Crisis of Deception: Fake Clinics Spread Misinformation on the Federal Dime


This special report on Crisis Pregnancy Centers is a joint project of RH Reality Check, the Feminist Majority Foundation and Stuart Productions. A must-watch video accompanies this story, and can be viewed below. These three organizations will be joined by Advocates for Youth and the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) for an audio press conference on crisis pregnancy centers on Wednesday, July 8th 2009.

This week and next, the powerful House Appropriations Labor Health and Human Services (HHS) Committee is conducting hearings on its FY 2010 spending bill.

President Obama has made his intentions clear. The President’s FY 2010 budget calls for a return to science-based initiatives and an end to federal funding for abstinence-only education programs.

The question is will Congress follow his lead?

As women’s and comprehensive sexual health care advocates, we hope so.


Hunter Stuart takes a close look at “crisis pregnancy centers,” some of which are federally funded, that often give out inaccurate medical information, prosthelytize and use shame and scare tactics when counseling women.

For eight years the Bush Administration and Congress funneled $1 billion-plus to failed abstinence-only-until-marriage programs.

Even after the Democrats assumed control of the House, Appropriations Committee Chair David Obey (D-WI-7) managed to direct more and more fistfuls of cash to the abstinence-only education industry.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Service’s own commissioned report on federally funded abstinence-only education programs concluded they do not delay the onset of sexual activity. In other words, they don’t work. The report found that young people educated under abstinence-only curricula are more likely than their peers to think condoms don’t help prevent sexually transmitted infections (STIs) including HIV, Chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes and HPV.

The National Abstinence Education Association (NAEA) recently published a letter on its website for its supporters to send to Representative Obey beseeching him to continue funding abstinence-only education.

The letter states:

“…the President’s (budget) request would remove an important primary prevention skill-building message to 2.5 million students each year. With 1 in 4 teen girls having at least 1 STD and the teen birth rate beginning to inch upward, it is vital that teens receive skills that will equip them to make the healthiest choice for their sexual health. Only abstinence education provides these skills.”

A whopper of a conclusion – given the evidence, given the facts, given the truth. This is the definition of Non Sequitur.

Their concern about rising teen pregnancy rates and STI’s strikes us as disingenuous given where the money’s been going.

So-called crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs) or fake clinics have received a substantial portion of abstinence-only federal appropriations. In fact, the number of these bogus clinics has dramatically increased because of it.

Among the most cynical of medical charades, CPCs simulate the appearance of comprehensive women’s health care facilities. While advertising under “abortion services,” CPCs routinely lure young women – especially targeting women college students and low-income women — into their facilities with offers of free pregnancy tests and “options counseling.”

In reality, a vast number of CPCs promote scientific and medical fallacies about the consequences of abortion and birth control to intimidate women out of seeking these services. These lies range from the most outrageous — that abortion causes breast cancer and suicide — to the most irresponsible – that condoms will not protect you from HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted infections.

These claims are blatantly false.

The National Cancer Institute and World Health Organization definitively state there is no link between abortion and breast cancer.

As noted on the NCI website, for example:

[O]ver several decades a considerable amount of research has been and continues to be conducted to determine whether having an induced abortion, or a miscarriage (also known as spontaneous abortion), influences a woman’s chances of developing breast cancer later in life.

In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute
(NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts
who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants
reviewed existing population-based, clinical,
and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast
cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions.
They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase
a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. A summary of
their findings, titled Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop, can be found at http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinfo/ere-workshop-report.

Multiple studies, including one released last summer by the American Psychological Association, confirm there is no credible evidence between an elective abortion and mental health problems.

And, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the consistent use of condoms is a highly effective method of preventing HIV/AIDS in addition to helping reduce the risk of transmission for many sexually transmitted infections.

The flagrant deceit documented in the video accompanying this article will shock most people – regardless of their political persuasion.

A review of the websites of some of the largest CPC recipients of federal funding reveals these centers perpetuate these offensive, ideologically-driven misrepresentations and scare tactics thanks to the public dole.

One federally funded CPC feigns to offer “…accurate and factual information about your pregnancy options” online.

But listed under Risk #1-Breast Cancer, the first of the ‘documented medical risks’ of abortion, the website falsely claims “…there is credible evidence to link abortion to (breast) cancer,” and “Abortion interrupts the natural process of breast development, leaving the breast with more cells that can become cancerous.”

Under Risk #4 – Suicide, the website misleadingly states, “Research shows there is an increased risk of self-harm, suicide attempts and suicide (twice as likely) for women who have had an abortion.”

Finally, under the heading “Spiritual/ Moral Consequences,” the website ominously declares, “Having an abortion may affect more than just your body and your mind – it may have an impact on your relationship with God.”

So what is it going to be?

Will Congress continue to place the health and lives of young women (and men) on the line by pumping millions of dollars into failed abstinence-only education programs while almost half of the 19 million new sexually transmitted infections occurring each year are among young people ages 15-24?

Will more taxpayer dollars go to fake women’s health clinics while scientifically and medically-proven family planning programs continue to be grossly under-funded?

Will we continue to subsidize facilities that may frighten women with misinformation and lies?

The time is now to stop this crisis of deception.
Take action today and tell House Appropriations Committee Chair Rep. David Obey we can’t afford to continue funding for abstinence-only education programs–including fake clinics–that are harming our young women and men.

Take action today and tell House Appropriations Committee Chair Rep. David Obey we can’t afford to continue funding for abstinence-only education programs, including fake clinics, that are harming our young women and men.

Or call Representative Obey’s office directly at 202-225-3365 and urge him to end abstinence-only education funding in the Labor HHS FY 2010 budget.

There is no time to waste.

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  • on-the-issues-magazine

    See this story at On The Issues Magazine for info on CPC Watch, an organization that works to fight the spread of misinformation….thus empowering women.

    http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/2009winter/cafe2/article/39

    • invalid-0

      Thank you for posting that link. I have found through my research an even more serious threat to the rights of women in the U.S.

      Do you know that millions of females (of which most women are comprised) have been systematically destroyed before ever taking a single breath?

      Most women would be outraged to know this (and many are), but ironically, hundreds of thousands of females are fighting to ensure the demise of their own gender because the other females are, and hold your breath here: “unwanted.”

