BREAKING NEWS: Palin’s Daughter, 17, is Pregnant, Can Anyone Say Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage?


Bristol Palin, the 17 year old unwed daughter of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant. We congratulate the Palins on their expected grandchild, and the fact that their family is in a position to make the choice to keep and support the child, based on access to high-quality reproductive health care and other family resources. Not all Americans are able to make that same choice, and not all 17 year olds are prepared to be mothers. Bristol plans to marry the father of child.

According to the New York Times;

The campaign intends to cast this as the kind of situation that ordinary American families face. The McCain campaign says it was aware of her daughter’s pregnancy before it named her as the running mate on Friday.

 

This is the kind of situation ordinary American families face, which is why comprehensive sexuality education and access to contraception are important. It also underscores why every American family should be able to make the very personal and private decisions that are best for their particular circumstances.

The fact that the campaign knew raises questions about why they waited until today, as Hurricane Gustav hits the Gulf Coast and the GOP convention begins, to announce this. Are they trying to bury the story?

Palin said, "Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we
knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol
faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows that she has our
unconditional love and support." It is great when teens have that love and support, and level of communication with parents, but that is not the case in many families. Palin herself has supported forcing parental notification laws, even in cases where teens may be coming from abusive families, where rape or incest may be involved.

Many people in the progressive sexual and reproductive health community also believe it would be great if teens had the education and tools to prevent these situations, so they don’t have to "grow up faster" than their parents plan. Comprehensive sexuality education and access to contraception can help families better communicate about the realities of teen life today.

According to the Associated Press,

"Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America called
the pregnancy private. ‘It’s a matter that should stay in the family
and they have to work through it together. My prayers go out to them.’"

 

We should all pray that every American family has the same right to privacy when it comes to personal matters, but the problem is that the Christian Coalition and the McCain-Palin GOP platform will strip that right from Americans. Privacy is not something that is only afforded to people who make decisions that the far-right agrees with.

Bristol’s pregnancy seems to support the notion of this Alaska teen’s suggestion that abstinence-only-until-marriage programs like those operating in Alaska, don’t really work.

We were lectured on the dangers of sex, the
emotions, diseases and other problems it created. Horrific pictures of
sexually transmitted diseases were projected onto the white board, with
gristly explanations meant to scare us away from sex.

A
very entertaining lecture by some guest speakers from the federally
funded Let’s Talk program told us that having sex — or really any form
of physical contact, because that leads to intercourse — would make us
unhappy and impure.

All these
efforts to scare us away from sex were mostly laughed at because our
class knew that nothing a teacher can say will make all teens abstain
from sex. At the teacher’s choice, another guest speaker from Planned
Parenthood came and taught us about contraceptive options, as well as
other facts about the subject. This
kind of presentation, however, receives no federal funding, and it was
our teacher’s choice for us to hear it, while every class heard from
Let’s Talk.

The fact that the
federal government funds an abstinence-only education program is
unrealistic and unfair to American teenagers.

"Abstinence
is an important option for teenagers," says Clover Simon, CEO of
Planned Parenthood of Anchorage. "But when you teach abstinence-only,
you leave out that choice that some teenagers will make to be sexually
active."

Preaching abstinence will never create a completely celibate teenage population.

 

At least one Alaska teen has the wisdom to see what actually works to prevent teen pregnancy. Lucky for her, her teacher had the wisdom to bring in a speaker that addressed the realities of life, in addition to the mandated lecture from failed abstinence-only programs.

Sarah Palin in her race for Governor said she supports abstinence-only programs. Twenty-five of her fellow Governors have rejected federal abstinence-only-until-marriage programs, but John McCain says he supports the Bush policies when it comes to wasting more than one billion federal tax dollars on failed abstinence-only programs.

 

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  • invalid-0

    Where is the thought that a “pro-family” candidate is throwing her own family under a bus? She has a newborn that needs SO much love, help, and attention; yet she runs. She has a 17 year old who is pregnant, knows the entire country will now be judging her daughter, and still runs.

    Where I come from, this isn’t pro-family. It’s selfish.

    What does this say about Palin’s judgement and abilities, she is not even raising her own family, she has “farmed out” her children to friends and relatives so that she and her husband’s careers are unfettered, what kind of mother does this?

  • invalid-0

    I am saddened for the family as they come to terms with this life changing situation. However, I believe that this will cause each of us to assess our beliefs and come to a determination of how we will react to this news as we select a president to lead our country.

  • invalid-0

    You’re just pissed off about the money your pals at Planned Parenthood could have made executing both baby Trig and Bristol’s child. Generally speaking its best to encourage kids to delay sexual activity until they are at least independant. I’m sure the Palin’s tried that with Bristol. Kids don’t always listen and this one and her fiance are going to have to grow up fast now, but they’re obviously doing the best they can. They’re taking responsibility for their actions and have the support of their families. Best of luck to them all McCain/Palin ’08!

  • invalid-0

    The problem is, that it to many Evangelical Republicans, having an unplanned-for child, is preferable to using a condom.

    There is no logic in that, just as there is no logic in the teaching of creationism in a science class.

    Evangelicals would prefer that their children, if they commit the “sin” of having premarital sex, would either have a baby, or contract AIDS, rather than using a condom. In this way, they are “paying for their sin.” And you are perfectly right in mentioning that for a well-to-do family, a pregnancy is not a crisis, whereas for a poor or even lower middle class family, it can doom the mother to a lifetime of poverty.

    In such situations as theirs, I thought parents got the “father” to marry as quickly as possible, before the baby starts showing. I can’t figure out why they waited, UNLESS, they thought as being a mere governor, this could all be hidden, whereas now it can’t. They don’t really need to give an explanation, of course, but I just find all this to be curious.

    I’d like a journalist to find out if she was off from school, saying she had “mono.”

    In reality, it doesn’t matter to evangelicals if her kids are all crack users, it is about what she believes in making everyone else do, through legislation.

  • invalid-0

    forcing young people, children really, into marriage when they make a mistake in becoming pregnant isn’t healthy either. no doubt this will unfortunately lead to early divorce for bristol.

    acknowledging the mistake and keeping her baby is one thing, but making it “ok” by forcing marriage is another.

    having access to proper sex education is important. of course schools should promote abstinence, but they need to be realistic and provide proper education about pregnancy, std’s and how teens can protect themselves if they choose to become sexually active.

  • amanda-marcotte

    Even wrongly assuming, as you seem to think, that a non-profit like PP is trying to make money, your comment is an epic failure.   If Bristol’s parents had let her, she could have gotten birth control pills at PP.  If they "make money" at abortion, then why do they do they make most of their money by preventing abortion? 

     

    Personally, I’m mad that the McCain campaign crowed about Bristol’s choice.  They don’t believe she should have one.  To be consistent, they should have bragged about chaining her up so she didn’t have a choice.

  • invalid-0

    The issue for Republicans is that this baby will live. Along with the spectre of gay marriage, these were the two main issues in both Bush elections. Abortion, and gays.

    Are the main issues in our country, compared to the economy, jobs, global warming, the war, pollution, and about two dozen other things? No!

    They are sure about those two things. Many Republicans are sure that gays are responsible for the decline of civilization, and that it would be the worst mistake in the world to allow them to be married. I lived in Colorado Springs, and there, evangelical organizations blamed premarital pregnancy on gays! I am not kidding. They claimed that gays were responsible for degrading the moral fabric of society, and that teens went out and had sex, because of the “anything goes” attitude of gays.

    For Republicans, the answer is always war, if possible. They don’t care about the collateral damage when we are on a mission of idealism. How many innocent families are bombed out of their homes, or lose their lives in the cross fire.

    Look at the reasoning of the poster here who cites that we who want the right to choose, are only interested in the profit by abortion clinics. TOTALLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY.

