• rogueokie

    I can’t say I entirely disagree with this law.  I haven’t seen the new data but in Kansas where this law passed, abortions among teens went up there right at first.  Seems like not all parents are that supportive of forced-birth policy where their own daughters are concerned. 

     

    When I was 15 I got pregnant.  I fully intended to have that baby.  I was the child of a single parent of three, brutally poor, living in Oklahoma, where pro-forced pregnancy propaganda was heavy (and well illustrated) and accurate information about abortion was non-existent.  I was more scared of the abortion then the pregnancy, I thought I would die or wind up insane and permanently disfigured and then burn in hell. 

     

    My mother found out, (she did not kill me?!) and immediately made an appointment with a doctor and took me there.  There, I found out what my options were, including pictures of what my 3wk fetus looked like.   My mother backed my decision to abort enthusiastically, paid for it and never mentioned that money again (it was the only time she did not make me feel guilty for spending money on me).

     

    Yes, there must be some outlet for teens who can not talk to the parents, but in general, I think involving parents is good for the teen, and that family, no matter the outcome.     

     

     

     

  • jayn

    “We talked about the fact that the court is not required to keep the teens request confidential.  “Could” is not the same as “must”, and it is a valid concern that under this new law courts can notify parents that their teen has requested a judicial bypass.”

     

    *headdesk* Way to defeat the entire point.

  • carolyninthecity

    I like the idea of ensuring the parent is involved, but as it’s been mentioned many times before, the majority of teens will go to their parents anyway. Mom and dad are more then likely going to be the source of the money for the procedure and the ride to the clinic. What if a girl’s parent is anti-choice (which they are likely to be in Alaska?- maybe a generalization?) and they strongly opposed their daughter having the abortion, is there anything they could do to stop it? What’s the point in notifying a parent if they don’t have to give consent? It’s just another road block for a young girl who might have a very very good reason not to include her parents in her decision. 

  • pamela-merritt

    To clarify – the law requires parental notice OR consent before an abortion is knowingly performed or induced on a pregnant, unmarried, unemancipated women under 18 years of age or that a court has authorized the minor to proceed with the abortion without parental involvement and the minor consents. http://www.elections.alaska.gov/petitions/09PIMA/09PIMA_FINA_BILL_TEXT_modifiedperSupreme_Cts_Order.pdf

     

  • rachel-larris

    I looked at the ads on the No on Ballot 2 website and I thought the TV and radio ads didn’t go FAR ENOUGH in highlighting child abuse. I actually would have put grown up abused teens (or actors portraying them) RIGHT UP FRONT in the campaign. It’s the only way it would have won.

    Saying “it’s complicated” isn’t a great campaign idea. The ONLY way to win would have been to use the idea of child abuse as the main reason why this law is a bad idea. The “Get outside your bubble” was a great tag-line but the rest of the ads against the ballot measure seemed very complex in the arguments they were making.

  • bornin1984

    Except maybe the argument that minors should be allowed to do as they want sans parental involvement because of an occurrence which constitutes a small fraction of all abortions.

  • prochoiceferret

    Yes, there must be some outlet for teens who can not talk to the parents, but in general, I think involving parents is good for the teen, and that family, no matter the outcome.

     

    And you think that enforcing this involvement by way of the legal system, and having an “outlet” that is a difficult-to-navigate and often ill-defined legal process is a good idea?

  • prochoiceferret

    Except maybe the argument that minors should be allowed to do as they want sans parental involvement because of an occurrence which constitutes a small fraction of all abortions.

     

    So I guess you’ve got no problem with late-term abortions, about which one can say the same thing!

  • oodlenoodle

    The amount of people who refuse to believe parent-teen abuse occurs (or that informing DSHS, police, etc is a “simple process”) is just horrifying. I can’t imagine what it’s like living in a world that delusional. 

  • bornin1984

    So I guess you\’ve got no problem with late-term abortions, about which one can say the same thing!

    We make exceptions for late-term abortions, do we not? Your logic would hold that late-terms abortions should be unilaterally legal because they can be needed at times, instead of only legal when they are needed.

  • arthur-frederick

    I have no problem with late-term abortions. Until the fetus enters this world, it remains a part of the uterus which is the property of the woman. Only the woman carrying the fetus can make that choice–no one else has the right to decide for her.

    There are numerous reasons for late-term abortions. They include life endangerment, fetal indications, lack of money or health insurance, social-psychological crises, lack of knowledge about human reproduction, etc. Many late-term abortions are performed on teenage girls who did not know they were pregnant until the pregnancy began to show and they were afraid of parents and potential violence for becoming pregnant and even for having sex. Another reason for late-term abortions is that there are numerous women living subsistently in poverty, who have tried desperately to act responsibly and to end an unplanned pregnancy in the early stages, only to face insurmountable financial barriers.

    One common reason for late-term abortions is Anencephaly: a severe head disorder, occurs when the head end of the neural tube fails to close, absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp. Children with this disorder are born without a forebrain, the largest part of the brain. The remaining brain tissue is often exposed—not covered by bone or skin. And there is Potter’s Syndrome: there is a total absence or malformation of infant kidneys. Vast majority of babies die at birth or shortly afterwards. It bring any baby into the world with either is not only a cruelty to the parents but to the baby who has little to no chance to survive and will have a brief life of constant torment.

  • crowepps

    The law WAIVES notification if the clinic knows up front that the parent consents (as for instance when the parent brings the minor to the clinic in the first place) but does NOT require consent from parents who are notified. Basically it ‘tattles’ to the parents without allowing them to affect the decision of the minor at all, unless, of course, they track her down and can lock her up somewhere before the appointment.

     

    Personally, considering the rape rate and child sexual abuse rates in Alaska, I think they’ve opened a huge can of worms. Keep in mind also that this initiative was passed by a little over 15% of the registered voters, since voter turnout in the primary was only 27.5%.

     

    I’m sure the local illegal drug dealers will add misoprostol to their client list ASAP.

  • crowepps

    Yes, there must be some outlet for teens who can not talk to the parents, but in general, I think involving parents is good for the teen, and that family, no matter the outcome. 

    I agree that in general involving parents is good for the teen however the exceptions complicate things considerably and outcomes do matter.  If the teen is making her own decision then there are two possibilities: she may decide to get an abortion or she may decide to continue her pregnancy.

     

    Once the parents are involved there are lots of other scenarios as well:

     

    the teen may want an abortion and her conservative parents make it clear they won’t forgive her for doing so,

    the teen may NOT want an abortion and her parents pressure her into it,

    the parents (who aren’t necessarily married to each other) may disagree with each other, with one wanting the abortion and the other opposing it so that there’s a prolonged family battle,

    the parents may throw her out of the house altogether for being a ‘slut’, especially if the pregnancy was the result of incest,

    or one of the parents may beat her to death.

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