because TRAFFICKERS ARE DANGEROUS. Vice officers in major cities take major precautions so pimps don’t learn their identities, and that’s not just so they can continue trying to rescue minors. It’s because TRAFFICKERS ARE DANGEROUS.

     

    Human trafficking isn’t a joke. This whole episode is absolutely disgusting, and I find it deplorable that Live Action would use this issue to attempt to prove a point.

     

    They’d be much better off using their resources to help organizations who help prostituted people. So yes, let’s work to help people trapped in sexual slavery. Tell that to Live Action.

  • ldan

    And now episodes of an action-adventure reproductive health procedural are running in my head.

     

    It’s…pretty ridiculous looking, but it would probably be a YouTube hit. :p

  • prochoicekatie

    Writing the script already.

  • mar61

    When someone verbally admits to committing crimes, that IS considered strong evidence, and should be immediately reported to the police. It has nothing to do with PP not having written evidence, they don’t need to have anything in writing. The police can take it from there and apprehend the man, and do their job as far as investigating.

    Rose says that PP did not contact the FBI until long after the clinic visits were made, and only after PP became suspicious that it might have actually been a set up.

  • colleen

    Rose says that PP did not contact the FBI until long after the clinic visits were made, and only after PP became suspicious that it might have actually been a set up.

    And she knows this exactly….how?

    I swear, you people will believe anything

  • progo35

    If PP hadn’t done/said the thigns indicated on the tapes, than there would be no story to write about.

  • plume-assassine

    Rose says that PP did not contact the FBI until long after the clinic visits were made, and only after PP became suspicious that it might have actually been a set up.

    Nope. I’m almost positive that Planned Parenthood notified the FBI within the same week that Live Action was trolling the clinics.

     

    Also, I’m curious, what has Lila Rose done lately to HELP people? What exactly has she done to help victims of sex trafficking… y’know, as in, not using a victimized group of people as a front for her pranks?

  • arekushieru

    Umm, which is why she had to doctor the tapes?  Kthxbai.

  • arekushieru

    Besides, mar61, if you had actually read what was written, here, you would have realized that she hit organizations across several different states.  That’s a crime that has to be handled by FEDERAL enforcement, NOT local police.  Thanks.

  • mar61

    Obviously, if someone is aware of a crime in one’s vicinity, the immediate thing to do is to contact local police. The worker at PP had no way to know at the time that the pimp was active in other states, or that it was even the same pimp. Later on if that information becomes available  federal authorities  should be contacted and then coordinate with local authorities. 

  • crowepps

    Oh, please — victims of exploitation have a right to privacy — the last thing they need is Lila Rose setting up video abushes that invade their lives so she can continue her Palinesque quest to be ‘famous’ –

  • arekushieru

    Actually, they did.  Or, didn’t you read the part where they said they had warnings of these operations WELL in advance?

  • mar61

    LOL you are saying keep victims of sex trafficking under cover, so it can never be discovered, and they can just remain victims of sex traffickers forever – the same attitude of PPFA.

  • mar61

    No, they did not – None of the PP workers who appear on the videos had any idea that it might be a sting. If they did, their actions would have been far more careful, and different, and there would be no news story now.

  • rebellious-grrl

    Do you think stuff like this happens every day at PP? No.

    Do you think it’s a regular occurrence that a pimp brings in his underage prostitute(s) to PP? No.

     

    I’m sure the staff at PP thought this was a little strange and out of the ordinary. PP was clued in that Lila Rose and company were out to get them by attempting a stupid faux documentary sting. Lila Rose failed big time! She has proved nothing except she is a giant hack.

  • arekushieru

    If they HAD been far more careful and different, then, in the possible event that this WAS true, they would have failed at any chance of saving the young girls that this sex trafficker had come in to represent.  

    And, either way, as rg said, this was a little bit unusual, so it doesn’t matter if they were or weren’t aware that it might or might not be a sting.  

  • mar61

    Actually Lila Rose has succeeded in years past in causing the defunding of PP in various counties in the US, because of PP not reporting statutory rape time and time again (despite Federal law that requires this reporting) This time it looks like there might be even more defunding happening as a result of her investigation.

     

    As far as it being unusual for underage girls to be sexually abused by much older men,  judging by the response of the workers there at PP, it didn’t seem at all unusual to them.  And that was in 6 different cities. 