    That is like saying we want teens who are sexually active, to use condoms, for the profit by condom manufacturers.

  • invalid-0

    Evangelicals would prefer that their children, if they commit the “sin” of having premarital sex, would either have a baby, or contract AIDS, rather than using a condom. In this way, they are “paying for their sin.”

    huh? I’m not an Evangelical but I’m going to take a wild guess, “Anoymous” and say this is bs at the very least. Then another Anoymous says somewhere in these fitty states we have a law that allows parents to “force” marriages on their kids. Scott, please tell me you haven’t been drinking the kool aid so long that you believe things like this.

  • invalid-0

    So I guess that this announcement by the governor herself about her daughter’s pregnancy is supposed to squelch the rumors. But suppose she did originally did cover for her daughter… what is one more lie, and what if — wonders never cease in this case — it turns out that they later allege that this newly reported pregancy ends up in an alleged miscarriage? If that raises any eyebrows it will be after the election in November anyway, right? For me, if the original rumors are credible, this well-timed “announcement” is not evidence either way. In the original rumor, people at the local health center would have had to have been in cahoots with the Governor — and that could still be the case. I’m not saying the rumors are true, only that this announcement has no bearing whatsoever on their plausibility — unless of course you for some reason believe this new “fact” — but then why would you have believed the initial rumor? On the other hand, if they lied then, they are lying now — and the “beauty” of it (for them) is that the truth of this new revelation is unverifiable, unless Bristol, unlike her mother, is actually showing signs of being pregnant.

  • http://www.ravingatheist.com invalid-0

    Relax, Amanda, she’s only five months pregnant. So she’s still got until at least January to make her final decision. What would you advise her?

  • scott-swenson

    Clarem,

    I gave up drinking Kool-Aid when I was a child, the same time I gave up believing that life was comprised of simple choices, or that there was only one way experience life, have faith, and that the choices I made on my path were things I should force on everyone else. Now I drink clear water that allows me to see reality, and thus believe we’re better equipping people with information and education to make wise choices for their lives and circumstances. In that way I believe we honor and respect each individual and the journey they are on, and live into the promise of our democracy that allows for difference of opinion, and that no single belief should be forced on all Americans.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • scott-swenson

    Raving Atheist:

    How interesting that you would bring up abortion to distract the conversation when the topic is failed abstinence-only programs and in fact we’ve all celebrated the fact that the Palin’s actually have a choice to make, regardless of the choice.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • amanda-marcotte

    Good to see that your low opinion of women who have sex doesn’t change even if they behave how you claim you wish they would.  Disgusting way to talk about a teenage girl.  But of course, she lost all her humanity to you first when she was born female and then when she had sex.

     

    I don’t share your low opinion of teenagers or sexually active women.  I think that, given full rights and proper tools, women can be very responsible about their fertility management.  Unfortunately, Palin doesn’t agree and thinks that teenagers should be denied the education about contraception they need so this sort of thing doesn’t happen in the first place.

  • http://www.ravingatheist.com invalid-0

    Scott,
    I was talking about adoption, sheesh. We were discussing her decision to keep the child, weren’t we? Generally that decision is made by the time of birth, but recogizing that some adoptions are delayed until afterwards, I said “at least.” I assumed that adoption was the “choice” you and Amanda were alluding to.
    But now that YOU have raised abortion, why are you insisting that Bristol’s alleged choice is set in stone? Might she not change her mind? If you think she is being unduly pressured or that there are some other factors she might want to consider, why not do a post laying out all your wisdom so that she can make a fully informed choice?

  • invalid-0

    I have never read so much self righteous BS in my life!! You all are saddened, critical and condescending about the happenings in the Palin family. You people make me sick. I was raised that all babies were blessings form GOD. What planet are you people from?? I guess one where nothing like this ever happens as you look down your long long noses at everyone else and criticze..

  • scott-swenson

    Raving,

    Sarah Palin made clear by her statement all the decisions the family has already made. I’ll confine my comments to the relevant issue at hand, the obvious failures of abstinence-only-until-marriage policies promoted by President Bush and the McCain-Palin ticket. I believe American families should be able to make those decisions in private, whatever they decide is best for their family, so I’ll leave the ranting, raving and distracting to you.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • invalid-0

    I thought this lady was the poster woman for Family Values. I think the whole bunch are fake and phony…McCain knew this was BIG and waited until the storm to bring it out. I knew she was a horrible pick based on years experience. Apparently they think we are all fools. more lies and I would suspect we can count on more lies. I now wonder if the first rumor is true….maybe the special needs child is not her child after all. Just another politician trying to get elected!

  • scott-swenson

    I’m not at all critical of the private decisions the Palin family is making and celebrate their decisions. I am critical of the fact that as politicians, McCain-Palin will not provide comprehensive sex-ed to teens even in the face of the obvious failures of abstinence-only, in studies linked in the article above, and in the reality that many American families like the Palins face. I am critical of the fact that the Bush Administration, and one assumes McCain-Palin if elected, are trying to make contraception more difficult to access, and as politicians will not afford other American families the same opportunity to make the best private decisions for their family, as the Palins have done. We should all celebrate the choice the Palins have the right to make and do what is best for them. Politically, I want that right for all American families.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • invalid-0

    Palin has an abstinence only position with respect to sex education being taught in schools. I agree with her, since it should be up to the parents to speak to their children about safe sex, and in the way the parent choses to speak to them. It’s what I did with my daughter.

    None of us except Sarah Palin, her husband and her daughter have any idea if Sarah spoke to her daughter about safe sex or not.

    Teenagers exercise free will and make mistakes. 1/3 of all teenage girls will become pregnant before age 20, and 80% of those are unwanted.

    CDC data, if it shows up: http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/AdolescentReproHealth/

  • http://www.ravingatheist.com invalid-0

    It’s certainly made clear enough from your response that the “choice” you and Amanda meant was the abortion choice, so you, rather than me, introduced the distraction. And now you’ve raised the further concept that the abortion choice should be made by the family rather than the individual woman, and that the choice should be conclusively settled by a clear, public press release from the woman’s mother, rather than by the individual’s ongoing consideration of her ever-evolving circumstances. Isn’t this precisely the situation where the woman needs a “safe space” (unfettered by parental notification or consent laws) to engage in her own journey of self-determination? I thought that through your next few promised posts, this site might become Bristol’s pressure-free haven for the rational consideration of her options.

  • invalid-0

    “I thought this lady was the poster woman for Family Values.”

    This poorly written soap opera is conservative Family Values and, thus, conservative politics in action.
    They’ll show the made-for-TV movie after the 700 Club airs. Wait for the Hot Flashes….

  • invalid-0

    Lol, I guess you didn’t get a proper sex education either. Babies don’t come “form GOD.” You make me sick when you take pride in absolute ignorance!

  • invalid-0

    become pregnant while teenagers does this not suggest to you that many parents are failing to educate their daughters and SONS?

    The fact of the matter is that abstinence only sex education is a joke and does not work unless, of course, your aim is millions of pregnant, unwed teenage girls and a couple of generations of boys who believe taking responsibility for their sexuality is optional. Which is pretty much what you have now.

    Those of us who haven’t raised their daughters and sons to be this irresponsible would like to know why y’all keep insisting that policies which result in the destruction of young lives are somehow superior when they clearly do not work well at all.

  • invalid-0

    caught up
    thank you I think this lady is all caught up and doesnt know just what she is doing . I think she has thrown her daughter under the bus. How long was she going to keep this quiet from the citizens of Alaska. And if she (daughter) is this active now whose to say that she just started it is obvious they have not had that sit down at the dinner table talk about sex. She got a pregnancy now. Maybe there is a cover up of a previous baby and the family had to come forward with it they can’t keep taking on babies as there own. No body is going to believe 2 babies so close together.What will they uncover next.

