Roundup: Huckabee Weighs in on Georgia Abortion Bill


Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is on a bit of a roll lately. Last week he said that gay couples shouldn’t be allowed to adopt because “children aren’t puppies” and therefore gays can’t be trusted to raise them right.

Huckabee – who just this week decided he’s now an official Floridian – has now lent his voice and support to robo-calls for the Georgia Right to Life’s campaign to get a bill through the Senate that would make it a crime to a doctor to perform an abortion for reasons of gender and race or when they “know” a woman has been coerced.  You can read the text of the Senate bill here.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has the text of the robo-calls:

“Hello, this is Gov. Mike Huckabee calling on behalf of the Georgia Right to Life. I want to bring to your attention a vitally important piece of legislation that has powerful implications for the sanctity of human life nationwide.

“Senate Bill 529 is a simple bill. It protects a woman from being forced into having an abortion against her will, and prohibits the use of abortion as a means of race or gender discrimination. Some of the best pro-life attorneys in the nation have helped craft the language of SB 529, and it’s very important that the Georgia House with no amendments. I’m asking you, please contact your state representative….”

The reason the Georgia Right to Life really, really wants this bill to pass is they are hoping to set up a constitutional challenge. The AJC reports:

Last summer, Georgia Right to Life hosted a meeting with anti-abortion members of the House on St. Simons Island.

(GRTL isn’t rolling in money. The lawmakers were already there for a relaxed GOP caucus meeting.)

Constitutional attorneys were brought in to explain the impact of the new Obama administration on the U.S. Supreme Court – that the window of opportunity to mount a direct legal challenge to Roe v. Wade would begin to shrink with the first retirement of a court conservative.

So it was essential, they explained, that the challenge begin as soon as possible. Dan Becker, president of Georgia Right to Life, and the lawyers outlined the bill they had in mind to raise the proper legal issues and attract the interest of conservative Supreme Court justices.

Sadly, Georgia Right to Life is concerned the bill’s unconstitutional parts may be watered down.

SB 529 is now before the House Judiciary Committee. Becker suspects that some House Republican leaders are about to tone down the bill with a substitute that would remove the race and gender features of the measure – the elements intended to generate the high court challenge.

In Other News: JK Rowling, who knows something about being a single mom, castigates the Tory Party for going after single moms.  And you can add yet another city/county that is taking steps to strip any coverage of abortion services out of their insurance policies for employees.

April 16, 2010

Around the Rotunda: Abortion bill opponent mistaken about abortion timing Lincoln Journal Star

Retreat tries to help after an abortion LubbockOnline.com

Shelby, county employee health plans to soon drop controversial coverage Shelby Star

China city targets 10000 in sterilization drive: report AFP

HPV Vaccine: Why Boys — Not Just Girls — Need a Shot in the Arm Politics Daily

Obama makes hospitals allow gay visitation rights Reuters

Sexually active boys STD, HIV unaware UPI.com

Kathy Griffin airs Pap smear on ‘D-List’ . . . to inspire women Washington Post

9 porn agencies to be targeted in labor complaints The Associated Press

April 15, 2010

Gov. Parkinson vetoes changes to abortion law Pittsburg Morning Sun

Louisiana House Moves Bill Ahead to Opt Out of Abortion Funding Under Health Care LifeNews.com

Tory MP introduces ‘coerced abortion’ bill Toronto Star 

Mo. Senate backs expanded 24-hour abortion consent CNBC

Columbia Planned Parenthood could face new restrictions Columbia Missourian

A brewing fight over an anti-abortion bill aimed at the US Supreme Court Atlanta Journal Constitution

SC senators restore abortion coverage for rape WMBF

Anti-abortion display provokes student protesters The Inquirer

Circumcision may lower risk of genital wart virus Reuters

WHO chief sides with US over abortion access and maternal health Vancouver Sun

‘Early abortion’ licences sought The Press Association

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  • alisa

    Okay, I think this is one of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation to ever cross my path. How many abortions occur in the US because a woman doesn’t like the race (of the fetus or the father?)? I mean, wouldn’t the child’s race be hers? Isn’t forcing women to have children the worst kind of gender discrimination? We’re not forcing the men to have children and be responsible for them.

