• progo35

    oh, god, not abstinence. NOT that.

    "Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

  • emma

    I love that video. LOVE. Good god, I miss Buffy.

     

    I also recommend the Ginger Snaps movies. They’re about werewolves rather than vampires, but are awesomely awesome regardless.

  • redrosespiral

    I love it too. I’ve sent it to all of my Twilight loving friends. Maybe this will jog their minds and make them remember what a real vampire is.

  • celestialbean

    Hey there, I haven’t actually read any of the twilight books but I have recently had the urge to despite all logical thought. This really was helpful…that is, it was until I went back and watched that buffy clip. After the clip was over youtube had so many twilight related things it told me to watch and now I just want to read twilight….I am doomed.

  • pilar608

    There’s also Rachel’s fabulous summaries of Twilight and New Moon. She was doing a chapter by chapter recap of the books, though she got stalled out in Eclipse. They’re really funny, expose the bad writing, lack of plot or tension, Edward’s creepy factor, etc. I literally laughed out loud. I don’t remember the website off the top of my head, but if you google “yes I’ve read it it’s still stupid” it’ll be the first result.

  • anonymous99

    Bella and Edwards relationship is nothing short of suicidal. Bella jumps off a cliff to water below at a height which would be deadly in many cases to be with Edward. Later, Edward exposes himself to sunlight which for vampires is deadly to be with Bella. I’m all for drama and entertainment but New Moon is one of the most disturbing movies I’ve ever seen.

  • pilar608

    I really hate that I know this, but:

     

    At least in the books, sunlight is not lethal to vampires.  Which means, his big suicidal plan was to go out in the sun in a busy tourist place and *sparkle*  Which would apparently cause people to realize, "ZOMG!  Vampire!" and then the big bad vampire clan would kill him for making humans aware of vampires.  

     

    The intent is there, but the plan itself is so flawed that it never would worked out.  Can’t you just see Edward in the town square, shirt open, pouting as emo as he can, sparkling away….And then people either 1) ignore him as a drunk with too much body glitter or 2) worship him as an angel.  Epic fail.

     

    Pedantry aside, though, the self-destructiveness of Edward and Bella especially during the book is really disturbing. 

  • derekp

    Why is the plot in Breaking Dawn considered to be anti-choice? As I understand it (without having read the book), it is only because Bella refuses to have an abortion if her health/life is endangered by the pregnancy. But I thought “pro-choice” meant that women have the choice to decide for themselves if they want to give birth or have an abortion. If Bella freely CHOOSES to give birth (i.e. no one coerces or pressures her to) then how is that anti-choice if she is making the choice? In real life, should a doctor force a woman to have an abortion if the pregnancy threatens her life, even if she clearly states she wants the baby to live even if it causes her to die? What is the pro-choice response to these situations given the definition of pro-choice as trusting women to make the decision that’s right for them in regards to reproductive matters?

  • carolyn-marie-fugit

    A woman certainly has the right to choose to continue a pregnancy even if it could potentially kill her, but I certainly don’t have to go around and glorifying such choices as the book does (or Pope John Paul II who sainted a woman who died in childbirth rather than have an abortion when she was diagnosed with cancer, leaving her widower and several kids without a mother; but, hey, she’s a saint, even if that abortion would NOT have lead to her excommunication because it’s explicitly allowed in the Catholic Church). I think people should have the right to legally take illicit drugs, but I’m certainly not going to promote it or glorify it or encourage my friends to partake in hard drugs because it’s a dangerous idea that has a huge potential of causing more harm than good. Bella does have the right to choose to maybe die because of a pregnancy, but if she dies in childbirth, what good is she for her child or potential future children? 

     

    Combined with other messages in these books, it’s not an unwise choice but part of a larger anti-choice message. 

  • girlofpages19

    I sort of agree Edward is creepy( I was always pulling for jacob) and many times when reading the book(two years ago) I was like oh come on get it on already!!!  And I would have liked to say that I would not have been enamored with him, but as a teenager it’s easy to get caught up in a guy even buffy went through that(hello angel,) but the fact is that their relationship is SICK(sorry twilight fans).  I read all the books just because I wanted to know how it ended(like my Harry Potter experince)but some parts were boring and unsatisfying.  My suggestion anything by ellen hopkins(realistic) or L. J. Smith(more well kick-a$$)!
    Or the Bronte sisters oh I could go on and on! 

    Sorry for my spelling but not really for my opinions lol!,

    Lisa

  • girlofpages19

    *Sparkle*  I love that he was going to sparkle himself to death.  Athough I really understand that by exposing himself(which no one wants to see) to the world thus getting him killed by the leader vamps!