  • scott-swenson

    While there are many rumors floating around there is no reason to speculate on rumors when the facts of the policies are far more important to focus attention on.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Scott, this article really borders on slander. You actually think that Miss Palin did not want to get pregnant? Who are you? You have absolutely no proof that Miss Palin deviated from her own political beliefs by getting pregnant because she did not practice abstinence until marriage. She could have just as easily wanted to get pregnant and did not think abstinence until marriage right for her. Who are you to deny her that right? Moreover, who are you to question if she denied her own political beliefs? Your credibility has sunk to zero by using Mrs. Palin’s daughter for your political agenda to push contraception. I hope that you can see this. Be the change that you seek. And if you have the nerve to say that you were not intimating that Miss Palin was going against her own personal political view by getting pregnant because she was supposed to be practicing abstinence until marriage, then why use her name in the article’s title to promote abstinence until marriage as a failed ideology? The fact is you do not even know if Miss Palin even intended to practice abstinence until marriage. Why not just tell us again what we already know about her mother without using her daughter to do so? This one is truly a shame.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    I can’t believe Palin is willing to put her family thru this. I know this is politically incorrect, but young children need their mother. It should always be family first! As you grow older, you never say how could I have been more successful, but moreover, you said, I should have spent more time with my family. Nothing is worth throwing away your family values. Children need their parents and as a one time teen mother myself, I know that teens who get pregnant mostly need more time with their parents. I don’t think this is an image young people all around the world need to see. My advice would be: Mrs. Palin raise your children. You will have plenty of time for politics when they are grown.

  • invalid-0

    of course young children “need their mother” but they need their father too. So far, though I haven’t heard anyone argue that Obama should be sitting at home with his kids all day. This baby and his siblings will be just fine, as are the majority of children whose mothers work full time.

  • http://www.ravingatheist.com invalid-0

    BREAKING NEWS: Obama, 17, Took Cocaine, Can Anyone Say Cocaine-Should-Be-Illegal?
    You’re not really serious about this argument, are you, Scott?

  • invalid-0

    Sarah Palin made clear by her statement all the decisions the family has already made.
    Scott, I hate to say it, but Raving (though obviously sarcastic) has a point. The ONLY person whose opinion matters is Bristol, it’s HER body. It is not a FAMILY decision or a COMMITTEE decision or a GOVERNMENT decision. It is a WOMAN’S decision. Nobody can speak for HER or issue statements for her about HER decision.
    In fact in this case the “family” is the problem. There is enormous political pressure on her to carry the fetus to term regardless of what her true wishes may be. She may be forced to abandon schooling and a career just to satisfy her MOTHER’S ambitions. But it’s not too late for her to do what is best for HER.
    So why not reach out to Bristol? This wonderful web site has access to so many prominent people in the reproductive health community. You can offer a friendly, unpressured meeting with a trained Planned Parenthood counselor. And if after all the options are explained to her she wishes to terminate the pregnancy, PP could provide the necessary medical procedure free of charge.
    America has had enough of those who would stigmatize a woman’s true choice. This is a perfect opportunity to show that all choices are equally valid. Wouldn’t it be an amazing, heart-warming sight to see Bristol standing next to Obama at his inauguration wearing an “I Had An Abortion” tee shirt??
    (Sorry, I’m getting all teary-eyed again at the thought)

  • invalid-0

    Dan Quayle was pilloried by the Left for rebuking Murphy Brown, because single motherhood is well and dandy. Bristol Palin is supporting married motherhood. It’s so old-fashioned. It’s so back when people didn’t lock their doors for fear of crime, so back when kids didn’t shoot up schools, so back when we didn’t have hooker clothing for toddler girls, so back when marriage was erotic. Yes, what a shame.

  • invalid-0

    I would love to see the abortion/free sex lobby come to a Muslim neighborhood or Mosque and tell them their abstinence teaching is a failure and they need to embrace reproductive choice. You wouldn’t dare. It won’t be long before you’re outnumbered by cultures who reject your philosophy.

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Interesting point. The very same liberal ideology that embraces multiculturalism can only see that what is bad in its own culture and seeks to change it all while quit possibly losing the very roots that certainly sustain it and this while it is also possibly overrun by cultures that will not compromise their moral traditions and it is neuter to do anything about it because it cannot say anything bad about any other culture but its own and we feel so guilty to be the strongest and better but we cannot say that because we are all supposed to be equal so we castrate ourselves to suit the liberal ideology.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Good use of true liberalism to illustrate that they are not very liberal at all!

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    “People’s families are off limits,” “People’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”

    “I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories” “That shouldn’t be a topic in our politics.”

    Barack Obama

  • scott-swenson

    MB:

    I agree that the decision is Bristol’s but she did not issue the statement, which is what I was referring to, since it was the candidate who issued the statement on behalf of the family. I agree that these are individual private decisions, that families are there to be supportive regardless of the decision, and that what matters most in this discussion is not the Palin family’s private decisions, but the fact that Sarah Palin’s policies would deny other families the right to make the same private decisions that are best for them, and focus on failed abstinence-only programs rather the equipping teens with facts.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • scott-swenson

    Timothy,

    You may speculate all you wish about motive. We cover the news here, and offer perspective on it. This is news, and as much as you might want people just to vote on the awesomeness of Mrs. Palin’s personal story, dude, policies matter. Some of us do this work because we actually believe every American deserves the same rights to make decisions that the individuals within the Palin family have made for themselves.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • scott-swenson

    The issue is not any religion, it is the flawed fundamentalism within all religions that democracy must guard against.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • invalid-0

    The author writes:Clarem, I gave up drinking Kool-Aid when I was a child, the same time I gave up believing that life was comprised of simple choices, or that there was only one way experience life, have faith, and that the choices I made on my path were things I should force on everyone else. Now I drink clear water that allows me to see reality, and thus believe we’re better equipping people with information and education to make wise choices for their lives and circumstances. In that way I believe we honor and respect each individual and the journey they are on, and live into the promise of our democracy that allows for difference of opinion, and that no single belief should be forced on all Americans.
    Isn’t that wonderful how respectful you are of different opinions. My question was “Does that include Evangelicals” or are you going to let someone post that Evangelicals WANT their own sexually active children to die of AIDS. Would you allow someone to say that of a Muslim unchallenged. I doubt it. You’re too progressive to be so bigoted right? If you really are drinking only crystal clear water that allows you to see clearly certainly you agree that generally speaking parents of all faiths love their children, teach them to live within the framework of their own values, recognise kids are human and cherish their lives. Can you at least agree to that?

  • scott-swenson

    Henrietta:

    Interesting, but false comparison. No one is advocating for the legalization of cocaine, but Sarah Palin is arguing that we should teach abstinence-only and if elected, will be in a position to make sure American teens do not have access to comprehensive sex ed or the right to make their own decisions.

    Am I serious about making an argument that we should equip teens with reality-based comprehensive sexuality education? Yes. That we should afford every individual and family the same right to make the decisions best for them? Absolutely. That Sarah Palin’s policies matter, especially to women and men who respect women’s individuality? You bet.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Yes, of course, policies matter. However, Miss Palin is a private citizen. She is not running for anything, nor is she stumping for her mom. Just stick to the issues, bub, as I am sure her mom gives you much to talk about. You have no right to invade Miss Palin’s personal privacy in order to discuss how she may or may not relate to the political issues you desire to discuss. That is not news, and you have NO idea, anyway. That is an invasion of privacy. That is wild speculation. That is using a seventeen-year-old woman for you political ends. If you desire to be a news agency, which you are not anyway, why not just report the news instead of being an opportunist? Just report the news without supplying the connections that can be ripped apart. Can anyone say hypocrisy? Give her the dignity of privacy!

