Operation Rescue, Jill Stanek: Only Too Happy to Aid and Abet


Anti-choice groups across the nation are busy insisting
that since they didn’t personally pull the trigger, their protests,
harassment, and hate speech are not to blame for the murder of Kansas abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.  Yet some anti-choice
activists — even now — seem only too happy to aid and abet the crazy ones who will resort to violence.   Or else why, three days after the
assassination of a medical doctor who provides late-term abortions, did
Jill Stanek post on her blog photographs
of the clinic of Dr. LeRoy Carhart, another physician who provides
late-term abortions and who has said he is willing to take over providing
services at Dr. Tiller’s clinic?

By way of introduction, Stanek writes, "Let’s take a station break to
view photos of Carhart’s "nondescript building," taken in March 2009 on
the day it reopened following refurbishment after a fire (NOT blamed on
pro-lifers). It was almost immediately shut down because Carhart
reopened without getting an occupancy permit, as I previously reported, and was running his electricity off a generator…"  She and her readers just want "to take a look."  Why?  She wants to prove her point that it’s a dingy building?  Over Carhart’s safety, and the safety of his staff and patients?

Combine
that with Operation Rescue senior policy advisor Cheryl Sullenger’s
admission,
just reported by McClatchey, that she provided information to suspect Scott Roeder about
Tiller’s planned
court appearances when Tiller was tried for performing illegal
abortions. 
(Sullenger’s name and the Operation Rescue phone number were found on a
note in the dashboard of Roeder’s car.)  "[Sullenberger] said Roeder’s interest was in court hearings involving Tiller.  ‘He
would call and say, "When does court start? When’s the next hearing?" ’
Sullenger said. ‘I was polite enough to give him the information. I had
no reason not to. Who knew? Who knew, you know what I mean?’” 

Who knew
When Tiller was on trial in mid-March of this year, local police had — thirteen years ago — found materials
to make a bomb in Roeder’s vehicle.  On Operation Rescue’s own website,
in a page dating back to 2007, a person identifying as Scott Roeder had
posted a comment saying, "Bleass [sic] everyone for attending and
praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death
camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as
possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have
much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor,
Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would
hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller."

In other words, Roeder had a clear history of intention to commit
violence and an avowed commitment to "bring[ing] justice to Tiller and
the closing of his death camp."  And Sullenger was still "politely"
handing him information about Tiller’s whereabouts?  Just as Jill
Stanek is now still posting photographs of Dr. Carhart’s clinic?  As if they needed reminding, the antis now know exactly how low their brethren can stoop.  Should they really be giving them more ammunition? What does the so-called pro-life community say about the posting of these pictures now? 

If another act of violence is committed, will they disavow that?

UPDATE 6/04/2009 4:00pm ET: Rachel Maddow discussed Roeder’s connection to Operation Rescue on her show last night.

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  • invalid-0

    … a good attorney and a flush bank account. You’ve just put RH Reality Check in the path of a libel lawsuit. I’m just disappointed you didn’t go after LifeNews.com. We could use the money, too, from a defamation suit victory. I guess this kind of personal smear attack is what we can expect from those frustrated with the fact that five recent abortion polls show you and your fellow abortion proponents are becoming increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of America on abortion. And, now, out of touch with reality. Go Jill!

    • invalid-0

      The next time there’s violence in the name of “pro-life” causes, keep an eye on the suspects list. “Steven Ertelt” might just be on it, and we can all say, “told you so”.

  • invalid-0

    Shame on those who are exploiting the death of George Tiller and using it as an attack on the majority of Americans who are pro-life and also peaceful, law-abiding people. One vigilante extremist doesn’t represent the millions and millions of people who support women and children and abhor abortion. But I guess it’s easier for some to just paint half of America with a broad brush than to actually defend their position without personal and baseless attacks. How sad. Those who are using this fallacy of composition argument against pro-life people owe millions of Americans an apology for their shameless exploitation of this tragedy that everyone is condemning, including pro-life people.

  • http://aikenareaprogressive.blogspot.com invalid-0

    RH Reality Check has done nothing wrong. They are not libeling anyone. If anything, they are reporting the facts as they come in.