      Their crime is being “unwanted” and “owned” by another female. They are not people. They are worthless pieces of tissue to be disposed of because they’re “parts” of the woman who can do whatever she wants with them.

      Aren’t you mad about all of these females being killed?

  • crowepps

    Clinic is a word of art denoting a place that provides medical care. No organization should use the word clinic in their title unless they actually DO provide medical care. If they provide medical care, they should be licensed by the State and be obligated to observe the appropriate medical standards, HIPPA regulations and do the necessary reporting.

    I think Crisis Pregnancy Centers that provide girls and women with real economic and counseling assistance in handling unexpected pregnancies can do a lot of good by providing needed support to people who are in a tough spot. Nevertheless, they should NOT BE federally funded unless the money is used to hire professional social workers and there are guarantees that they provide accurate scientific information. Untrained volunteers who feel compelled to interfere in other people’s lives should raise their own support privately.

  • invalid-0

    Disturbing indeed. This position against proper sex education particularly bothers me. I’m from Canada and the sex ed program at my school always emphasized that abstinence is the only %100 effective form of birth control, the thing is that they also gave us the proper information on birth control and STIs so that if we were to choose not to abstain we would still be able to handle sex responsibly. This idea that keeping information from teens will prevent them from making mistakes confounds me. That’s why I’m so glad that websites like this exist. Keep up the good work!

  • progo35

    Honestly, i think that this is more of a matter of “my team must win” than legitimate concern for pregnant women. Many CPCs do give out accurate information AND provide educational, economic, personal and spiritual support for women experiencing a crisis pregnancy.

  • invalid-0

    I’m so glad someone is finally turning the tables on Lila Rose and sneaking cameras into these “Crisis Pregnancy Centers.” I don’t want any of my tax dollars to go to these places that don’t provide any medical care to young women, but rather lie to them and use religious arguments to try to guilt them out of having abortions, which remember, are perfectly legal in the United States! Through the Hyde Amendment, Congress has seen to it that no tax money can go to pay for abortions. It is only fair that no tax money should go to pay for the anti-choice movement.

    • invalid-0

      Lila Rose is showing how poor of a job Planned Parenthood does at protecting women. Sorry if it hurts, but the truth often does that.

      Its funny how YouTube allows these pro-abort videos, but won’t allow Lila’s on there. Seems pro-aborts are the ones that are intolerant, insensitive and anti-choice.

      Guess it makes sense as they believe killing an innocent pre-born human and taking away every subsequent choice they will ever have is ethically correct.

  • invalid-0

    And by the way, where are all the trolls that usually pounce on everything posted on this blog? They are really quiet about this issue. Could it be that they know it’s true that CPCs lie to women–and they think that’s okay because the ends (saving the “babies”) justify the means (lying and deceiving women)? Hmmm?

  • invalid-0

    when you have something more substantial to contribute (data to back up your claims… actual examples of a CPC that does anything more than scare vunerable women… etc.)
    come back on and comment.
    So this entire site, dedicated to reproductive health at ALL stages for women – regardless of the choices they make – helping them to understand their rights at all stages is a “my side must win” huh?
    You are incredibly ignorant.

    • invalid-0

      I am one of several licensed practitioners providing free medical care at a Pregnancy Resource Center in Washington State. Women with unintended pregnancies receive early prenatal care and other supportive services, including assistance obtaining state medical benefits and referral for ongoing care.

      The video “report” implied that telling women about the association between abortion and increased risk of suicide is a scare tactic. What the report dodges is the fact that the association is well-documented in the scientific literature. The video is quite cleverly scripted – it raises concern that women are being told scary and upsetting things, it just neglects to mention which ones are true. Women have a right to know what they are doing, and to whom, when they have an abortion – including the long term consequences. This includes, by the way, the of increased rates of prematurity with subsequent pregnancies.

      Soderberg, H., Janzon, L. & Sjoberg, N. (1998) Emotional distress following induced abortion.
      Gissler, M., Hemminki, E., and Lonnqvist, J. (1996) Suicides after pregnancy in Finland, 1987-94: Register linkage. British Medical Journal 313:1-11.
      Gilchrist, A.,Hannaford,P., Frank,P.,and Kay,C.(1995) Termination of pregnancy and psychiatric morbidity. British Journal of Psychiatry 167:243-248.

      • invalid-0

        Sorry midwife2moms, you are wrong.

        The American Psychological Association Task on Mental Health and Abortion recently completed a comprehensive review of the best empirical evidence about mental health and abortion. The APA Task Force concluded that the best evidence shows that among women with an unplanned pregnancy, women who have a single, first-trimester abortion are not at greater risk for mental health problems than if they deliver that pregnancy. Furthermore, another comprehensive evaluation showed that when you look at the quality of the studies, the best done studies (based on objective standards)show there is not an increase in mental illness, while it is the more *poorly done* studies that do show an association.

        Unfortunately, you have gotten your info from someone who has taken the flimsier studies, exaggerated their significance, and ignored the best studies because they don’t like the results. Or it may simply be that the person/group that gave you your information simply doesn’t understand how to evaluate research for strength of evidence very well. (You may want to take an epidemiology course to learn how to do this yourself, especially if your goal is giving women accurate info).

        Also, the alleged link to breast cancer has been thoroughly debunked.

        Here are some references for your education:

        1. American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (2009) ACOG (American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology) Committee Opinion: Induced Abortion and Breast Cancer Risk. Obstet Gynecol 113 (6): pp 1417-1418.

        2. Beral V, Bull D, Doll R, Peto R, Reeves G, & Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer (2004) Breast cancer and abortion: Collaborative reanalysis of data from 53 epidemiological studies, including 83,000 women with breast cancer from 16 countries. Lancet, 363(9414), 1007-1016.

        3. Charles VE, Polis CB, Sridhara, SK, Blum RW (2008) Abortion and long-term mental health outcomes: A systematic review of the evidence. Contraception, 78(6), 436-450.

        4. Major B, Appelbaum M, Beckman L, Dutton M, Russo, NF, West C (2008) Report of the APA Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion. 08/13/08. http://www.apa.org/releases/abortion-report.pdf . Accessed 8 July 2009.

        PS. I am a physician who has completed additional training and obtained a Master’s in Public Health.