    Timothy+

  • scott-swenson

    Clarem,

    We may be talking past each other, I don’t know anything that I’ve written here that suggests I don’t believe Evangelicals are included in “all people” and I’ve never said anything about anyone wanting the kids to die of anything? Sorry, But I’m missing your point.


    Be the change you seek,

    Scott Swenson, Editor

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Protect against flawed fundamentalism within all religions? A common thread Reveals the Natural Law. Democracy certainly can justify wrong moral behavior just as easily it can sustain proper moral behavior. Off to the polls…

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Invalid analogy. Mrs. Palin is not pregnant! Leave her daughter alone and just discuss her mom’s views. You totally blew it bro. You cannot analogically discuss her daughter as she may or may not personally correspond to her mothers political views.. YOU BLEW IT! Admit it!

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Contraception is responsible for the decline of civilization. Just look at Europe. BTW: the demographics here are quickly catching up.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    What do you care if the McCain camp agreed with Miss Palin? Miss Palin was pregnant long before they were looking at her mother for the VP. She is a big girl. Are you claiming she cannot think for herself? Why don’t YOU allow her the choice she obviously made long before the McCain’s were shouting cock doodle do about it. In any case, why don’t you leave her alone!

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    I’d like to see the quality of life of children enter into this conversation. I’m thinking of the social-emotional family climate a child grows up in, as well as material means. Not all people are ready to be parents when a pregnancy occurs, and children suffer as a result.

    That’s why we need comprehensive sexuality education in our schools and faith communities, as well as policies that support access to a full range of reproductive health care services. I want these things for all persons — teens and adults alike, those of means and those of lower income levels. A just world is one where children are supported before birth…as well as after.

  • invalid-0

    Scott, I know YOU didn’t say anything about parents wanting anyone to die, but one of your earlier posters said exactly that. I think its the ninth message down now starting with Abstenance Only Doesn’t Work. The anonymous poster seems to agree with you in general but his or her comments are so hateful that I think you should adress them and if you don’t agree make that clear.

  • invalid-0

    “She is not running for anything, nor is she stumping for her mom”

    Please stop pretending concern for the daughter.
    Her mother is demonstrating her family values by parading her pregnant 17 year old daughter around with her and publically forcing her to act as a nursemaid for her infant special needs brother. I’ve not seen a photo of this poor young woman in which she does not seem to be on the verge of tears. It’s clear that Mrs Palin is punishing her daughter with public humiliation and also endangering her grandchild by putting her daughter through such stress.

  • invalid-0

    The point of your headline was that Bristol Palin’s supposed failing somehow demonstrates that an abstinence-only education policy is ineffective. That’s exactly like saying Obama’s drug use proves that the criminalization of cocaine is ineffective.

  • invalid-0

    “That’s exactly like saying Obama’s drug use proves that the criminalization of cocaine is ineffective.”

    Only to someone whose logic is as confused and dysfunctional as their views about human sexuality.

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Judgmental. The hypocrisy parade does indeed continue.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    The executive branch of our government cannot legislate anything. No worries.

    Timothy+

    • invalid-0

      its lucky that if she’s VP, she’ll be the head of the Senate then, which… oh yeah, legislates…

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    How in the world do you know that she is being forced into marriage? Who are you?

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    You think that an evangelical mother would desire to have her child contract HIV to atone for the sin of fornication? THAT IS REALLY SICK — and absolutely wrong, as well. The desrire to have a child catch a life-threatening virus is an objectively worse sin than the daughter fornicating. If you desire edification…I think Scott should disclose your URL and possibly report you to the Secret Service.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Scott, I totally agree with what you’re getting at, however, I am still a little concerned with the family-vs-individual decision problem. I won’t repeat what I said above on detail but suffice it to say that the circumstances suggest that a sharp distinction might be drawn between “Bristol’s decision” and what you call the “Palin family’s private decision.” We would be more than wary if a husband stood out in front of his house to issue a “statement” on behalf of his wife about her (or the “family’s”) abortion decision. With a minor involved the pressure is even worse.
    If fact, if you are right about the effects of abstinence-only policies then it is almost a certainty that Bristol has been misled. That is the only reason I suggested a reach-out — she has been deprived of the information she needs to make the choice, and possibly access to services to effect her choice. Instead of this being a story about how the candidate’s policies failed her own daughter, it could be one about how pro-choice policies saved her.
    Obviously the time frame for our intervention is short and access to Bristol would be difficult. But the wonder of the Internet is how online “buzz” can turn into a tidal wave that penetrates the public consciousness and can reach anyone no matter where or who they are. Bristol could break away just like VP Cheney’s daughter. And she could make statements about more than just the abstinence issue. Like (and here’s another tee shirt idea!) she could wear a shirt saying “I aborted the Vice President’s POTENTIAL grandchild, and improved my REAL life.”
    Hey maybe publicity-wise a tee shirt slogan contest for Bristol might be the best way to go — what does everyone else think?

  • invalid-0

    At least I’m not embarassing myself as you did upthread when you held contraceptives responsible for the destruction of western civilization.
    Mrs Palin is clearly punishing her daughter. I’m quite certain that she would have her in stocks if she could and equally sure that nasty little men like you would stand there jeering at her

  • invalid-0

    “Bristol Palin is supporting married motherhood.”

    Bristol Palin is 17, pregnant and unmarried and is being drug around the country like an Evangelical prop and unpaid nursemaid for her dreadful mother’s special needs child. The father of her child is quoted as being a guy who says he’s “in a relationship” but “does not want children”.
    Saying that she “is supporting married motherhood” is a disgusting lie. She’s just a kid and has not even finished High School.

  • invalid-0

    “It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”

    McCain’s selection of this monumentally unqualifed and unvetted woman says something about his judgement just as Mrs Palin’s decision to use her pregnant 17 year old unmarried daughter as a prop and unpaid nursemaid in her campaign says a great deal about the sort of person she is and none of what any of this says is complimentary.
    Besides a guy such as yourself, a guy who holds contraceptives responsible for the destruction of Western Civilization is NOT going to be recognised as someone with particularly good judgement himself.
    I’m pleased to report that Obama is up 8 in the polls…

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,
    HELLO? These are the messiah’s Obama’s words you quote back to ME? So, you are wrong. Keep coming. Btw: Europe’s population is expected to decrease from 728 million to 658 million, due to declining birth rates. All European nations are experiencing long-term downtrends in fertility while eastern immigrants are simultaneously flooding the continent and these easterners generally do not use contraception. These demographic trends are sure to have damaging consequences for European economies and the world’s. Hence, Western Civilization is in the process of what economists, et al, call an IMPLOSION, if you like that word better than destruction. There is a direct correlation between chemical contraception and the downtrend in fertility in Europe. But you are free to do the research. Fertility rates are lowering here too. Get it? Without western people there is no western civilization.
    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    “So, you are wrong”

    I understand that the spectacle delights men like you but the rest of us are disgusted to see social conservatives use a young girl in this manner this disgust is being reflected in the polls. It’s quite apparent that this dreadful woman is punishing her daughter and her grandchild.

    Oh, and a decline in birth rate does NOT equal the destruction of Western Civilization, particularly in a nation like the US where so many men refuse to support the children they’re responsible for bringing into the world.
    Were you aware that only 6% of the American people share your view of contraceptives and that most of those 6% are men?

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    I guess she is just not capable of thinking for herself and making a choice, a choice made long before Mr. McCain ever approach her mother for VP. How dare you think that your fellow woman cannot make a choice for herself! Who do you think you are? JUDGEMENT! You do seem confused, though. The fact that some men are not taking care of their children is an indicator of the implosion not a refutation of its existence. GOOD NIGHT COLLEEN.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    All the way to the White House!