  • arekushieru

    Um, way to go.  Misrepresent and totally misinterpret what she said.  She SAID it was unusual for sex-traffickers (which is NOT synonymous with underage girls being abused by much older men, because, hello, older men can abuse underage girls and NOT be sex-traffickers, btw) to approach workers at PP to figure out how to go about acquiring the service of an abortion provider.

     And, secondly, that part has already been addressed.  

    As for your first paragraph: Proof, please.  

     

  • rebellious-grrl

    It just seems weird that a “pimp” would bring one of “his girls” in with him to get info. Wouldn’t a “smart” pimp look it up online or call? It just seams weird that a *pimp* would show up and say “Hey me and my *ho* want info on STDs and like that. Are you cool with that?” It seems like if someone was actually engaged in criminal activity like…let’s say, *sex trafficking,* they wouldn’t make a stop at PP and advertise it. Every time I watch the video keep thinking are these two for real? It just seemed strange and unrealistic to me.

  • mar61

    None of the workers in the 6 different videos even batted and eyelash when told that he was a pimp with 14 year old sex workers.( though they did go out of their way to help him learn all the ropes for getting his girls back to work in a timely way) Not even the slightest hint of surprise and certainly no shock or disgust. Obviously it was not considered all that unusual.

     

    You can check on Lila Rose’s website, there are links to news stories since 2009 stating that PP lost funding in Orange County CA, Tennesee and Alabama, and most recently Gov. Christie has vetoed PP funding in NJ (because of Rose’s undercover investigations)

  • squirrely-girl

    … now your issue is their facial reactions? Seriously? :/

  • prochoiceferret

    None of the workers in the 6 different videos even batted and eyelash when told that he was a pimp with 14 year old sex workers.( though they did go out of their way to help him learn all the ropes for getting his girls back to work in a timely way)

     

    How dare they offer information that may lead to trafficking victims receiving health care?!? The nerve!

     

    Not even the slightest hint of surprise and certainly no shock or disgust. Obviously it was not considered all that unusual.

     

    How dare professionals act in a professional manner?!? They should learn from those conscientious pharmacists that refuse to do their job, and get all up in the woman’s sexual sluttiness!

     

    You can check on Lila Rose’s website, there are links to news stories since 2009 stating that PP lost funding in Orange County CA, Tennesee and Alabama, and most recently Gov. Christie has vetoed PP funding in NJ (because of Rose’s undercover investigations)

     

    Hey, when you’re gung-ho on shutting down women’s health providers, even the flimsiest of excuses will do. (Isn’t that right, Mr. Kline?)

  • mar61

    Absolutely. It is normal to be upset, shocked and disgusted about crime, especially at crimes against children… I guess unless you are PP, or on RH Reality Check. Not even the slightest hint of that there.

     

    One would certainly expect that in 6 different videos from 6 different cities, yes, there would be someone there who displayed at least a hint of a normal reaction to a heinous crime.  To do otherwise is not called “professional”, it is called callous.

     

  • squirrely-girl

    It is normal to be upset, shocked and disgusted about crime, especially at crimes against children…

    That’s a rather interesting perspective. Because I personally watched the douchebag sponsor of Ohio’s “Heartbeat Bill” roll his eyes, shuffle his papers loudly, and make “huh rumph” noises while RAPE survivors (one of them a high school student) shared their stories in support of the CARE act last spring. 

     

     

     

  • ldan

    In the not-so-distant past, I earned some extra cash as a ‘simulated patient’ for med. students. We had scripts, things that were set as part of ‘our’ history, things we could ad-lib, etc. We were not only trained to give them a reasonable facsimile of what to expect their patients to act like, but to observe and offer feedback to the students about how they came across, how their reactions affected the information their patients were likely to be willing to share. Someone being squirmy or disapproving while gathering a sexual history wasn’t going to get very good marks.

     

    I don’t know that all medical personell get training as intensive as what I was involved in, but it has been obvious in my interactions with healthcare workers and friends in the field that they all get at least some training letting them know that their job requires  them to be professional and avoid letting their personal reactions to clients  color their interactions. Doctors spend a lot of time trying to move patients into healthier directions without judgment, and to get all of the information they need about things affecting their health.

     

    For what it’s worth, there’s a lot of uncomfortable body language in some of those videos–crossed arms, fidgits, and subtle distancing from the actors. They were not 100% all cool with what they were hearing (whether that’s because they suspected they were getting a line of bullshit or because they bought the actors’ lines and were unhappy about the situation, I can’t tell that without mindreading.)