      • invalid-0

        As an adopted child whose birth mother was 18 years old at the time of her pregnancy, I can report my family’s experience first hand. I met my two biological sisters and my birth mother’s husband a few years ago. My birth mother was murdered in 1998, so I did not have the opportunity to meet her. When my birth mother Kim became unexpectedly pregnant, she did not want to have an abortion. She went to Catholic Social Services for counseling and ended up choosing to place me for adoption, which has been a blessing for both me and my family, who were unable to have their own biological children. But Kim suffered every day after my adoption. She could not bear to even see me after I was born, she cried every year on my birthday, she had depression related to giving up her child, she became bulemic, her marriage (about 2 years after my birth) collapsed due to her emotional problems, and she started dating a man while she was legally separated and when they were drinking, they got in a fight and he shot her. One of my biological sisters hardly even has memories of her because her childhood was so difficult due to these issues. I do not have a big report that disproves anything said about emotional distress/depression/suicide due to having an abortion, but I would argue that it may relate to the unexpected and unwanted pregnancy that is the primary distress, not the abortion, adoption, raising a child, etc.

      • invalid-0

        Thank you for your concisely written, factual comments.

        Pro-Aborts don’t know how to handle facts as is obvious from the fact that there is no rebuttal to this information.

        Here’s the biggest fact: Abortion kills one human.

        If a mom can have an abortion and kill her own child and not feel bad about it (which they ALL do eventually), then I feel even worse for the kind of human she has become.

        The good news for moms who have made that choice is that there is forgiveness in faith in God. Where are the abortion clinic post abortion counselors. They don’t exist because they can’t look abortion in the eye for the truth that it is.

  • invalid-0

    Breast cancer is higher among women who have their first baby after age 20 rather than before age 20. The older the woman is when she has her first baby, the higher the risk. If a 16 year old has an abortion and then doesn’t have her first baby till she is 28, her risk has gone from about 8% to about 15%, which nearly doubles her breast cancer risk from high to extremely high. Studies show that women who have ever had an abortion have a higher incidence of breast cancer because abortion is most common among women who are young and have not had their first baby, thereby delaying the birth of the first baby. Most women do not get breast cancer. Most women who have abortions do not get breast cancer. Most women who do not have abortions do not get breast cancer. However women who have had an abortion are more likely to get breast cancer because they are more likely to delay the birth of their first baby. Women should be told that delaying the first baby increases their risk of breast cancer from high to extremely high. It is only fair to inform women of their risks whether they are pregnant or not. It should be included in sex ed. curriculum.

    • invalid-0

      SG,

      You are incorrect. Abortion does not affect breast cancer risk (please check the references that I posted for midwife. The ACOG CO explains how the research works).

      All other things being equal, a woman who has no abortions and then has her first child at age 25 has the same risk of breast cancer risk as a woman who had one abortion at age 16 and then had her first child at age 25. They also have the same breast cancer risk as a woman who had three abortions as a teen and then had her first child at age 25. Abortion has nothing to do with it!

      Failing to take advantage of something that will lower your risk of cancer is *not* the same as increasing your risk of cancer. By your twisted logic, you should also be loudly advocating against abstinent behavior because abstinent behavior delays child-bearing that could decrease one’s breast cancer risk. I suspect you are not doing that.

      It is sneaky and dishonest to tell a woman that having an abortion will increase her risk of breast cancer. No matter what your view is about abortion, I would hope that you can agree with us that lying to women who seek medical care is unethical and wrong.

  • invalid-0

    I read the National Vital Statistics Report and found the birth rates for girls ages 15-17 for tbe most recent year available (2006):

    Births to 15-17 year old girls per 1,000

    Mexican Americans 53.9
    Blacks 36.6
    Whites 19.4
    Amerindians 30.7
    Asians 8.8

    Since these are the girls who actually gave birth, it seems they would be likely clients to show up and need baby stuff and counseling, etc. Interestingly the same groups with the highest abortion rates also have the highest birth rates.

  • everysaturdaymorning

    As one of the escorts shown in this video, I regularly hear volunteers from the CPC mislead and lie to clients entering the abortion clinic across the street. They often tell women they (the CPC) are the "doctor" in an effort to divert clients into their facility. This tactic is especially used with non-English speakers. They tell clients they provide free ultrasounds, letting women believe they will save money and time getting one from them. In general they use misinformation and obfuscation to get clients in the door where they are met with religious doctrine and sexual stigma. Thanks for such a well done article and video. 

  • crowepps

    Please let me know if I’m reading too much into your statement but it sounds almost as though you are suggesting that girls and young women should get pregnant and deliver a baby so that they can lower their breast cancer risk.

     

    Maybe I’m picky, but a 15% lifetime risk of a disease is not "extremely high".  Actually, the lifetime risk of breastcancer is less than 13% and 70% of those cases are diagnosed after 50.  What are the other 87%, the women who weren’t going to get breast cancer anyway, supposed to do with those prophylactic infants?

     

    The increased risk from being overweight changes the risk factors more  than when or if a first baby is born.  I’ll agree that everyone should know their disease risks and how to live a healthy lifestyle to decrease those risks, but giving all the students, both male and female, accurate scientific information would be more sensible.

    http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_2X_What_are_the_risk_factors_for_breast_cancer_5.asp

  • crowepps

    Interestingly the same groups with the highest abortion rates also have the highest birth rates.

    That’s because those groups have the highest rates of unwanted pregnancy, and so the proportion who choose one solution or the other would be similar.  I’d bet if you tracked down the figures you would find that the percentages would be similar on knowledge of/access to contraception and sexually transmitted diseases.

  • http://www.cpcwatch.org invalid-0

    So by that logic all women should be scared into marrying young and popping out children? I’m sorry, I’m really not following your logic here.

    But I would like to share what the authorities have to say on the matter (re-share, as it’s linked in the article… great article by the way):
    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage

  • http://www.cpcwatch.org invalid-0

    Well of course that’s true, crowepps

    That’s because contraception is not made widely available, and CPCs aren’t helping. In all the “free services” they provide, the fact that they do not EVER provide or even REFER to ways sexually-active women can PREVENT unplanned pregnancy (and therefore abortion). They promote abstinence-until-marriage only, but one must ask what all us married women who don’t want to have babies should do… hrm, maybe I should give my local CPC a call…

    • crowepps

      CPCs are far more focused on preventing sex than they are on helping women – except of course since they think sex is ‘bad’ (unless there’s a husband involved) from their point of view they are ‘saving’ women from being ‘abused’ by men.  And what married women are supposed to do is "make sex safe, moral and rare" — that’s what Natural Family Planning is all about.