    Jill Stanek should be arrested and prosecuted for terrorism. And if convicted, she should be executed for it!

    • invalid-0

      Jill Stanek should not be prosecuted.

      She should be shot in the face in her church.

      • independentminded

        Jill Stanek should not be prosecuted. She should be shot in the face in her church.

         

        As much as I despise Jill Stanek and other people like her and her colleagues/friends in Operation Rescue and other anti-choice movements, that’s going too far, imho.   Cool it, OK?  This coming from a pro-choicer who’s also one of the biggest free speech advocates on Planet Earth. 

  • invalid-0

    There are no grounds for a libel suit. If it’s true, it’s not libel in the U.S.A. What did you read up there that was untrue? Take your stupid threats elsewhere, thug.

  • http://momstinfoilhat.wordpress.com invalid-0

    A small minority think abortion should be illegal, and that has not changed. Almost no one thinks heinous crimes like assassinating physicians is warranted. Using a murder to promote your website is pathetic.

    I have one minor correction to the original post. He was accused of performing alleged illegal abortions, but was acquitted on all charges.

    • independentminded

      n/t

  • http://momstinfoilhat.wordpress.com invalid-0

    This is the eighth reproductive rights worker assassinated and you are pretending that the anti choicers are the victims here?

    Blindly, selfishly pathetic. When someone sets fire to where you meet, when you have to wear a bullet proof vest, get back to me.

    Jill Stanek is trying to aid and abet the next assassination. Which side are you on? The side of life or death?

  • invalid-0

    The politics of personal destruction is alive and well. What has our nation come to when good people who have nothing to do with, and have condemned, a crime are now accused of assisting it and the person making the false accusations is defended? This is sick.

  • http://www.LifeNews.com/stevenertelt.html invalid-0

    1) Polling Company survey of 800 adults from May 17-18, 3.5 percent margin of error:

    The poll found 55 percent take one of three pro-life positions saying that all abortions should be prohibited (10%), abortion should be legal only in cases to save the life of the mother (16%), or abortions should only be legal in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother (29%).

    Just 41 percent took one of three pro-abortion positions, with 26 percent saying abortion should be legal for any reason within the first three months of pregnancy, 8 percent saying abortions should be legal within the first six months of pregnancy for any reason, and just 7 percent agreeing with President Obama that abortions should be legal for any reason throughout pregnancy.

    2) Rasmussen Reports Survey released on May 5: found 58 percent of Americans say abortion is morally wrong most of the time. Just twenty-five percent disagree and the rest had no opinion. The survey found women are more strongly pro-life than men as 64 percent of women believe most abortions are morally wrong, a view shared by just 51% of men.

    3) May Gallup poll finds 51% of Americans calling themselves pro-life and just 42 percent saying they are “pro-choice” and supporting legal abortions. The poll finds a plurality of women say they are pro-life — with 49 percent saying so and just 44 percent saying they are “pro-choice.”

    4) May 12-13 Opinion Dynamics survey: It found 49 percent of Americans say they are pro-life while just 43 percent say they are “pro-choice.”

    5) Pew Research Center for the People & the Press poll conducted March 31-April 21 among 1,521 adults:

    The Pew poll found 46 percent of Americans say abortion should be legal in most cases (28%) or all cases (18%) and 44 percent of Americans believe that abortion should be illegal in most (28%) or all cases (16%). That two point margin in favor of abortion is the lowest margin since 1995 as Pew, and other polling firms, have been asking the same polling question of Americans across the country every year.

    I know you’re upset that you are in the minority, but the facts are the facts.

  • invalid-0

    What exactly are the false accusations you are accusing Ms. Douglas of making? As stated above, she is merely reporting fact. Or are you just upset that someone has called Jill out for the hate-inspiring rhetoric she frequently spews. I also find it interesting that you find this article sick. What is really sick are the people defending Dr. Tiller’s assassin.

  • http://thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com invalid-0

    Mr Ertelt’s comments are resounding but hollow. There is no libel without malice there is no malice without intent to defame re libel. Ms Douglas was bright enough to pose her explanation of the Carhart Clinic photo as an interrogatory not as a definitive and leaving choice to the reader absolves her of malice. Your case dissolves in a puff of smoke.