     

    You’re grasping at something that just isn’t there. These workers did not aid a pimp in exploiting trafficked girls, no matter how much you want to spin it that way. They did not act incorrectly in giving factual information (that, had the situation been what it appeared, might have seen some exploited girls getting health care and into a system where they could get some help, for goodness sake).

  • mar61

    There is a big difference between not being “squirmy” when listening to someone’s personal sexual history, and not reacting when confronted with someone telling you he is a heinous criminal who victimizes children.  Any doctor I know, if confronted with someone in his office, telling him he was a sex trafficker of junior high girls, would not have behaved at all the way the PP workers behaved.  

    You keep insisting that the workers did not aid the pimp, it seems obvious to me that they did, going out of their way to give him extra info that would only help him game the system, and not calling police as soon as he left so that they could track him down. But, in the end, it’s not what I say or what you say that will determine what the legal ramifications will be as a result of those videos – it is whatever the end result of the legal investigations that are being held, and the final decision is up to legal authorities and the courts.  And also the court of public opinion.

  • ldan

    So it’s up to the courts, not what we say, except that it’s also up to the court of public opinion, which is all about what we say? Make up your mind.

     

    And no, there is not a difference between someone getting squirmy listening to a patient in any circumstance and what happened here. Do you think doctors jump up, leave the room, and dial the cops when a patient tells them about illegal drug use? Do you think it’s professional for them to make frowny faces at such patients and shake a finger in their face? If this were the standard of care, how many doctors would hear about their patients’ drug use, alchohol abuse, etc. to a. steer them away from unhealthy addictions and b. make sure their prescriptions and so forth weren’t adding to the problem? Do you think doctors *don’t* hear about things that are heinous and criminal?

     

    I’ll be interested in what the legal results end up being. But we all know that this crap was directly related to that court of public opinion, and edited so as to make sure of who was indicted there.

  • colleen

    It is normal to be upset, shocked and disgusted about crime, especially at crimes against children… I guess unless you are PP, or on RH Reality Check. Not even the slightest hint of that there.

    This is a particularly ugly charge, particularly coming, as it does, from a representative of the ‘pro-life’ movement. The employees at Planned Parenthood did not rape children and they did not enable and cover up the rape of children. They did not threaten the victims and families of abuse victims either.

    These people and their institution did all of these things and a good deal more. They are STILL doing these things.  They  belong in jail at LEAST as much as a pimp. So, if it’s “normal” to be upset, shocked or disgusted by crimes against children I daresay that most people in the ‘pro-life’ movement aren’t  “normal”..   Just read the  comments following that link. The ‘faithful’ are either in denial or foaming in rage at anyone who suggests that there is something wrong when men who consider themselves above the law  use that ‘moral authority” to rape children, disrespect DNR orders and kill women whose bodies cannot sustain a pregnancy

    You folks all need to look in the mirror and a bit closer to home.

  • arekushieru

    You still can’t grasp the fact that even the slightest hint of condemnation or uncertainty may have either: a) caused a sex-trafficker to pull away and leave the building, b) caused a sex-trafficker to attempt to ACTually exploit the situation (or, as you put it, to ‘game the system’) or c) caused a sex-trafficker to become aggressive and escalate the situation; eh?  

    Anyways, either there isn’t much communication going on between each individual PP (something each individual clinic would be aware of, in that case), which means it’s an excellent way for sex-traffickers to slip under the radar, so to speak, by reducing the number of girls they supposedly have under their ‘care’ by directing them to different clinics, esPECially ones in different states (which wouldn’t be difficult for someone in the business of sex-trafficking, I would imagine, since it IS the business of moving and selling ‘stock’) OR there is a lot of communication going on between each clinic and they knew ahead of time what was coming down the tube.  

  • mar61

    You don’t seem to comprehend the difference here – telling a doctor about one’s own choice of personal illegal drug use is quite different than telling a doctor you are holding junior high age girls captive and subjecting them to what amounts to daily and frequent rape, in order to make money. How can you compare personal drug use by choice with holding children victims of slavery? Any doctor I know would not sit by and idly listen to that, and give extra tips to the criminal. Doctors hear about drug use and personal sexual history all the time, they don’t normally hear someone tell them that they have child captive victims who are experiencing heinous assault every day. Any doctor I know would do something, and fast, to try to stop the criminal from further victimizing the children. They wouldn’t wait weeks after the incident, as Planned Parenthood did, and then file a routine report.