  • invalid-0

    CPC_watcher – scared into ‘marriage’ not necessarily (no impact mentioned), but scared into sex yes. At least that’s what I’m reading from the above.

    • crowepps

      After serving its purpose of lowering her risk of breast cancer, I suppose the infant can just be passed on to one of those "good homes" that the adoption advocates keep saying are out there.  Jiminy Cricket, this has got to be one of the lamest arguments I’ve ever heard.

  • crowepps

    “Billions of our tax dollars go to waste every year because they are given to abortion businesses.”

    If this country was spending BILLIONS of tax dollars on women’s health the abortion rate would plummet. Those billions went to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill both the born and the unborn. Sure weren’t spent around here.

    • invalid-0

      you really think that if we sent more money on women’s health we’d lower the abortion rate. I got pregnant on a birth control and many of my friends. We aren’t dumb, sometimes they don’t work. Seriously, more money on something a women should be spending her own money on. I valued not getting pregnant so I paid for the birth control. If you don’t want to pay then don’t have sex. It’s the cost of having sex plain and simple and I’m not paying for people to refuse to pay for their own actions.

  • http://www.webmasterlabor.com invalid-0

    Talk about using trojan horse tactics… paid for by federal money, too. Sheesh. Regardless of whether you agree with the underlying issue, I think everyone can agree that this deceptive tactic is wrong.

    By the way, crowepps, I agree with you. If BILLIONS were being spent on women’s health issues, abortion would plummet since informed contraception and basic health care would take care of this issue.

  • invalid-0

    I am one of several licensed practitioners providing free medical care at a Pregnancy Resource Center in Washington State.

    Licensed to do what? And what CPC do you work at?

  • rachel-walden

    Just a few notes on those citations (sorry, this will be a bit long):

     

    Soderberg is a case control study designed to identify differences between women who did and did not experience emotional distress following induced abortion. It is not designed to detect whether those women experienced emotional distress at a rate greater than that of women in general or to attribute abortion as the cause of the emotional distress. Not too surprisingly, it documented increased risk of emotional distress in those women with poor social support, a changed relationship with their partner, who were unemployed, who had a negative attitude about abortion, etc. 

     

    Gissler specifically notes that their data does not allow them to determine causality. While the rate of suicide was higher in the year after for women who had abortions than women who miscarried, it is not possible from this study to directly attribute that to something about the abortion itself – the authors specifically state that

    "Another explanation for the higher suicide rate after an abortion could be low social class, low social support, and previous life events or that abortion is chosen by women who are at higher risk for suicide because of other reasons."

    Gilchrist et al specifically notes that:

    "In women with equivalent past psychiatric histories, there were no significant differences between the comparison groups in overall rates of psychiatric illness. For instance, women with a past psychiatric history including psychosis who had a termination were no more likely to have a subsequent psychiatric illness than women with a similar history who did not request a termination."

    The authors find that women with a past history of psychosis has highest rates of subsequent psychotic illness, but termination of a pregnancy did not have an effect. They also note that "Women with a past history of non-psychotic illness, or no history of psychiatric illness, who had a termination were significantly less likely to have a psychotic episode than those who did not request a termination."

     

    Looking at the tables of results in the Gilchrist article, and comparing those who obtained an abortion with those who did not request an abortion, you’ll see that the confidence interval pretty much always crosses 1, meaning the findings were non-significant – i.e. there were no signfiicant differences in rates of psychiatric illness between those who obtained and did not request an abortion. The authors conclude that

    "The rate of total psychiatric disorder reported by GPs following termination of pregnancy was similar to that observed in women who did not have a termination. Women with a history of previous psychiatric illness were most at risk, irrespective of the pregnancy outcome. The risk of psychosis after termination appeared to be lower than after childbirth, except in women with a previous history of psychosis."

    It’s easy to miss these details if you do not have access to the full-text articles yourself and an understanding of things like study design and confidence intervals, but, long story short, these papers do not demonstrate what you think they demonstrate. I have found many anti-abortion pieces on emotional effects that demonstrate a similar lack of accuracy with regards to the cited studies. This is all leaving aside whether abortion should be made illegal to protect women from making choices that might have negative emotional effects, which I don’t personally think is a legitimate argument for reversing abortion rights.

     

    • crowepps

      The fact that the Gissler study was does in FINLAND which has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, among ALL segments of the population, further invalidates it as a useful study.

  • invalid-0

    you know my mom always said there’s 2 sides to every story. I’m glad I can step back and not believe everything someone says. There looks to me to be some false information. And lumping all the clinics and saying they are all like this. Highly unlikely. Let’s look at this a bit more broadly and relisticly.

  • invalid-0

    I couldn’t finish watching that video. It was so one sided and hurtful. My friend just died in a car crash. She couldn’t get over her abortion, took drugs for a couple years and was on the road and high. And crashed and died. You should know what you’re talking about before you do something like this. My friend could have used a place to talk her out of it.

  • invalid-0

    So, you support false information, coercion, and in some cases flat out lying as a means to talk people out of abortion? Because that’s the issue with these place–less the goal and more the methods used. (Though I’m thankful to find that all the local CPCs are listed in the yellow pages under ‘abortion alternatives’ and not ‘abortion services’).

    I’m sorry for what happened to your friend, and that her choice led her to such a tragic end, but that doesn’t make what these places are doing right.

