Birthers and Anti-Choicers: One and the Same?


If you haven’t flipped on a TV for the past couple of weeks, you may be blissfully ignorant, but alas the rest of the country and most of the world has been subjected to the mainstreaming of a racist conspiracy nicknamed “birtherism”, which is the belief that Barack Obama is faking his birth certificate and therefore citizenship, and is secretly disqualified to be President.  Birthers claim that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. (he was born in Honolulu), and interestingly, they ignore the fact that all the Constitution requires is that the President be a natural-born citizen, which means any child born in 1961 of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama would have been a citizen, even if they were born on the moon.  But trying to argue with birthers is a lot like trying to argue with….anti-choicers, actually.  And the splashing of birther conspiracy theories all over the place is cluing your average American into some unpleasant aspects of movement conservatism that those of us who’ve tangled with the anti-choice movement have known for a long time. 

Is it fair to compare anti-choice nuttery to birther conspiracy theories?  Well, of course.  First of all, there’s a great deal of overlap between birthers and anti-choicers.  Certainly, politicians think both groups are one and the same people.  James Inhofe, one of the most outspoken and aggressive anti-choicers in the Senate, obviously believes his base wants to hear about how birthers have a "point", even though it takes roughly two sentences and a quick perusal of the Constitution to point that this is impossible.  But maybe he’s reading the same data I am, that shows that 63% of Republicans are "pro-life" and 58% are somewhere on the birther scale.  And just as anti-choice sentiment is strongest in the South and Midwest, birtherism is as well. 

With that in mind, I made a list of aspects of movement conservatism that you’re probably learning about the birther movement that you would have known already if you had followed the anti-choice movement closely.

Truth is considered a mere obstacle between them and their goals.  For ordinary Americans struggling to understand the birthers, the most frustrating thing about them must be their utter contempt for evidence, reality, or any form of inconvenient truth.  No matter how many times birthers are shown pictures of Obama’s birth certificate, no matter how many times they’re reminded that Obama is a citizen both through his birth geography and his mother’s citizenship, no matter how many people call them cranks—they do not care.  Reality is unimportant, compared to what they believe.

Pro-choicers recognize this tendency well, since it’s a defining trait of the anti-choice movement.  The lies pile up so fast with anti-choicers it’s hard to keep up: That there’s no such thing as a medically necessary abortion. That abortion causes breast cancer.  That contraception is the reason couples divorce.  That the birth control works by aborting a pregnancy. That condoms aren’t effective at preventing the spread of HIV.  Honestly, if you want to know how movement conservatives got so good at ignoring inconvenient truths, I’d say that they cut their teeth in many ways in opposing reproductive rights.

Racism is the unspoken motivator. Interestingly, movement conservatives aren’t just obsessed with the circumstances of Obama’s birth when they’re wearing their birther hats.  For a long time now, anti-choicers have dwelt upon an obsessive insistence, against all evidence, that Obama’s mother wanted to abort her pregnancy, and was merely prevented by illegal abortion. Catholic Vote has done an ad implying this, and going so far as to call Obama’s mother a “single mother”, even though she was married to his father when he was born. And, as I document in last week’s podcast, the myth reached the House floor when Representative Todd Tiahrt claimed that Obama is here only due to the unavailability of abortion in 1961.  He also said the same thing about Clarence Thomas, in case there was any doubt about what he was hinting at.

There’s no reason to think that Obama’s mother wanted an abortion in 1961 and was forced to have a baby against her will.  Yes, she was young and pregnant when she got married, but that was the custom in that era.  The only difference between her and most young mothers/wives of that era was the racial make-up of her marriage.  Thus, the ready assumption that she was eager to abort is no doubt based in the conservative belief that interracial relationships are seedy.

Similarly, Obama is far from the first presidential candidate that’s both a Democrat and has a parent that’s a non-native citizen. Both of Michael Dukakis’s parents were immigrants from Greece, but unlike with Obama, right wingers didn’t start early on in the campaign trying to sue to stop him from being eligible for office.  It’s not that they liked his policies one bit better, but they did prefer his skin color.

