• invalid-0

    WHY? WHY? WHY refuse something like a pap smear? What’s next, refusing general check-ups for women?

  • invalid-0

    One of the great myths sold to women is that they need Pap smears done annually. The American Cancer Society recommends every 3 years for most women.

  • invalid-0

    idyllicmollusk,

    This post was linked to by Lawyers, Guns & Money
    http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/02/expansion-of-religious-exemptions-to.html

    commenters janet and micheyd provide the explanation:

    In this crazy-fundie world, treating an STD (though cervical cancer can, however rarely, develop without sexual contact) provides an “out” for sin – so the doctor believes that he is encouraging/promoting the behavior.

  • invalid-0

    That’s what a Pap smear is designed to detect – either a pre-cancerous stage or the disease.

    I’ll say this – only MEN are damn fool enough to equate a diagnostic procedure with some addled ideas about prudery.

    I’m a man and the son of a physician. My mother – Tulane, Class of 1950. One of two women to graduate from that medical school 58 years ago.

    Idiots and demagogs who hate women are behind this gross attack on women’s health. I’d have the physicians licenses for this abomination, were it in my power.

  • invalid-0

    And I can’t find anything for pap smear that matches any post at her site.

    Can you provide any corroboration for your claim? It would certainly be outrageous if true, but so far, all we seem to have is your foaf claim.

  • http://jemima-aslana.livejournal.com/ invalid-0

    Be it that they need a pap smear once every year or once every three years it won’t really make a difference if there is no doctor to perform it.

  • invalid-0

    I refer you to the above article, in particular this quote:

    “it is actually the doctor’s receptionist who won’t allow her young unmarried friend to make an appointment for a pap smear saying that she is too young and doesn’t need one (she was 19 at the time of the incident).”

    I’ve personally witnessed faith-motivated stupidity with regard to healthcare and sexuality from both sides of the gender divide. I agree that the concept is borne of a fundamental fear and hatred of female sexuality, but that doesn’t mean that only men enforce it.

    As someone who has suffered through cancer myself, if I had been refused a diagnostic procedure on the basis of a doctor’s religious beliefs, I wouldn’t rest until his or her laughable medical career was nothing but a distant memory.

  • http://antichoiceantiawesome.blogspot.com/ invalid-0

    I actually haven’t posted about this on my blog, and that’s why you can’t find it there. It is from the essay that I read at the 20th anniversary celebrations in Ottawa.

  • http://www.vomitcomit.wordpress.com invalid-0

    I live in NB, and I’ve never had any issues, aside from the asinine need for a referal to a gyno and the abortion problem. They have a pap clinic-you just call, and make the appointment. No questions.

    I’m really curious what part of the province she’s in. This place is ass backwards, but it’s been awhile since I’ve had any major issues. (Being denied BC at the Sexual Health Clinc since I was “too old” was my favorite)

  • http://antichoiceantiawesome.blogspot.com/ invalid-0

    Fredericton. Both of the friends of mine that were refused pap smears go to Fredericton doctors.

  • http://www.vomitcomit.wordpress.com invalid-0

    I know I’m not the only woman who would LOVE to know their names.

    I thought it was bad enough here in Moncton…..

  • invalid-0

    These “conscience clauses” are utterly bogus and now the chickens are coming home to roost for the proponants of these wastes of legislative time. When certain doctors try to use their relgious beliefs to deny women a basic cancer diagnostic test,it’s the top of a slippery slope. The next probably step is doctors refusing to treat women belonging to a different Christian denomination, a different religion, or even atheists.

  • invalid-0

    So a doctor should be forced to perform a procedure which he or she genuinely objects to on moral grounds?

    Are we talking about a democracy of free men and women here, or a totalitarian dictatorship?

  • invalid-0

    That’s not the issue here. The issue is with doctors who discriminate against individual patients and refuse care based on personal facts that are entirely irrelevant to the procedure.

  • harry834

    based on "moral" grounds, we essentially have doctors deciding who is and isn't "worthy" of medical treatment,

    doctors turning away patients whom they deem "unworthy"? This is the "free society" your talking about?

    And yes, I agree with Katie. Doctors decisions about treatment should be based on the medical needs of the patent, not the doctor's personal religious or "moral" views.

  • invalid-0

    I’m not from another era, and I remember a day when family doctors and ObGyn’s in Canada performed paps. If a doctor has a moral objection to this, he should find a different specialization. If a vegetarian gets a job at MacDonald’s and decides he doesn’t want to touch meat, he should get a different job.

    Having said that, no doctor other than an abortion doctor should be obligated to perform abortions, but I do believe a referral would be in order.

  • invalid-0

    Have you ever wondered WHY New Brunswick gets away with not covering private clinic abortions with health care dollars? The Canada Health Act stipulates that only services deemed medically necessary are to be covered under our health care. Abortion, hailed as a choice, is just that; a choice. It is not a medically necessary procedure in most cases. While most provinces don’t want to bother with the “fight,” New Brunswick has decided not to back down. They don’t want to fund elective abortion with their tax dollars. And no one says they have to. Remember? There is no abortion law in Canada.

  • invalid-0

    But some day along will come a lawsuit filed because a doctor refused to treat a particular male patient for “moral reasons” (example: a pro life doctor turns away an unmarried man who had a vasectomy, then refuses to refer him to another doctor. Resulting in the patient’s death of cancer not diagnosed in time).
    Just try to imagine the s***storm of media coverage.

  • invalid-0

    You should include the actual text of the conscience clause instead of just vaguely referring to it. The CMA does not govern how doctors practice, in any provice. They are a professional association more akin to a Union. Thus they can’t impose any legal requirement on doctors to make referrals.

    If there exists such a requirement, even if it is not practiced, it would come from the province’s respective self-regulating body, like the Ontario College of Physicians or from a provincial statute.

    Your overarching point is well taken, but I think you need to dig a little deeper.

  • invalid-0

    I’ve often thought that my perfect job is to become a pharmacist and then convert to Christian Science.

    Then I could tell all my customers that I wouldn’t give them any mediceine, but I would pray for them.

    Or maybe a muslim ligour distributor.

    This religious exception thing is nonsense – if your religion prevents you from performing your job, you are morally obligated to get another job, not to refuse to do it.

  • invalid-0

    Simple solution – Object to pap smears? Don’t become a gyno/OB. It’s deranged to go into a profession knowing that your beliefs are antithetical to practices in the spectrum of services, intending to deny care to certain individuals.

  • invalid-0

    We have had this issue crop up out here on the “High Plains” of Saskatchewan where Medicare was first brought into Canada by a frightful bunch of humanist/socialists (And yes we are snobs and are proud about both facts)

    There is a simple response to denial of a right to ones health services [Abortion is such a right]

    Sue the persons who deny you that right be they private citizens, medical practicioners or politiciansSue them … and then have someone else sue them again just for good measure!

  • invalid-0

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  • invalid-0

    My wife missed her yearly pap smear by one year.
    The two year period between tests was enough for her to develop endometrial cancer of the uterus, and for it to take hold.
    The cancer eventually killed her.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • invalid-0

    Hello thordora,

    I live in NB, and I want to have a pap done for the first time. Where is that pap clinic you mentioned? ot their phone number.
    Thanks!

    Adriana

  • invalid-0

    If you could post the text of that essay somewhere, I’d be interested in reading it. As it is, the Reality Check blog is listed as the “source”, and it isn’t.

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