    I agree on the coersion piece. But isn’t that what the informed consent process is all about? So forcing/coercing a woman to have a baby is okey dokey by them?

    The idea that this kind of legislation can pass muster in GA makes me wonder about the state legislature’s critical thinking ability.

  • crowepps

    We are talking about members of the state legislature.  There is no requirement that politicians have critical thinking ability.  As a matter of fact, from what I’ve seen that’s a liability in campaigning since people who actually do have critical thinking ability tend to be dismissed as ‘elitists who think they’re better than everyone else’.

  • elyzabeth

    In some small towns with endemic racism, I can imagine that a white woman might feel compelled not have mixed children given the social stigma, given how much her family, friends, and church community looks down on other races.  Given that some towns in Georgia had segregated proms until 2008, and that justice of the peace in Louisiana denied a marriage license to a mixed couple just last year, the social pressures in everyday life against having multiracial kids must be immense for women facing those situations. 

     

    The only other situation I can think of that would lead to a race-specific abortion is if a husband and wife are the same race, and the wife suspects her baby will be a different flavor.  The wife wouldn’t want the husband to know that she was cheating and there is no way to pass the baby off as the husband’s (there isn’t any way due to paternity tests, but that isn’t a factor unless the husband has reason to be suspicious).

     

    However, both of these scenarios are using abortion to “disguise socially-unacceptable sexual behavior,” so the law against them was created because god-forbid women do anything bad and not be publically humiliated for it.

  • elyzabeth

    Circumcision may lower risk of genital wart virus Reuters”

     

    And if you read the article, it is referring to Africa, not to developed countries.  It’s really backwards that Americans feel compelled to perform cosmetic surgery on their newborn babies.  If a guy wants to be circumsized, he can elect to do that when he is old enough to decide for himself.  Why take the choice away from your child?

  • mjm9352

    Having been a victim of abuse I can understand distrust of males. I even get the part where women associate the unborn baby with the abuser. But any individual intelligent enough to make an argument on any subject having been giving time to reflect knows that the baby is not responsible for someone elses behavior. And I can’t speak for all people I can only speak for myself when I was 16 and sexually active I felt betrayed when my mom brought me to the clinic for birth control pills. I felt betrayed that she didn’t care enough to encourage me to wait for marriage to be sexually active. At the age of 23 I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit began my practice of abstinence and except for the years when my ex and I were still married have continued to practice abstinence. I find abstinence to be very liberating. When my mom brought me to the clinic my sexual promiscuity increased not decreased and I had very little intent of taking the pills on a regular schedule. Back in 89 while attending school the doctor had the audacity to ask me what type of birth control I used. I felt very proud to say I practice abstinence. And when he pressured me I repeated I practice abstinence. That’s enough freedom to last me a lifetime! Now that I’m an adult I don’t blame my mom I just make decisions that are guided by my own convictions.  Oh and back to the abortion issue  when the moms life is at risk why abort the baby why not deliver it and try to save it’s life instead of taking it? 

  • ahunt

    We are glad you have found your peace, MJ.

  • prochoiceferret

    I even get the part where women associate the unborn baby with the abuser. But any individual intelligent enough to make an argument on any subject having been giving time to reflect knows that the baby is not responsible for someone elses behavior.

    Of course. Does that mean that you’re going to tell a woman who was raped, and who became pregnant as a result of that rape, that she will have to carry her rapist’s offspring to term, whether she wants to or not?

    I felt very proud to say I practice abstinence. And when he pressured me I repeated I practice abstinence. That’s enough freedom to last me a lifetime!

    Hey, we respect unconventional pursuits. Just look at what this guy built in his spare time:

    We’re cool with that. While not-having-sex may not give you something similarly nifty that you can show off (unless you’re inclined to flash, and brag, “This vajajay hasn’t seen action in over twenty years and counting!”), no one here’s gonna ding you for it. Of course, you totally understand that other people may make different (healthy, legal) choices from you, and you won’t hold that against them, either.

    Oh and back to the abortion issue when the moms life is at risk why abort the baby why not deliver it and try to save it’s life instead of taking it?