Odious positions don’t go away, they just morph into something more media-friendly.  While the anti-choice movement is motivated primarily by a desire to control sex and stomp out women’s liberation, they realize that this position isn’t going to fly over well with a public that enjoys sex and households that rely on female income.  That’s why they came up with The Almighty Fetus as a way to spin it.  They’re not interested in driving women into the home and stomping out non-approved sex—despite their anti-contraception activism—oh no, it’s about the pure love of fetal life!  In the same way, you’re beginning to see the leadership in the conservative movement cast around for ways to keep the issue alive, while covering up the true ugliness of its proponents’ motivations. Their efforts might seem inadequate now, but I imagine over time and testing, they’ll find a cover story that words as well as fetal love is working for people who like to scream as sexually active women entering clinics.

Everything’s a conspiracy.  Unable to face up to the fact that doctors provide abortions for the mundane reason that female patients ask for them, anti-choicers have concocted an elaborate conspiracy theory about how abortion is an “industry” based around tricking women into getting abortions for profit. Like all conspiracy theorists, they take evidence against the theory as if it were evidence that the network of conspirators is vast.  So, if you Jane Blogger point out that Planned Parenthood is a non-profit that helps patients avoid abortion through contraception, the anti-choicer will assume you’re part of the conspiracy and argue that contraception is part of the abortion conspiracy.

The birther conspiracy theory works the same way—pointing out evidence and logical arguments only expands the size and scope of the conspiracy in the minds of birthers.   In fact the “Obama faked his birth certificate and was born outside of the U.S.” theory apparently erupted in part from an earlier conspiracy theory over Obama’s middle name.  With birthers, as with anti-choicers, more evidence of reality just gets them further into the thick of imagining even more complex and strange conspiracies.  And just as the anti-choicers have moved on to concocting theories about how Planned Parenthood is part of a child sex ring that they’re covering up, I suspect the birther thing may grow in ways that are frightening in their complexity and lack of touch with reality.

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  • invalid-0

    LOL at this article. Birthers = anti-choice?

    Firstly, the term birther is a derogatory slur. These people are merely looking to uphold the Constitution. I guess you are against that.

    That said, those you deem “birthers”, are skeptical of Obama. They feel it is HE that represents anti-choice through his Socialist ideology. They are looking to protect their freedom of choice by protecting the Constitution, which is what makes your article so laughable.

    Lastly, race is not an issue here, other than being used by Obama supporters to demonize his opponents. If you are going to comment on the issue of Obama’s eligibility, try some facts as opposed to the devious anti-free press propaganda you are currently spinning.

    The truth will come out eventually so if you want to save any credibility at all I suggest you open your eyes. It’s not easy though I appreciate for a paid shill. Are you friends with David Weigel by any chance? Get the same shill briefing pack did you?

    :)

  • invalid-0

    Congrats on an excellent piece that gets at the strategic similarities between these two conservative movements. I hope it helps some people who can easily see through the birther nonsense to also understand what the pro-choice movement has had to face with belligerant lies. These lies grow like toxic magic rocks, despite the facts. The building of ill-logic is extremely hard to dismantle, but your comparision is a perfect way to start the conversation. Thanks.

  • amanda-marcotte

    I really don’t know what else to say, but that if you think this is a defense of your position, I’d recommend returning to the drawing board.

  • amanda-marcotte

    You do realize that even if Obama was born on the moon, his mother confers citizenship status on him, right?

  • invalid-0

    I don’t trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want two answers.

    1) Why can’t we see his long-form? Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

    and most disturbingly,

    2) Why don’t BHO’s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

    OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

  • http://bitchphd.blogspot.com invalid-0

    I hate to give the birthers even a smidgen of credit, but it may actually matter whether he was born on “American soil” or not. Of course, he was clearly born in Hawaii, so it’s moot. But as someone born overseas to an American mother, I have researched the issue out of curiosity. As it turns out, it doesn’t seem that the Supreme Court has actually determined whether someone born abroad to an American citizen is a “natural-born citizen.” Since that phrase is used basically nowhere else but in that clause, it hasn’t really been litigated. This is not to say that someone born abroad to an American mother is not a “natural-born citizen,” but it’s by no means settled that they are.