  • invalid-0

    Colleen,
    It is a moot point to argue with some of these bloggers!Please enjoy the article posted below.
    “The dumber we are, the more likely we are to vote Republican. That’s a fact. Indisputable and irrefutable. Ok, Im being deliberately provocative and I fully recognize that the country has many, many smart Republicans. But the figures don’t lie – voters in blue states (2004 Presidential election) are on the whole smarter than voters in red states. So I pose the question at the end of this analysis: why?” (Thinkliberal).

    “The following chart is derived from the 2004 Census Report On Educational Attainment. The full report, from which I stripped this data, is here. I added to that report the way the state voted in the Presidential election of 2004, and I then calculated the number of people per state with the level of education specified. (This information came from the 2004 Census – I divided the over-25 population in each state by the percentage of graduates to come up with the numbers”(Thinkliberal).

    Reference:

    Education: Kryptonite to Republicans?. Retrieved on September 2, 2008 from http://http://www.thinkingliberal.com/the_free_radical/2007/06/education_krypt.html

  • invalid-0

    I’ve had just about enough of your ridiculous argument that contraception is a danger to western civilization. I know all about the fertility figures, but they do not support your conclusions.

    First, it should be obvious to any thinking person that a continuous population growth race cannot be sustainable. Resources are limited. You may argue about where exactly their limits lie, but you cannot deny that they are limited and that makes continuous growth a losing long-term strategy. Therefore, even if a fertility differential between recent immigrants and native-born westerners is a problem, a population growth arms race is demonstrably not the answer.

    Second, have I been on hallucinogens for most of the past decade or isn’t the current occupant of the White House a native-born American? In fact, I seem to remember something about that in the constitution. When I turn on the TV and watch the Republican National Convention, I see more “stereotypical westerners”. Yet, these are the very people who brought us warrantless wiretapping, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, attacks on contraceptive access, and the injection of religious authoritarianism into government. They have given us extraodinary rendition, suppression of scientific findings in favour of ideology, and cowboy diplomacy. If you want to see who’s standing against the core values of western society, look in the mirror.

    You would think a decent values system, one that produces a demonstrably high quality of life, should be saleable to adults, whatever their nation of origin, rather than relying on the indoctrination of young children. Are you afraid you are not in the possession of such a system?

  • invalid-0

    I’m not even mildly confused, Tim, it’s just that real women don’t fit inside the your pathetic, postage stamp world view.

    You believe that Bristol Palin choose the sort of life she’s being forced to live now?

    And, of course, you stand like a little overwhelmed boy rather than a man when it comes to men taking responsibility for unwanted pregnancy.

  • invalid-0

    Democracy certainly can justify wrong moral behavior just as easily it can sustain proper moral behavior

    The same is true, I might add, of religion – or have you forgotten September 11th? Or maybe the bombers at the Atlanta Olympics? The Phelps clan?

  • invalid-0

    Also, I would just like to point out two more things:

    1. Your screeching is exactly the same hysteria that was levelled against Irish immigrants to the U.S. in the 19th century. Those fears, of course, proved to be unfounded.

    2. If you’re worried about a perceived decline in Western society, perhaps you could explain how large population growth would address the problem of our wholesale transfer of wealth to nations with distinctly anti-western values (i.e. Middle-Eastern theocracies and Communist China)?

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,
    I agree. However, that is not a refutation of the Natural Law, but thank you for agreeing that a democracy is only as good or bad as its people determine.

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,
    I never suggested a population growth race. However, I will now suggest that Westerners implement policies to SUSTAIN their growth rates, as such rates are indisputably the fundamental factor for the advantageous results of a particular peoples continuing existence.

    As far as standing against the core values of America, well that’s my point of alerting you to how those core vales correspond to the negative growth rate in European countries and projected to be in America
    Timothy+

    The Irish are Westerners. So, that was racism levied against them, which has not a thing to do with what negative population growth means to a culture, especially when the Irish belong to it, as do the Mexicans. None of that matters… Different ‘screechers’.

    As far as your last point, I have now made clear that the way to offset negative population growth is with sustainable growth. The redistribution of wealth is horrible and is actually a democrat or liberal idea. So, I am not to sure where your going here, but such a construct favors the globalist, supra-national vision of society that also favors the homogenization of cultures around the world for the sake of concentrated economic power and wealth not racial harmony. This particular ideology is against any vision of cultivating sustainable, culturally strong, local and regional societies according to good principles of subsidiarity

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,
    I never suggested a population growth race. However, I will now suggest that Westerners implement policies to SUSTAIN their growth rates, as such rates are indisputably the fundamental factor for the advantageous results of a particular peoples continuing existence.

    As far as standing against the core values of America, well that’s my point of alerting you to how those core vales correspond to the negative growth rate in European countries and thier projections for America.

    The Irish are Westerners. So, that was racism against them, which has not a thing to do with what negative population growth means to a culture, especially when the Irish belong to it, as do the Mexicans. None of that matters… Different ‘screechers’.

    As far as your last point, I have now made clear that the way to offset negative population growth is with sustainable growth. The redistribution of wealth is horrible and is actually a democrat or liberal idea. So, I am not to sure where your going here, but such a construct favors the globalist, supra-national vision of society that also favors the homogenization of cultures around the world for the sake of concentrated economic power and wealth not racial harmony. This particular ideology is against any vision of cultivating sustainable, culturally strong, local and regional societies, independent of any consideration of thier size, according to good principles of subsidiarity.
    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Where does a girl-in-trouble, living in the middle-of-nowhere in a big state-of-nothing on the edge of the Globally-warmed-abyss go to get an abortion? How far away is it from her ab-only high school, can it be reached by road, how long would it take, what’s the gas expense? I’m guessing we’re talking a grand easy just to get in the door, assuming there is one abortion clinic in Alaska, and if not there, Canada? Is there a risk of prosecution should an adult transport aforementioned g-i-t across state (which in Alaska’s case automatically means national borders) lines regardless of knowing a 17-year-old’s intent? Also, when does Bristol turn 18?

    Global warming notwithstanding, this American tragedy is a snowball still near the top of Mt. McKinley. Everything is still in motion and that young woman’s future troubles are going to make Casey Anthony’s legal problems seem like a cake-walk! She needs serious intervention to protect her from not one but two PINS and half the National GOP, not to mention Mr. Johnston who has stated on MySpace he doesn’t want kids.

  • invalid-0

    Thanks for your excellent, well-reasoned article, Scott. The contrast between Sarah Palin’s support of abstinence-only-until-marriage programming and her daughter’s pregnancy provides a quick and unhappy lesson about the differences between what some adults may want to foist on teens and what teens really need to know in order to make smart and healthy choices. We’d all prefer to lower the number of unintended pregnancies, but those of us who support comprehensive sex education, which stresses waiting but also includes accurate information about contraception and how to use, and the ab-only folks is vast–and the lives and health of teens are at stake.

    Life does not “happen” (per one McCain spokesperson) and pregnancy is not inevitable. It’s a shame that no one appears to have given Palin’s daughter that information.

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    As Timothy condescendingly says: a proponent of state intervention over parental rights…

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Why is not a baby a smart and healthy choice? You need to respect a parents right to raise their children the way they see fit and stop telling them that they have to do things the way you say they should be done. Man oh man…do you see the hypocrisy around here…
    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    As an Alaskan family nurse practitioner who lives in a remote location off of the road system I can answer some of those questions. Her HS is on a very good road system, she would have access to a variety of clinics, including two Planned Parenthood offices, one in Fairbanks & one in Anchorage (Anch being closer). Neither PP does abortions, but there are a few AB providers in the Anch area, mostly early term. I have sent several teens to Seattle for AB, (I live relatively equidistant from Seat & Anch). Gas here is $4.69, not sure what it is in the Wasilla area. Palin is a supporter of parental notification, so not sure what could be done without parents being told, not sure of the age limit. Another reason I use Seattle.
    And just to put it out there – have always been an Obama supporter, but Palin’s aappointment really steamed me! So many things but especially her stand on abstinence-only education, which is now biting her on the butt.
    Another proud Alaskan woman for Obama/Biden!