    Um… if the mom’s life is at risk, that course of action may result in her becoming dead. You might be a relative of the Addams family, and thus not imagine the whole dying-thing to be a big deal, but to most people it is. Trust me on this.

  • elyzabeth

    “Having been a victim of abuse I can understand distrust of males.”

    You’ve been hanging around with the wrong males.  I don’t want to disrespect what you have gone through, but you’re the only survivor I’ve encountered that “distrusts males.”  Distrust the asshole who hurt you, and distrust his apologists and sympathizers–but there is no basis to assume all or even most males are like that.  All my guy friends and family members have a sense of empathy and strong feminist beliefs, even if they don’t use the word.  Similarly, there is no compelling reason to “trust” women not to hurt you–they can also be perpetrators and rape-apologists.

     

    I even get the part where women associate the unborn baby with the abuser. But any individual intelligent enough to make an argument on any subject having been giving time to reflect knows that the baby is not responsible for someone elses behavior.

     

    First, it’s not a baby–it’s a potential baby.  It’s a clump of baby ingredients that, if all the necessary factors fall into place, will develop into a baby.  At the stage of development when most women abort, or take emergency BC, the zygote/embryo/blastocyst/fetus is nowhere near conciousness. 

     

    Second, pregnancy is a very, very big deal, even if you give the baby up for adoption.  Giving up your body for the better part of a year is non-trivial.  During late pregnancy, you can’t work, you can’t go to school, you will need medical supervision even if there are no complications.  Are theplans that women have, the lives they’ve built, so trivial that they should just be forced to drop everything?

     

    Creating a new life–a new person, that was part of you is a big deal.  I can only speak for myself, but I don’t pick male sexual partners for fatherhood potential.  The thought of creating a new person that is half-me/ half-someone-I-dislike is very, very disturbing to me.

     

    And I can’t speak for all people I can only speak for myself when I was 16 and sexually active I felt betrayed when my mom brought me to the clinic for birth control pills. I felt betrayed that she didn’t care enough to encourage me to wait for marriage to be sexually active.

     

      I would not have been emotionally mature enough to have sex at 16; however, I know many people who were balanced, self-confident, and good enough communicators to negotiate healthful and fulfilling sex lives in their midteens.  I’m not a sexpert, but it seems like you were aware that the sex made you feel like you were doing something bad or unhealthy.  The sex you were having left you feelling used, and you felt that if your mom really cared, she would be supportive and help you get out of that bad situation.

     

    I agree that your mom might have betrayed, and at least failed to protect you, you.  It sounds like you were being damaged by unhealthy relationships and your mom never noticed that you were being hurt.  You weren’t getting told that you have a right to say “no” to sex.

     

    Abstinence appears to be the right choice for you.  I’m glad that you are strong, healthy, and happy now.  However, for many of us, there is nothing magical about marriage that automatically makes married sex healthy and all other sex harmful. 

  • elyzabeth

    “Back in 89 while attending school the doctor had the audacity to ask me what type of birth control I used.”

     

    Trust me. it was in no way a judgement on you.  Campus doctor have to ask that.  I went to my campus doctor to get stitches out and she asked me three times if I was pregnant and handed me a brochure in case I needed a syphilis test. 

  • crowepps

    But any individual intelligent enough to make an argument on any subject having been giving time to reflect knows that the baby is not responsible for someone elses behavior.

    Any individual intelligent enough to make an argument on any subject is also aware that sexism is wrong, that being a bigot is a bad thing, that freedom of conscience means other people will actually believe things that you don’t believe, and that discriminating against people because they’re different is stupid. So, given time to reflect, I’m sure all of those people can just completely SWITCH OFF the illogical emotional reactions that causes all those things and just GET OVER IT and live and let live.

     

    I am SO GLAD you pointed out that just being given some time to reflect will allow women to WELCOME devoting nine months of their lives and damaging their physical health to provide a rapist with a child. Since, you know, it never would have OCCURRED to them to actually, you know, THINK, without you suggesting it.

     

    Good golly.