  • invalid-0

    I am actually a director of a CPC and it really makes me sick to see both sides that I have read above. I am very disappointed in the centers that have chosen to operate out of inaccurate misinformation and I by no means advocate scare tactics and manipulation. I also think it’s important to note however that not ALL CPC’s operate in this manner. I meet face to face everday with young women facing unplanned pregnancy. I myself became pregnant when I was eighteen and now have a seven year old. I have also had an abortion. Having walked personally through both situations and experiencing both sides of “choice”, I feel I have gained a reality for what these women really experience. When I went to have my abortion I was treated like a number not a person. Possible risks and complications were never explained to me,I received false fetal development information; as well as there was no follow up care made available to me. I am also a licensed nurse and I feel that was the most uninformative, unsupportive, inaccurate care that I have ever received from licensed health care professionals. The sad thing is that out of the 1,200 women we see in our center yearly it is very common to hear from post abortive women who had very similar experiences in the abortion clinic. I also feel that one of the major reasons it is difficult to find sufficient studies supporting the various emotional and mental effects of abortion is because most women live with this “choice” and its aftermath in silence. For many women this becomes a shamful secret that they fear to tell anyone. So of course it’s easier for them to attribute mental/emotional issues to less sensitive sources such as low income, unhealthy relationships, or unemployment. I just had a client come in today who was very abortion minded and we offered her nothing but support and information in a non judgemental, non manipulative environment. We conduct client surveys and we receive nothing but remarks of how confidential, professional, and helpful they feel our services are. When will people wake up and realize that on both sides of this issue we have to stop addressing the “symptoms” of this issue and get to the “cause” and the heart of these young women. But to give all CPC’s this label is wrong. In all reality for those who are supportive of “choice” and participate in this campaign against CPC’s, are essentially taking away the right and choice of these women to seek services at those CPC’s who DO provide accurate information. I see nothing but a pot calling the kettle black. This video is just as guilty of using the same technique of “scare tactics” as those that they are accusing.

  • crowepps

    The problem is that a loose confederation of organizations who purport to have the same goal, often similar names, are listed under the same header in the phone book and who get similiar literature from the same sources are ‘associated with each other’ in the minds of the public.

     

    To use a neutral example, there are various food banks providing services all over the country, and people who deal with one generalize that experience to all other food banks.  These particular organizations, however, many of which receive federal grants, have standards embedded in the grants that they receive and so many of them have similar rules and methods of operation.  In addition, there are oftentimes State laws regulating how they can be run.

     

    Crisis Pregnancy Centers, on the other hand, don’t have any standard set for them medically because they’re not ‘clinics’, hotly resisted any State regulation as "religious discrimination", and have no national umbrella organization which assists them to reach a consensus on how to ethically operate or to enforce ethics violations when broken.

     

    I’m speaking just of my own personal experience, of course, but I’ve got to tell you, any criticism from outside is rejected as anywhere on the continuum from "biased" to "Satanic", and so if you as a CPC and others with your high standards want the respect of your communities, it is YOUR responsibility to clean up the bad apples among you.

     

    Your final protest that "it’s not fair" to lump everyone together doesn’t resonate with me, since my local Planned Parenthood, which provides only mammograms, PAP smears and birth control and never provides abortions, is having its funding attacked on the grounds that other PPs do provide abortion, in a campaign "essentially taking away the right and choice of these women to seek services" that have nothing to do with abortion on the grounds that these services are ‘tainted’.

     

    I’m sure it wasn’t your personal decision to use lies, trickery and undercover videos in an attempt to smear all Planned Parenthoods, but someone on your side of this issue having invented the technique and gotten it adopted for use, I’m afraid all the agencies involved on both sides of this controversy will have to waste a great deal of time better spent with people who actually need help enabling the fame frenzy of high school and college students who take up tons of time getting tons of recordings so that they can cut and splice something outrageous enough to be most popular on Youtube.

  • invalid-0

    My birth control pills cost me $8/month. You’re right, they don’t work 100% of the time. My friend just got pregnant because she missed a pill and had bad information that said that most women – obviously not her – won’t get pregnant until they’re off the pill for a few months. However, can you beat $8/month? Oh, and that’s at Kroger’s pharmacy without running it through my insurance. While I have insurance, I chose not to use it for this prescription because it would actually cost a little more with my co-pay.

  • invalid-0

    Why can’t we see the face of the one that had the abortion? If she has never regretted it, why isn’t she proud to show herself? Also, I had a pregnancy test at my center and they had several signs up saying they were not a medical clinic and were not licensed counselors. I had to do a self test and decide whether the test showed positive or negative. The lady at the center didn’t even see my test.

  • invalid-0

    Most likely because of the terrifying tactics of those who oppose her choice, and a desire to protect her own safety. I’ve been to powerful events where women have come forward and discussed the feelings they’ve had about their abortions. Those were safe spaces where people could establish respect for each other and hear the variety of feelings that came up without judging eachother. Clearly, on the internet that is not possible.
    However, when given the opportunity, many women express gratitude for having been able to make that choice, the relief they had at the time and the ways in which the lives they went on to live were made possible by not being forced to carry an unintended pregnancy. Not everyone experiences regret, and among those who do it is often linked to the judgements of others.
    I would never suggest that all women who have abortions are glad that they did. But it is just as absurd to suggest that all women regret them, (or become depressed or suicidal).
    Also, as has been established in earlier posts, it’s clear that not all CPCs operate in the same way. Just because you were given a self-test at yours, does not mean that other people are not given (sometimes false) results by people pretending to be licensed in ways that they’re not.

  • crowepps

    An interesting comment from someone who signed it ‘Anonymous’. 

     

    You don’t get to "see the face" because the woman has a constitutional right to privacy.  I can’t ever remember anybody saying they were ‘proud’ of having an abortion.  On the other hand, most people will take any steps necessary to avoid being stoned.

     

    I assume from your post that you are ProLife?  If so, why didn’t you and your husband pay for your own test?  Since obviously if you needed to know whether you’re pregnant you DO have a husband, right?

  • invalid-0

    I think part of the reason she didn’t show her face is because the girl didn’t want to get harassed and called “baby killer” by pro-life extremist…

    I believe that sex education should be taught in school’s both abstinence and about pregnancy/STI prevention. By teaching abstinence only we leave these kids open for inturpretations, i once had to inform my high school friend that she could still get an STI from oral and anal sex, that could get pregnant even if the guy pulled out or if semen gets close to the vaginal opening. some of the abstinence “non-sex” practices can lead to disaster, then these poor kids are getting false information when they get pregnant. haven’t we babied this generation too much? at some point we have to wake up and realize these kids are going to have sex regradless at some point in their life and that sex ed isn’t “planting the seed of sex” in the teenage mind, that was thousands of years of evolution and hormones. if abstinence is so important to these parents then they need to sit down and explian why it is important and why they should practice it, but these kids need to be imformed properly and with actual scientifical fact

  • invalid-0

    Why can’t we see the face of the one that had the abortion?

    Because the ‘pro-life’ movement and it’s followers are often ugly little people, full of violence and hatred and have no qualms about expressing it.