  • invalid-0

    How do you know that she is not being coerced in to an early marriage at such a young age? Maybe Pain shoud have insisted that Bristol join the rest of the family when they moved to Juneau two years ago. I think Palin’s political ambitions have compromised her family. Palin shoud have spent more time parenting and less time in politics. It is a choice to have a large family as it is a choice to run for public office. Oh, by the way, she did have a choice to work or not. Her husband has been working for BP on the slope for 20 years….good pay up there.

  • invalid-0

    I am glad the Palin family had a chance to set the record straight and express their love for their teenage daughter. I am sick of all your liberal bias. Some of you may know that Bristol will tour extensively this fall in support of the McCain/Palin ticket. The pregnant daughter will be part of a new female vocal trio, singing traditional American music emphasizing Republican family values. The other members of the trio are Jaime Lynn and Britney Spears

  • invalid-0

    YOU HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS, THE MAJORITY OF THE POSTINGS ON EACH OF THESE BLOGS ARE FROM YOU!

    YOU REALLY NEED TO STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND GET A LIFE!

  • invalid-0

    If Bristol Palin had access to birth control, this would never have been an issue. Apparently the Palins didn’t teach abstinence to their daughter, or she, like many other teens, laughed it off and did what they would at that age. It cracks me up that they talk of McCain shaking the father’s (of the teen pregnancy) hand, congratulating him. All for show. Had they have not been in the spotlight as part of the family of a vice-presidential candidate, I’m sure this boy would have gotten a whipping.

  • sayna

    Palin has an abstinence only position with respect to sex education being taught in schools. I agree with her, since it should be up to the parents to speak to their children about safe sex, and in the way the parent choses to speak to them. It’s what I did with my daughter.

    That philosophy sounds good on paper, but what about parents who choose NOT to speak to their daughters about safe sex? What about parents who choose to lie to their daughters about sex? What about parents who choose to make their daughters feel ashamed and frightened of their sexuality? Or, in worse scenarios, what about sexually abusive parents who choose to teach their daughters that being molested or raped is normal? Or who choose to teach their daughters to stay away from sex by abusing them for any real or perceived sexual activity?

    Like you said, “teenagers excercise free will and make mistakes.” And your statistics on unwanted teen pregnancy sound accurate as well. If there are such high risks that come from allowing parents to miseducate or not educate their children about sex, who do you justify allowing them to do so? Doesn’t a teen’s right to accurate and comprehensive information about their body and their sexuality override a parents’ right to control what they learn? Does a child’s mind, body, and sexual identity belong to the child, or is it parental property?

  • invalid-0

    I never suggested a population growth race. However, I will now suggest that Westerners implement policies to SUSTAIN their growth rates

    If the “others” you are so afraid of, however, continue to have a higher growth rate, then your complaint has not been addressed.

    as such rates are indisputably the fundamental factor for the advantageous results of a particular peoples continuing existence.

    I can and do dispute this. You have never substantiated this claim in any way. In fact, it is mathematically self-contradictory. Continuous growth cannot be sustained indefinitely.

    As far as standing against the core values of America, well that’s my point of alerting you to how those core vales correspond to the negative growth rate in European countries and thier projections for America.

    I think you missed my point. Growth is not an end in itself. If negative growth is associated with liberty, equality, literacy, rule of law, etc. while high population growth is associated with totalitarianism, oppression, and misery… why are you pushing for positive growth? Are you hoping to create a western misery to compete with Islamist or Communist misery? My point is that there’s no point in trying to rescue western civilization by jettisonning everything that makes it worthwhile.

    The Irish are Westerners. So, that was racism against them, which has not a thing to do with what negative population growth means to a culture, especially when the Irish belong to it, as do the Mexicans. None of that matters… Different ‘screechers’

    It doesn’t matter whether you classify them as “westerners” or not. The arguments used against them are exactly the same, only the designated “in” and “out” groups are different. Both suffer the same flaws.

    As far as your last point, I have now made clear that the way to offset negative population growth is with sustainable growth.

    Sustainable growth requires reliable birth control. QED.

    The redistribution of wealth is horrible and is actually a democrat or liberal idea.

    Sorry, simple free market economics. You can’t lay that at the feet of democrats.

    So, I am not to sure where your going here, but such a construct favors the globalist, supra-national vision of society that also favors the homogenization of cultures around the world for the sake of concentrated economic power and wealth not racial harmony.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. It seems like you’re making things up. Sustainable development (including birth control) does not require homogenization, does not require global government, does not require the concentration of wealth; it doesn’t even require the existence of other cultures.

    This particular ideology is against any vision of cultivating sustainable, culturally strong, local and regional societies, independent of any consideration of thier size, according to good principles of subsidiarity.

    This “ideology” is entirely a construct of your mind. I have no idea where you’re pulling this stuff from.

    Now, explain how you achieve sustainable growth without birth control and then you might be taken seriously.

  • invalid-0

    However, that is not a refutation of the Natural Law

    Once cannot refute what have never been coherent. Such things deserve only ridicule.

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    You have research to do first, bub. “I have no idea what you’re talking about. It seems like you’re making things up.” Start with the post’s title.
    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Yes, the comprehension of the concept of Natural Law is philosophically deducible, a self-supporting principle, but we are realizing to what a large extent this comprehension stands or falls with belief in the one God.

    Timothy+

  • http://www.alittleredhen.com invalid-0

    Thanks, Scott, for always including this important statement in your responses. Impressed by your patience.

    Don’t have time to read all these comments–and some are so very long–because out there doing Voter Registration, or talking to folks about Obama. Doing feminism.

    Yours, Naomi
    http://www.alittleredhen.com
    http://www.KnitaCondomAmulet.com

  • invalid-0

    I was referring to an ideological position that you imputed to me. This imputation has no basis whatsoever in my posts, and this ideology is completely your own invention.

    It’s not a matter of research, it’s a simple matter of a straw man fallacy.

  • invalid-0

    Yes, the comprehension of the concept of Natural Law is philosophically deducible, a self-supporting principle, but we are realizing to what a large extent this comprehension stands or falls with belief in the one God.

    That’s an internal contradiction. For a proposition to be self-supporting and deducible, it must not stand on a belief in God. Internal contradiction is the very essence of incoherence.

  • harry834

    you seem quite angry and frazzled.

    Don’t you think that regardless of our views on abortion, that people should have ALL tools and information on how to prevent unintended pregnancy? Clearly everyone wants to be able to avoid pregnancy unless they want kids. That’s why we advocate for more than "just say no", because we have other options and no one wants to be forced into celebacy or marriage.

    It would seem that you support individual choice against goverment intrusion. Shouldn’t that stance require that you OPPOSE a government education program that demands "celebacy or marriage"?

    Do you really want the government telling you when to have sex?

  • harry834

    it seems that those who oppose abortion should embrace and advocate for contraception.

    Simple math: contraception allows those who have sex to avoid pregnancies they don’t want. No unwanted pregnancies, no abortions.

    Everyone wins, right?