    But if you have some info to the contrary, I’d love to see it so I can ramp up my presidential ambitions.

  • invalid-0

    Great article Amanda, as you state, unfortunately, anti-choicers and birthers are anti-truth, so it seems that nothing you say will get them to stop believing lives…why can’t we focus on helping Americans get health care, good education, good jobs….not this whole “show me the birth certificate!!!!!!” crap…. he was born in the USA, let’s move on…

  • http://bamoon.com invalid-0

    I really hoped to find more Birther comments here. It’s been an otherwise slow morning for me on the internet.

    But the two Birther comments so far are pretty juicy! Nevermind the birth certificate, they cry – SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

    It’s like the old trope that Eskimos have more than one word for snow; Birthers (and anti-choicers) use the same words we do but they seem to have a different meaning for them. So weird.

    Thanks, Amanda, for making the underlying illogic of both movements clear.

  • invalid-0

    These people are merely looking to uphold the Constitution. I guess you are against that. That said, those you deem “birthers”, are skeptical of Obama. They feel it is HE that represents anti-choice through his Socialist ideology.

    Normal people say “I don’t like Obama’s policies” and vote against him. They don’t go on a wild goose chase trying to prove he’s not a natural-born citizen against all evidence (and sanity).

    They are looking to protect their freedom of choice by protecting the Constitution, which is what makes your article so laughable.

    Oh, we’re laughing, all right. Not at the article.

    Lastly, race is not an issue here, other than being used by Obama supporters to demonize his opponents.

    Suuuurrrre, race isn’t an issue. A Black man in the Oval Office is no big deal for you, is it?

    If you are going to comment on the issue of Obama’s eligibility, try some facts as opposed to the devious anti-free press propaganda you are currently spinning. The truth will come out eventually so if you want to save any credibility at all I suggest you open your eyes.

    I’d draw an X-Files parallel here, but that would only denigrate the credibility of UFO/paranormal investigators, and elevate yours.

  • invalid-0

    Mr. LeBlanc, this has been touched on in the news somewhat (before the last election and all this birther crap) with respect to Arnold Schwartzenegger and his presidential ambitions. He doesn’t meet the “natural-born citizen” requirement, as I recall, but the talk has been on potential legislation to ease that requirement. So that we can end up with a White House as depicted in the Simpsons Movie :-)

  • http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com invalid-0

    Are the Humiliating Comment-makers Netizens CHICOM or just ACORN?
    Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
    Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they’ve been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
    There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They’re paid about $.25 each, I’ve read.
    Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”
    That’s what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the Chinese have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
    The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland?
    But the CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time. They’ve apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies (Remember what they did on 6/6/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0′s Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he’s actually the Anti-Christ (Imagine the desired reactions.) That his name, “Barrack Obama,” means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527
    This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”

    • http://www.stealthbadger.net/ invalid-0

      I clicked through to your website to stock up on more stupid (this recession is killing the market, yanno), but it’s still under construction. Don’t you know that if you’re going to go crazy on the interwebz, you gotta have a deep presence to back it up???

      Okay, maybe I’m a little too into schadenfreude.

    • http://www.stealthbadger.net/ invalid-0

      GOOD GOD MAN, PARAGRAPHS! HTML! THE <A HREF> TAG!

      THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS!!!

  • invalid-0

    ACORN operatives? Oh noes, more scary black people!

    Fun times.

  • invalid-0

    *points and laughs* derogatory slur? OH NOES. you’re being oppressed!

  • invalid-0

    also, i call FUNDIE BINGO! did you cobble this together from various right wing sites?

  • invalid-0

    LoneCracker is that you?