     

    Just as I’m sure that it has never OCCURRED to the obstetrician worried about the patient with the disastrous complications that are killing her that he could “just deliver the baby”! I’m sure once we publicize this startling solution all obstetricians will slap their heads and say, “Now, why didn’t I think of that?”

     

    [Sarcasm off]

     

    I am really, really glad you practice abstinence and hope you continue to do so. Anybody who would post something this clueless probably isn’t competent to take care of a baby.

  • mjm9352

    Ferret-

    I think the whole dying thing to be a very big issue. That’s why I submitted my comments. And your right people have the right to make up their own minds about the lifestyles they chose. I believe as long as it isn’t harming anyone else that’s your business but when people want to convince teen-agers that they are incapable of self-control well that’s just a big lie. And when you justify killing the unborn with lies that too is just a lie. Now you pointed out in your response that I must be part of the Adams Family because I think if a mom’s life is truly at risk then why not deliver the baby. Do you really think that abortion is safer than delivering a baby? I like to discuss abortion but really don’t like to debate it when people start attacking people but I seen a picture of an aborted baby that they used a solution that burned it. Please share your comments on what you think it would be like to be resting in your mother’s womb only to be burned out?

  • mjm9352

    Very competent. Thank you. In fact I have a son with Down’s who has had leukemia Wilson’s disease and Juvenile Dermatomyocitis. With the leukemia he’s been in remission for 9 years. Since he was 10 he has stopped walking 3 times because of the chemo and the dermatomyocitis. Presently he’s walking quiet well and is enjoying his LIFE. Sorry I’m usually not so verbal when it comes to abortion I like to stay around like minded people but I just seen a picture of a baby that was aborted and they used a solution to burn him that’s how they conducted the abortion. OUCH! And before I got saved I loved sarcasm but now I’m saved and can see a little clearer. On a lighter note how blessed are you to live in such a beautiful state? Be Blessed.

  • prochoiceferret

    I believe as long as it isn’t harming anyone else that’s your business but when people want to convince teen-agers that they are incapable of self-control well that’s just a big lie.

    Well, yeah. Don’t waste your time telling us, however, when we believe that arming teens with information and know-how ultimately helps keep them safe and in control of their health and lives—go tell the abstinence-only educators who genuinely believe that ignorance is the way!

    And when you justify killing the unborn with lies that too is just a lie.

    Oh, I’m sorry. When that pregnant rape victim said that she didn’t want to carry her rapist’s child to term, I guess I shouldn’t have been so naive as to believe that.

    Do you really think that abortion is safer than delivering a baby?

    If the mother is at risk of dying in labor? Sure. If it’s early in the pregnancy? Certainly. You may not be aware of this, since the whole not-having-sex thing kind of prevents it from ever happening to you, but childbirth is a big deal. It’s not like a bowel movement. It’s much, much, MUCH harder on the body than that. You should talk to women who have done it, especially when there were complications.

    but I seen a picture of an aborted baby that they used a solution that burned it.

    Oh, don’t worry, that was probably a fake picture of a miscarriage or something. Next time someone shows you a purported “abortion photo,” ask for the documentation behind it. But be prepared to be disappointed.

    Please share your comments on what you think it would be like to be resting in your mother’s womb only to be burned out?

    Yes, that would really suck. But then, I’m not into the whole unbirth thing—and even if I were, I wouldn’t do it with my mother. (Of course, we totally respect whatever fetishes you have, as long as they are safe, and everyone involved is consenting.)

  • elyzabeth

    I believe as long as it isn’t harming anyone else that’s your business but when people want to convince teen-agers that they are incapable of self-control well that’s just a big lie.

     

    I would disagree with the statement that “lack of self-control is the reason people have sex.”  Sex is a large component of many people’s well-being.  I’m not saying that there is anything wrong with being asexual or being happy without sex.  However, for many people sex isn’t just a mosquito bite that needs to be scratched, or a dangerous drug that people get addicted to–sex is a physically and emotionally positive experience.  Most humans need to feel close to other people.

     

    I like to discuss abortion but really don’t like to debate it when people start attacking people but I seen a picture of an aborted baby that they used a solution that burned it. Please share your comments on what you think it would be like to be resting in your mother’s womb only to be burned out?