    As far as the court of public opinion, that can affect government funding of Planned Parenthood in the future, as we have already seen it has done in the past with votes against funding.. It also affects people’s willingness or non-willingness to allow Planned Parenthood facilities in their communities. If Planned Parenthood did everything right, as you say, why did they announce that they are immediately re-training thousands of employees all over the US? Surely not because of just a single employee in New Jersey.

  • arekushieru

    If you really think that was her intent, I wonder what Kool-Aid YOU’VE been drinking?

  • arekushieru

    This was all theoretical.  The guy didn’t actually state, categorically, that he was trafficking young girls in the sex-industry.  Going to the police with that kind of information, without anything in writing, as has been stated numerous times, would have just wasted time, money and resources.  Besides, you seem to change your focus as constantly as you prove your lack of reading comprehension.  More specifically, from contacting the appropriate legal authorities, to complaining when a medical professional DOESn’t act as the other.  

    If Planned Parenthood did everything right, as you say, why did they announce that they are immediately re-training thousands of employees all over the US? Surely not because of just a single employee in New Jersey.

    Why not, it HAS been done many times before, many times, I’m sure, that you’ve failed to note it, yourself, since it wasn’t committing anything you decreed ‘immoral’.

  • ldan

    I’m not the one with a comprehension problem.

     

    You are the one who brought up the lack of immediate outraged horror on the part of PP employees and found it shocking. If you’ve been trained to hide your personal response, whatever it might be, then no, this is not at all shocking. You don’t simply turn that on and off, even moreso when facing someone who has just admitted to being a dangerous criminal. I am telling you why the body language and verbal tones used there were hardly an indication that the employees though everything was hunky-dory. You are the one trying to read more into that response than is warranted.

     

    The workers reported the very odd visits. One followed the actors outside to try getting a license plate number. This is appropriate. No, a doctor who suspects a parent of abusing their kids, based on something that parent says, usually won’t be able to have them arrested right there in the office. They’ll be able to have CPS investigate.

     

    Let’s see…that court of public opinion holds power to affect PP in fairly substantial ways, and you wonder why they would announce training after these videos that have affected said public opinion…regardless of whether or not it’s actually needed?

  • mar61

    I’m sorry but you are really off base. Did you even watch the videos? It was not theoretical at all! He said he has sex workers that he manages, some of whom are only 13 or 14 years old. He explicity stated that he is a sex trafiicker of children. You can’t get any more explicit than that.

    I also stated over and over that if PP called the police immediately when he left their building and gave a description of him, the police would have had a good chance of catching up to him. Particularly if they got the make of his car and license plate. People get caught by the police every day with that kind of info. They didn’t need a thing in writing. Yet you make the ridicuolous statement over and over that calling the police ” would have been a waste of time, money and resources, and they had no evidence” A VERBAL ADMISSION OF A CRIME IS CONSIDERED EVIDENCE SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT CONTACTING THE POLICE. 

     

     One worker at one of the 6 PP clinics did get a license plate number but didn’t report it until weeks later. 

    Planned Parenthood said they are re-training all of their workers IN RESPONSE to   Lila Rose’s videos. If they did everything correctly as you say, they would have no need to do that in response to these videos. 

     

    PP also said, from now on, after this retraining, they will immediately fire any one who does not follow the “new” rules. They are changing their rules because they know they are in the wrong and have gotten caught. 

    As far as my reading comprehension, I am ivy league educated and scored an 800 on my critical reading SAT. As far as me changing my focus, there are a number of issues here, if you can follow more than just a single thought.  Perhaps you should consider a bit more practice with regard to your own skills in the areas of reading comprehension and critcal thinking.

  • arekushieru

    Planned Parenthood said they are re-training all of their workers IN RESPONSE to   Lila Rose’s videos. If they did everything correctly as you say, they would have no need to do that in response to these videos.

    Seriously, stop changing the goal posts.  You SAID it was in response to one PP employee’s firing.  NOW you say it was in response to Lila Rose’s videos ‘because they did everything correctly as you say (when I never DID say such a thing)’?  Seriously.

    I also stated over and over that if PP called the police immediately when he left their building and gave a description of him, the police would have had a good chance of catching up to him. Particularly if they got the make of his car and license plate. People get caught by the police every day with that kind of info. They didn’t need a thing in writing. Yet you make the ridicuolous statement over and over that calling the police ” would have been a waste of time, money and resources, and they had no evidence” A VERBAL ADMISSION OF A CRIME IS CONSIDERED EVIDENCE SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT CONTACTING THE POLICE.