  • invalid-0

    In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away their rights) and that’s who they need to focus on if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

    In the same vein, to all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess he fooled them too?

  • crowepps

    That said, those you deem "birthers", are skeptical of Obama. They feel it is HE that represents anti-choice through his Socialist ideology.

    I find this kind of puzzling.  Are you saying that if the facts of his parentage, birthplace and citizenship were exactly the same BUT his was a conservative Republican, then nobody would be making a fuss?

     

    If so, you’re not "protecting the Constitution" – you have been duped by a propaganda ploy based in the idea that ‘liberals’ can’t possibly be real citizens.

  • crowepps

    You do realize that Obama doesn’t HAVE the long form certificate, right?  That it is a government document in the possession of the Department of Vital Records in Hawaai?  You do realize that at the time all this documentation including the newspaper notices posted by the State were created that he was a little baby?

     

    I’ve just got to ask — why didn’t all these questions come up in reference to the fact that the Republican candidate, McCain, was born in Panama?

    • invalid-0

      Crowepps, this issue came up with McCain. Just to make sure there were no questions, the Senate passed a friendly, unanimous resolution (110-511) to affirm that although McCain was born outside the U.S., he was nonetheless a “natural born citizen.”

      Because both of McCain’s parents were citizens, the resolution predictably reads “was born to American citizens.”

      Since nobody in the Senate foresaw the ludicrous progression of the birther movement, nobody felt the need to pass a similar resolution for Obama.

      Now, the birthers use the plural “s” in “was born to American citizens” in the McCain citizenship resolution as a “proof” that Obama, with one parent who was a citizen, is ineligible to be president.

      From the premise “if A, then B” the birthers draw the conclusion “if not A then not B,” which as anyone who was paying attention in 10th grade, or who has a working brain, can understand to be failing logic. Surprise, surpise, right…?

  • crowepps

    Pointing out that people who are refuse all actual evidence and can’t be convinced are being ‘stupid’ is one of two things:

     * an elaborate well-financed plot involving the godless commies, evil community activists and the anti-Christ; OR

     * the truth.

     

    Judging by this post, it’s the second.

  • amanda-marcotte

    Born in Panama?  The Constitution states simply that you have to be a natural-born citizen, which is defined elsewhere as born to a citizen or on American soil.  If the courts really find that confusing, I’m confused, but since McCain’s right to run wasn’t called into question, I assumed it was a done deal.

  • amanda-marcotte

    What’s scary is that you read this comment, and you think, "Well, surely a slim minority of people believe this crap."  And then you find out that only 25% of white Southerners will admit that Obama was born in the U.S. and this sort of ranting starts to seem like it’s all to common.

  • invalid-0

    This guy is about one episode away from telling us about the evil CHICOMS who put radio bugs in his fillings to spy on him.

  • crowepps

    I can understand and sympathize with people who don’t know the facts and who when the facts are provided to them through education are willing to reconsider their worldview.  I find people who assume that their worldview IS the facts and who reject all information which doesn’t align with it really scary.

     

    It isn’t possible to explain or educate or deprogram these people, because the fact that this is even being attempted is ‘further proof that the conspiracy is true’.  It sure seems to me this proportion of the population has been encouraged and increasing and their anti-education, anti-science, anti-freedom views are very threatening to the continuance of our republic.

  • invalid-0

    I think medication might help your paranoia. You have some serious problems, dude.

  • colleen

    Are the Humiliating Comment-makers Netizens CHICOM or just ACORN?

     

    Good question. I think they’re probably MOSSAD.

     

    That his name, "Barrack Obama," means "Antichrist," in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke,

     

     Thank you so much for this information.

     

     

     

    The only difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8,000 miles.

    Dr Warren Hern, MD

  • invalid-0

    “TH’ REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTIN’ GONORRHEA IN MAH SANDWICHES!!”

    – Jon Stewart, making fun of Ross Perot in 1992

  • invalid-0

    I have reason to believe, based on his socialist ideology, that Barack Obama is not human. Therefore he is unqualified to be President, as the Constitution clearly excludes non-humans (or I’m sure it would if I read it).