    A well done post Ms Douglas, two marks for style and two more for being on the right side of women’s reproductive rights in America.

    Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

  • invalid-0

    That Pew studies that anti-choicers love to cite does not say that the majority of Americans identify as Pro-life. If you read the study (though I doubt right-wing extremist can read)it says that more Americans believe that abortion should be legal, but limited. There is a big difference.

  • invalid-0

    Operation Rescue is a domestic terrorist organization that should be treated as such. Those of us who work in clinic defense are going to start recording how they punch, shove, kick, slap and hit women as they try to enter clinics. They are pro-violence and pro-death.

    • independentminded

       Not only is all this true:, 
       
       


      Those of us who work in clinic defense are going to start recording how they punch, shove, kick, slap and hit women as they try to enter clinics. They are pro-violence and pro-death.
       

       
       
      but it would  also be an excellent idea to record how members of Operation Rescue and other anti-choice movements have also sprayed  toxic chemicals into reproductive clinics and murdered doctors who perform abortions, and clinic workers in cold blood.
       
       

  • emma

    So, could one of the whining anti-choicers with a persecution complex explain to me why Jill Stanek is posting pictures of Carhart’s clinic shortly after George Tiller’s murder?

     

    Just unbelievable. One of your lot shoots a doctor, and you have the nerve to whine about how terribly mean everyone is to you.

  • colleen

     

    We could use the money, too, from a defamation suit victory.


    Oh Steve, you big bully, those lawyers from Liberty University couldn’t argue their way out of a paper bag.

     

     

     

     

    The only difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8,000 miles.

    Dr Warren Hern, MD

  • invalid-0

    Can you provide visual or audio evidence of hateful speech and actions of the Defenders of Life, the Pro Life groups? For example, you list the Pro Life Group, Priests for Life, as being to the far right of extremism when protesting the Pro Abortion groups. Could your problem with this group be the fact it sticks to the truth, doesn’t change it’s beliefs, or rhetoric and its members belong to one of the most impressive, dignified of the Pro Life Groups? You are bashing a religious group when you do this. You would in no way, do this to another faith. You also include as one of the far right groups, The Right to Life group. Somehow I can’t see either of these groups as the “getting in your face” kind. Again, can you provide visual/auditory proof of actions you claim they are guilty of?

    I am surprised you haven’t included as another group you fear, the 40 Days March for Life which has become so well known. These people are so proud and happy if they save 2 or three lives of babies at abortion clinics.

    I find it sad that we Pro Lifers are limited to celebrating the success of saving two or three lives of babies while the Pro Abortion groups celebrate the millions they have allowed to be killed in the name of health care and women’s rights. What does this say for us, for our civilization, for our nation?

    Those of us who believe in Life from conception to natural death say it is a sad commentary on one of the richest nations in the world.

    Unmarried, or single mothers have never been supported throughout history. And now all our “so called” ADVANCED society can offer as help is the brutalization of a woman’s body and the killing of her child.

    What would it be like, I wonder, if the GOVERNMENTAL money used to support “women’s rights” to abortion was spent for real emotional support, health care, economical support for those women and children that need it instead of encouraging women to think that abusing their bodies and killing their children is the only way to solve an unwanted child?

    Perhaps we would have a society and civilization of LIFE and not the ones of PRO DEATH we now have. Think about it.

    • invalid-0

      What it would be is very, very, expensive. And the minute we would actually try to do so – your side, the conservative right wing – would be screaming about welfare queens having more babies to keep getting their government checks.

  • invalid-0

    Where in any of the comments made can you infer that those of us who are Pro Life are defending the murder/er of George Tiller? You are making up your own dark reality out of your own dark mind.

  • invalid-0

    Take a look at your comment. Does it promote terrorism, or peace?