  • invalid-0

    Where was Mr./Mrs. Palin when her daughter Bristol was partying with her friends?

    http://www.stupidsheeple.com/index.php/2008090140/latest/bristol-palin-gone-wild.html

    WHITE+TRASH=REPUBLICANS

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    From whom or what do you think the Natural Law is deducible, a priori, if not God?
    We are not discussing induction, which would relate to those principles gained through the senses and not through thought, like they are in ontology. Also, my sentence is not a proposition. It merely states that there is something that exists and that the proof for this existence must be conceptualized. I never tried to prove the concept to you, which would then require a set of propositions that you could classify as valid or invalid depending on the coherency of their inference. This is a simple sentence(s) that is more properly defined as having a single premise, but it is not even that because I never endeavored to prove anything to you. I only stated the condition of the belief in the Natural Law.

    Good day,

    Timothy+

  • invalid-0

    Greetings,

    Yes, I am suspecting that I do not understand you. Mea culpa. But what I was asking you to research, by referencing my post’s title, is the Principle of subsidiarity, which is not an ideology that is a construct of my own inventions. Moreover, this is the principle that I used to defend your reservations about my position. I asked you to look into it. So, this is where the discussion left off from my recollection.

    Timothy+.

  • invalid-0

    Risible…not the pictures…you…for thinking them real.

    Timothyz+

  • invalid-0

    As I had thought, the realistic option for Bristol Palin to obtain an abortion doesn’t exist without some serious cash. Think of Alaska as a place where just about everyone knows every politician and immediate family and you will quickly see how hesitant abortion providers would treat the governor’s daughter, even if parental notification wasn’t law. Seattle would be the only real haven of choice – over 1000 miles away. Bristol using commercial transport without parental permission would also be quashed because too many Alaskans know this girl, thanks to her mother’s outrageous behavior before her daughter got pregnant. Private air carrier with confidential treatment is the only way for her to get to Seattle and she’d still have to explain her absence as I can’t see this being done in less than 24-hours (is there a waiting period in Seattle?). I thought $1,000 might get the job done, now I’m thinking more like 10-grand.

    In conclusion, Sarah Palin’s proclamation that her daughter decided to give birth is a bald-faced LIE! This child never had a choice to make and her trashy self-indulgent parents will assure she never has a chance!

    I hope the tabloids are ready to pay top-dollar for all the Palin dirt waiting for exposure to the midnight sun. I also look forward to see Johnston on “Maury” demanding a paternity test.

  • invalid-0

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  • invalid-0

    Timothy,
    You try to use “big words” in your responses but the fact is that 95% of your responses are plagiarized. I took the liberty of running them through a plagiarism checker.
    With that said, your words are not your own. I also do not think that you should be telling us we should or should not do in the United States since you are clearly from Europe.
    I would not presume to tell you how Gordon Blair should be running your country.
    I think that you should stick with the dealings of your own Country, and let us Americans make decisions/comments about our own.

  • invalid-0

    Exactly, Christopher, exactly! Bristol’s situation is a CLASSIC case of forced childbirth. But as I said before, it’s not too late for the RH community to act and remedy this injustice.
    Bristol is only five months pregnant. She does not need to invoke a health exception to obtain an abortion, but would qualify anyway due to do the enormous mental strain the publicity must be causing her. We can harness that publicity in a positive way by letting her know that RH Reality Check readers are willing to pay for her transportation and medical care. All it would take would be ONE post from any of the many fine columnists at this blog — the word would spread through wildfire through the blogsphere and likely hit the MSM within 24 hours.
    The added bonus would be that the McCain campaign would be effectively over. With Bristol flown from the nest, the Palin’s “American family” charade would collapse. McCain would have to immediately dump her from the ticket, leaving his campaign in shambles and his pretense to good judgment exposed as a sham. And Bristol could proudly stand next to Obama at the inauguration with a tee shirt declaring “I aborted the FORMER Vice Presidential Candidate’s POTENTIAL grandchild, and improved my REAL life.”

  • invalid-0

    I understand what the principle of subsidiarity is. Now, I am not going to do your arguing for you. If you have a coherent explanation as to how we can achieve sustainable growth without widespread use of reliable birth control, I invite you to make it. If you can demonstrate that continuous growth of a specific sub-population is indeed necessary to a civilization’s well-being, then present such an argument. Your arguments may use the principle of subsidiarity, the principal on your mortgage, or even Victoria Principal for all I care. However, throwing out some jargon and demanding I research it is not an argument.

  • invalid-0

    I meant to say Prime Minister Gordon Brown

  • invalid-0

    If you are not discussing induction, then where does “a common thread reveals the Natural Law” come from? That sounds like an inductive claim to me.

    From whom or what do you think the Natural Law is deducible, a priori, if not God?

    I thought you said it was self-supporting?

    To say Natural Law is deducible from God is no more useful than to say that unicorn horns are deducible from unicorns.

  • invalid-0

    If Natural Law is deducible from God, then do all philosophers who believe in a God deduce the same understanding of Natural Law?

  • invalid-0

    Don’t know if it’s possible. There may be legal boundaries as a flight from Alaska to Seattle means travelling over international waters or Canada, either case meaning the (in)Justice Department could do the usual legal gymnastics to prevent such a trip. One idea I have is to track Palin’s movements and have counterdemonstrators hold up signs showing where Bristol could get her abortion all-expenses paid. (do it now before mommy takes the oath in January).

    One other possibility is a ballsy foreign tab doing the legal math and approaching Bristol with an offer she shouldn’t refuse. Might be counterproductive to the cause, but she’d be a free woman.

    As for me, I intend to keep choice a front-and-center issue. My Democratic candidate for a House seat up-for-grabs has his first debate on Wednesday, so I will offer his wonks some ideas and this sight, of course. For all I know, the young vols I see on the computers at HQ every time I’m there are already on top of this and scrutinizing this site.

  • invalid-0

    “She does not need to invoke a health exception to obtain an abortion, but would qualify anyway due to do the enormous mental strain the publicity must be causing her.”

    Isn’t there a prohibition against bearing false witness in your Bible? Because seriously, you people don’t seem to be able to open your mouths or write anything without misrepresentations and lies.

  • invalid-0

    Who said anything about consulting a bible, Timothy?

  • invalid-0

    “There may be legal boundaries as a flight from Alaska to Seattle means travelling over international waters or Canada”

    It means traveling over state lines and she is a minor. Also, she’s 5 months pregnant which is way too late for an abortion. How are those legal boundaries? Likewise you do not know that she wants an abortion or what she wants.
    Whatever are you thinking?

  • http://realchoice.blogspot.com invalid-0

    Just go to the phone book in any major city in the US, or go to the National Abortion Federation web site, or Abortion Clinics Online. Five months is 20 weeks. There are no restrictions on the reasons for abortions in any state until after 24 or 26 weeks (depending on the state). So MB has over a month to make her arrangements to shanghai Bristol and snuff the Palin grandchild.

    And even after six months, George Tiller in Kansas would be able to do an abortion on “mental health” grounds. A shrink who reviewed the records subpoenaed by Kline found that fear of missing a concert was sufficient “mental health” grounds for Tiller to go ahead with a third-trimester abortion. He has friends who (for a fee, of course — the woman writes a separate check) rubber-stamps all the abortions as “medically necessary” to meet the letter of the law.

  • sayna

    I’m pretty sure those aren’t the kind of restrictions they’re talking about. You see, Bristol Palin is a minor. In many states, minor cannot obtain an abortion without parental consent or notification. If Alaska has parental consent laws, she would not be able to get an abortion because her mother would not allow it. If Alaska has parental notification laws, she would not be able to get an abortion until a while after her mother was informed and since Mrs. Palin is against abortion and her daughter is a minor, she could forbid her to get one and even use force to keep her from getting one. Even if Alaska doesn’t have these laws, the young Ms. Palin would have a lot of trouble scheduling and transporting herself to obtain an abortion without her mother knowing.

  • invalid-0

    Sorry you have such a narrow viewpoint of this world….what saddens me are so many babies are born into this world unplanned and in many cases don’t get the best they could have to prepare them for this World…….