     

    First, the majority of fertilized oocytes naturally don’t survive to term.  Humans are terribly inefficient at reproduction: as many as an eighth of zygotes fail to divide, many fail to implant, the mother’s body may fail to recognize the implanted embryo, the mother’s body will miscarry the fetus is she is stressed or sick, fetal anomalies or congenital defects can cause fetal death.  Like any other medical field, reproductive sciences are very messy. 

     

    Most women who abort do so in the first trimester.  You seem very concerned with pictures of bloody, unmistakably human fetuses–that is not the reality of abortion.  The emotional impact is lessened when you consider that the majority of aborted fetuses are the size of your thumbnail and structurally more similar to hagfish than developed humans (remember from biology class: ontology recapitulates phytology).  I’m not saying that human fetuses aren’t human–I’m saying that your emotional appeal involving bloody fully-formed fetuses is not what people talk about when they talk about abortion. 

     

    Also, good god PCFerret!!  I didn’t know that was a thing!!

  • prochoiceferret

    Also, good god PCFerret!! I didn’t know that was a thing!!

    I have explored the weird and generally-not-safe-for-work world of paraphilias, so you don’t have to. O_O

     

    For anti-choicers, however, this appears to be pretty familiar territory. I wonder if they’re into inflation fetishism, too….

  • mjm9352

    Ferret- Were you aware that the very case that became Roe V. Wade was actually based on a lie. That’s proven and the very lady that was coached to lie took that all the way to the Supreme Court explained what really happened to them and it still was not overturned. Research what type of abortions are being done and then you’ll know they are burning them. Not only are they burning them but one ladies abortion failed her little boy was born alive she called the clinic workers for help and they wouldn’t allow her to get out the bathroom. She placed a call to her friend who was also at the clinic the friend called 911 the medics were dispatched they were(the medics) lied to and her little boy died. Now I could get very sarcastic at this point but I won’t. So go ahead and rationalize all of this information and use your intellect again to make me look not to bright. Go ahead enlightned one justify these senseless deaths. Go to Ms. Staneks blog and you can get more information on what happened to that mom and her little boy. Be blessed if your determined for your intellect to shine let it shine for those who can’t defend themselves. The mom whose little boy was born alive I don’t think they used the burning technique on him because his skin wasn’t burnt. Read what approach they used on this little man and then we will pause and you can wave your enlightened flag again.

  • crowepps

    Were you aware that women who wear immodest clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes?  Really, it was in the news, so it MUST be true.

     

    http://www.iranfocus.com/en/women/iranian-cleric-promiscuous-women-cause-quakes-20188.html

    So go ahead and rationalize all of this information and use your intellect again to make me look not to bright.

    It was not ferret’s intellect which made you “look not to bright” but rather your own comments, including this one, because they reveal that you are missing a healthy sense of skepticism, and will believe any urban myth somebody passed on to you.

     

    The woman who was the original impetus for the Roe v Wade ruling, just as a for instance, is now MAKING HER LIVING giving speeches to ProLife groups and the more convincingly she can act really, really sad about how stupid she was and how she was ‘fooled’ by everybody, the MORE MONEY she gets.  Dog and pony show are mostly fakery and half-truths used to pump up emotions, and that is particularly true when the audience is an anti-abortion group.

  • saltyc

    mjm can you please give some more information on the woman who was told to stay in the bathroom, such as names, dates, anything other than wallowing through the mountains of entries at Jill Staneck’s blog.

     

     

  • prochoiceferret

    Were you aware that women who wear immodest clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes? Really, it was in the news, so it MUST be true.

    Hey, it’s perfectly plausible! Given that men in many Middle Eastern countries can’t handle themselves around women (you know, kind of like otaku, but worse), the sight of an attractive woman can cause any man within eyeshot to start masturbating uncontrollably. If there happens to be a large group of men, and a catchy song playing at the same time, their up-and-down strokes may become synchronized. From there, it’s a simple matter of resonance—like the way soldiers break formation when they walk over a bridge so that it doesn’t come crashing down. If the U.S. could hack Iranian TV, and broadcast a naked women in the middle of an Ahmadinejad speech, the whole country would be fapped back to the Stone Age!

    but rather your own comments, including this one, because they reveal that you are missing a healthy sense of skepticism, and will believe any urban myth somebody passed on to you.