  • invalid-0

    You put out a press release the other day saying that Scott Roeder was not a member of any pro-life groups. He may not have been a member, but, as we both know, groups and members are both a rather fluid thing in the radical pro-life movement since the Operation Rescue RICO case. I sent you an e-mail with links to news articles demonstrating that Operation Rescue fellow-travelers knew who Roeder was. Now, come to find out, not only did they know who he was, they’d been talking about him recently. I came very close to sending you another e-mail tonight, but decided not to waste my time since you hadn’t answered my first e-mail.

    So, Steve, do you answer your e-mail? Would you care to respond to the fact that your press release was nowhere near the truth as far as Roeder’s connections to the radical pro-life community? I’d really like to know.

    P.S. I’m not intimidated by you and yours. I’ve been harassed by pros aka the “cult of greed and power.” You guys are pipsqueaks by comparison.

  • invalid-0

    If you honestly believe that Jill Stanek is responsible for causing people to kill others, then what about the anti-military recruiting orgs? Should they be held libel for the murder of the dude down in Arkansas? I hope not – I was involved with one such group years ago.

    From your blog: Folks, Troy Newman and his ilk are telling a bold-faced lie about Mr. Roeder and his ties to the group. Mr. Newman knew that Mr. Roeder was part of his group. And Mr. Newman, like every other anti-abortion activist in America, blatantly aided and abetted Mr. Roeder in his terrorist crime spree.

    First off, while even one homicide is tragic, it doesn’t make a crime spree. And if the investigation determines that Troy Newman “and his ilk” weren’t lying and Roeder wasn’t tied to them, then your statement could be considered as somewhat libelous, could it not? I mean, you’re basically accusing people of helping to murder someone…

    From your blog: The anti-abortion movement is a movement that engages in acts of terrorism on a strikingly similar scale to that of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

    While each death committed by both fringe extremist anti-abortion activists and fringe extremist Muslims, the scale of attacks and breadth of support is undeniably much larger for the radicalized Muslims than what the Army of God and its lot have done. To say its on a similar scale is statistically ludicrous.

    On a side note, I want to ask you if you see any conflict between your supposed strong feminist leanings and the statement on your blog that your favorite TV show is the “Victoria Secret Fashion Show.” I’ve never watched it (no TV), nor would I care to. There is plenty written about it online though and from what I read, its basically a contest to judge female bodies on a false construct of what is beautiful or sexy. “Sex positive” feminism does not mean “feminism that still supports the sexual objectification of womens’ bodies.”

    Also, if this is your MySpace profile – http://www.myspace.com/pantysniffer2002, then I want to ask you: what do you mean by “looking up girls’ skirts”? I agree with Amanda Marcotte when she wrote this, and you should really take a look at it – http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/creative_misogynists_still_unable_to_imagine_letting_go_of_the_hate/

  • invalid-0

    Why haven’t you already been doing it? Claims of this have been made for years, and all it would take is video to sway throngs of people to view pro-life activists as vicious people. Pro-lifers have uploaded numerous videos to youtube of harassment of activists (psychological, mental and physical). Quite a large number of clinics (if not the majority) have security cameras in place already. Regardless, if you are able to video record assaults by pro-life activists outside of clinics, then you’ll have proof, rather than just hearsay. Get proof and those people can be prosecuted.

    • invalid-0

      All the evidence needed is supplied by anti-choicers own videos, such as the bragging about harassment of individuals at their homes – like that of the construction contractor who is only peripherally related to your causes opposition.
      Such as the gruesome pictures flown around South Bend Indiana.

  • invalid-0

    I’d be interested in knowing a lot more about those reports and how the various terms were identified. I say this because “pro-life” doesn’t always mean “anti-abortion.” I consider myself to be pro-life AND pro-choice, because I don’t agree with abortion and I would prefer to see the number of abortions performed every year drop to the lowest number possible (because, let’s face it, there will ALWAYS be some, legal or not.)

    I also believe, however, that it is imperative that because there will be women who will choose to have an abortion, that we ensure abortion is legal and regulated so that it is as safe as possible for the women who choose that route. I wouldn’t object to certain reasonable limitations on it (such as restricting late-term abortions to only those cases where the woman’s health or well-being is endangered)

    So, depending on how the questions were asked and what operating definitions the people being polled were asked, some who think abortion should be legal even though they personally disagree with having an abortion could show up in the “pro-life” column. I suspect there are a lot more of us in the kind of “middle” column here than you might imagine.