    ….What saddens me are the many babies born into this World under conditions far less favorable than this Baby being born into the Palin Family…..

    ….What saddens me are the Unplanned babies born which many times relegates the Mother and Baby to a life of hardships and disappoints……

    ….I believe in planning, this is why the word “Plan” is put in front of the organization….Planned Parenthood !!

  • invalid-0

    Thank you for responding to my post, but I believe one should take “legal boundaries” to mean prohibition from obtaining an abortion (I’m still using Queen’s English, right?). Bring US up to speed on the “reality” of a 17-year-old 5-months pregnant in Alaska obtaining an abortion in Seattle. Assuming most of US reading this have never tried to obtain one for themselves or another, which is why my post’s title is “Would if I could (which includes choice foremost),” please inform the rest of US of all the “legal boundaries” she’d have to cross to do it. 5-months puts her deep in the second trimester, and we are assuming this “fact” presented by the Palin camp is accurate and precise (probably neither: see “…lie so much?”). Both state lines and national lines are crossed when one goes to Seattle from Alaska land-sea-and-air, so what laws at both levels would be broken if the attempt were made? Please itemize as it would prove not that Bristol Palin ever wanted that abortion, which never seemed likely for reasons which might shock you, but that it was never a realistic choice to consider.

    As for whatever I was “thinking,” just because something appears from me or anyone in cyberspace doesn’t automatically make it so. I was introducing a bunch of hypotheticals so Alaska’s next girl-in-trouble has the facts before making a decision. Looks like before having sex Alaska’s minor females should load up on pregnancy testing kits as their geography necessitates the kind of early warning our DEW Line provided in case of nuclear attack from the Cold War Reds. I’m guessing getting EC in AK is out of the question with Sarah at the helm.

    With Sarah Palin’s nomination, we have received a not-so-Distant Early Warning that theocrats want to grab enormous power away from the rest of US to establish a crack-pot empire that makes Hitler’s Germany look sane by comparison. I cannot stress enough the need to respond as “nuclear” as possible by voting on November 4 against McCain-Palin because the GOP column doesn’t just need to be defeated, it needs to know it has FAILED!

    Rather than know, colleen, what you think, I’d prefer to know if you believe the restrictions you’ve listed now (and I hope, in the future) are JUST. To help facilitate a response, I’ll show you mine: any person pregnant should get an abortion anywhere in the world at any time, whenever medical feasible, at no cost and with no questions asked.

    I don’t know what Bristol wants and you don’t know what my daughter may need. I might not be alive should she have an unwanted pregnancy so the best I can do is elect people in the hope they will expand her options in such hypothetic situation(s). I’m always open to better suppliments, anyone can enlighten.

  • invalid-0

    First, this is not an ‘early warning’. We had the early warnings 20 years ago.
    Second, you think that forcing a 17 year old minor you do not know (or, in this case, publically speculating about forcing a minor) to fly out of state for an abortion you don’t know that she wants (and most likely does not) in what we’ve been told is her 5th month of pregnancy is at all helpful? Because you believe (incorrectly because, I believe, you absorbed way too many anti-choice lies) that a late term abortion is easy to obtain?And EC in the 5th month?
    Perhaps I misread what you’re saying. If not, I have to ask, Are you insane??

  • invalid-0

    A more serious question to consider is whether her daughter’s pregnancy began when she was under the age of consent.

    Has anyone addressed this ?

  • invalid-0

    She is 17. The age of consent in Alaska is 16.

  • invalid-0

    EC not at 5 months, EC at the outset. Other posters clearly state 5 months is not too late, but because I reveal my name and male gender you go after me. “Choice is first and foremost” so your accusation of “publically” speculating a forced abortion is another misread and because you misread me twice, how about this possibility: Bristol is pregnant to get away from her controlling mother who has Number One Child watch the other kiddies kind of like “Horton Hatches the Egg.” While that silly-bird Mom carried on in Juneau (pop-quiz: how far is Juneau from Wasilla, for that matter how far is Juneau from “Juno”) accepting money from the same people who got Ted Stevens indicted, who do you think was watching those kids? Daddy? He’s too busy shooting wolf families from helicopters. And what kind of payment do you think the self-indulgent Governor would make for such services (hint: less than Wal-Mart)?
    Wait till the tabloids reveal that girl you want to protect from me (who prefers a more peaceful world for everyone and probably won’t see it “would if I could,” but I can’t so I won’t, as with most of what goes on around me) was saddled with taking extra care of the “special” delivery her Mom revealed to the kids – only after leaving the Room (this tardy revelation is already documented in the national media).
    The girl’s not an elephant, so having a child of her own is a great way to get out of the house, maybe. I’m sure Grandma-to-be knew that and didn’t force a marriage – which has yet to transpire – until the Internet did a full-court press on her. For all we know arrangements have been made with the hockey-pucker’s parents for the family-to-be to move in with the Palins, tying Bristol down even more.
    Remember, Sarah revealed this American tragedy only after the ‘net floated the possibility she faked her own birth to cover for her daughter.
    I really, really hope, colleen, you don’t think I want to have control over females’ lives in the opposite direction that Bible-thumper timothy wants US to go. I prefer incentives over law so if taxes go up should government by the people decide all of its citizens are its responsibility cradle-to-grave, meaning guaranteed healthcare and limitless educational opportunity for ALL, I’m on board! In the end, I hope, colleen, two things as far as we are concerned: that you don’t know me from my college days and that you have had a very good rest so you can carefully read this. btw – I and the rest of the world still wait for that itemization I asked for – not for Bristol but for any future child who may consider getting into sex without realizing how hard it may be for them to get out of an unwanted pregnancy, beginning with the pharmacists in Alaska who refuse to fill EC prescriptions for unprofessional reasons.Please don’t make me your enemy because if you do, timothy wins. That would be another American tragedy.

  • invalid-0

    The funny thing is that contraception/ controlled family planning is pretty much the ticket to a country’s development these days. The facts directly contradict your claim that contraception is responsible for the decline of civilization.

    The most effective way to advance a society is to educate the young women, who in turn delay pregnancy and have fewer children, leading to a more educated and productive society as a whole. This tenet is dominant in all economic and social development theory.

    Birth control = social decline?? Please.

  • http://www.wenalway.com/forum invalid-0

    The recent trend of fools claiming “abstinence-only” education is somehow to blame for teen pregnancies is an unfortunate off-shoot of this dialogue. The people making this claim offer no proof and no tangible connection between the two concepts. Last I checked, journalism was supposed to be about facts, and one side has provided zero to back up its claims. To me, zero facts = zero credibility, yet these people go right on chanting.
    The other laughable part of their claim comes when they make some ad hominem claim like: “I have sex, and I’m monogamous,” as if somehow the accomplishment of connecting a reproductive organ with someone else on a consistent basis makes the person an expert on what national education policy should be.
    Also, a monogamous sexual relationship — even if it were somehow relevant to the shaping of national policy — would be mostly irrelevant to the target audience, which is students in their early teens. Yet this piece of logic manages to slip past the anti-responsibility crowd.
    Finally, these people claim to be “street smart,” yet they are selectively ignorant of the existence of anyone who has dealt with an unintended pregnancy. They also cling to percentages that should raise their awareness of the risk of a life-changing event, but somehow they rationalize these into a belief they’re at no risk at all.
    Anyway, we haven’t addressed the myriad people with these beliefs who simply are not ready for a sexual relationship, but we’ll save that one for another session. Remember, responsibility is the only factual, rational decision here.

  • http://www.gulfcoastcondorentals.net invalid-0

    I watched the interviews on CNN tonight and thought Ms. Palin did more of the same. She also admitted her intentions to run for President in 4 years.