  • invalid-0

    Wow, this escort and the people he mentioned are some brave, brave people, to be out there every Saturday to help out the men and women who have had to made such a difficult choice. I wish I could do something more than this, which is to say:

    Kudos, you guys. You’re doing awesome work.

  • http://msnhotmail.com/directory invalid-0

    I disagree with this article. When I had my abortion, I was 28 years-old, married, and very educated as a veterinarian. I did not come from a poor family of low socio-economic class. I felt trapped by my circumstances, for my own reasons which no one would understand. I was aware of my choices, but had no one to talk to as a friend. I was too ashamed to hire a counselor; however, the day after, I had a huge sense of relief. Unfortunately, 6 months later, I had an emotional blowout. My parents committed me to a psychiatric hospital, for fear of suicide. I did not respond to any of the antipsychotics, so the doctor prescribed electroconvulsive therapy, of which I had over 20 treatments. I don’t know how to describe the response, exept to mention that I left my husband, started drinking excessively, ATTEMPTED SUICIDE, and ran away from my family, at which time I started an affair with a married man. Years later, I found a post-abortion support group which offered customized therapy for women like me. Since then I have discovered that there are THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of women who suffer tremendously from this experience and are forever grieving over the fact that we took the lives of our own babies. Have you not realized that the lack of documentation of post-abortion syndrome survivors is because WE ARE TOO ASHAMED TO SPEAK UP! It is unreported. Check out the web-sites. THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS! Don’t EVEN try to tell me that their are no emotional or spiritual consequences. I have been insulted enough.

    • invalid-0

      It took a tremendous amount of courage for you to post your testimonial. Thank you for sharing your true-life experience with abortion, even though it was painful. It may save someone else’s life one day.

      My girlfriend and I got pregnant after dating for 6 months. Her licensed doctor endocronologist told her that her body didn’t make the hormone required for menstruation. She needed progesterone shots to trigger her periods every few months. What the “doctor” didn’t know is that she was anorexic and bulimic before meeting me. After dating, she started eating right and her self-esteem grew. Well her body started functioning again and a few months later we found out she was pregnant. Talk about a shocker!

      I hadn’t finished college and wanted to do a ton of “other things” with my life. I was 20 years old and wanted to make my mark on the world. For about 3 days, I thought about urging her to abort. We prayed a lot and visited a local medical clinic. I went with her into the examination room. After her examination, a “nurse” told us that she realized that we didn’t expect this and that she knew some “friends” in a nearby town who could, “take care of the problem” for us.

      The second I heard the word, “problem,” I stood up and politely told her that we wouldn’t be needing her “friends.” We ultimately chose life and have a beautiful 15-year old daughter to show for it. She knows exactly what we went through and now speaks out for life! Her 4 brothers and sisters do as well.

      I made my mark on the world in a way that only God knew would work out for His good. I’m so blessed that we made the right choice and pray for all who haven’t and all who still face the choice.

      CHOOSE LIFE!

  • http://www.netvibes.com/pharmacy-store invalid-0

    that’s really sad to read about such stuff

  • invalid-0

    First of all, it is not the taxpayer’s responsibility to prevent pregnancy, and it is wrong for the government to do so. If the persons can’t be responsible, let them keep their panties on and their zippers zipped. It’s enough we have to support the irresponsible women and the babies through no fault of their own (the babies, not the mother). For some, it is a lifetime of welfare.

  • invalid-0

    First of all, it is not the taxpayer’s responsibility to prevent pregnancy, and it is wrong for the government to do so.

    Oh really?

    It’s enough we have to support the irresponsible women and the babies through no fault of their own (the babies, not the mother). For some, it is a lifetime of welfare.

    So you’d rather pay $$$$$ to support that (unwanted) baby, possibly for a lifetime, rather than pay $ for contraception to prevent it from being conceived in the first place? What are you, a Republican?

  • independentminded

    This whole post of yours: 

     

    First of all, it is not the taxpayer’s responsibility to prevent pregnancy, and it is wrong for the government to do so. If the persons can’t be responsible, let them keep their panties on and their zippers zipped. It’s enough we have to support the irresponsible women and the babies through no fault of their own (the babies, not the mother). For some, it is a lifetime of welfare.

     

    indicates exactly why government-funded abortion rights and the rights to funded contraceptives are important, and should not be taken away.   It’s agreed that unprotected sex is something that shouldn’t be encouraged, but let’s not deprive girls and young women of the right to have access to the tools (i.e. contraceptives and  safe, government-funded and legal abortions), as well as sex education, that will help them take responsibility for their sexual choices.

     

     

     I, myself, would prefer to see my taxes pay for safe, legal and government-funded abortions and contraception, as well as comprehensive sex education programs in the schools, than to pay for unwanted pregnancies, children, and the killing/maiming of born and named children and adults in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    • invalid-0

      How do you sleep at night? Have you really rationalized that the answer to teen and unwanted pregnancy is for the government to pay for abortions and birth control? How stupid have we become?

      To think that people should be forced by their government to pay for the killing of an innocent pre-born human is barbarious and cruel and against my freedom of religion.

      So you Pro-Choice people think I shouldn’t have a choice but to pay for abortions with my taxes. Pretty ironic isn’t it?

  • invalid-0

    It’s enough we have to support the irresponsible women That’s what it all boils down to for the anti-s, isn’t it? Irresponsible women? Who should know better? Who must be constantly vigilant about the activities of others who act against them? Who must always, always bet the gatekeepers?

  • invalid-0

    “Another explanation for the higher suicide rate after an abortion could be low social class, low social support, and previous life events or that abortion is chosen by women who are at higher risk for suicide because of other reasons.” —Often low social class (I am reading this as low economic status) & support are reasons why women have abortions. Shouldn’t these women, established as “high-risk” via pro-choice research get extra counseling? Or at least be told that an abortion places them at greater risk to exacerbate potential existing problems?