  • invalid-0

    for you to post some of those links? I’d be very interested in seeing whatever new information there is about Roeder – I’m trying to put some information together for a newsletter-type thing.

    Thanks!

  • invalid-0

    Even the truth, when employed in a malicious manner to cause damage to a reputation, can be suitable grounds. So you want to blame Jill for this? So she exposes the “unsafe” in what the abortion industry calls “safe” a safe environment — shouldn’t that do your cause good by fixing a problem? Get real — you keep making enemies by pretending that all criticism causes violence. Makes you look like a nut.

    So you want to accuse Jill Stanek of *knowingly* providing information that would lead to a murder? That appears to be clear in your statement, that “Jill Stanek” was “Only Too Happy to Aid and Abet,” and that is false. That is accusing her of criminal activity. I hope Jill calls her lawyer.

  • invalid-0

    Stanek lied about
    Obama; he won and now
    she lies even more

    • independentminded

      that predicted that while the Republicans and anti-choicers are small in number, that they would become angrier and  more dangerous due to being relegated to the sidelines.  That prediction has come true–with a vengeance.

  • invalid-0

    As Dr. Tiller just proved to his great cost, pro-choice activists tend to be rather fearless.

  • invalid-0

    they took my line breaks
    now it’s not five seven five,
    it’s just seventeen

  • http://theforumblog.wordpress.com invalid-0

    Posting photos of Carhart’s “non-descript building” (AP’s words) incites murder?

    Are you people insane?

    Lumping the majority of Americans who are pro-life in with schizophrenic maniacs who murder will not allow you to regain lost ground in the war over abortion.

    No wonder Roe vs Wade will be overturned within a generation. Their primary supporters are all lunatics!

  • invalid-0

    We will not allow for misogynists to win the culture war. Allowing misogynist anti-choicers to overturne Roe is like us allowing our servicepeople to lose the war against the Taliban and al-Qaida.

  • invalid-0

    Yet some anti-choice activists — even now — seem only too happy to aid and abet the crazy ones who will resort to violence.
    That is not an interrogative. While “seem” may communicate an opinion when taken alone, it does not when it is taken in context. At that point it becomes an assertion.

  • invalid-0

    Do any of you rightwingers complaining here think that if we posted Jill Stanek’s personal info that a deranged liberal would show up at her door with a loaded gun?

  • invalid-0

    This is a false accusation. No one is lumping anything. We’re concerned about the most radical edges of a movement which uses violent rhetoric and provides the extremists all the tools they need to kill the political opposition. These organizations and media provide the rhetorical justification and they provide the logistical support.

    Accusing the rest of us of painting the movement with a broad brush is PROVIDING COVER for the very serious problem of violent extremists carrying out acts that smack of domestic political terrorism.

  • invalid-0

    Except we don’t go assassinating people we disagree with. We don’t lead the deranged and mentally unstable killers right up to the doorstep of those who we would not mourn the loss of.

  • http://theforumblog.wordpress.com invalid-0

    What does Stanek’s personal info have to do with anything?

    I don’t recall her posting any personal information of Carharts on her blog.

    What are you talking about?

  • http://theforumblog.wordpress.com invalid-0

    Roe vs Wade is based on….absolutely nothing. There isn’t a single word in the Constitution that supports the right to abortion (or, for those on the right, that would oppose abortion either).

    The kind of twisting that it takes the left to make that a “constitutional” right – would make any pretzel proud.

    Doesn’t matter anyways – like I said, abortion will be outlawed sooner rather than later. Abortion (the termination of babies, by now scientifically proven) is the slavery issue of the 21st century.

    It’s even following the same pattern of early the 19th century. It won’t last this century, and we’ll be scratching our head by then on how did anyone ever support it.

  • invalid-0

    I am referring to photos and addresses.

  • invalid-0

    Do you think if we posted photos and the address of Stanek that some psycho would show up and shoot her? Or ANY other rightwing leader?