    Yeah. Next thing you know, she’ll start believing the whole “oral and anal sex aren’t really sex” silliness… which would at least explain her “abstinence is all the freedom I need!” schtick.

  • wendy-banks

    “I have explored the weird and generally-not-safe-for-work world of paraphilias, so you don’t have to. O_O”

    Uhh, Ferret…? No, no, I’m not sure I really want to know… I’ve run across some pretty wild stuff myself– Check out he Man-lady’s of Thailand. Damn, she looks better in a bikini than me when I was a size 5, so totally not fair! *whines and feels sorry for herself*

  • wendy-banks

    “I am really, really glad you practice abstinence and hope you continue to do so. Anybody who would post something this clueless probably isn’t competent to take care of a baby.”

    *grins* Bad girl crowepps.

  • crowepps

    I probably shouldn’t have said it, I really try hard to be accepting and meet people at the level they’re capable of, but this particular mix of ignorance and self-righteousness was just SO awful — sometimes it’s good to be bad.

  • prochoiceferret

    Check out he Man-lady’s of Thailand.

    “Toto, I don’t think we’re in Castle Grayskull anymore!”

  • ahunt

    PCF…I hate you, and I wanted you to be the first to know.

     

    I’ll expect my new keyboard via UPS?

  • prochoiceferret

    PCF…I hate you, and I wanted you to be the first to know. I’ll expect my new keyboard via UPS?

    My work here is done =^_^=

  • wendy-banks

    “Do you really think that abortion is safer than delivering a baby?”

    Yeah, and the scientific facts support it.

    Table 1
    Abortion-Related Deaths
    Region Deaths per 100,000 abortions
    Developing1 330
    Africa 680
    South & Southeast Asia 283
    Latin America 119
    Developed .0.2-1.2
    1. Excluding China. Source: The Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI), Sharing Responsibility: Women, Society and Abortion Worldwide, New York: AGI, 1999, p. 35.

    We are in the Developed block BTW

     

    More Than 500,000 Women Die Annually From Preventable Pregnancy-Related Causes, WHO World Health Day Report Says  Kaser Health Foundation News April 2005

     

    So, you do the math– You have a FAR, FAR better chance of DYING from carring to term. Not to mention having surviable pregnancy complications like I had that I very well could have died from if I did not live in a developed country (hyperemesis gravida)

    And don’t trot out that tired old religious saw ‘god wants this’. Your god (not mine– I’m nearly a Atheist) aborts more babies than human-kind EVER has, concidering how many pregnacies end in miscarrige, stillbirth, or babies that have fetal abnormalisies incombatable with life. 

    Go away, your lies don’t sway us. Be sure of your FACTS before you run your mouth.

     

  • ahunt

    My work here is done

     

    Not by a long shot, cheeky rodent! You have plenty of work to do.

     

    BTORSP

  • wendy-banks

    “…but now I’m saved and can see a little clearer.”

    *snorts* You have GOT to be shitting me! Want to see clearer? Try science, not superstition.

  • wendy-banks

    Yeah, well it’s usally myself, Princess Rot, ProChoiceFerret, or Ahunt that are the snarky ones first. You seem to have more restraint than I have– Or maybe I just need restraints… ( They’er comeing to take me away haha– Where life is beautifull all the time…) 

    But it’s way too tempting to take pot shots at the ding-dongs.

    Sarcasm, just another service I offer… Well, right behind grumpiness, that is… :)

  • ahunt

    Hey  Wendy, I have restraint, God Dammit!…and I think this one calls for restraint, better angels yada yada, and just a little kindness…

     

    It happens…really.