     

    I was franticly in love with the books until all that commercial crap started up.   But it lost it’s *sparkle* for me I vainly admit lol.  I kinda like being different.   I hate the movies, still like the books okay.

  • girlofpages19

    Yep  Not wanting to give up a baby doesn’t really make you anti-choice.  I just couldn’t but if another person wants it and has thought it through I’ll drive them!

  • girlofpages19

    I don’t think abstinence is a bad thing.  I mean being an "in your face" herine doesn’t mean disrespecting your body.  I’m so far from well behaved but that doesn’t mean I don’t have values! 
    I do believe that causal sex is (quoting my little sister) so last year! I also think that nobody else can tell you when your ready to have sex.
    But I think that these books ,while not too darn bad,
     would make a monk feel sexually frustrated. 

    Yes I know my opinions are all over the map, but that’s how I think.
    I can see good points for each arguement.

  • girlofpages19

    agreed! Ginger was awesome and real as a fantasy movie can be.  I saw maybe 10 episodes of Buffy because I was 11 when it came out. lol

  • hekate

    … if one wants to wait until marriage. There is a big difference between "let’s save sex for marriage" and "let’s get married so we can have sex". In the books, Bella has no interest in marriage, she just wants to have sex. Edward coerces her into marrying him, and then they make hot, passionate, love. It sends a bad message and paints an unrealistic picture, but that’s what the author excels at.

  • littleblue




    If it was just about abstinence,
    that would be one thing.

     

    It should be terribly offensive that
    the birth of the "baby" was so graphically grizzly.  It should
    be offensive that Bella had to be silent for the sake of saving everyone
    else her pain.  It should be offensive that despite Edward’s chastity, the
    responsibility for protecting Bella’s purity still rests upon herbecause Edward
    is such a physical threat, never mind that Bella doesn’t recognize/believe the
    threat and ultimately relies on a notion that he can control himself against
    his protestations that he cannot.  It should be offensive that she must
    be protected from her desire to have sex (as opposed to them deciding
    together one/both of them isn’t yet ready) and that the initial vampire/human
    married mating is violent.

     

    But the grizzliness of the
    birth - there is more to it than just protecting youngsters – making it seem
    bad so they don’t run off themselves and have babies at 16.  Maybe it’s
    because religion paints the pain of childbearing as a punishment for The
    Fall/Original Sin rather than celebrating the feminine principle – that
    immortality really does come through linking generations together like a spiral
    through time with birth/life/death cycle.  It should be offensive the idea
    of physical love is so transforming, when really it’s just abstinence in
    vampire’s clothing that women can’t wear until their safely ensconced in
    marriage (and marriage "sealed" in eternal life).  

     

    What is the most offensive part,
    however, is that Bella never does develop herself outside vampirism as a human
    first.  First she’s infantilized – she’s clumsy, awkward and needs a lot
    of protection and she’s pair-bonded with somebody who’s effectively 100
    years her senior, if only in experience rather than apparent age. Her
    powers and her ethereal beauty come as a reward for bearing children, being
    silent and sweet, and being aligned fully with vampirism, which is a
    metaphor for the patriarchal version of immortality (the priesthood and
    religion).  Vampirism comes along with all the hallmarks of religion -
    patrilineally conferred (at least in Edward’s and
    Bella’s cases), physical (though apparently not material) asceticism, dominion
    over the terrestrial world and god-like abilities, ultimate beauty, and
    mutually rewarding, uninhibited, unrestrained sex.

     

    It should be offensive that Meyers
    has a real dislike for women.  First, all the books fail the Bechdel Test,
    which states that there must be: a- at least two women; b-who talk to each
    other; c-about something besides a man. Meyers in general has a distaste for
    women outside the married and maternal frame. There’s that female werewolf Leah
    who is both bitter and outcast because she’s essentially sterile and her
    "female parts don’t work right". There’s the girl in school whom
    Edward had to read and referred to the act as "condescending low" because
    she was so shallow. There’s Rosalie – snide and bitter because she didn’t
    have a baby.  There’s Rene whom Meyers paints as a joke and as a convenient
    plot device for Bella to be the motherless waif every good fairytale should
    have as well as a role model for devoting oneself to the new family at the
    expense of the natural family.  Then there’s knock-out, luscious
    vampire-Bella who still has to get sexed-up to meet her document forger
    because, if money, fear, or kindness isn’t enough to get what you want,
    sex-appeal sure will be.  The only female characters Meyers has any
    affection for are Alice and Esmee, and only because they are relatively asexual
    and represent the Good Mother figures (ie: fairy godmother types who are
    maternal and bestow female grace (like knowing how to dress and entertain)).

     

    Yeah… so… it’s not just the
    abstinence thing.

     

    On another note, I have no idea why the post won’t format correctly.

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