  • invalid-0

    Was not demonized by name night after night on a major liberal news program. There were not websites devoted to demonizing him. His address and picture were not posted online for anti-military lunatics to know where he lived, got his dry cleaning and worshipped at church. His murderer was not part of an organization that obsessed about him night and day. There is not a long list of murders of military recruiters by leftwing organization members, or anyone.

    It is most certainly NOT the same. It is also interesting that for a couple of days the rightwing gets all indignant about bearing any responsibility for Tiller’s murder and then once this happens, turns right around and tries to blame the leftwing, destroying the original argument that FOX News and Operation Rescue cannot be held responsible. You can’t have it both ways.

    • invalid-0

      I wasn’t blaming TV news. I was saying that certain anti-military recruiting organizations have gotten pretty vicious in their portrayal of members of the military, ignoring the fact that many are in the services because they had little alternative choice to go to college. That (and the increasing scrutiny by federal investigators into anti-recruiting orgs nationwide) is what led me to leave the one I was involved in.

  • invalid-0

    And providing cover. You really need to distance yourself from this. When you’re discussing it and find yourself coming to the “BUT…” in your argument, that’s how you know you’re defending it.

  • invalid-0

    By history. If a half dozen or so people have been shot by “fringe” elements of the movement it gives the “peaceful” demonstrators a harassing and menacing threat.

  • http://theforumblog.wordpress.com invalid-0

    You’re getting incoherent and irrational.

    Stanek posted photos of Carhart’s “work” address, visible for all to see, even without posting them on the internet.

    Somehow, the pro-abortion crowd thinks this is an incitement or “aiding and abetting” for schizophrenic psychos to commit murder.

    What does posting Stanek’s PERSONAL information have to do with anything?

  • http://thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com invalid-0

    That’s what Randall Terry said . . . a generation ago.

  • invalid-0

    And if he did, he wouldn’t tell the truth.

    The fact is, pro-choice groups don’t have stalker websites. Pro-life groups do. Pro-life people try to find out every person who has come into contact with their intended targets so that these people can also be the targets of harassment. For example, if you’re a construction company working on a Planned Parenthood building? You’ll get harassed by these intemperate fanatics.

    And, if you go to the websites (oh yes, there’s multiple sites) and look at what they’ve got there, the words and the graphics are absolutely designed to provoke the unstable person into doing what normal, sane people would consider to be unthinkable.

    Let me be clear: I’m a First Amendment fanatic. However, I also believe that with information comes responsibility. If you’re going to post information, up to and including personal addresses, churches attended, stores shopped at, etc. etc., about your targets, then you should and ought to expect that when one of the targets of your ongoing campaigns of harassment is gunned down, that you will be justifiably excoriated and (hopefully) your movement discredited.

    The larger pro-life community has to get used to the fact that it has a subset of terroristic fanatics who are absolutely unwilling to work within the bounds of common decency. These people need to be EXPELLED (or EXCOMMUNICATED, if you like) from the larger movement in order for it to remain viable. Otherwise, there will be people like myself who will continually point out, over and over and over again that pro-life groups cannot have sites like Tiller Watch and then express shock and indignation that someone actually decided to murder George Tiller in cold blood. That path is not open to you.

  • invalid-0

    Roe v Wade was never about abortion. It was about privacy. Don’t comment on Constitutional cases until you understand them.

  • http://thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com invalid-0

    Just as the many of Tiller’s clinic were. Now the drumbeat of rhetoric against Carhart will begin and once again the “pro-Life” movement will have blood on its hands and many more pieces of silver in its coffers.

  • http://theforumblog.wordpress.com invalid-0

    Photos are an incitement? The signs alone advertise that it’s an abortion clinic. And any dufus with a computer can google Carhart’s name and office. Should we shut down the internet too, for listing office addresses?

    Every mainstream pro-life organization condemned this heinous crime, and rightfully so.

    How is it that the pro-life “movement” now has blood on their hands?

  • http://theforumblog.wordpress.com invalid-0

    By your logic, we should shut down every liberal website or blog that proclaimed the US military was responsible for the deaths of Afghani or Iraqi civilians, and result in terrorism.

    Because that’s exactly what this Muslim convert believed when he killed a US soldier on the streets of Arkansas earlier this week.