    I hereby demand that Obama take a DNA test to prove his membership in homo sapiens sapiens. Why not? It’s simple, and by not doing so, he needlessly raises suspicions about his humanity. I for one don’t want to be ruled by an extraterrestrial.

    • therealistmom

      … welcome our new reptile overlords.

       

      C’mon, it had to be said! And it makes mroe sense than what the Birthers are spewing.

  • invalid-0

    There’s plenty of nutjobs on both sides. I read a great article on RealClearPolitics today comparing Republican “birthers” to Democratic “9/11 truthers.” The percentages are quite similar- and disturbingly high.

    That said, Planned Parenthood as “part of a child sex ring” is a far different accusation than “PP is not complying with statutory rape reporting laws, and we have videotape.” Women are not pro-life because they are against women’s liberation. I respect your opinion, but being inflammatory isn’t helpful. We already have more than enough of that.

  • invalid-0

    I don’t respect your anti-woman opinions.

  • invalid-0

    .

  • invalid-0

    hat his name, “Barrack Obama,” means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew in the Book of Luke

    People, there is no such thing as “ancient Hebrew.” There’s Biblical Hebrew, which is different from modern Hebrew, but not so different: a reasonably educated Israeli 12-year-old can understand 80% of what s/he’s reading.

    And no, “Barack Obama” does not mean Antichrist in any type of Hebrew. “Barack” means “lightning” and “Obama” means nothing. “Bama” means “stage,” though, so maybe he’s the Special Effects Antichrist, and makes lightning noises on stage.

    Or something.

    – An Israeli who actually SPEAKS HEBREW rather than making ridiculous claims about it.

  • invalid-0

    McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was a US military installation at the time. So he wasn’t technically born in a foreign country. I think his situation is like Barry Goldwater, born in the Arizona Territory, who ran for president in (I think) 1964. According to this article in the NYT McCain’s campaign was expecting a possible challenge to his eligibility, which everyone expected him to win. It never materialized because, well, the crazies were on his side.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

    The article also says that the law which establishes children of US citizens born in other countries as “natural born citizens” might not be constitutional, but hasn’t been tested.

    • crowepps

      Well, yes, actually "technically" he was born in a foreign country on a piece of land which we were renting from the foreign country for the purpose of having a military base there.  Personally, I think any baby born the child of an American citizen ANYWHERE is a citizen, because that’s the way citizenship works, you ‘inherit’ the citizenship of your parents.

       

      Perhaps the reason the law hasn’t been tested because until recently there weren’t a lot of people around who were too stupid to grasp that "natural born" is a term used as the opposite of "naturalized" or "immigrant" and that the purpose of including it in the Constitution was to make sure that some Johnny-come-lately didn’t get on a boat in London as an adult, come over with an important name and a lot of money and shove aside the founding fathers and those who won the Revolution.

  • invalid-0

    I only found out this quackery was still around a couple days ago. But even as a non-citizen, these ‘arguments’ are so patently ridiculous that it’s hard to believe anyone would believe them.

  • invalid-0
  • invalid-0

    There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They’re paid about $.25 each, I’ve read. Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,” That’s what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the Chinese have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.

    EVERYTHING I DO AND EVERYTHING I TRY… NEVER TURNS OUT
    IT’S LIKE… I NEED SOME TIME… TO FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT
    BUT THERE’S ALWAYS SOMEONE THERE GOING

    “Well you know if you want to talk about it I’ll be here you know and you’ll probably feel a lot better if you talk about it. So why don’t you talk about it?”

    THEY JUST KEEP BUGGIN ME
    THEY JUST KEEP BUGGIN ME
    THEY JUST KEEP BUGGIN ME IT BUILDS UP INSIDE
    !!!!