    Proof, please.  Besides, you are talking about something comPLETEly different, again.  Neither I nor anyone else ever said it wasn’t considered sufficient evidence to warrant contacting the police.  We’ve SAID, over and over, that a verbal admission of a crime made to a third party, isn’t sufficient evidence to charge, arrest or conVICT a person.

    As far as my reading comprehension, I am ivy league educated and scored an 800 on my critical reading SAT. As far as me changing my focus, there are a number of issues here, if you can follow more than just a single thought.  Perhaps you should consider a bit more practice with regard to your own skills in the areas of reading comprehension and critcal thinking. 

    Ivy League and SAT status?  Irrelevant.  You are changing your focus in a very contradictory manner, which is what I was ACTually discussing. More proof of lack of reading comprehension…?  I certainly think so.

  • goatini

    but that would make me look like a complete idiot out of touch with reality, much like Al Bundy and his constant reliving of his four touchdowns for Polk High.  

     

    Miss Liarla Rose is a drama queen who hangs around with convicted felons, and who is a known aider and abetter of the billion-dollar human trafficking business of the adoption mills.  A large amount of her financial backing comes from the “training” institute that instructed Karl Rove on how to do political dirty tricks, like the one he orchestrated in 2000 to destroy John McCain.  Rove manipulated a push-poll of pointed, deceitful questions that were intended for the sole purpose of dispensing rumors and lies. The attack worked. Here is an example of one of Karl Rove’s questions: “Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?”  They had no interest in the actual percentages in the poll, the goal was to suggest that he had. This was particularly vicious since McCain was campaining with his adopted Bangladeshi daughter. The sight of the little dark skinned girl made the seed planted earlier grow and John McCain lost South Carolina, effectively ending his run for the presidency.  

     

    So how does your mighty intellect process these facts with regard to the credibility of Miss Liarla Rose?  

     

    Through critical thinking, I have determined that there’s a definite connection between the organization from whence comes her funding, and the scummy tactics that are long enshrined by that organization still being wielded today by its latter-day beneficiaries.  

  • mar61

    A doctor who is with someone he SUSPECTS  is abusing their kids is in a different situation than if he is with someone who ADMITS abusing kids. A verbal admission of a crime is considered evidence enough to contact police immediately, which would have gotten an investigation started immediately. The workers at PP chose not to do that (when they could have easily done so as soon as the man left their buidling, with no fear of confrontation). 

    You state that they are trained to hide their feelings, yes, to a point, and you state that you thought their body language revealed that they did seem somewhat disturbed. Their actions say otherwise. They were all “extra helpful” to the pimp, and only one of the 6 even got a license plate number. Yes, at least one of them did that. What about the other 5?   No one from PP reported anything to legal authorites until weeks later, in a routine report. 

  • mar61

    I am sorry, you lack reading comprehension or are just  trying to waste my time..  I DID NOT say the retraining was in response to one employee. Go back and read what I wrote. Put that part in quotes.  I said it was obviously NOT because of just one employee. No one is going to retrain thousands of employees because of the actions of just one employee. 

    I never said that verbal admission of a crime was enough evidence to charge someone with a crime, I said it is enough evidence to CALL THE POLICE SO THAT THEY COULD INVESTIGATE. Now you are admitting there WAS sufficient evidence to call the police ..then Why didn’t anyone at any of the 6 PP clinics call the police?  

    LOL you know, your insincere comments are not worth taking seriously for any longer.  I realize intelligence and sincerity will not be found in abundance on this website.

  • arekushieru

    I never said that verbal admission of a crime was enough evidence to charge someone with a crime, I said it is enough evidence to CALL THE POLICE SO THAT THEY COULD INVESTIGATE. Now you are admitting there WAS sufficient evidence to call the police ..then Why didn’t anyone at any of the 6 PP clinics call the police?

    I know, which is what my complaint WAS.  I SAID that WE had never made the complaint that there WASn’t sufficient evidence to call the police, but that we HAD made the complaint that there WASn’t sufficient evidence to charge, arrest or convict the individual, which MEANS that it would have wasted… wait for it…TIME and RESOURCES.  Derrr….


    No one is going to retrain thousands of employees because of the actions of just one employee. 

    And I said it has been done many times, before, so, either you are responding to me as if I didn’t say it (which just proves my point even more) OR you WERE responding in that manner.  Nice little catch-22 you put yourself in, there, isn’t it? 

    LOL you know, your insincere comments are not worth taking seriously for any longer.  I realize intelligence and sincerity will not be found in abundance on this website.