    Additionally, I do not want my tax dollars to pay for abortion NOR do I want my tax dollars to pay for religious activities. Decisions about pregnancy and faith are examples of private matters best settled without government intervention, oversight or funding. If private, charitable foundations wish to take up this cause, that is their purview. Government can govern behavior that impacts others not others’ opinions. I am pro-life as I believe life begins at conception and abortion takes that life. I do not believe those that disagree with me should be censored, however. Fetal development facts are just that…facts about brain waves and cardiac activity in early gestation are real. There may be dishonest CPC’s (just as there are rogue PP’s that do not report sexual abuse, etc.) but there are also many that have agreed to national standards of care and conduct. Let women be educated in the whole scope of abortion: accurate description of procedure, fetal development, potential physical/emotional/relationship
    /spiritual (which is not always “God-centered”) side effects and allow them to make their own decisions. Both sides of the issue should be comfortable with that.

  • http://www.shouldhavebeenaborted.com invalid-0

    Lost in all of this is the true nature of the act of abortion and what it often deprives us all of–the beautiful potential of an unborn life.

    I don’t believe in scare tactics. I believe in the truth, which I find, sadly, distorted beyond recognition by the abortion industry.

    Visit http://www.shouldhavebeenaborted.com and watch the “Unwanted” video (it’s only 1min30sec long).

    It just might reframe the whole rhetorical argument of abortion in your mind.

    Here’s to a world better informed, women truly empowered, and beautiful possibilities spared from abortion.

    • invalid-0

      The video says it all. Nothing more needs to be said.

      Thank you for your beautiful witness.

  • http://www.shouldhavebeenaborted.com invalid-0

    Here’s a little contrary thought to the myth of the “unwanted child” sold by Planned Parenthood:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9abmsYyuhVw

    If Planned Parenthood is concerned about providing ‘unbiased’ reproductive health information to women, what explains the outcome of an extremely disproportionate abortion/adoption referral ratio (62 to 1). Is it possible that PP is not concerned about providing other options for a woman? But then again, there’s no money in adoption referrals.

  • invalid-0

    Here’s a little contrary thought to the myth of the “unwanted child” sold by Planned Parenthood:

    Um, that was an unplanned child, not an unwanted one. Assuming that the biological mother had access to abortion—she might not have in 1971—if the pregnancy were unwanted, she could have terminated it. Obviously, she chose otherwise.

    Pro-choicers are all in favor of rape victims freely choosing to take their pregnancies to term, just as much as we support them freely choosing to abort. Our operative word, as you may have noticed, is choice. And according to this video, it is yours as well.

    If Planned Parenthood is concerned about providing ‘unbiased’ reproductive health information to women, what explains the outcome of an extremely disproportionate abortion/adoption referral ratio (62 to 1). Is it possible that PP is not concerned about providing other options for a woman?

    Is it possible that most women would prefer to have a safe, quick abortion and be done with an unwanted pregnancy, rather than go through the much more risky medical ordeal of late pregnancy and birth (with all the potential complications that may result, including death) so that they can give the child away to someone else?

  • invalid-0

    Ooh! Ooh! You know who should have been aborted? Charles Manson. And Jeffrey Dahmer. We could have done without their “beautiful potential.” Who knows how many serial killers have been prevented from entering into existence thanks to abortion?

  • http://www.shouldhavebeenaborted.com invalid-0

    Perhaps you don’t know much about Planned Parenthood and the constant game of semantics they play. They are continually tweaking the language in their various media collateral, but up until 2007, after millions of abortions performed, PP has also pushed the philosophy (in their own words, in the About Us section): “Planned Parenthood believes that everyone has the right to choose when or whether to have a child, that every child should be WANTED and loved, and that women should be in charge of their destinies.”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070807114825/www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/about-us.htm

    Funny how you insist PP is about Choice when they pour hundreds of millions into fighting that very thing to be exercised. Why do they foot tooth-and-nail (in court and lobbying efforts) to prevent any common sense restrictions on abortion (ie. parental notification, ultrasound provision, comprehensive and medically accurate pregnancy information)? Deceptively silencing opposing viewpoints doesn’t denote advocacy of choice.

    Perhaps you are the one who needs to think about it for more than 3 seconds. Death always results from abortion, and not just for the unborn child. It seems apparent that you have little understanding (as millions of others do) of the beauty of adoption.

  • invalid-0

    Funny how you insist PP is about Choice when they pour hundreds of millions into fighting that very thing to be exercised.

    By “they,” I presume you’re referring to anti-choice organizations. I’m glad to see that you support a woman’s right to choose.

    Why do they foot tooth-and-nail (in court and lobbying efforts) to prevent any common sense restrictions on abortion (ie. parental notification, ultrasound provision, comprehensive and medically accurate pregnancy information)?

    Because those restrictions reflect the “common sense” of misogynists. Parental notification leaves teens with abusive parents in the lurch, ultrasound provision attempts to emotionally coerce women seeking abortion, and “medically accurate pregnancy information” includes such juicily non-medical tidbits like “the fetus may feel pain.” Neither you, nor these laws, reflect any form of support for pregnant women. Especially seeing as these were not requested by pregnant women nor advocates for pregnant women (and in most cases were actively opposed by same).

    It seems apparent that you have little understanding (as millions of others do) of the beauty of adoption.

    Only a male, who can never become pregnant and will never know what it is like to give up a child shortly after birth, could so romanticize adoption. (Do you even know any women who have gone through that?)

  • invalid-0

    Lila Rose is showing how poor of a job Planned Parenthood does at protecting women. Sorry if it hurts, but the truth often does that.

    You’re funny.

    Its funny how YouTube allows these pro-abort videos, but won’t allow Lila’s on there. Seems pro-aborts are the ones that are intolerant, insensitive and anti-choice.

    Who are these “pro-aborts” you speak of? There’s no one here but us pro-choicers.

    Guess it makes sense as they believe killing an innocent pre-born human and taking away every subsequent choice they will ever have is ethically correct.

    Women own their bodies. I know you’re used to having control over them and all, but that’s come to an end. Throwing a self-righteous tantrum isn’t going to change that, and reflects poorly on your character.

  • invalid-0

    How do you sleep at night?

    Not terribly well, seeing how anti-choicers want to deny women control of their own bodies and destinies.

    Have you really rationalized that the answer to teen and unwanted pregnancy is for the government to pay for abortions and birth control?

    That, as well as comprehensive sex education. We haven’t “rationalized” anything; we have actual empirical studies showing that this approach works.

    How stupid have we become? To think that people should be forced by their government to pay for the killing of an innocent pre-born human is barbarious and cruel and against my freedom of religion.