    By your logic, they think the same, therefore are BOTH responsible, unless the liberals condemn it.

    Like I said—every mainstream pro-life organization condemned this crime.

    You extremists need to tone it down a bit. The pro-abortion cause is waning and like I said in an earlier comment, abortion is headed the way of slavery. Abolition.

  • invalid-0

    Really, come on. There is a difference between Roeder being able to Google and Operation Resuce PROVIDING the information and pictures of where to find this guy. STOP ACTING DUMB.

  • invalid-0

    Our position is CONSISTENT. Murder is WRONG. Murder for political reasons is WRONG. Shooting someone is WRONG.

    And before you even say it, where we do not agree is calling abortion murder. You are the one drowning in the murky waters of ambiguity here. Not me.

  • invalid-0

    Off to spread his false equivalencies and deny defending Roeder elsewhere I guess!

  • http://modifiedlimitedhangout.blogspot.com/ invalid-0

    I saw Dr. Carhart speak at a meeting last month. Good guy. And very courageous. he know just how necessary termination services and family planning are to women’s healthcare. We need a new political movement to support doctors like him and show the domestic terrorists that no bombs or bullets will stop us from helping women live healthier, better lives. They way to do that is to get abortion out of the closet. Talk about it more. Count the number of women you know who have had an abortion. Think about a country in which women can only get an abortion in a secret procedure or in Canada. If more people understood how many American women have had terminations, and what women had to do pre-1973 to get them, we’d have a much stronger movement to back a necessary component of modern healthcare.

  • progo35

    Yes, I do think it’s entirely possible that a "deranged liberal" could go to such a site and then shoot Staneck. There are people of that kind everywhere, in every ideology.  

     

    "Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

    • invalid-0

      Upon reading many faux pro-choice comments about committing acts of violence against anti-abortion activists on this site (some of which thankfully have been removed), I’m convinced that a single-minded, anti-abortion extremist would go so far as to kill a high-profile, anti-abortion activist so that the belief that pro-choice activists are just as violent as right-wing domestic terrorists can be “proved” and advanced. They are just as committed to waging jihad as bin Laden is.

      If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. (Floryrence Kennedy)

      • invalid-0

        You can’t just rewrite motives that don’t fit your narrow interpretation of the world. If someone did that, an investigation would probably find out the reality of why they did what they did.

        Are you a 9-11 truther? You’re using their logic.

    • independentminded

      Since when???

       

      Progo35, that above assumption is not only wrong, but just ludicrous, to boot. 

       


  • invalid-0

    10% of those polled believe abortion should still be illegal even when the mother is going to die and an abortion would save her life. That is an absolutely appalling finding.

    If a little under half of the total of those polled are ‘pro-life’ that means of five pro-life activists, 20%, one out of five would rather see a woman die than see action taken to terminate the pregnancy EVEN WHEN THE FETUS WILL DIE ANYWAY together with its mother. There is an appalling indifference to the value of the woman there – particularly when you consider that approximately 3% of pregnancies are ectopic. There are 6,000,000 pregnancies a year – that’s 180,000 women who would die annually for no sensible reason whatsoever.

    • http://mega-tokyo.blogspot.com/ invalid-0

      As values of a modern society include professional self-realisation and independence, such woman is successful in work, is ambitious and even is arrogant, the woman is persevering, persistent, aspires to growth and development in all.
      After all look, the western civilisation defines value of the woman to that the woman is means of satisfaction of low requirements of the person. Value of the woman is measured in Islam by spiritual beauty and perfection.

  • progo35

    Sorry to disappoint you, Emily, but nothing Scott Roeder wrote on Operation Rescue’s blog indicated that he was thinking of shooting Tiller. Verbally confronting the elders of his church and/or protesting outside the church are both peaceful means of protest. Asking for court date information when Tiller was on trial is also not an indication that he was thinking of shooting Tiller.

    As for showing a picture of Cathart’s abortion clinic, anyone who wants to see that picture can look him up online after reading about him in the newspaper, so Staneck wasn’t including any information that couldn’t be readily accessed via the internet.