  • invalid-0

    I heard was born on planet Negritude, the seventh moon around the seventh planet. I heard that he has a psychic voodoo link with Bill Ayers. I heard he’s the Black Dada Nihilismus to the googleplex. I heard he flew to Earth in a giant levitating bone with laser headlights. I heard he was raised by Communist Muslim wolves. I’ve even heard that he’s a peace candidate, but come on, that shit is ridiculous.

  • amanda-marcotte

    When you think about it, that the people "just trying to uphold the Constitution" would do so by attacking a man who has two claims to native citizenship and ignoring a man who likely only has the one.

  • amanda-marcotte

    "Planned Parenthood is not complying with the law" is the sort of dog whistle cleaning up job I patiently explained right wingers do with conspiracy theories, to make them sound sane enough to get them on TV and confirm what the nutters suspect.  You see Fox do a story about an anti-woman/anti-health care sting in Planned Parenthood, and the audience is supposed to know that this is PROOF that they’re running a CHILD SEX RING.

  • airina

    That’s really cool!  How *would* one say ‘Antichrist’ in Hebrew, do you know?

     

    -An American Jew and language geek who wishes she knew more than a few scattered Hebrew words

    • invalid-0

      The literal translation would be “neged mashiach” which means “anti Christ” (translating “Christ” as “messiah”).

      The cultural translation would be “mashiach sheker,” which means False Messiah – and Jewish sources have a few warnings about such guys as well :-). We actually have some documented False Messiahs who popped up now and then (like Shabtai Ben Zvi: http://www.answers.com/topic/sabbatai-zevi)

  • invalid-0

    It’s intellectually dishonest to bring it up wrt McCain because I have no doubts about his eligibility. On the other hand, I have no doubts about Obama’s either, so fair’s fair.

    • http://crissa.twu.net/ invalid-0

      What?

  • invalid-0

    The “Book of Luke,” if he means what I think he means, was written in Greek.

  • http://crassroom.blogspot.com invalid-0

    Thanks Amanda and thanks for all your work to keep the abortion debate alive. With all the other concerns Americans have these days, it’s easy for older debates to slip under the waves, but we should remember that the right to have an abortion is always under assault, both legally and illegally.

    For those that are interested in one abortion doctor’s story on the harassment she’s endured as a result of her profession, read This Common Secret by Susan Wicklund. It’s a great read and is hard to put down.

  • invalid-0

    That’s a whole lotta crazy, there. Whew!

  • invalid-0

    Thus, the ready assumption that she was eager to abort is no doubt based in the conservative belief that interracial relationships are seedy.

    Racism is the unspoken motivator.

    While the anti-choice movement is motivated primarily by a desire to control sex and stomp out women’s liberation…

  • invalid-0

    So far, silly Lucille, there are no conspiracy theories in any of the quotes you listed. Anti-choicers being about controlling women has nothing to do with a conspiracy, just underlying ideology.

    Do try to understand words before you use them. Mkay?

  • http://www.dogspetsmeds.com/ invalid-0

    Congrats on an excellent piece that gets at the strategic similarities between these two conservative movements. I hope it helps some people who can easily see through the birther nonsense to also understand what the pro-choice movement has had to face with belligerant lies. These lies grow like toxic magic rocks, despite the facts. The building of ill-logic is extremely hard to dismantle, but your comparision is a perfect way to start the conversation. Thanks.

  • albertf

    The economy is really in vein, and there shouldn’t really be any negotiation to the upset. We need to heal the economic crisis we are in nothing more to make money online.

  • hatmaker510

    Thanks so much, Amanda, for the article I’ve been waiting for! I’ve been making the same argument myself, but you’ve wrapped it all up more succinctly than I was able to. Your ideas, choice of words, and reasoning are sound, logical, and clear. Your point about reality is the very reason these folks can’t take part in any discussion, argument, or debate. Take for example the birther comments here – in trying to argue their (laughable) position, they are actually proving YOUR point! And they don’t even see it!

    I’ll be passing your piece along and hope others do so, too. Hopefully those who didn’t realize this before will see it now.

    Excellent piece of writing. Thanks, again.

    Melissa