    Pretty stupid, I’d say, considering that many people don’t even understand the laws underlying our country’s revenue system. Here’s a hint: Someone already tried to make that argument to the Supreme Court, and lost. Hey, I’d love not to pay my part of the Iraqi War tab either, but that’s not within my prerogative as a taxpayer.

    So you Pro-Choice people think I shouldn’t have a choice but to pay for abortions with my taxes. Pretty ironic isn’t it?

    No, just disingenuous.

  • colleen

    Tony, 

    First, 12 year olds aren’t ‘young women’, they are children. Despite the fact that many men in this country are sexually attracted to little girls (and boys ) it’s statutory rape even when you pay a pimp for access or it’s a Priest abusing them .

    Second, If you and Lila Rose were concerned about the sexual abuse of children  y’all need to be looking closer to home. This is a country where the average age a girl becomes a prostitute is 12-14 (see:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html

    You aren’t going to stop the sexual exploitation of children by attacking Planned Parenthood. But, then, the sexual exploitation of children isn’t something that concerns the religious right, Lila Rose or you, now is it.

     

     

     

    The only difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8,000 miles.

    Dr Warren Hern, MD

  • invalid-0

    The second I heard the word, “problem,” I stood up and politely told her that we wouldn’t be needing her “friends.” We ultimately chose life and have a beautiful 15-year old daughter to show for it. She knows exactly what we went through and now speaks out for life! Her 4 brothers and sisters do as well.

    I made my mark on the world in a way that only God knew would work out for His good. I’m so blessed that we made the right choice and pray for all who haven’t and all who still face the choice.

    CHOOSE LIFE!

    I’m glad that you support a woman’s right to choose!

  • invalid-0

    Thank you for your concisely written, factual comments. Pro-Aborts don’t know how to handle facts as is obvious from the fact that there is no rebuttal to this information.

    It’s been rebutted time and time and time again (and, oh look, it was rebutted just a few comments up from yours). You’re just so tone-deaf to anything that doesn’t agree with you that of course you think so-called “pro-aborts” have no answer to it.

    Here’s the biggest fact: Abortion kills one human. If a mom can have an abortion and kill her own child and not feel bad about it (which they ALL do eventually), then I feel even worse for the kind of human she has become.

    “What kind of human being she has become” is none of your business. And if you think all women who have had an abortion eventually “feel bad about it,” then you know only a very narrow selection of women who have had an abortion.

    The good news for moms who have made that choice is that there is forgiveness in faith in God.

    Why should they have to ask forgiveness for making the right decision for themselves and their families?

    Where are the abortion clinic post abortion counselors. They don’t exist because they can’t look abortion in the eye for the truth that it is.

    They don’t exist because these clinics already run on a tight enough budget as it is. If you want to change this situation, you can made a tax-deductible contribution to Planned Parenthood, and if you are a licensed therapist and wish to offer real, nonjudgmental services to women, make ‘em an offer.

  • invalid-0

    Why don’t you spend a few weekends working at a crisis pregnancy center where they try to save the life of the mother and the child? Maybe you’ll get a better perspective on things.

    Every woman I know who has aborted their child thinks it is the biggest mistake they made in their life. Keep fighting for that right, though. God forbid that a woman should actually have to bear the tremendous burden of carrying a life they helped to create (in 99+% of cases) to term.

  • invalid-0

    I guess the Hippocratic oath is subjective and you can pick and choose who you “do no harm” to.

    It must be really cool living in a world where you can make your own rules for what’s wrong and what’s right.

    The fact that Planned Parenthood blatantly does not report and even hides sexual abuse of “young girls” should be horrific to you, but it is not. In your world, the ends justify the means. Send her back to her abuser so maybe she can come back in a few months to fill PP’s coffers even more full.

    I’d seriously think about another line of work if I were you.

  • colleen

    Every woman I know who has aborted their child thinks it is the biggest mistake they made in their life.

     Perhaps if you got to know some women outside of your unpleasant little cult you would find that most women who have had abortions don’t share this neurotic POV. Maybe you would have a better perspective on things

     

     

     

     

    The only difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8,000 miles.

    Dr Warren Hern, MD

  • invalid-0

    Do you know that millions of females (of which most women are comprised) have been systematically destroyed before ever taking a single breath?

    Sex-selective abortions? Yeah, we know about that.

    Aren’t you mad about all of these females being killed?

    (You mean “aborted,” but deaths due to domestic violence and the like is nothing to sneeze at either.)

    Yes. Unlike you, however, we recognize that the solution is not to deny women control over their own bodies and destinies (by banning or restricting abortion), but by addressing the social factors that lead to baby girls being less desirable than baby boys in the first place. In fact, pro-choice philosophy goes hand-in-hand with a whole discipline dedicated to improving the social lot of women: feminism. Because you’re so concerned about the devaluing of women, you may want to look into it.

  • invalid-0

    If it was not for our local CPC which I now volunteer a few hours a week I would not have had maternity clothing at all as I could not afford them. Could I have gotten help with this from PP? CPC offer women resources to help them either choose parents or adoption. This ranges from clothing, baby items, social service referrals to both government and private agencies and to doctors who will provide prenatal care pro bono. For alot of women who come seeking our services, they really do not want to abort but feel it is their only choice because mainly economic reasons. Some choose life, others if their mind is set choose abortion regardless of the information we give them. In our phone book, CPC are listed under “abortion alternatives”, that is hardly false advertising.

  • invalid-0

    Thank you for the warm welcome. I am happy to shed some truth in this gloomy place. The culture of death is a lonely place to live, so I’ll just drop by from time-to-time to cheer everyone up a little.

    Where to begin, ahh yes, the whole domestic violence comparison. Let’s see…how many women are killed due to domestic violence each year? According to the FBI, Uniform Crime Statistics, about 1,500 women are killed by their husbands or boyfriends each year. Those are terrible numbers and noone should EVER have to go through any type of violence.

    But those numbers pale in comparison to the number of pre-women destroyed through abortion every year. Not even close.

    The whole point here is that you are a hypocrite if you stand against domestic violence, yet stand for abortion rights for any reason and at any time.

    There are very few times when abortion is medically necessary and those reasons should remain legal. But for a mother to choose to kill her own child for any reason other than the preservation of her physical life, is the ultimate domestic violence.

    Peace.

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  • kate-stevens

    What is wrong with people? Why would anyone want to promote information that they know is incorrect? I just don’t get it.