    "Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

  • colleen

    There are people of that kind everywhere, in every ideology.  

     And yet there have been over 6,000 CRIMES  ranging from death threats to assault, battery, to arsons and bombings, to acid attacks to 1st degree murder committed by individuals and groups in the anti-abortion movement against pro-choice clinics and individuals and NOT ONE pro-choice crime in response. We’ve never burned your churches, we’ve never assassinated your leadership. We’ve never thown acid in your faces, We’ve never mailed the Catholic Bishops fake anthrax. We’ve done none of these things.

    The only difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8,000 miles.

    Dr Warren Hern, MD

    • invalid-0

      Yes there have been…but I have a feeling that you wouldn’t believe me because the info has been posted on here before. But really, you can’t lump all pro-choice activists together. Some are pretty heinous people who think/say/do awful things to other people.

  • invalid-0

    Why do you people have to twist polls and words to make your point? No one “celebrates” abortions. There are a lot of people who believe in a woman’s right to choose, and they defend that LEGAL right; but it’s disingenuous (yeah, just another day in the office for you folks) to equate that with “celebrating” abortions.

  • invalid-0

    Steve, did you say something about defecation of character?

  • invalid-0

    yet it was decided upon in the 20th century.
    oh, and the supreme court that decided that women have the right to privacy when it comes to abortion – while it’s not black & white which justices are truly “liberal” or “conservative”, it seems most likely the court at the time of the roe v. wade decision was: 3 liberals, 4 conservatives, 2 moderate/centrist. but, what i find most comforting about the roe v. wade decision and something your sort seems completely ignorant of always is that the decision was written by a conservative. yep. a life-long republican wrote that decision – justice blackmun, bless his soul. this is the same staunch conservative who said this about being appointed to the supreme court: “I’m here for the purpose of victory in Vietnam, also I am here for the victory of getting the Bible reading back in the schools and prayer in the schools.”
    so, i wouldn’t be so darned sure in your opinion about roe v. wade, SIR. because the way the average rightwinger may feel about the few bits of the constitution they’ve read has NOTHING to do with how a supreme court justice interprets it. and i do believe a justice has a bit more knowledge than some guy spouting some baseless opinion on a website.

  • emma

    Realistically, John, the US military (and allies) are responsible for killing Iraqi and Afghan civilians. Most of us who are anti-war, however, support prosecuting the leaders responsible for the war, not killing military recruiters.

     

    I’m kinda amused that anti-choicers are feeling the need to try to turn this around to whine about lefties/anti-war activists/pro-choicers. It’s a pretty transparent attempt to deflect from the anti-choice movement’s culpability in Dr Tiller’s death. For that matter, why is it that so many anti-choicers seem to be pro-war? What about the Iraqi and Afghan foetuses who’ve been killed? Do they not count?

  • invalid-0

    Has the FBI been notified of her actions.

  • invalid-0

    Wasn’t Scott Roeder caught with bomb making materials.

    You want to defend a guy caught with a Bomb yet with the help of our legal system manage to have his case thrown out.

    So your defending the White Willie Horton.

    OK.

  • invalid-0

    Jill Stanek is in fact a terrorist for her recent action and should be arrested.

  • http://beddingmattress.blogspot.com invalid-0

    Nice article there. I agree with what John said there tho. Interesting stuff.

  • independentminded

    The fact that a number of the anti-choice people have served time in prison for violence against clinics and other horrible crimes, and the fact that the FBI didn’t prosecute and convict Scoitt Roeder and other people like him, the fact that in some places, police have advocated and abetted illegal and violent behaviour on the part of extremely violent anti-choice people, plus the Catholic Church’s anti-choice stance, plus the fact that the anti-choice movement is always making excuses for the more violent ones in their flanks has set an extremely dangerous precedent and created the atmosphere that made the cold-blooded murder of Dr. George Tiller and other doctors who provided reproductive care, including performing abortions, as well as the killing of clinic workers possible. In fact, many doctors have been terrorized into not performing abortions, period.

  • http://www.spinletslab.com/ invalid-0

    Heyyaa…. jus saw a very same blog somewhere else too !!! guess somebody’s been copyin ur stuff…