  • wendy-banks

    No, no, I said I needed restraints. I no, I am not picking on the mentally ill, just myself. As I am SMI– Major Desspressive Dissorder, PTSD (cured), and Dissociative Identity Disorder (integrated). is oh so much fun– Not. And the funny farm is really kinda scary (Arizona State Hospital– I was broke, homeless, and had no insurance and that’s where they stick you when they can’t fix you right away.)  But, I got better because of the help I got from a great Psychiatrist and medication (Not there, they can’t fix shit) although I can’t use the car-pool anymore…

    On a lighter note, I offer a song…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=3iDl2zwF8TM

    I loved the Dr. Demento Show– Good times, good times…

    • captcourageous

      Thank you for sharing. Sincerely.Fool/hb.gif

  • wendy-banks

    “Having been a victim of abuse I can understand distrust of males.”

    Been there, done that, compleatly sucks. Get help, get away, get healthy an go on– Anything but stay… Abuse is a bitch, weither you are a girl or a guy. No matter the abuser.

    Religion was one thing I was abused with– I have no tolerance for shame and fear-based religions anymore, forever.  Very burned out, there.  They weren’t christian’s you say? I beg to differ… As the saying goes: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s more than likely A DUCK! And AWANA is abuses kids with religion.

    So you say ‘If you knew god like I knew him…” Uh, uh, no way, never again… I like my sanity, thanks… Since, I gave up god, I gave up a lot of the pain, shame and fear that they cramed down my throat– And I discovered freedom and wisdom.

    Come to the dark side–  We have cookies!

  • wendy-banks

    “If the U.S. could hack Iranian TV, and broadcast a naked women in the middle of an Ahmadinejad speech, the whole country would be fapped back to the Stone Age!” 

    Trys to get that mental image going, but can’t. Too bazaar for my pain medication bufuddled brain, I guess… *laughs*

    Well, I’m for bed *yawns*…

  • faultroy

    It may sound crazy to those not familiar or far sighted enough, but wanting to allow gays to adopt may have some legal repercussions that to date have not been discussed. (For the record, I am for Gay Rights).  For example, with respect the the child, who decides whether a Gay couple can have a specific baby?  Does the Mother make this decision, or the State or the Adoption Agency? Or does it go before a Judge?  Also, what happens to the child once it becomes of age?  Does that child who may have some personal issues with being adopted by Gays have a right to sue the agency, the Feds or the State for being arbitrarily given to a gay couple? What about if there is molestation or abuse? Who is legally responsible: the Feds, State, Adoption Agency? What about informed consent of the Mother? Can she void an adoption by a Gay couple?  Is the State or Feds or the Courts of the Adoption Agency required to give her notice that her child may be adopted by a Gay couple?  And if she balks, who is liable in our litiginous society? Can the child sue with standing in the courts if it feels that it became gay as a result of being raised by parents that were gay–should the child do so?–Who will bear the responsibility? The reality is that these cases will come up, and I doubt anyone has any clear understanding of how such cases will be handled. 

  • crowepps

    You know, the ones where the biological mother sues because her child was adopted by a heterosexual abusers, or the child sued the State because it was placed with adoptive parents who were abusive:

    Two Ohio teenagers forced by their adoptive parents to sleep in cages have sued the couple and caseworkers who arranged the adoptions. The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court in Cleveland on behalf of Sharen Torrence, 18, and Michael Gravelle, 17. Their adoptive parents, Michael and Sharen Gravelle, named the children after them. The couple are now serving two-year prison terms for abusing some of their 11 adopted special-needs children. The suit also names caseworkers and the Hamilton County Department of Job and Family Services in Cincinnati. It said the Gravelles were unfit to be parents and should never have gotten custody of the children.

     http://jfs.ohio.gov/octf/Daily%20Clips%20Week%20ending%2010%2023%2009.pdf

    Then I’m sure there’s some possible lawsuits out there by adoptive children who were placed with parents who belonged to some whacky Christianist cult that believed in beating kids, or a tort for a child who happened to turn out to be gay all by itself and insists that since the straight parents who adopted him disapprove he would have been better off being placed with a gay couple in the first place.

     

    I have no doubt whatsoever that cases will come up.  If lawyers think there might be a buck in it somewhere, you can count on a lawsuit.

  • wendy-banks

    So? I got treated, I got better. Just as I said before. Treated “issues” get better, just like any other illness. My only remaining, Major Deppressive Dissorder is being treated, thanks. Why did I post? I have nothing to hide.