    I don’t think someone who claims to be Ivy League educated yet lacks the skills to attempt basic reading comprehension should be commenting on other people’s intelligence and sincerity (or lack thereof)/


  • ldan

    The doctor who even suspects child abuse can still report and get a case going. They’re not necessarily getting a cop down to the premises when the alleged victim isn’t even there.

     

    I’m finding it difficult to argue about timing of reporting given that neither this article, nor any of the others I can find on reputable sites, spells out anything other than the report to the FBI (which was prior to the release of the videos). I’m willing to concede that I do not know whether they reported things immediately to local police. At least one decent article mentions that the worker in the video did immediately report to their manager. Beyond that I’d be speculating. However, the already discovered doctoring of video is further making me doubt whether the workers actually heard the same things we heard from the actors, making it questionable as to whether they *did* have enough to consider reportable.

     

    Nor do I see how their actions say that they were not disturbed (again, I won’t claim to know precisely why they were disturbed). The various articles I have seen do not spell out precisely what happened after the visits for each of those videos with enough detail to determine that. You’re apparently willing to take the absence of such detail and run with it. Again, you’re the one basing outrage on the fact that the workers did not appear to be shocked and outraged in the videos themselves. I’m curious what sources you have that include enough detail to speculate on their level of outrage outside of those videos.

     

    I *really* don’t see where you’re getting “extra helpful” from? What is in the videos to suggest that they’re giving the actors more complete, or otherwise more helpful information than anyone would get to questions regarding confidentiality, treatment, legalities around same for underage patients, etc?

  • arekushieru

    You state that they are trained to hide their feelings, yes, to a point, and you state that you thought their body language revealed that they did seem somewhat disturbed. Their actions say otherwise. They were all “extra helpful” to the pimp,

    Which is all PERSONAL OPINION.  At least, she stated it as such.  You, however, seem to be unable to distinguish between personal opinion and your biased view on how a person should respond to each situation, individually.

  • mar61

    I know, which is what my complaint WAS.  I SAID that WE had never made the complaint that there WASn’t sufficient evidence to call the police, but that we HAD made the complaint that there WASn’t sufficient evidence to charge, arrest or convict the individual, which MEANS that it would have wasted… wait for it…TIME and RESOURCES.  Derrr.

     

    You are not even attempting to be serious here. Don’t call the police because they don’t have enough evidence to charge, arrest or convict him yet? What grade are you currently in? Do you parents know you are up this late?

    If the police were called they would do the same thing they do all the time, day in and day out. Get a description of the suspect. Get a description of his car and hopefully his license plate number. Track him down. Question him. Find out who he is and where he lives and other background info. Have him followed. Get the evidence needed to arrest and charge him. No police department is going to say that would be a waste of time and resources. I guess you know much more than they do.

    No one is going to retrain thousands of employees because of the actions of just one employee. 

    And I said it has been done many times, before, soeither you are responding to me as if I didn’t say it (which just proves my point even more) OR you WERE responding in that manner.  Nice little catch-22 you put yourself in, there, isn’t it? 

    No, it has not been done. Every organization does periodic retraining, but no one  retrains all employees in the country just because of just one employee’s actions. If only one employee is wrong, he gets fired. If a number of employees are wrong, that calls for retraining.

     

    Now, it must be way past your bedtime. So run along, and try to do some serious study in school. Hint: repeating the same criticism over and over for lack of substantative criticism will not earn a passing grade.


  • colleen

    As far as my reading comprehension, I am ivy league educated and scored an 800 on my critical reading SAT.

     But, if so, what a shame you have failed to develop your natural talents and have squandered your expensive education. Your parents should ask for a refund.

  • squirrely-girl

     

    … leave me no choice but to call bullshit on that one. :/

    As far as my reading comprehension, I am ivy league educated and scored an 800 on my critical reading SAT.

    Now, normally I could give two hoots to people’s grammatical inadequacy while posting here. But most people aren’t throwing around their “credentials” to “impress” us and demand extra consideration. So in the spirit of extra consideration I have a couple of suggestions and editorial comments for you. 

     

    There are three periods or full stops in ellipses, you obviously don’t proofread your posts or just have a thing for random extra spaces, a person who traffics children would be a trafficker not “trafiicker,” you should probably be consistent with “re-training” versus “retraining,” the grammatically correct form is “have been caught” not “have gotten caught,” and Ivy League is considered a proper noun. 

     

    Oh, and considering just how much education most of us posting here have obtained, your credentials are actually quite mundane.